Cost of Ownership - Laser Wire® VS. EL Wire

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7 жыл бұрын

When comparing EL Wire with Laser Wire®, EL seems like it's much cheaper at first glance. However taking a closer look reveals EL Wire actually might be more expensive over time.
If you are interested in purchasing a Laser Wire® kit, please visit the link below:
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Purchase EL Wire below:
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If you want to see a breakdown of the cost, please see the links below to show how the pricing (as of July 2018) was calculated:
EL Wire 50ft KIT (Rated for 4-6k hours)
50ft of EL Wire x $1.35 = $67.50
Jumbo Inverter + AC Adapter = $47.98
Initial TOTAL = $115.48
If you use the kit for 20k hours, or about 4.5 years, the cost of the EL Wire only being replaced is $202.50 extra. In our experience, the Jumbo inverter is not rated to withstand 20k hours, and needs to be replaced every 5-10k hours. This low cost alternative to the MEGA series (Jumbo Inverter) is our best case scenario to give an accurate depiction of both products. If we replace only one for the lifespan we are referring to (20k hours), then it would add $34.99 to the overall cost, putting the current 4.5yr total to: $352.97
The Laser Wire system we do not expect to have to replace over the same period of time, therefore the current pricing as of July 2018 is $335

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@technodaz 6 жыл бұрын

129$ for 5m ....or 5m el wire for 5.49 on ebay .....price is crazy for what it is, absurd.

@valves.mp4 6 жыл бұрын

@EllumiglowPage 6 жыл бұрын

Hi Darren! Though the price difference does seem quite drastic depending on the quality of EL wire (not including battery pack or electronics), we believe what the cost is on the front end, is saved in time on the backend. Early on at Ellumiglow, we've seen and experienced first hand the shortcomings of EL Wire - Laser Wire was released to more or less offer an alterative solution to inherent issues with EL Wire. We've spent too many hours repairing and diagnosing problems with EL Wire and understand it's limitations over our 15 years of combined expereience. These issues especially make themselves apparent when used in applications where there is bending and flexibility (costuming, textiles). Laser Wire is a brighter, more reliable, and durable alternative to EL Wire, and so for the value of time and frustration saved, objectively comes with a higher but still reasonable cost.

@reecegg 4 жыл бұрын

@@EllumiglowPage professional evasion there, so much waffle

@letsgetto1millwithoutvids 3 жыл бұрын

dude they're trying to rip you off all EL wire works on low frequency so you're always going to get that buzz no matter what quality just make your own laser wire there rebranding fibre optic cable with a laser on the end

@letsgetto1millwithoutvids 3 жыл бұрын

@@reecegg yep there ripping people off

@caizza3 6 жыл бұрын

Not commenting on the quality of Laser Wire, but the maths used is so fake :/

@EllumiglowPage 6 жыл бұрын

If you would like to check our math, we've outlined an updated pricing breakdown (along with links) of how we arrived at the costs in the description of this video, however the pricing for the EL Wire solution is actually higher than when the video was originally posted.

@loomx63 4 жыл бұрын

Ellumiglow 15m of EL wire costs less than a 10th of what you say it costs...

@letsgetto1millwithoutvids 3 жыл бұрын

@@EllumiglowPage fibre optic cable and a laser does not cost that much

@letsgetto1millwithoutvids 3 жыл бұрын

@@loomx63 "laser wire" is as cheap there just rebranding cheap fibre optic cable and a laser as laser wire for a rip off

@furysfriend3680 2 жыл бұрын

Shaq math!!!! I called them out on that shit too. I wonder who butters this guy's bread, it's not señor el that's for sure.

@bryanmccool2587 4 жыл бұрын

i purchased 5m of EL wire on aliexpress for less than $5 and it came with the inverter

@dennissocaci6207 4 жыл бұрын

cool but 15m of el wire is like 30-35 bucks...so yea...expensive thing...its a new and better thing but way more expensive

@AzimythicLive 6 жыл бұрын

That converter is overkill for that length of wire. Trying to make it seem to expensive to convince people to buy your more costly system? Also EL wire isn't that expensive, not even on YOUR store. 15 meters (45 feet) of your EL wire is only $45 and the converter (the one in the video) is only $40. Totaling at $80 compared to the price of the Laser Wire in the video, $335, which is the cost of your most expensive laser wire system.

@EllumiglowPage 6 жыл бұрын

Your math is incorrect... As of today, 50ft of EL Wire x $1.35 = $67.50 | Jumbo Inverter + AC Adapter = $47.98 = $115.48 - To say that it is overkill is also an incorrect statement, as the jumbo inverter can power up to 50ft. We could have used as a different example our MEGA100+ EL Wire Inverter which powers up to 100ft of EL Wire, and would be brighter and have the product last a little longer, however the cost would be $222.48 for that kit. The products we used in the video were the most appropriate comparison for a cost analysis of two competing technologies. However if you believe that Laser Wire is too expensive for your application, then that's cool too. Thanks for watching!

@letsgetto1millwithoutvids 3 жыл бұрын

$335 for a bit of fibre optic cable and a laser lmao 😂😂 who is falling for there scams

@QueenRyanKnockedtheFuckOut 3 жыл бұрын

dam, I was thinking more along the lines of $20-40, not 300 lmao

@PantherActual 4 жыл бұрын

Holy markup batman...

@PS_OnYT 2 жыл бұрын

He just wants young buy the most expensive stuff. On amazon it's $9

@joblessalex 6 жыл бұрын

Uuuuuh.... El wire isn't even $50....

@EllumiglowPage 6 жыл бұрын

Hi joblessalex! Thanks for your feedback. At around 0:43 , we mention the components needed for a 50 foot EL Wire system - at 50 feet the cost is going to be a bit above $50 for the wire alone. However EL Wire does often cost less in shorter lengths, specifically in reference to the 6 foot and 15 foot portable, battery-powered EL Wire kits that we sell on our site.

@joblessalex 6 жыл бұрын

Ellumiglow You are right. I got a fairly long segment, but even eBay is turning up over $100 for 50ft. I don't know what I ordered back in the day. Must not have been 50ft.

@Oswee 2 жыл бұрын

I don't get it... so... i want to make wearable. In order to do that i need to cut EL wire in several pieces which will be connected back to single inverter via wearable wires. It could be even different colors. What would be cost of several color Laser Wire setup. Lets say i need 3 separate pieces for single "hoodie/whatever". I think the argument about broken EL replacement cost is absurd. With the same success laser wire could be damaged.

@fffan147 5 жыл бұрын

why are you comparing the two?? This obviously looks like a self servings ad

@EllumiglowPage 5 жыл бұрын

Before you start trolling, understand the context. We sell both products and one of the more common questions OUR customers ask us is to compare the lifetime value of each technology to make an informed decision for their lighting display. We apologize if you did not find value in our video.

@letsgetto1millwithoutvids 3 жыл бұрын

It basically is and there scamming people too

@handover2528 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, we sell both but let me explain in exacting detail why el wire stinks and why you should only buy laser wire.

@Soulspoon1 6 жыл бұрын

This part of the video (2:09) shows the power supply smoking. Did you add an effect?

@EllumiglowPage 6 жыл бұрын

Soulspoon1 yes this was an after effects mod

@Caldoric 3 ай бұрын

You neglected to mention how much replacing a broken laserwire cable would be when comparing at the end.

@NoorquackerInd 4 жыл бұрын

Adafruit's EL wire lasts over 20k hours

@EllumiglowPage 4 жыл бұрын

Noorquacker First of all, no it doesn't. Second, if it did, how does it look at 20k hours? Did you use their inverters? If so, they operate at close to 2000Hz which degrades the phosphor by about 2-3x faster. The phosphor they use has a half life of about 3k hours under normal operation. Which means that the brightness after 3k hours will be half the brightness. So let's call that half-life to 1.5k hours generously. The wire will continue to dim in brightness throughout it's usable lifespan so if it started at 150cd/m, after 1.5k hours it will be 75cd/m, and continue to drop out. If it does happen to reach 20k hours by chance, you might be in the ballpark of 1-2cd/m, which you might be able to tell it's lit by turning it on in a pitch black cave. Laser Wire on the other hand will be roughly 200x-1000x brighter at those same time intervals. Then with EL Wire, you have to replace the whole wire once it goes out or dims to the point that you can't see it. Depending on the application it is used and the installation time required to replace the whole line, it is likely going to be more expensive just replacing the EL Wire due to the additional labor costs and headaches.

@HobkinBoi 5 жыл бұрын

This is more or less just some side glowing fiber optic cable with a laser on the end. Now that I think about it, I could go get a super cheap roll of side glowing fiber optic cable, and then a small low power laser to shine through it. I could even just get away with using LEDs to shine through it, though the brightness might suffer a bit.

@EllumiglowPage 5 жыл бұрын

We would encourage you to buy both products and post a video that showcase the differences between Laser Wire® and ANY plastic optical fiber on the market and let us know if you still feel that way. Laser Wire® is a specialized glass fiber that is extremely thin, flexible, consistent and even brightness among many other qualities. Sure, there are less expensive alternative lighting sources available, but Laser Wire® plays a key role in the market due to its properties that enable it to integrate easily to many objects from aerospace to retail and trade show displays.

@glotrim 2 жыл бұрын

@@EllumiglowPage great answer I suggest you take a look at my company of LED based Flexible glass fiber optic light guide. we brought it to the consumer aftermarket was stuck in auto OEM land for years. it is best in class :)

@h7opolo 4 жыл бұрын

1:59 "undoubtedly", not "undoubtably".

@DanielJutz 5 жыл бұрын

Where is the "skip ad" button?

@tiagooliveira95 5 жыл бұрын

nice

@x9x9x9x9x9 Жыл бұрын

Laserwire seems cool if only there was a cheaper RGB kit. One where you could easily change through colors like RGB LEDs. The other question I have is how easy is it to change the length? EL wire I can cut to any length. Can I do that with laser wire?

@EllumiglowPage Жыл бұрын

Unfortunately, there’s not a less expensive RGB module at the moment. As technology is rapidly changing, that possibility might be there in another year or two. For cutting, the wire can be cut with household scissors, and it will glow to the point where it’s cut. But there is a max length, which for our Pop profile is 5m, or for the accent profile, up to 10m.

@Pwn3dbyth3n00b 3 жыл бұрын

You can get that much el wire with its electronics and wire for like 40 bucks max.

@HogwartsBasement 3 жыл бұрын

Where the hell you buying your EL wire so expensive hahaha go on amazon

@mjyanimations1062 3 жыл бұрын

ngl laserwire is boring. its literally just light diffused through a fiber optic cable. the way el wire works is way more interesting. plus, laserwire fades the longer the cable is. the darker the further away from the light source. no matter how well made the wire is, this problem still persists. el wire has a constant brightness along the wire, no matter how long it is as long as you have a powerful enough inverter.

@edwardlthompson 3 жыл бұрын

How well does the laser wire hold up to outdoor usage?

@EllumiglowPage 3 жыл бұрын

It holds up quite well actually. We typically recommend using our Commercial Grade tubing when using outdoors. The jacketing is more robust and won’t degrade in UV or heat. The laser modules should be kept dry, but the wire itself will work nearly indefinitely.

@edwardlthompson 3 жыл бұрын

@@EllumiglowPage Excellent. Thank you for that quick reply! I will be using you all for a future project I'm planning.

@beergoodg5660 5 жыл бұрын

By láser wire you mean fiber?

@EllumiglowPage 5 жыл бұрын

Hi there! Laser Wire is a type of glass fiber, but we use the term "Laser Wire®" to describe this specific version of this "illumination cable" that uses the glass core as the light-refracting element.

@EllumiglowPage 5 жыл бұрын

Technically you are right. Laser Wire® is an optical glass fiber with a intentionally diffused structure, but Laser Wire® sounds so much cooler... :)

@beergoodg5660 5 жыл бұрын

Ellumiglow by diffused structure you mean cracked fiber? Diffused laser wire does sound cooler.

@LivefreeanddiyTv 6 жыл бұрын

Hey there, in the video the EL wire looks like it has a larger circumference than the laser wire. Does the laser wire come in different circumferences? It seems like the laser wire is 1mm according to your website, I didn't see any size options. Thanks!

@EllumiglowPage 6 жыл бұрын

Live Free and DIY you are correct, the Laser Wire is a 0.9mm DIA and only comes in that diameter. However, we've had a number of customers buy off-the-shelf PE tubing and slide over the wire. This works great for having a larger diffusion area. We are also working on a TiO2 tubing that will diffuse multiple strands of wire inside the tubing. Which is great for color mixing. Feel free to send us an email to info@ellumiglow.com if you need specific help on a project. Thanks!

@jerseyrotaries 4 жыл бұрын

This guy is smoken that gas

@acedia5241 5 жыл бұрын

*caugh* el wires cost a lot less then 113$ you can get 15 m. for 30$ easy

@EllumiglowPage 5 жыл бұрын

They say you get what you pay for. You could find a phone for $30 "easy", but if you want a nice smart phone these days, you'll pay a lot more. We do our best to compare the most applicable products for OUR market, which tends to be people that can appreciate the added quality and are willing to spend the extra money on quality products. But you are right, you can always find something cheaper no matter what you try to compare it to.

@danyo5509 6 жыл бұрын

Could you guys make something to connect it to a car battery or a cigarette lighter? And if so, would that last longer?

@EllumiglowPage 6 жыл бұрын

If you run a quick search on Amazon, you will find a number of 12V to 5V step down converters, for about $7-10. This would allow you to plug the OpalDrive install cable directly to the battery (through the step down converter). This way, you could hook up to a switch or tie to the lights.

@danyo5509 6 жыл бұрын

Ellumiglow would the lights last as long as the battery then?

@EllumiglowPage 6 жыл бұрын

Yes. The power draw on the OpalDrive Laser module is very small, under 1A. So as long as the car battery is charged, it should have no problem providing power to the light. It should also have relatively no effect on the actual performance of the car battery due to the low power draw.

@shogunakuma979 5 жыл бұрын

Hi can you please tell me how much is the price for the cheapest laser wire?

@JustinMetras 5 жыл бұрын

As of today, the cheapest Laser Wire system is our Super Pop 1M kit that starts at $99.99

@rodaempat1223 3 жыл бұрын

el wire system just cost 2$ in my country

@johnjohn6393 5 жыл бұрын

2:10 smoke

@EllumiglowPage 5 жыл бұрын

Hi John! The smoke was an added effect to the video (as stated in a comment below), but we have heard and seen EL inverters melt, burn, and char, so it's not entirely far off from what can actually happen to an EL inverter when it does short out or have other issues arise.

@jebronekitty 2 жыл бұрын

Can laser write have specific zones of color? Or is there only a gradient?

@EllumiglowPage 2 жыл бұрын

You can PWM the input of the laser module to increase or decrease the brightness of the laser module placed on either end. While this can sort of control the intensity and color gradient as it passes throughout the line, there are no "zones" like a common WS2811 LED Strip that has individual pixels that can be controlled.

@GermanBadGuy 4 жыл бұрын

Is there thicker laser wire as well? I'd like to have more of a neon sign look with thicker wire.

@EllumiglowPage 4 жыл бұрын

What's neat about this product is that the wire is incredibly thin. That said, if you wanted a bigger jacket, there's lots of off-the-shelf tubes you can get to give the aesthetic you want, just by pushing the wire through a different jacket. If you would like more information on this, please send us an email at info@ellumiglow.com

@letsgetto1millwithoutvids 3 жыл бұрын

It's just cheap fibre optic and yes they make thicker fibre optic

@ToxiicZombee 3 жыл бұрын

I was wondering the same thing im probably going to just use clear pvc tube from Amazon its super cheap

@GermanBadGuy 3 жыл бұрын

@@ToxiicZombee like pulling the wire into a PVC tube? Interesting. Let us know how that works out!

@furysfriend3680 2 жыл бұрын

El wire u can cut and splice. U can't do that with laser wire can you or do u have to buy a power supply for each end??? I love how bright laser wire is but El is way more affordable I don't care what ur Shaq math says

@VLS-Why 5 жыл бұрын

Can I buy the fiber as a stand alone and use my own laser driver?

@EllumiglowPage 5 жыл бұрын

Please email us at info@ellumiglow.com - while it is possible to purchase the wire separately, standard laser pointers will not work. What the modules are doing is focusing the laser power down to approximately 170um.

@luisschmitz3207 4 жыл бұрын

But is Laserwire availale as a tape? Like EL Tape

@EllumiglowPage 4 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately no, there is currently no Tape version in this. You might look at VynEL lighting for a solution that is brighter and able to integrate into various substrates.

@johnsanchez5204 2 жыл бұрын

I'd rather buy myself a, Nice, Big, Juicy, Rib-Eye, Steak or The, Double, Malibu-Chicken, Plate, @ Sizzler, or The Chicken Parmigiana, Gnoke' Chicken-Soup, and All-You-Can-Eat, Bread-Sticks, Meal, @ The Olive-Garden, Rather than spending my, Hard-Earned, money, On some, Light-Up, Wire! :)

@ACIDGREENTECHNO 6 жыл бұрын

is there a powersupply for the laserwire for 7/24 for the normal power outlet?

@EllumiglowPage 6 жыл бұрын

Yes, if you go to the link in the video description, you can buy an "installation cable" that's included as an option on all of the laser wire™ products. The "installation cable" has a standard USB Male end and can be plugged into most cell phone wall outlets that provide at least 1A output.

@ACIDGREENTECHNO 6 жыл бұрын

great thx 4info

@jamessmith6420 5 жыл бұрын

does exist an RGB version of a laser wire?

@EllumiglowPage 5 жыл бұрын

James Smith we plan to release an RGB module in quarter 2 this year. If you sign up for our channel, we will make a release announcement when it is available.

@StarIessNight 3 жыл бұрын

Can we use this for car interior?

@EllumiglowPage 3 жыл бұрын

Yes, it works great for automotive interiors! Unlike EL Wire which will degrade quickly with UV exposure and heat, Laser Wire cabling won't deteriorate and will stay remain evenly illuminated.

@anyonecanmakeit718 4 жыл бұрын

Give me link to buy laser wirre cable??

@EllumiglowPage 4 жыл бұрын

Here's a link to buy the cabling itself (by the meter). In the description, it adds a link if you want us to add an FC or LC Connector to the cable.

@redeyejedi7501 5 жыл бұрын

I was looking into some laser wire on Ebay for $89 for 9ft do you sell on Ebay as well?

@EllumiglowPage 5 жыл бұрын

We do not, but you are welcome to click on the link in the video description to purchase.

@redeyejedi7501 5 жыл бұрын

@@EllumiglowPage will do

@tristan3357 4 жыл бұрын

Can this be used in cars for ambient lighting?

@EllumiglowPage 4 жыл бұрын

Yes, it's actually a really great application as it can be plugged directly into most car USB plugs. Some customers have chosen to press fit it into dash seams, while others have taken panels off and routed into the plastic parts themselves. In most instances, small amounts of 2-part epoxy or PE glue will help hold it into place when fitting into seams, and this is obviously the easier route. Because the wire is so light, only small amounts of glue are necessary.

@tristan3357 4 жыл бұрын

@@EllumiglowPage a tutorial video of installation and the end product would be very useful

@EllumiglowPage 4 жыл бұрын

@@tristan3357 agreed! We will add that to our video queue. In the meantime, if you send an email to info @ ellumiglow . com, we will send over paper documents of installation recommendations.

@IPGAuto 5 жыл бұрын

I think laser wire is nothing more than Fiber Optic.

@EllumiglowPage 5 жыл бұрын

Zero Hour then I would recommend you check it out and see the difference for yourself. Better yet, come by our office in Portand Oregon and we will compare the two side by side for you. Once we do, we would love to hear your take again.

@dablet 6 жыл бұрын

how to change the color on EL or laser wire? via an app?

@EllumiglowPage 6 жыл бұрын

dablet00 EL Wire is a fixed color and can't be changed without replacing the entire line. Laser Wire can be changed by replacing just the module itself to a different color. We also have a development RGB module in the works that allows you to change color of the wire through remote or smartphone.

@Ucceah 6 жыл бұрын

is the fulament itself not sold individually?

@EllumiglowPage 6 жыл бұрын

we do sell the wire separately. We don't have it listed on the site, but if you email info@ellumiglow.com we will be happy to quote you for the length(s) you need.

@elitearbor 6 жыл бұрын

It's sold by itself, for sure... check out "fiber optic line" on a search engine and you'll see reels of it for a few bucks. The type you're wanting is likely "side glow", so that light is visible the entire length, and not "end glow".

@EllumiglowPage 5 жыл бұрын

Hi there! You can try this if you like. However, Laser Wire is a glass-based site emitting fiber specifically designed for laser light sources, so using inexpensive POF (plastic optical fiber) will produce little to no light when used with laser emitters.

@davealmeida9786 4 жыл бұрын

Can't find any videos this installed in a car interior

@EllumiglowPage 4 жыл бұрын

If you email us, we can share some footage with you. Please email info at ellumiglow dot com. Thank you!

@WaschyNumber1 3 жыл бұрын

El wire strip this days 25000h life from manufacturer side.

@EllumiglowPage 3 жыл бұрын

Not even close. It's 2,500h half life of the phosphor. If you are finding 25kh, be very worried about the other claims they are providing.

@WaschyNumber1 3 жыл бұрын

@@EllumiglowPage but this days they use even other stuff not only this bevor 10years or so, like the new GaN chargers. Maybe 🤔

@EllumiglowPage 3 жыл бұрын

@@WaschyNumber1 sure, a charger can last 25k hours no problem. But you still need an inverter and EL Wire. The EL Wire will be replaced 5x+ before then.

@WaschyNumber1 3 жыл бұрын

@@EllumiglowPage than the 25000h ect are all a scam? 🤔

@EllumiglowPage 3 жыл бұрын

@@WaschyNumber1 if you show the data with the driving conditions (voltage/frequency), along with testing data of brightness and time, then we could determine whether a scam or not. However, to our knowledge, there are currently no EL Phosphors on the market with that kind of lifespan.

@VanDeviloo 5 жыл бұрын

*M A H A L*

@EllumiglowPage 5 жыл бұрын

Hi there! Yes - off the shelf, Laser Wire is more expensive than EL Wire. The point of this video is to educate that over a period of time, EL Wire ends up becoming more expensive due to brightness and reliability issues with cheap EL Wire and EL inverters, and the short lifespan of 6000 hours before replacement.