Could A Harrier/Viggen Squadron Have Stopped Operation Sea Lion? (WarGames 6) | DCS

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@bat0bat4
@bat0bat4 2 жыл бұрын
Being called a valued viewer always makes my day
@OrbEmber
@OrbEmber 2 жыл бұрын
same ere mate, same ere.
@lionemessi
@lionemessi 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah it really makes me feel like a have a purpose
@oldrabidus2230
@oldrabidus2230 2 жыл бұрын
Makes me feel like I’m doing very well.
@Kevin-hb7yq
@Kevin-hb7yq 2 жыл бұрын
@@lionemessi I have blessed cotton socks
@Colonel_Blimp
@Colonel_Blimp 2 жыл бұрын
For sure
@ryanpayne7707
@ryanpayne7707 2 жыл бұрын
Shootout to the RAF mechanics who repaired and turned around futuristic aircarft in record time with no training. The pilots get all the glory...
@Mojje42
@Mojje42 2 жыл бұрын
as a former S-AF mechnic i agree
@huskvarnarymd8337
@huskvarnarymd8337 2 жыл бұрын
Actually Sweden built its airforce around the notion that it would be fighting a kind of air "Battle of Sweden" against the russians. Having large airbases was useless since these would be destroyed with ease. Therefore the swedish made fighters were made to be able to operate from roads all over the country. Since a large portion of the country is covered in dense forest, it would be possible to hide alot of fighters in these wooded areas. The planes were also designed to require very few maintenance personel.
@juliusfucik4011
@juliusfucik4011 2 жыл бұрын
Yes and now look up how many Viggens the Swedes had, because it wasn't very many.
@BPo75
@BPo75 Жыл бұрын
@@juliusfucik4011 >300 aircraft was still a rather respectable force for the era. Swedish war planning was nothing but realistic though. In case the Cold war turned hot and most of the WP-forces were directed towards the Fulda gap, the Swedish airforce was expected to last about week and a half as a coherent organisation, after that the air flotillas would be so attrited that they were down to individual aircraft missions. A focused effort on Sweden as prelude for a full scale war was the worse case scenario, where the airforce would only last 2-3 days before the surviving aircraft, dispersed and isolated, would revert to improvised individual groups doing essential guerrilla warfare.
@meejinhuang
@meejinhuang 2 жыл бұрын
Once the Germans see the hovering harriers, they would turn around and report to HQ the alien technology the British now have.
@marmite8959
@marmite8959 2 жыл бұрын
Probably true, jokes aside ze Germans were pretty paranoid about allied technology. When U-Boats started getting detected by British RADAR and promptly sunk they equipped their submarines with an early form of RWR. After the Enigma code was cracked and the allies could decrypt the transmissions from the U-Boats to determine their locations, German intelligence assumed that it was impossible that Enigma could've been broken and there must be something else afoot. They thought the Brits had developed an RWR-detector and so ordered their U-Boats to turn off their RWR sets. Of course all this did was make the German subs more vulnerable to RADAR detection on top of having their radio transmissions intercepted.
@SonsOfLorgar
@SonsOfLorgar 2 жыл бұрын
@@marmite8959 the speed of the Viggen, and the fact it meant we had broken neutrality with that kind of tech up our sleeve would make OKW run their orderlies ragged just fetching the entire staff replacement underwear.
@ClodiusP
@ClodiusP 2 жыл бұрын
Who here wants to see what a single CBU 97 does to a group of landing craft?
@bradleysilfies1350
@bradleysilfies1350 2 жыл бұрын
Thought the same thing.
@rdionne
@rdionne 2 жыл бұрын
Same, I was like wait, their in clumps....time for the fun popcorn
@silentwatcher1455
@silentwatcher1455 2 жыл бұрын
In reality, no intelligent pilot will waste a cbu on that small thing.
@rubiconnn
@rubiconnn 2 жыл бұрын
They already did that with the small Iranian gunboats. They don't work too well as they are too spread out.
@grimreapers
@grimreapers 2 жыл бұрын
Sadly no VTOL/STOL planes carry them :(
@scdavis5074
@scdavis5074 2 жыл бұрын
Hey cap, I’ve never played a minute of DCS or IL 2 but I’ve been watching all your videos for the last several months. Love your content and just wanted to say thank you for the entertainment. I know you put a lot of work in to it. I hope you continue to grow your channel and wish you the best.
@grimreapers
@grimreapers 2 жыл бұрын
Pleasure SC
@Partstim
@Partstim 2 жыл бұрын
Ditto that - not into the gameplay at all, but I'm really enjoying these videos. As for this scenario, once you're out of ammo, I can only imagine a supersonic flyby at , say, 200 feet or so overhead. that would really ruin the day of those barges. I don't know if that effect is in the game, but I can imagine this would, uh ... discourage the troops from making a landing. Try coordinating a beach landing when all of the troops are deaf.
@alexnewman9290
@alexnewman9290 2 жыл бұрын
Same my gf and I like it but we are afraid the game will suck us in so we don’t play
@johnhmstr
@johnhmstr 2 жыл бұрын
Seeing those Viggens used for proper improvised airfield operations piloted so expertly is a beautiful thing to behold. Rogue13 MVP
@grimreapers
@grimreapers 2 жыл бұрын
Great flying!
@Mojje42
@Mojje42 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@alanp9740
@alanp9740 2 жыл бұрын
Don't worry, Captain Mainwaring and the boys from the home guard would have mopped up any Jerries that made it ashore.
@jimbodimbo981
@jimbodimbo981 2 жыл бұрын
They don’t like it up ‘em
@darkstar453
@darkstar453 2 жыл бұрын
10:16 Those cow's really don't care about the jets taking off right next to them.
@trolleriffic
@trolleriffic 2 жыл бұрын
They're the ground crew (or is it ground moo?)
@grimreapers
@grimreapers 2 жыл бұрын
Aviation cows.
@philipr.6090
@philipr.6090 Жыл бұрын
@@trolleriffic ground beef
@Nails077
@Nails077 2 жыл бұрын
Very nice to see the Viggen used as it was intended. Many quick strikes with very fast turnaround.
@Mojje42
@Mojje42 2 жыл бұрын
indeed
@ghostviggen
@ghostviggen 2 жыл бұрын
Viggen always works the best when it used as it built for. Fly low hit hard return and rearm and pound them again.
@jamiewaterman8147
@jamiewaterman8147 2 жыл бұрын
Sounds like my love life.
@Mojje42
@Mojje42 2 жыл бұрын
that's what makes it so much fun to fly
@pelmen1294
@pelmen1294 2 жыл бұрын
Scharnhorst mains were 11 inch and tirpitz were 15 inch.
@hegemonycricket9549
@hegemonycricket9549 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting scenario. The one thing that I found conspicuously absent were the Ju-52 transports, that the Germans would almost certainly have used to deliver paratroopers.
@tomsoki5738
@tomsoki5738 2 жыл бұрын
Britain was so densely packed with Home Guard and British army personnel, not to mention angry farmers with shotguns that no airborne assault would’ve made significant head room without heavy equipment and reinforcements from the sea
@jimrussell4062
@jimrussell4062 2 жыл бұрын
Wow. The naval bombardment was amazing! I didn't think it'd be that well modeled in DCS. Great short field landing skills too!
@alganhar1
@alganhar1 2 жыл бұрын
Shame both Gneisenau and Scharnhorst were in dock undergoing repairs on torpedo damage at the time the video is supposed to take place, and the Bismark/Tirpitz would not be completed for almost another year.....
@No1sonuk
@No1sonuk 2 жыл бұрын
There's a castle at Deal that had 2 six-inch Naval guns that look like they could reach the Scharnhorst where you have it (14 miles max range).
@Rover200Power
@Rover200Power 2 жыл бұрын
There were a significant number of gun batteries in the Dover Straight, including 15 inch, 13.5 inch and 9.2 inch guns. Most of which would have been able to fire on Scharnhorst.
@grimreapers
@grimreapers 2 жыл бұрын
nice!
@anonymous2513456
@anonymous2513456 2 жыл бұрын
@@Rover200Power the 2x biggest ones could land shell's on the French coast. Sadly, Gerry also had big guns in France that could land shell's in Dover.
@alganhar1
@alganhar1 2 жыл бұрын
@@grimreapers Worse, at the time Scharnhorst AND Gneisenau were out of action. Scharnhorst had suffered a torpedo hit from the destroyer HMS Acasta during the latters futile attempt to save HMS Glorious which had her in drydock for repairs until December 1940. Gneisenau had been hit by a torpedo launched by the submarine HMS Clyde which saw her in drydock for repairs until late November 1940. In fact all the Germans had available in the late summer/early autumn of 1940 for Sealion were 7 Destroyers and 3 Cruisers. in contrast, in home waters alone, the Royal Navy could call on 6 battleships, 2 aircraft carriers, 25 Cruisers and over 100 Destroyers..... That does NOT include Force H in Gibraltar or the independently powerful Mediterranean Fleet. Given that Naval disparity, I would like people to explain to me how Sealion was possible at all, especially considering the Luftwaffes lack of pilots trained in anti shipping operations in 1940. There is a hell of a difference between bombing an airfield and bombing an actively manoeuvring Destroyer at sea....
@DERP_Squad
@DERP_Squad 2 жыл бұрын
@@alganhar1 It wasn't possible at all, but it would make for a very dull video if it was just an impression of Churchill saying 'Send for the HMS Warspite and the Tribals.'
@fgialcgorge7392
@fgialcgorge7392 2 жыл бұрын
Every time I see a Harrier I think of that scene in True Lies when Arnold Schwarzenegger shoots the missle with the terrorist dangling off it and says "You're fired." 😂
@That_Freedom_Guy
@That_Freedom_Guy 2 жыл бұрын
If the Poms lost the Battle of Britain, what a frightening scenario! That shelling of that coastal town was painful. I would like to see what happens if you use cluster bombs for the barges. Thanks for exploring alternative histories, very entertaining. 👍 (Ps. Can Harriers and Viggens carry a nuclear bomb! One on Nuremberg during one of their assemblies could be interesting)😃
@alancraley8273
@alancraley8273 2 жыл бұрын
my thought exactly. Just like the Iranian gun boats, ii think the cluster munitions would devastate the barges
@alganhar1
@alganhar1 2 жыл бұрын
Erm... if the Poms lost the BoB how would it be frightening? Take a look at the relative NAVAL strengths in 1940, specifically in the Autumn of 1940 after the BoB. Germany had, ready to sail, 7 destroyers and 3 Cruisers. That was it. That was their entire surface fleet able to sail at the time of Sealion. They had already lost half their available destroyers and a modern cruiser during the Norway Campaign, with other ships damaged. In addition there were further vessels in for routine refits. The Royal Navy on the other hand, had in British waters, so not including Force H in Gib and the Mediterranean Fleet amounted to 6 battleships, 2 Aircraft Carriers, 25 Cruisers and over 100 destroyers. All able to sail. Given that in 1940 the Luftwaffe had few pilots actually trained in anti shipping operations, and they were all in the Condors there is no way Germany could have invaded. The RN wouldn't have even needed to commit major assets, a half dozen Cruisers and a dozen or so Destroyers would be more than capable of keeping the Surface escort busy while Motor torpedo and gun boats tore apart the helpless converted River Barges the Germans were using as 'Landing Craft', which in good conditions could manage MAYBE 3.5 knots....
@patthewoodboy
@patthewoodboy 2 жыл бұрын
@@alganhar1 agree Sealion was never going to happen even if Germany had air superiority
@chewyfoks1840
@chewyfoks1840 2 жыл бұрын
@@alganhar1 If the BoB has been lost, the Axis would've invaded Britain completely. The US wouldn't have come to their aid if Pearl Harbor had gone ahead. The Russians may not have entered the war if Hitler stopped at the UK. Lots of ifs and buts. However, born much after WW2 events, would we be any less happy if we grew up speaking German in Britain? We wouldn't know any different apart from old pictures in history books. Interesting thinking about it.
@m1a1abramstank49
@m1a1abramstank49 2 жыл бұрын
@@chewyfoks1840 The Axis, if they tried to invade would be a giant mistake. They didn’t even have proper landing craft by that time or even a navy comparing to the British Navy in that area. German aircraft didn’t even have AP Bombs so destroying the ships would’ve been a rough task. Britain would’ve also recovered and made more fighters based off of their production of aircraft during the Battle of Britain
@Mojje42
@Mojje42 2 жыл бұрын
taking off from that road was not easy... specially with the bump that you hit just at takeoff speed (lucky i had Stage 3 AFB) landing was much harder as one landed in the dip (but not bad with 7 takeoff and 6 landings) Fun mission! but i wonder if Predator drones buddy lasing for the Harriers would have made it easier for them or cluster bombs.... hmm BK-90 for Viggen?
@No1sonuk
@No1sonuk 2 жыл бұрын
That was impressive flying, and Cap screwing up the landing showed it wasn't nearly as easy as you made it look.
@MrSinnerBOFH
@MrSinnerBOFH 2 жыл бұрын
Or infantry with laser designators near the beaches.
@grimreapers
@grimreapers 2 жыл бұрын
Well done Rog Ue cementing your place in DCS history.
@Mojje42
@Mojje42 2 жыл бұрын
@@No1sonuk yeah he landed slightly to much left on the road... you had to be in the center as to far left you'd hit a pole but to far right wheel goes in the grass.. which actually happened in one of my landings but i was lucky enough to quickly recover
@Mojje42
@Mojje42 2 жыл бұрын
@@grimreapers Thank you i was dreading the takeoff and landing so much i kinda forgot about the 109 air threat... oppssy
@psylentbob1
@psylentbob1 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Cap and the GR team. Love your videos and this one especially. I'm based in Ramsgate and it's lovely to see the site of the worlds biggest Wetherspoons getting hammered by German naval artillery. Keep up the good work.
@kebromglidewell7896
@kebromglidewell7896 2 жыл бұрын
Your videos are super cool. I really enjoy watching them, thanks for all the amazing videos.
@grimreapers
@grimreapers 2 жыл бұрын
thx
@dennismcintosh3699
@dennismcintosh3699 2 жыл бұрын
these are so fun to watch! im in the middle of it now. Ac130s with some fighter cover would be great in this situation
@MrRldunton
@MrRldunton 2 жыл бұрын
Bismarck class battleships had 15 inch guns. More precily 380 mm
@alganhar1
@alganhar1 2 жыл бұрын
All very nice, but the Bismarks would not enter service until the following year, so rather impossible for them to be involved don't you think? In fact at the time Sealion was to take place the Germans did not HAVE any operational Battleships as Scharnhorst and Gneisenau were in drydock being repaired after sustaining heavy torpedo damage and would not be ready for service again until November 1940 (Gneis) and December 1940 (Scharn).
@johanmetreus1268
@johanmetreus1268 2 жыл бұрын
Would been interesting to see what one Viggen with Robot 15 would achieve against Tirpitz and Scharnhorst respectively, scrambled before the shore bombardment.
@Kevin-hb7yq
@Kevin-hb7yq 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome battle. I love the idea of having other squadrons compete by doing these scenarios.
@ViperBATDTF
@ViperBATDTF 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome! I'm currently tied up on learning the 14 and the 18, and patiently waiting for that masterpiece the AH-64D... now I believe I'll have to buy the Falcon!
@LeoStorm007
@LeoStorm007 2 жыл бұрын
As much I like these videos, the fun, the creativity of these situations and the simulations. I'm here for caps commentary and the team. They make these so fun to watch. I don't think it would be as good otherwise. And it is weirdly calming and leaves me with a smile on my face by the end of it, like I learned something new and yet hung out with my buddies doing it. So thanks cap for these videos. Hope you and everyone are doing well.
@grimreapers
@grimreapers 2 жыл бұрын
Thx Leo
@ka9dgx
@ka9dgx 2 жыл бұрын
Can an A-10 Warthog take off from a road? It would be so much fun to see the BRRRRRRRRRRRT take out the barges.
@No1sonuk
@No1sonuk 2 жыл бұрын
You'd have to pick one with no power lines alongside - it's quite a wide wingspan.
@rubiconnn
@rubiconnn 2 жыл бұрын
The A10 wouldn't be as effective. It's low speed and short gun range would mean it would get shredded by gunfire.
@phalcon23
@phalcon23 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, the did landings In the us this year
@grimreapers
@grimreapers 2 жыл бұрын
Tried but was just too wide for British roads...
@superkjell
@superkjell 2 жыл бұрын
@@rubiconnn The A-10 can take a lot of damage. The guns of the BF-109s would probably be ineffective.
@kingtigerbooks1162
@kingtigerbooks1162 2 жыл бұрын
Great channel ! Thanks to computer simulations we can find out how a small group of modern fighter jets will do against a massive array of WW2 fighters. Only in a good simulation can such wild battles take place, without anyone getting hurt. To me it's the stuff of Sci-Fi. To whom it may concern, my 3 favorite science fiction art books are : - Wonderworks by Michael Whelan - Great Fighter Jets of the Galaxy 1 by Tim Gibson - Icon by Frank Frazetta
@huginstarkstrom
@huginstarkstrom 2 жыл бұрын
as far as classic scenarios go, hunting the bismark or destroying the Tirpiz in the Fjord would be amazing.
@justSkitBra
@justSkitBra 2 жыл бұрын
all swedish aircrafts, viggen and JAS39 Gripen have the short takeoff requirement.
@GeekSHO
@GeekSHO 2 жыл бұрын
Ah, so this is what it looks like in Civ5 when my military tech is two generations higher than my opponent. Amazing footage and super fun to watch, GR! Keep it up!
@zawiszaczarnysulima3700
@zawiszaczarnysulima3700 2 жыл бұрын
I wonder whether cluster munition would generate results? Barges were nicely grouped.
@rubiconnn
@rubiconnn 2 жыл бұрын
They tried that with the Iranian gunboats and they didn't work too well.
@Kevin-hb7yq
@Kevin-hb7yq 2 жыл бұрын
@@rubiconnn always fun to see them try
@grimreapers
@grimreapers 2 жыл бұрын
Just too heavy to carry with VTOL
@alganhar1
@alganhar1 2 жыл бұрын
@@rubiconnn The 'Landing Craft' the Germans actually 'built' were converted Rhine River Barges capable of MAYBE 3.5 knots in calm conditions, assuming they had engines at all, about two thirds did not and would have had to be towed in either by other barges, or the destroyer escort. If the invasion (which was impossible due to Naval power disparity but hey ho) took place during an ebbing Tide then those barges would be lucky to make 1.5 knots against the tide flow, and it would be even WORSE if they were stupid enough to try the invasion on a Spring Tide despite the higher water level as the flow on the ebb is even faster, meaning those barges caught on the ebb would essentially be at a standstill even while under full power..... So yeah, I think a cluster bomb would have worked quite nicely against what the Germans ACTUALLY had available.....
@SonsOfLorgar
@SonsOfLorgar 2 жыл бұрын
@@grimreapers not too heavy for Viggen though I suspect, and I suspect a couple of RBS 15 would have made short work of the capital ships due to lack of proximity fuses for their AAA.
@bonesmiginty2458
@bonesmiginty2458 2 жыл бұрын
Cap you should do an American Pacific theater re-enactment of WWII! Island hopping invasions, major battles, maybe even a "What If" invading Japan!
@grimreapers
@grimreapers 2 жыл бұрын
Roger noted.
@imjashingyou3461
@imjashingyou3461 2 жыл бұрын
Well if we are going with histroical accuracy the seawaves and weather WOULD have stopped Sealion, before the Royal Navy decimated it even if the Luftwaffe had air superiority. The Kregismarine had about 12 major combat ships (Destroyers and Bigger. The Invasion of Norway decimated the kreigsmarine, and you WAY overpoulated the ships they had.) operational at that point against the home fleet of over 100, and were trying to cross the channel in riverine, craft, barges, and other non oceanic craft no suitable for the channel. The Luftwaffe at this point had no good anti ship weapons, and was particularly bad at anti shipping at this point.
@sebastes0558
@sebastes0558 2 жыл бұрын
Sooooo happy you did this!!! Right after you did the A-10 v Ju88 video. My first thought was could A-10 stopped Operation Sea Lion. Thank you all so much for the fun!
@grimreapers
@grimreapers 2 жыл бұрын
:)
@Gromit801
@Gromit801 Жыл бұрын
Properly programmed A-10’s would work well.
@elborko6821
@elborko6821 2 жыл бұрын
Remember the SNL skit What if Napoleon had a B-52 at Waterloo
@cf453
@cf453 2 жыл бұрын
These alt-history missions are a lot of fun! I wonder what the RBS-15 blast radius is? ;)
@imranaiman7184
@imranaiman7184 2 жыл бұрын
Love the way cap yell next as the harriers took off,he runs the the control like dmv counter
@rembratt
@rembratt 2 жыл бұрын
So: Could something that never happened be stopped by something that could never happen? Your counterfactual theme just reached a new high! :-D Keep it up!
@mrlodwick
@mrlodwick 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Cap- wife still well all is good!
@artonline01
@artonline01 2 жыл бұрын
Poor Simba how embarrassing for him.
@grimreapers
@grimreapers 2 жыл бұрын
Bless him...
@mandalorion
@mandalorion 2 жыл бұрын
That's some beautiful flying in the Viggen.
@grimreapers
@grimreapers 2 жыл бұрын
agree
@Mojje42
@Mojje42 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@EddietheBastard
@EddietheBastard 11 ай бұрын
Tirpitz was commissioned in Feb 1941 - long after sea lion was abandoned - bismarck was nominally available - though still working up at during the sea-lion period Scharnhorst was in repair from June to December 1940, her sister Gneisenau was in dry dock from july to december 1940 The kriegsmarine was pretty much roached while the RN had cruisers and BBs aplenty.
@flybywire5866
@flybywire5866 2 жыл бұрын
At 10:40 there are some quite cool cows 😋
@danieljones7843
@danieljones7843 6 ай бұрын
8:34 you are absolutely right. Turpitz had 15 inch guns. Scharnhorst had the same 11 inch guns as Graf spee too…
@jacodebruyn9044
@jacodebruyn9044 2 жыл бұрын
A10 might also be a good option with the cannon on a good run could take out multiple targets. Love the content!
@NaeMuckle
@NaeMuckle 2 жыл бұрын
Tornado GR4 would do more damage. Its a much more capable ground attack aircraft.
@alganhar1
@alganhar1 2 жыл бұрын
Some issues. Issue 1) Landing Craft. The Landing Craft the Germans had for Sea Lion were converted River Barges, two thirds were unpowered, and those that did have engines could make about 3.5 knots. Hardly ideal when considering the ebbing tide around most of the UK reaches 2 knots (faster in some places), meaning that during an ebbing tide those barges would be making 1.5 knots against the flow. During a Spring tide when the flow rate is faster then they would be effectively stationary during an ebbing tide.... Issue 2) You would not need aircraft. The Royal Navy was more than capable of defending against a Landing. At the end of the Battle Of Britain the Kreigsmarine had 7 Destroyers and 3 Cruisers capable of sailing. They had other surface assets but they were all either undergoing routine refits, or were undergoing repairs, generally for battle damage suffered. In contrast the Royal Navy had on hand, around the UK, so not including Force H in Gibraltar or the Mediterranean Fleet, 6 Battleships, 2 aircraft Carriers, 25 Cruisers and over 100 Destroyers. This is ACTIVE ships and does not include ships in refit or under repair. Given that disparity there is NO WAY Germany could have launched a seaborne invasion of the UK Mainland. Period. The RN would not even need to commit Capital assets. A half dozen Cruisers and a couple of dozen Destroyers could have easily kept the German fleet assets busy while Motor Torpedo and Motor Gun Boats slaughtered the more or less helpless invasion barges. U Boats would not be an answer either, as the likely invasion beaches due to the slow speed of the barges were all within the narrow confines of the Channel, which means EXTREMELY shallow water. The narrow Channel waters are a nightmare even for modern submarines, for WWII boats they were a death trap.
@ryanbrewis6990
@ryanbrewis6990 2 жыл бұрын
@@xyz-hj6ul Fuck me I've never read such a load of Nazi wank since The Raid on Scapa Flow. Bravo sir/madam.
@Wolfen443
@Wolfen443 2 жыл бұрын
That coastal bombardment, wow is just amazing but terrifying at the same time. Actually, if the Luftwaffe had put down the RAF, it just might have been possible to open a safe route in the channel for the invasion fleet if the British navy was kept away for a while.
@anonymous2513456
@anonymous2513456 2 жыл бұрын
Are you forgetting about the Royal Navy's Home Fleet which by 1940 also contained the Royal Dutch Navy and the Royal Norwegian navy? It was an absurdly powerful fleet. Whole the Luftwaffe may have been able to inflict heavy losses on the Home Fleet, it would not have been enough to prevent the destruction of the Axis landing forces mid channel. This was all war gamed out in the 70's at Sandhurst. The RAF were not the only thing holding back the German invasion, the Home Fleet ensured that it could never be successful aside from perhaps the first wave, which would have been out of ammo and food within 2 days.
@ladela7348
@ladela7348 2 жыл бұрын
@@anonymous2513456 That Wargame was actually done several times. One time they basically said the RAF and Royal Navy couldn't do anything for the first few weeks of the campaign. The Germans still lost because they couldn't supply their troops.
@trolleriffic
@trolleriffic 2 жыл бұрын
@@anonymous2513456 As I understand it Sealion wasn't even supposed to have been drawn up because Hitler never expected to have to go to war with Britain, instead seeing us as natural allies.
@alganhar1
@alganhar1 2 жыл бұрын
No, no it wouldn't. Both in service German battleships were out of action being repaired after sustaining torpedo damage (one by HMS Acasta, the other by the Submarine HMS Clyde). In the late summer/early autumn of 1940 Germany had precisely 7 destroyers and 3 Cruisers capable of putting to sea. Royal Navy? 6 Battleships, 2 Aircraft Carriers, 25 Cruisers and over 100 Destroyers IN HOME WATERS ALONE. This did NOT include Force H or the independently powerful Mediterranean Fleet. Frankly the RN would never have had to risk Capital assets, a half dozen cruisers and a dozen destroyers is all they would have needed, and use the flotillas of MTB's and MGB's (motor torpedo/gun boats) to tear apart the converted barge landing craft that were capable of an entire 3.5 knots on a good day. Any attempt to land German troops against that Naval disparity would have led to 10 German Divisions on the bottom of the Channel...... And no, the Luftwaffe could not have done much, they inflicted relatively few losses in Destroyers at Dunkirk despite those destroyers being more or less still. At the time Germany had very few pilots or aircrews trained in anti shipping operations, and those they did have were all in the Condors on anti Convoy duty.
@EdMcF1
@EdMcF1 2 жыл бұрын
A10 Warthogs to pepper the barges with 'brrrrrrrrr!'.
@goatslunch6991
@goatslunch6991 2 жыл бұрын
Land in a soccer field. Does that mean even if its a perfect landing you will fall over with a fake injury?
@SonsOfLorgar
@SonsOfLorgar 2 жыл бұрын
Yes.
@ETRTriad
@ETRTriad 2 жыл бұрын
Yesss 💪, love the content....thank you 👊
@Anarchy_420
@Anarchy_420 2 жыл бұрын
F-4 Phantom VS A-4 Skyhawk F-15 STOL/MTD VS F-16I Sufa Extreme AOA VS Extreme Missile Rating👍 F-4U Corsair VS MIG-15 MB-339 Aerimacchi VS Viggen T-45 Goshawk VS F-14 Tomcat AV-8 Harrier VS MIG-23 Flogger Please fly the Planes on the left😁✌
@chrishickman9738
@chrishickman9738 2 жыл бұрын
Cap Watching ur vids has cost me a small fortune on a new hi spec pc to play DCS I salute u for making me make that jump sir :)
@grimreapers
@grimreapers 2 жыл бұрын
lol I can only apologize :)
@theflanman420420
@theflanman420420 2 жыл бұрын
I love you work thank you for your amazing content.
@grimreapers
@grimreapers 2 жыл бұрын
thx
@bassett_green
@bassett_green 2 жыл бұрын
Wowza thatViggen consistently landing and taking off from the road is black magic
@KLD2929
@KLD2929 2 жыл бұрын
I can only imagine if there were spitfires added into the IA to take care of the air to air attacks while your taking out the transports, would have been ideal.
@davebartos7743
@davebartos7743 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Chaps, very enjoyable series you have here. Thanks for posting. How about the Spanish Armada v WW2 aircraft?
@grimreapers
@grimreapers 2 жыл бұрын
nice
@spankyjohn69
@spankyjohn69 2 жыл бұрын
Hey cap just wanted to say hi the video was very good I liked how you had people taking off with the harriers and the Wiggins like I always say I appreciate these videos that you make with everybody and you guys do it together as a community and it's very nice I promise I'll be getting my Grim Reaper shirt in January right now I'm having money problems so and Christmas is coming up so it would be nice if I could get myself something and help out with the Grim Reaper team. Not sure where do you go to watch those videos that you put up on here when the Grim Reaper teamfights other spiders can you watch that in real time? I don't mind watching it on KZfaq but I'm just asking I'm not trying to be a annoyance. I went on my KZfaq page to see how many hours of grim reaper videos and time I watched I've watched over it was a big number I couldn't see it. I know this sounds stupid but we have an air show every year at MacDill Air Force Base in Tampa Florida United States maybe the grim reapers can come to the US and you guys can come there I believe it's two days they do it still it's basically the same thing for the two days when I used to go as a kid like I've always said I went till I was 21 and there be over 200,000 people there really cool planes from World War 1 you can name it they were most likely have it I've been lucky enough to see the stealth bomber the stealth fighter. But my all-time favorite fighter jet is the F-16. But I thought I would just drop by and say hi hope everybody is doing well and yourself cap and Simba. I had something that just came to mine is there anyway that you guys can use the F-22 Raptor during one of your videos or do you guys strictly just go for the older airplanes I don't remember you using wandering like a the campaign maybe you can do one more you can recreate a World War 2 and you can bring like some F16 maybe two F-22 Raptors I don't know I thought I would ask. I hope everybody on here has a wonderful day and stay safe. Much appreciated John from St Petersburg Florida United States of America💯🤙
@jameslynn7271
@jameslynn7271 2 жыл бұрын
loadout with Hydra 70 rocket pods and cluster bombs? attack landing craft formations in formation for mass fires? Need some ADA around the FARPs. 40MM bofors?
@bearcatracing007
@bearcatracing007 2 жыл бұрын
Yay the Tirpitz using its 15in guns for something other than protecting a fjord..
@peteruk8925
@peteruk8925 2 жыл бұрын
Hi cap regards aircraft you could have brought back which used rough terrain take off or roads etc, was the SEPECAT JAGUAR ! Tough aircraft used in tandem with Harriers would have been formidable to see !!
@zhengsng6203
@zhengsng6203 2 жыл бұрын
It's quite overkill taking down those bardges with missiles... Take them down with Hydra rocket with armour piercing warhead is pretty good enough..
@CombatIneffective
@CombatIneffective 2 жыл бұрын
Gonna stop you on the FW-190. It wasn't introduced to the Luftwaffe until August of 1941. Operation Sea Lion was scheduled for September of 1940 and therefore no FW-190s would have been available.
@grimreapers
@grimreapers 2 жыл бұрын
Well spotted!
@superkjell
@superkjell 2 жыл бұрын
Also - Operation Barbarossa started in june 1941, so the Germans did have all the resources available on the western front in 1940.
@sergeantklein6026
@sergeantklein6026 2 жыл бұрын
More like this please (New Mexico, USA)
@richardchurchill5181
@richardchurchill5181 2 жыл бұрын
How about using a few "grid removal tools" (MLRS) batteries against the barges? Cluster munitions would mostly land in the water, but a salvo from one vehicle into a formation would still likely do a lot of damage and sink some of the Higgins boats. Enough MLRS vehicles might still do enough damage, particularly as they are capable of running and hiding to avoid being killed.
@alganhar1
@alganhar1 2 жыл бұрын
You know what the Germans were actually planning on using as Landing Craft? They didnt HAVE anything like Higgins boats. Their LC's were converted River Barges that could MAYBE manage 3.5 knots on a good day..... So given that information how effective do you think MLRS might be now?
@grimreapers
@grimreapers 2 жыл бұрын
Those tools don't work on multiplayer sadly :(
@richardchurchill5181
@richardchurchill5181 2 жыл бұрын
@@alganhar1 Very. First, I don't believe the game has barges of the type the Germans intended to use, so Higgins boats are the logical stand-in. It is a matter of density of bomblets in target area and the density of barges in that area. A battle of M270s can place nearly 70,000 bomblets in the target area when firing the M26 rocket, or nearly 56,000 firing either the M26A1 or M26A2 rockets. Each bomblet is a DPICM or Dual Purpose Improved Conventional Munition roughly the equivalent of a grenade. Calculate the number of hits needed to sink or fully disable a barge and this would also likely leave the personnel on the barrage either dead or hors de combat. Set the targeting area size to provide the needed density and aim ahead of the advancing group targeted appropriately, then you should sink or effectively destroy a solid majority in that area. Rinse and repeat as needed.
@alganhar1
@alganhar1 2 жыл бұрын
​@@richardchurchill5181 The Higgins boats are not a logical stand in. The Barges were far larger and slower, each carrying around a full company compared to the platoon of the Higgins boats. Higgins boats make around 17 knots in good seas, compared to the maybe 3.5 of the barges. Now I will accept that the Higgins boats may be the only possible stand in given the game assets, but because they are the only possible stand in it seriously affects the realism of the scenario as the naval forces are moving far, far faster than they would have had to in reality due to the limitations of the speed of the barges being used as Landing Craft. Higgins boats were purpose designed for opposed amphibious assaults, the barges were converted civilian vessels.... Does not mean much for either if actually hit, but the smaller size and faster speed, plus the relative agility of the Higgins boats would render them somewhat less vulnerable to such a bombardment as they are smaller and faster targets. The larger barges, being slower and cumbersome however..... Well for them its rather like shooting fish in a barrel....
@richardchurchill5181
@richardchurchill5181 2 жыл бұрын
@@alganhar1 What suitable substitutes other than Higgins boats are there in this simulation? There really aren't any. Larger landing vessels were almost exclusive to the allies and Japan and sufficiently more robust to not be comparable to a barge as they were ocean-going vessels. I do not believe Japanese vessels are useable in European waters in this simulation in any case, given what I have been told. You are mistaken about the speed of a Higgins boat. In good conditions they could reach 17 KILOMETERS an hour, which is closer to 9 knots. In anything other than good conditions their performance dropped significantly ... and the English Channel is rarely "good." Square bows and even a relatively light chop are not a good mix. As for simulation purposes, the fact that the barges would be less robust means the same number of hits that would sink a barge would likely to the same for a Higgins boat. Thus, if you can demonstrate that the M270 system is effective against Higgins boats you have good evidence to conclude it would be against the larger barges. As for maneuverability, cluster munitions don't really care if you are maneuvering so long as you are within their area of effect. It is a matter of bomblet density in the area of effect. The task of any landing craft is to reach shore. Maneuvering at sea delays that achievement and keeps the craft at sea where it can be targeted with its load.
@josephkiernan7367
@josephkiernan7367 2 жыл бұрын
I would love to watch you guys do a full war win or loss not just a battle
@Evocati-Augusti
@Evocati-Augusti Жыл бұрын
I've had a Saab as my 3rd car since 1997, and 2 of them were stage 3 Viggens.
@rogerrussell5155
@rogerrussell5155 9 ай бұрын
Loving to see the keep calm and carry on harriers taking teapots on their sorties
@brianpullin683
@brianpullin683 2 жыл бұрын
Great work 👍. But seeing the harrier and viggen in action, made me wonder about the Hercules and it's insane tactical landing and take off videos. What aircraft can within set parameters can pull off a similar landing and take off. 🤪
@grimreapers
@grimreapers 2 жыл бұрын
Cool idea
@willwozniak2826
@willwozniak2826 2 жыл бұрын
Nice take off and landing on the road boys....Ohhh Yurrrrr!!!
@Mojje42
@Mojje42 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@Naylte
@Naylte 2 жыл бұрын
From what I can recall of the Wehrmacht's logistics available for Sea Lion, the USS Enterprise (CV-6) would've been enough.
@alganhar1
@alganhar1 2 жыл бұрын
You are missing a little thing called the Royal Navy.... They did not need USS Enterprise..... But you are correct in any case. Given the Naval disparity, which I have mentioned elsewhere, Sealion was a fanatics pipe dream. It was impossible from the start and just about the only people who realised that was, ironically enough, the Kreigsmarine and the Royal Navy.
@potholerrepairsterra
@potholerrepairsterra 2 жыл бұрын
amazing video, nice work cap getting more kills in one run than...
@grimreapers
@grimreapers 2 жыл бұрын
Look at me doing a thing!
@vanguard9067
@vanguard9067 11 ай бұрын
Being in a landing barge would seem like avenging angels roaring out of the sky without understanding of and defense against my impending death. I would be begging the barge captain to please turn around and get me back safely to Calais.
@philipking6284
@philipking6284 2 жыл бұрын
the cows were amazingly calm on first take off :-)
@peterrobinson9402
@peterrobinson9402 2 жыл бұрын
The bombardment was pretty scary. But whatever killed the RAF, FAA, the Royal Navy and the shore batteries and Royal Artillery must have been terrifying! I assume a terrible storm sent battle ships flying into airfields and factories. You used the right tactics. The Argentine pilots attacked battleships not troop ships in 1982 and it didn’t end well.
@jamesa.7604
@jamesa.7604 2 жыл бұрын
Well Done, Boys! Sent them swimming and crying back home!
@grimreapers
@grimreapers 2 жыл бұрын
yup
@Pablo668
@Pablo668 2 жыл бұрын
I'm going to 2nd that comment about being called a valued viewer. It's awesome. That's as good as a win really, you denuded the landing force by about 3/4 before they landed. That would do the trick.
@jimbodimbo981
@jimbodimbo981 2 жыл бұрын
The cows are totally chilled
@SWR112
@SWR112 2 жыл бұрын
Love these I need to get a decent PC and get back into flying sims 👍
@edmorris1437
@edmorris1437 Жыл бұрын
Love the sound the Harriers make when they fly by.
@ilejovcevski79
@ilejovcevski79 2 жыл бұрын
This reminds me so much of Panzer General's 1 operation Sea Lion mission!
@willammcyoung9433
@willammcyoung9433 2 жыл бұрын
Yea, Miss the hell out of those old games. P.G. was so much like chess, not all rush around. You took your time. An playing against the machine was relaxing. And yes this board looks very much like P.G. Sea Lion.
@ilejovcevski79
@ilejovcevski79 2 жыл бұрын
@@willammcyoung9433 well said!
@smiley3012
@smiley3012 Жыл бұрын
Im addicted to this channel.
@jascrandom9855
@jascrandom9855 2 жыл бұрын
Need more airburst weapons against those landing crafts.
@grimreapers
@grimreapers 2 жыл бұрын
agree
@jmccallion2394
@jmccallion2394 2 жыл бұрын
Harrier needs to use their Aden cannons
@spotterstew
@spotterstew 2 жыл бұрын
Hay cap watched this with the harriers and all the explosions made me think that I've just installed the new Echo19 CORE sound upgrade. I was wondering of you'd be able to do a video on it and see what you think? Many thanks
@grimreapers
@grimreapers 2 жыл бұрын
Will do when I get a moment.
@joegeldart3018
@joegeldart3018 2 жыл бұрын
Hey cap, was the boat you used for the bombardment a mod? And if it isn't then what country is it from.
@grimreapers
@grimreapers 2 жыл бұрын
Yes mod. Germany.
@trottheblackdog
@trottheblackdog 2 жыл бұрын
What a fun video. Would it have been worth it to sling a Harpoon or two at Tirpitz or Scharnhorst?
@grimreapers
@grimreapers 2 жыл бұрын
Fair point.
@trolleriffic
@trolleriffic 2 жыл бұрын
Might not do much with them having so much armour. Harpoons are designed more for modern ships with comparatively thin or no armour belts.
@BPo75
@BPo75 Жыл бұрын
@@trolleriffic Robot 15F on the other hand...
@fgialcgorge7392
@fgialcgorge7392 2 жыл бұрын
Man, I think my cats or dog unlock my phone when I'm asleep because it's retarded and if you so much as look at it it turns on and continue the War Games Playlist. Because I don't remember seeing this but I definitely remember hearing it. Down to the specific Harrier designations.
@timbaskett6299
@timbaskett6299 Жыл бұрын
The Luftwaffe would be embarrassed to know where some of the tech for the Harrier came from, the P.1127 and Kestrel. 😄
@Duvstep910
@Duvstep910 2 жыл бұрын
Good luck on the campaign guys
@calmterror
@calmterror 2 жыл бұрын
The real targets would have been the larger supply ships and supply landing craft not the troop transports. Army's can not fight if they do not have food and ammo.
@rubiconnn
@rubiconnn 2 жыл бұрын
I'm not military strategist, but I disagree. The troops probably carry enough supplies to land and secure the immediate areas. Once the beaches are cleared more supply ships can move in later.
@phalcon23
@phalcon23 2 жыл бұрын
And the can take food from the British
@alganhar1
@alganhar1 2 жыл бұрын
@@rubiconnn Lol, try no? Royal navy at this time = largest Navy IN THE WORLD. it would not be surpassed by the USN until 1943. Getting those troops ashore would have been a miracle from the German perspective, supplying them afterwards is a flat out impossibility. It literally is NOT happening.
@alganhar1
@alganhar1 2 жыл бұрын
@@phalcon23 Right... and what do they do about bullets, shells, spare parts for their vehicles and that sort of thing hmm? They will be carrying combat loads, the chances of the Germans resupplying them is zero as Germany did not have the Naval strength to even THINK about keeping a supply line across the Channel open for hours, let alone days or weeks. They will have lasted maybe 48 hours before they ran out of fuel, ammunition and spares.
@justinsmith9135
@justinsmith9135 2 жыл бұрын
Tankie “expert harrier driver”
@grimreapers
@grimreapers 2 жыл бұрын
Technically he flew fine, just his Listening to Briefing is what left a LOT to be desired.
@niben71
@niben71 2 жыл бұрын
Do you have to capture the windowsbar? I pressed it a couple of times already thinking it was mine!
@DAVIDGREGORYKERR
@DAVIDGREGORYKERR 2 жыл бұрын
The AV 8A can take any loadout that you want just make sure they have as much Jet A as you can get.
@joegoveia6499
@joegoveia6499 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing flying Rogue!
@Mojje42
@Mojje42 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@joegoveia6499
@joegoveia6499 2 жыл бұрын
@@Mojje42 welcome!
@mortenBP
@mortenBP 2 жыл бұрын
I could wish to see this entire scenario over again, but with Harriers watching over a handful of C130 gunships giving it to the barges. Let it rain lead!
@grimreapers
@grimreapers 2 жыл бұрын
agree
@willammcyoung9433
@willammcyoung9433 2 жыл бұрын
hey, throw a few ac-47 (spooky's) in the mix. weapons in those bad lady's would make that rain pedersen, don't yea think? along with the ac-130 ( angels of death).
@mortenBP
@mortenBP 2 жыл бұрын
Just realized that one of the scenario details here is that all airfields are destroyed. So tough on the big gunship birds.
@ScienceChap
@ScienceChap 2 жыл бұрын
The Royal Navy would have stopped Sea Lion. Indeed, it did. The Wehrmacht realised it had no hope of crossing the English Channel without defeating the RAF and the RN. The RN would have obliterated a Wehrmacht attempt to do so. They may have got some troops ashore, but they would have withered away with no maritime logistics support.
@torjones1701
@torjones1701 2 жыл бұрын
I would have thought that A-10's would also be really good in this situation as the Warthog can also operate from rough air strips.
@traildogisla
@traildogisla 2 жыл бұрын
Would get mobbed by the 109s
@torjones1701
@torjones1701 2 жыл бұрын
@@traildogisla considering the 350kn "minimum speed" assigned by Cap, you have a fair point.
@grimreapers
@grimreapers 2 жыл бұрын
Also too wide to operate from the roads.
@michaeltaylor8835
@michaeltaylor8835 2 жыл бұрын
GR your videos are tops
@ryanbrewis6990
@ryanbrewis6990 2 жыл бұрын
Well, excellent thing then that Sealion was an absolute travesty of an operation and would have ended in disaster if ever launched. Fun side note, the map you showed of the invasion plan at the beginning? Apparently Wightlion was on the cards too. So that's my Sealionista induced trauma returning.
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