Could Mike Barnes Beat Johnny, Chozen, Bobby, and Dutch?
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Күн бұрынWho is the best fighter? Ken ranks Mike Barnes, Johnny Lawrence, Chozen, Bobby, Dutch and Tommy, the top teen enemies to fight Daniel LaRusso from the first three Karate Kid movies. All of these characters could appear and fight in future seasons of Cobra Kai.
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The Cobra Kai students from Karate Kid Part I, Johnny, Bobby Brown, Dutch and Tommy were trained by John Kreese. All lost to Daniel LaRusso except Bobby, who was disqualified. Chozen, from Karate Kid Part II, trained under his uncle Sato, and started a fight to the death with Daniel. Finally, Mike Barnes from Karate Kid Part III was known as Karate's "Bad Boy" and "Tournament Terror," and hired by Terry Silver to defeat Daniel LaRusso.
This analysis goes over each fighter in detail, and examines how they did against Daniel LaRusso. It also considers how much skill, experience and injury Daniel had at the time of each fight.
0:00 Intro
0:40 The Cobras
1:43 Tommy
2:03 Dutch
2:46 Bobby Brown
3:30 Johnny Lawrence
5:14 Best Cobra
7:09 Chozen
10:35 Mike Barnes
12:26 Criteria and Ranking
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@davidcardinales8939 2 жыл бұрын
Due to his lifelong rigorous training practicing Karate, Barnes became an extremely strong and powerful master martial artist, making him arguably one of the most dangerous fighters in the entire franchise, despite his youth back in the day. Barnes became the best up-and-coming professional Karate fighter in the country, as he was a tenth-degree black belt and labeled the "tournament terror". Barnes' skill was great enough that he bested the All-Valley tournaments candidates with ease and was able to repeatedly got the better of Daniel numerous times despite the latter's confrontations with his past opponents. Barnes is a highly aggressive fighter, overwhelming his opponents with his speed and intense combinations. He is an underhanded fighter, perfectly willing to cheat to win, or to demoralize his opponent. His aggression however can be a weakness as he can be suckered by a good counter-fighter, which occurred against Daniel in the sudden death round of the finals of the All Valley Tournament. Chozen is currently the second best fighter in the Miyagi-Verse just under You-Know-Who, Johnny and Daniel are equal fighters (although I would give an edge to Daniel due to him learning the pressure point techniques), Kreese is shown to be strong and powerful but is past his prime and Bobby, despite being a little rusty, shows he's still got it. I wonder what skill level will Terry Silver and Mike Barnes have in the upcoming future?
@KenCole 2 жыл бұрын
Great comment and excellent question question at the end!
@davidcardinales8939 2 жыл бұрын
@@KenCole Thank You!
@davidcardinales8939 2 жыл бұрын
@Mike H Johnny Lawrence vs. Mike Barnes - Strength: Johnny - Speed: Johnny - Skill: Mike - Durability: Mike - Intelligence: Mike
@davidcardinales8939 2 жыл бұрын
@Mike H Mike has more experience. He's a tenth-degree black belt which means he has been a Karate for 10-12 years minimum, Johnny has only been doing Karate for 5 years, which means he's a first degree black belt. Mike is like Johnny 2x.
@davidcardinales8939 2 жыл бұрын
@Mike H Terry Silver and even Daniel have said that Mike is better than Johnny.
@johngoduto135 Жыл бұрын
It was generally accepted that Johnny was the #1 fighter at Cobra Kai. This implies that Johnny has beaten Bobby in previous competitions within the Cobra Kai dojo.
@lordvader8502 Жыл бұрын
Doesn't nessacarily mean he is better kinda like hawke beating Robby in the finals
@johngoduto135 Жыл бұрын
But Johnny was always the one leading the class. Not Bobby.
@guzmanfel Жыл бұрын
@@johngoduto135 in fact in cobra kai comic, bobby was the only one who managed to beat him failry in a fight, probably bobby needed to practice more than him
@Chris-qo4rt Жыл бұрын
Yes but by 1984 it's possible that Bobby had surpassed Johnny and would've won if he didn't get himself disqualified.
@guzmanfel Жыл бұрын
@@johngoduto135 its obvious when you're the "teachers pet", kreese always favored him, kreese wanted merciless fighters and a "good guy" like bobby wasnt a good material for him, in the cobra kai comic, theres a issue where bobby/johnny are sparring, during the practice bobby beats johnny and extend his hand to help him,but kreese swepts bobby for showing mercy and scold johnny for losing
@abrahemsamander3967 Жыл бұрын
Bobby definitely deserves more credit. That flying side kick is a work of beauty. I think his actor is actually a jujitsu sensei.
@KillaSin515 Жыл бұрын
He is a sixth degree black belt in Kodendkan Ju-Jitsu
@guzmanfel Жыл бұрын
@@KillaSin515 and 1st degre in karate
@aarongidudu3823 2 ай бұрын
Bobby could’ve beat danny and Johnny
@rich926 Жыл бұрын
Chozen has continuosly immersed himself in martial arts his entire life, while everyone else was getting married and focusing on their careers.
@guzmanfel Жыл бұрын
also add his good habits, johnny spent a lot of his life in the alcohol and junk (instamts food,sole bologna,candies) meanwhile chozen tried to avoid alcohol the majority of his life,good habit helps a lot too
@danielramos6325 7 ай бұрын
Same here
@RestlessThoughts Жыл бұрын
Ron Thomas who played Bobby was already a 2nd degree black belt in The Karate Kid so it's no surprise he looks like a strong fighter. Just going by actor skill/belt level, he is the most skilled of Daniel's rivals. But Sean Kanan who played Mike Barnes did that last tournament fight after surgery to stop life threatening internal bleeding from injuries on the set, doing the scene with staples all up and down his abdomen, which is pretty badass :P
@guzmanfel Жыл бұрын
in fact he was the most skilled of the 5 cobras in real life
@ThunderFist1978 2 жыл бұрын
Mr. Miyagi: “If do right, no can defense.” Chozen: “Hold my sake.”
@jameshodge1517 2 жыл бұрын
You're Funny Dude! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@jameshodge1517 2 жыл бұрын
I'd go for "Thunderstruck" from the movie Battleship
@johnnydoe6717 2 жыл бұрын
Daniel had tight ass jeans on in the 2nd fight thus wasn’t able to do the crane properly 🤪
@guzmanfel 2 жыл бұрын
@@johnnydoe6717 not only that,sato personally trained him,the martial arts constantly evolve
@HoundsOfBusiness 2 жыл бұрын
@@johnnydoe6717 cursed by the 80's jeans lol
@jeff97ish 2 жыл бұрын
In a straight up fight, Chozen. Due to learning all his life.
@Mr_Lucas 2 жыл бұрын
That’s like saying Samantha beats Miguel because she has known karate all her life
@jeff97ish 2 жыл бұрын
@@Mr_Lucas How old are you? 12?
@Mr_Lucas 2 жыл бұрын
@@jeff97ish no but i used that as prime example
@jeff97ish 2 жыл бұрын
@@Mr_Lucas it's cool. Just messing with you.
@Mr_Lucas 2 жыл бұрын
@@jeff97ish ok?
@Synphus Жыл бұрын
When I heard Mike Barnes was coming to Cobra Kai I was excited. I felt they didn't use him enough. I was disappointed when he was knocked out from behind and then Johnny had to fight everyone himself.
@openingshift7070 3 ай бұрын
Probably so that Chozen and Johnny can have their best moments and they’re saving Mike for season 6. Remember Mike hadn’t trained in over 30 something years so it wouldn’t be right for him to just beat everyone right off the bat but at the same time show that he has the potential to. When Mike starts training again everyone’s gonna be in for a treat come season 6
@johnthompson3856 3 ай бұрын
I hope they all are together in season 6 because the funniest thing in season 5 was when Mike barns wanted to go to Silvers house and Johnny became friends with him instantly! 😂😂😂
@user-bl3gh8rs2v 3 ай бұрын
Barnes sint he only person from like the trilogy who’s making an appearance I’ve heard that Bobby Brown is also coming to Cobra Kai in season 6
@guzmanfel 3 ай бұрын
@@user-bl3gh8rs2v in s2 and s3 he only made cameos
@user-bl3gh8rs2v 3 ай бұрын
I know but I heard he’s coming back in season 6with Dutch I think @@guzmanfel
@greghughes6098 2 жыл бұрын
You forget one enormous point. In the original movies, both Daniel and Miyagi are wrapped in plot armor.
@KenCole 2 жыл бұрын
It’s true.
@toaster4141 Жыл бұрын
Yeah but Miyagi gets a pass
@staysolidshades254 Жыл бұрын
Romans 10:9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.d d
@tamatoeketchup2063 Жыл бұрын
@@KenCole also in cobra kai in a deleted scene we find out that Johnny wasn't in a right state of mind and was thinking about Ally
@Vsm426 Жыл бұрын
@@staysolidshades254 hail Satan
@kagemaru259 2 жыл бұрын
Chozen learned personally from Sato, has a direct lineage to Miyagi-Do and trained US Marines on Okinawa, likely still doing so now that Sato has passed on. He would destroy Barnes.
@dimitrescu182 2 жыл бұрын
I agree with this one.
@douglasskropelnicki2866 2 жыл бұрын
I agree. If Barns and Chozen met in the street Chozen wins easy. In a tournament Barns has a better chance but still losses I think.
@kagemaru259 2 жыл бұрын
@@douglasskropelnicki2866 I could see Chozen having difficulty holding back as he's not a light-contact point fighter and many Barnes could use that to his advantage, but when you think about it, Barnes' main strategy was just charging at you with kicks and punches
@douglasskropelnicki2866 2 жыл бұрын
@Vaggod1 I wont argue he is the best in THIS country but Chosen is Okinawan so if they ever faced Chosen would win.
@douglasskropelnicki2866 2 жыл бұрын
@Vaggod1 Chozen vs Daniel and Barnes vs Daniel doesn't give a realistic outcome to Chozen vs Barnes. Barnes is a karate champion in the US and Chozen is a Okinawan karate expert. Those are not even comparable. I have years of combat sports experience with wresting, boxing, and a little in MMA but I have gotten the opportunity to spar high level karate point fighters. It was fun and an honor as they were very skilled and I learned a lot but when I sparred an Okinawan it was a totally different level. Remember we are talking about a US karate dojo in the late 80's vs karate taught in Okinawa. They are NOT the same. The best karate point fighters trained in the US would not stand a chance against an Okinawan trained karate expert in a street fight. Even if Barnes was able to give Chozen any trouble with strikes Chozen could simply take the fight to the ground where he would easily subdue Barnes.
@Joreel 2 жыл бұрын
One thing I always found interesting is that Bobby actually had a conscience. He knew that he'd be disqualified if he did the illegal kick and even tried to talk Kreese out of it because he honestly believed he could beat Daniel fairly. Even after doing the kick he was right there apologising to Daniel for doing it because he knew it was wrong and afterwords you could see he hated himself for doing it. I also loved that even though he lost to a kick to the head, Johnny acknowledge that Daniel won cleanly.
@JasonGroom 2 жыл бұрын
Isn't the question really did he have a conscience when he didn't want to do it, or did he not want to be disqualified because he wanted to win. I agree he was sorry for doing it after, but before, he really thought he could win and I think that's why he didn't send to do it
@johnbush5347 2 жыл бұрын
You got it backwards, it's not him trying to talk kreese out of it, if he had a care about it he wouldn't have done it, kreese wasn't in the match , Bobby was
@LoneWolf-sr9qb 2 жыл бұрын
Bruh crane kick is illegal move,so daniel won dirty
@jamesworleyiii2797 2 жыл бұрын
Johnny was clearly Kreese's #1 (favorite, not necessarily best) student, so he probably didn't want to risk Johnny losing to Bobby in the final. Also curious as to why, when there is a potential student in your dojo (when Daniel and Miyagi go to visit) and you want to have a sparring session, you wouldn't want to put your two best students against each other to show off, rather then have Bobby vs. a lesser opponent. But Bobby's attitude throughout the movie was very different from the other CK's, which makes me wonder if it weren't for karate, would Bobby even be friends with Johnny or the others?
@sharundeva4780 2 жыл бұрын
Yea and in the deleted scene we can see that Bobby removes his black belt and throws to the floor to Kreese, like a sign of disgust in cheat match and quitting, and walks away. Bobby is a nice dude.
@NonnofYobiznes Жыл бұрын
*MY VOTE IS FOR BOBBY* *When Kreese tells him to put Daniel out of commission and he says "But Sensei, I can beat this guy", that sounds like the most factual statement in the whole tournament part. He wasn't fueled by anger or cockiness. He seemed like the most straight out dude, even defending Daniel at times. He's got a nice emotional and skill balance, not to mention probably more experience than Daniel.* *It's important to remember Daniel's victories were pretty much powered by the adrenaline and human survival instinct that kicks in when life and safety are at risk, this enhances human performance, like a drug* *MY VOTE IS FOR BOBBY, THE MOST NORMAL GUY IN THE WHOLE SERIES* 🏆🏆🏆
@ezanamelekot6796 10 ай бұрын
What about Mike? Mike would've defeated Daniel 3-0 scores if Terry didn't told him to purposely lose his points and makes the fight to sudden death. Kresse stated that Johnny wasn't focused when he was fighting with Daniel because Daniel was dating with Johnny's ex girilfriend. In plus at some point Johnny scores one point to Daniel but since it was too fast and he was in the other agel the refree didn't saw it. And he might be right because if you saw his other fights he fought very well. He dfeated his other fighters 3-0 including Vidal Darl who was 3rd degree bkack belt and 1981 all vally champion. In plus Bobby before he fought with Daniel one gyìuy scored him a point and Bobby got frustrated before he defeat him. In plus if Bobby was really better than Johnny then why he didn't won in the previuous years tournament?
@OlJackBurton 2 жыл бұрын
In the third movie Daniel trained very little with Miyagi and more with Silver, who actually sabotaged Daniel's training. So Daniel regressed and was not in his best form of all time or even compared to the end of the second movie...
@red._.thunderyt5472 Жыл бұрын
This is pure facts
@warpitexis2341 Жыл бұрын
That doesn't mean you forget all the Training you had before. Also the only thing Silver eally did was maake him more angry and brutal
@edntz Жыл бұрын
@@warpitexis2341 he did remember his ''best karate'', and that's when he beat barnes.
@OlJackBurton Жыл бұрын
@@warpitexis2341 All that anger and emotion made Daniel lose focus and balance so he lost his true power. As soon as he regained his focus and balance he easily countered Barnes. He wasn't just lucky...
@davejohn3600 Жыл бұрын
Barnes was humiliating Daniel even before he trained with Silver.
@ApolloBalboa-el9fc 2 жыл бұрын
It has always dumbfounded me that Daniel seemed more afraid of Barnes versus Chozen. Chozen was trained in Miagi do. Chozen trained his whole life and wanted to kill Daniel. Barnes was a bully who fought for money and dojo ownership. Thoughts?
@Mark-px8jt 2 жыл бұрын
That was Terry's plan throughout he film, he worked on Daniels psychology to make him fear Mike. Terry made Daniel feel really tough with the moves he taught him, and then Daniel found those moves were useless against Barnes so he probably felt helpless.
@user-oh9zp9jx1i 2 жыл бұрын
Also now and chozen prob gonna help daniel in season 4because terry and John is back what if Mike is back so we could see a trios I meant John Reese and also that’s a theory for cobra kai
@irvinalexanderflores 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly mike didn't even seem super skilled, like his attacks didn't look special or anything compared to Johnny, and Chozen. So it's just weird to me that Daniel couldn't even touch him.
@Mark-px8jt 2 жыл бұрын
@@irvinalexanderflores Daniel hit him in the face when they first fought but it didn't bother Mike. Mike seemed really resilient to pain.
@JasonSmith-om4lr 2 жыл бұрын
I agree, kk3 was an awful cash grab film. Kk2 should have been the end, kk2 and kk3 should be flipped, because 3 doesn't make sense.
@jonathanvelazquezph.d.2719 2 жыл бұрын
Silver was right, Johnny has always been Kreese's weakness. He was clearing the path for Johnny to win the tournament again. Kreese probably knew Bobby was the best! As for Bobby versus Barnes, I'm not sure 🤔.
@prime4851 2 жыл бұрын
In 1985, it would be Mike but present day it depends
@MrZZsharka 2 жыл бұрын
@@prime4851 Remember you’re comparing a 1985 Mike to a 1984 Johnny. A year can make a big difference at that age in terms of strength and power. And also experience e.g. Barns a year before we saw him or a 1985 Johnny with the extra strength and skill.
@prime4851 2 жыл бұрын
@@MrZZsharka Johnny quit cobra Kai the year before. And we don’t even know how old Mike is but Johnny was in senior year in 1984. It may not be huge in terms of strength because of a one year difference but I figure that Mike is in his early 20’s or same age as Johnny. Even then we can’t assume who won simply because we are here 40 years after what happened
@blackdynamiteSJC 2 жыл бұрын
Naw Booby says in season 2 that Johnny kicked his ass to win the year before. So thats a big hit to the Bobby theory but it's is possible.
@ubereem1027 2 жыл бұрын
@@blackdynamiteSJC you're thinking of tommy, while I do agree johnny was better than bobby, he did do worse in the tournament due to his confidence being shattered from the beating by miyagi which kreese says to terry in s4
@lethalwolf7455 2 жыл бұрын
Chozen trained his entire life in traditional martial arts and even was tasked with teaching hand to hand combat to US special forces. He also comes from a culture of ‘fight to the death’ where the others were after points and trophies. Chosen would definitely be familiar with specifically lethal techniques the other fighters would not have been trained in. It’s a joke to even consider any of the others above him. Mike Barnes might beat in a tournament, but not in an alley.
@chrisbach1533 Жыл бұрын
And look how they handled themselfs against Mr. Miyagi. After one attack of Miyagi, Johnny, Bobby and Barnes were all out cold, while Chozen was still able to call Miyagi a coward. Chozen is made of different clothes like them.
@Thebridgeplayer Жыл бұрын
Miyagi and and the girl helped daniel chozen would have stomped daniel to death if it was not for that scarf
@SevuhnElevuhn Жыл бұрын
speaking facts
@MyLife-og2kr Жыл бұрын
The most important is Chozen trained US military police. That's the end all be all. They're not going to be trained by just any mere Tournament trained fighters. It was plot armor that Daniel beat Chozen.
@guzmanfel Жыл бұрын
@@MyLife-og2kr chozen was mentally f.... up remember after he heard his uncle saying "you're dead to me" that affected his mind
@gecruxer3869 2 жыл бұрын
Who agrees with me that one of the reasons chozen lost to Daniel was because he was tired and hungry after the storm in which he ran away and probably didn’t get much rest or food before the fight making him weaker, slower and more consumed by his emotions
@7_cks700 Жыл бұрын
chozen is the number 1
@Thebridgeplayer Жыл бұрын
He did not loose because of that he lost because the girl put her scarf around his neck chozen would have won if she was not there and miyagi helped Daniel get out of a choke
@davejohn3600 Жыл бұрын
Barnes had to fight an entire tournament of fighters to get to Daniel who only had to fight him.
@Thebridgeplayer Жыл бұрын
@@davejohn3600 but daniel did not have much help since no one put a scarf on barnes
@Charlsmagne 8 ай бұрын
@@Thebridgeplayer as you can see chozen broke a stone after getting choked where the scarf would be easily teared by chozen if we calculate joules
@ShawnHall 2 жыл бұрын
"Then Chozen pummels Daniel's face with more kicks" I cracked up so hard when I heard that.
@graylonperson9012 2 жыл бұрын
😂🤣🤣
@TheTrueMariWho 2 жыл бұрын
Bobby: *points at Mike Barnes* “but I can beat this guy!”
@Zurround 2 жыл бұрын
NO way in hell. Mike Barnes was the MAIN VILLAIN (at least main "teen" villain) in the THIRD movie and there is a literary rule in plot devicing of movies that the villains need to get progressively more difficult, he was a NATIONAL level champion and FAMOUS for it and his skills were INCREDIBLE. You really think Bobby Brown who was only Kreese's SECOND best student (yes there is debate about him vs Johnny and maybe its close like 51, 49 but I still say Johnny is better than him overall even if only a tiny bit). No way Bobby is even putting up a decent fight much less winning against Mike Barnes.
@neogenesis0038 2 жыл бұрын
@@Zurround "...villains need to get progressively more difficult...." Truth. See Dragon Ball Z for confirmation
@Zurround 2 жыл бұрын
@@neogenesis0038 Not sure what you are getting at. How can you compare Karate Kid to Dragon Ball Z?
@neogenesis0038 2 жыл бұрын
It was a joke. But DBZ's villains always get stronger and stronger, and the main characters had to train and find different techniques to win.
@Zurround 2 жыл бұрын
@@neogenesis0038 Well sometimes the hero becomes less powerful so a villain might be toned down but still pose a threat. I think Clubber Lang in Rocky 3 was inferior to Apollo (the Apollo in the movie Rocky 3 was kind of past his prime and might not have beaten Clubber but I mean the younger version Rocky faced) but Rocky got soft. "Tommy Gunn" in Rocky 5 was absolutely no match for Ivan Drago from Rocky 4 and "Mason Dixon" from Rocky Balboa would have lost to Tommy Gunn but Rocky was getting older and more infirm too. But with Karate Kid there CAN be debate over who would win between Mike Barnes and Chozen there can be no serious debate with Johnny against either of those 2. Too big a deal was made in the plot over how superior they were and it would not fit story narrative.
@alittlekittycat21 Жыл бұрын
I personally believe the reason why Johnny had a hard time with an injured Daniel was because of the emotions that were going through him from what Kreese had ordered. I don’t actually believe that he was perfectly capable in that moment. I’m sure he was consciously confused whether he was doing the right thing or not. Kreese is a master manipulator, if he could get Bobby to forfeit his chances, then Johnny was probably fueled with morality conflict. In turn messing with his ability to stay focused. I truly believe that he is a stronger fighter than what he showed during the 1984 tournament; however, I agree with your assessment overall.
@hottnix Жыл бұрын
Absolutely! You can tell Johnny was surprise about Kreeses orders for Bobby.
@guzmanfel Жыл бұрын
johnny was a sportman, probably he was proud of winnning the other 2 all valley with his sole skills, but after hearing kreese sayin "Sweep the leg" he was like "he's injured, its not fair" but its obvious that his admiration and also fear of kreese made him doin that illegal moves
@veshremy_fan1234 Жыл бұрын
Yes Johnny is best
@phillipjohnson4415 Жыл бұрын
@@veshremy_fan1234 do you think Johnny can beat Daniel and a tournament in a Street fighter
@hezekiahrowland9006 Жыл бұрын
True, and also Kreese states that Johnny was his best fighter.
@godzillavskong6802 Жыл бұрын
WOW !!!! Awesome , breakdown , of all the fighters!!!! Thank you !!! Extremely , Interesting !!!!
@RuleNo2NoNames 2 жыл бұрын
In this Cobra Kai series I love how Chosen has redeem himself and came into light. I am very excited to see him team up with Daniel in next season 5.
@mikelightowler5220 2 жыл бұрын
Same here! Chozen and Daniel teaming up was definitely something I never expected. I seriously hope we get to see some kind of redemption arc for robby and tori as well.
@wild8074 2 жыл бұрын
👍
@oilersfan3442 2 жыл бұрын
They also did mention mention dutch in S2, and kreese was framed and sent to jail so its likely that if the dutch actor comes back kreese could run into him
@lawrwncemitchell9955 2 жыл бұрын
@@oilersfan3442 Chad McQueen the actor who played Dutch is serving Prison time right now !!!!!💯
@robdykejr Жыл бұрын
Chozen is the best fighter, overall. Barnes would win in a tournament, Chozen would win in reality.
@AlbanianMan 2 жыл бұрын
Chozen is the best fighter hands down. He's from the Miyagi lineage from where karate was invented. I always maintain that Daniel regressed big time in the 3rd movie (as evidenced by his weight gain) and that's why he had such a hard time with Barnes. He also had an extremely whiny demeanor which he really didn't have in the first two films. I think Chozen would have mopped the floor with Barnes.
@KenCole 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting.
@AlbanianMan 2 жыл бұрын
@@KenCole Yes it is. Also note in the 2nd movie, he was able to break six blocks of ice with ease. In the 3rd movie, he struggled to break single pieces of wood of which the dummy was constructed of. Daniel clearly wasn't the same fighter in part 3 and had allowed himself to become soft.
@GodFallYT 2 жыл бұрын
You got the point there
@AlbanianMan 2 жыл бұрын
@@GodFallYT He looked like shit in the 3rd movie both appearance wise and in his karate. The only reason he won in the end was because of Barnes’s/Silver’s asinine plan with that “gain a point lose a point“ crap which is what ultimately did them in. Part 3 had the potential to be good with the storyline and characters but was just horribly executed.
@proskillz404 2 жыл бұрын
That's a very interesting observation, never really thought about it that way.
@AvoiidedCK Жыл бұрын
Perfect ranking I agree great video Ken!
@KenCole Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@splendidmonkey 2 жыл бұрын
It would make sense for Chosen to be the strongest, given that he seems more mature and acts as an actual mob enforcer of sorts. Still, based on performance portrayed in the movies, I have to say Barnes as he clearly has the easiest time handling Daniel.
@aaronhanks3791 2 жыл бұрын
I disagree. Chozen is the best of all of them. He literally grew up in the karate life, and worked for a gangster, so he most likely used his skills on a regular basis, in real world situations. Additionally, in Chozen's fight with Daniel, 2 people had to help Daniel beat Chozen: First, the girl distracted Chozen by wrappinig her scarf around his neck while Daniel was in a vulnerable position. Chozen could have ended Daniel were it not for the interference. Secondly, Mr Myagi had to instruct Daniel to "step back" to get out of the choke hold. Daniel didn't even know how to escape a basic choke hold without being coached on the spot. Again, Chozen could have ended Daniel right then and there were it not for interference. Chozen is the greatest.
@Laz911 2 жыл бұрын
I agree. Barnes looks great in the tournament, but I doubt he ever fought for his life. Chozen, as you stated, LIVED Karate. In a real fight, I'd take Chozen over Barnes
@flightofthebumblebee9529 2 жыл бұрын
It depends. In their prime? Chozen. During Cobra Kai? Barnes. The guy is a BEAST now.
@henriquenunes3255 2 жыл бұрын
I agree. Always felt like KK2 and KK3 should be swaped. For someone who defeated Chozen, Daniel struggled way too much with Barnes Just because it is a sequel. I feel like in cobra kai, Gen X characters (Johnny, Daniel, chozen and eventually mike in future seasons) are the strongest compared to the Teens and the older ones (kreese and terry). I know that terrys actor is younger than daniels, but in universe kreese and silver should be more or less the same age. If Barnes actually continued doing karate, he could be the only real physical threat to Johnny and daniel, so cobra kai might need him for season 5.
@Cobra658 2 жыл бұрын
Don't you think Barnes could've killed Daniel multiple times if it weren't for Myagi. Plus Barnes had to fight Daniel with all the training from previous movies.
@billystutz55 2 жыл бұрын
Strong points
@GameOver321 Жыл бұрын
This was just an amazing video on so many levels. Ty
@KenCole Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@dkd8747 Жыл бұрын
I love analogies like this stuff you never thought of but interesting
@strategic1710 2 жыл бұрын
I don’t even think this is a debate. As fictional characters, Chozen might be able to beat 3 of them simultaneously. He looked to have real world experience and weapons training such that a tournament would’ve been child’s play to him. Daniel winning the tourney was possible, but in reality Chozen would have killed him, and probably pretty quick and easy.
@chojinkid 2 жыл бұрын
still Chozen lost to Daniel in a street fight with no rules, while Daniel never had a chance to beat Mike in a street fight and even in the tournament he won only by luck by scoring a single golden point, Mike also proved to be a skilled street aggressor, so what makes you think he didn't have real world experience? seemed pretty good at harassing and bullying people in real life to me. Mike is no doubt the worst opponent Daniel had in his youth.
@GC0077 2 жыл бұрын
@@chojinkid Only because Daniel knew the one technique Miyagi's karate had to counter itself. Remember, Mr Miyagi's father told him only to use it as a last resort, meaning if you're about to get killed, this is the only thing that will save you. In that fight, Chozen was going to kill him and Miyagi knew it.
@strategic1710 2 жыл бұрын
@@chojinkid what I mean is that if you place this movie in reality Daniel winning the tourney is unlikely but still possible, but he would’ve been killed by Chozen unless something crazy happened. Daniel, mike, and Johnny are tourney fighters with rules and refs, but Chozen probably fought for his life, knew weapons, it wasn’t a hobby to him, and likely was training since he could walk. An Israeli black ops agent would kill Floyd Mayweather pretty quickly out of sheer instinct.
@kagemaru259 2 жыл бұрын
@@strategic1710 And Chozen likely trained in the traditional Okinawan ways under Sato, such as conditioning on the makiwara. His hands and feet probably hit like stone.
@bryceburnett8996 2 жыл бұрын
You also have to consider that the whole movie with Barnes, Daniel's life was in turmoil. Miagi had refused to train him to defend his title, he had met a girl who, quite honestly, seemed a bit unstable relationship-wise who eventually left, almost immediately after finding the love of his life in the girl from Okinawa who ALSO denied being with Daniel, Silva was "training" him in a way contrary to Daniel's character as a decent guy with a merciful heart, trying to help his mentor establish and run a small business and having big dreams of becoming successful in business suddenly being destroyed when the Banzai tree was broken, and the constant threat by the terror campaign by Barnes and his two cronies at any given moment since Barnes knew were he lived. Daniel's life was a mess at this point and I would argue that he was not at his highest level of skill. The terror campaign alone is enough to totally throw a person off his "game". My thought is that in a real life combat type situation, Chozen would annihilate Barnes because Chosen had no qualms with killing a person in the name of honor and definitely had the tools to do so. Look how he destroyed the Marines, who were actually trained to kill during a fight AND being trained by Chozen himself, his uncles best fighter. Barnes' whole shtick was mind games and confidence, as well as good training and ability. He would make a great intelligence officer, imho. However, my list would be Johnny and Bobby as a tie for third, Barnes, and then Chozen.
@NintendoCapriSun 2 жыл бұрын
I love Dutch's reverse kick. He's basically like Ace Ventura, "Let's see that... in an instant replay!" I have high hopes that we'll get to see more of Bobby in S4 of Cobra Kai. Between the "Take A Right" episode and the brief S3 moment in which he decks Johnny mid-sermon, I'd say the guy's still got it.
@KenCole 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah Bobby vs any main character in a big fight would be awesome.
@justthinking650 2 жыл бұрын
the fact that he is now a pastor made it all the better
@shaunigothictv1003 2 жыл бұрын
@@KenCole Hi Ken. Excellent analysis. I wish you would have wrote the scripts for the karate kid movies - they would have been so much more fun. Nevertheless, I still liked them. Regarding Karate Kid 3: Ironically, Terry Silvers training actually helped Daniel after all - as without it, Mike Barnes would have put Daniel in hospital in the first few points of the tournament match at the end of this movie. The training was designed to toughen Daniel up - and it worked! So Terry Silver was actually a brilliant trainer and coach despite his evil ways. I really enjoyed your video analysis on Terry Silver and I was wondering if you are going to do a video analysis on Mr.Miyagi? Also, do you agree with my stance on Terry Silvers training results as stated above? If not, why not?
@KenCole 2 жыл бұрын
@@shaunigothictv1003 Thank you for the comment! I think that's a fascinating point - he'd already endured a lot of pain at the hands of Terry and Mike, so that may have helped him in the tournament. That's another subtle point that didn't really get addressed in the movie but would have been interesting to explore - Miyagi could have helped him understand his strength in enduring that torture.
@shaunigothictv1003 2 жыл бұрын
@@KenCole Thanks. Peace Ken.
@vijayvijay4123 11 ай бұрын
Nice analysis 👍
@kristijansudra3727 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome review i really like it !!
@lufa7886 2 жыл бұрын
i like how the intro is just daniel getting his ass kicked
@KenCole 2 жыл бұрын
🙏🏼
@kagemaru259 2 жыл бұрын
He basically spent all three movies getting his ass kicked....
@koolaiddudeawesome9850 2 жыл бұрын
@@kagemaru259 and people say he is the ACTUAL bully smh
@josepatrickmadayag2602 2 жыл бұрын
The fight between Chozen and Daniel happened after Chozen was publicly shamed and disowned (during the typhoon incident) by Sato... his own Sensei... Imagine if Daniel was publicly shamed and disowned by Mr. Miyagi. For a martial artist, this disgrace and dishonor is too much to handle. This was a devastating blow to him, and may have weighed Chozen down during the fight. Mike Barnes on the other hand owned the world in the third movie... he had all the support he needed, that was provided by Terrence "Terry" Silver.
@easygrin1127 2 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't that have made him more motivated?
@JonRGP 2 жыл бұрын
@@easygrin1127 In western culture, it might have been a motivator but you got to understand that chozen is native okinawan/japanese so honor and respect especially from people you look up to is devastating. Also people forget that chozen and Johnny have been mentally and physically tortured in varying degree through out their films compared to Barnes.
@lawrwncemitchell9955 2 жыл бұрын
@@easygrin1127 No less focused.
@GHN1013 Жыл бұрын
Of all those guys, Darryl Vidal is the true martial artist here. He even doubled as Mr Miyagi during the crane kick scene on the beach.
@MF-cq9hs 10 ай бұрын
They should bring him back shihan Darryl Locust valley karate do dojo 😊
@kingaculxn 2 жыл бұрын
1: Chozen 2: The Bad Boy Barns 3: Bobby Brown 4: Johnny Law 5: Dannyboy
@kissarmy7212 2 жыл бұрын
Chozen takes it hands down with Johnny as a close second IMO
@andersoncaipe8474 2 жыл бұрын
Realistically Barnes wins, weight classes exist for a reason, but it’s a show so I guess it can happen.
@m655john 2 жыл бұрын
One final note; Bobby didn’t need to be vicious, he was that much more skilled and controlled.
@SonNathan 11 ай бұрын
You have to remember that Daniel was not focused on any of his fights with barns unlike he was with chozen and Johnny and if Daniel was focused he would put up way better fights against barns and at the end of kk3 when the final moment when Daniel is finally focused Daniel instantly wins
@brushwolf 9 ай бұрын
More thumbs up for this comment please.
@yup_pea Жыл бұрын
Awesome video 👍 I really enjoyed this 😀
@KenCole Жыл бұрын
Thank you Rob!
@josephcamenzind1305 2 жыл бұрын
I go with Chozen. It seemed like he was older, probably in his early 20s. Given his uncle trained him, he probably started the earliest. Finally, he trained US military adult men in his uncles DoJo in Okinawa.
@madmaxheisenberg9310 2 жыл бұрын
Yep
@jessedukelacrosse6470 2 жыл бұрын
In reality Daniel was the oldest besides miyagi, kreese , terry silver was younger than Daniel too
@Mystrohan 2 жыл бұрын
@@jessedukelacrosse6470 I think you mean Ralph Macchio.
@darthtrip7188 2 жыл бұрын
@@jessedukelacrosse6470 Chozen's actor is older than Ralph Macchio.
@John-ct9zs 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah I always thought Chozen was like a 20-22 year old guy. Chozen carried himself like a man, opposed to a high school bully like Johnny or even Mike Barnes. Chozen didn't seem like a 16 or 17 year old teenager at all, or even 18 or 19.
@dakotacrosby3057 2 жыл бұрын
Chozen was already a karate instructor when we see him in Karate kid part 2. Plus he's proven to know everything in Miyagi do Karate even the lethal moves.
@dogbastardly6101 Жыл бұрын
I love this analysis...it makes the film actually feel real!
@KenCole Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@jm7967 2 жыл бұрын
The entire saga is about balance, which includes emotion. From everything we have seen so far, Bobby had the best balance of skill and emotion. Today however, Chozen seems to have matched his continuing knowledge and skills with an emotional reset. Chozen is the most dangerous at this point!
@Treachery93 2 жыл бұрын
According to the The Karate Kid book, Johnny and Bobby fought for the title the year before and Johnny won. I pick Chozen as #1. Mike Barns has national recognition and is highly aggressive but he fights within tournament rules which does not translate well in a real street fight. Chozen fights for old-school honor and he is prepared to kill for it. Chozen also was trained in the more traditional methods by Sato. Fighting a person who fights for honor would be more dangerous than your average street fight. Chosen edges Barnes to be #1.
@dynamicvoltage9765 2 жыл бұрын
OK well Chozen lost a fight to the death against a guy that had like 3 months karate training. So apparently he's not very good at that.
@johnbush5347 2 жыл бұрын
@@dynamicvoltage9765 n that fight is the only non tourney fight Daniel ever won
@johnbush5347 2 жыл бұрын
Let's not forget that Daniel beat Johnny with an illegal move n if not for that Johnny has 3 straight all valley titles
@don8764 2 жыл бұрын
Mike beats Chozen
@urmomgae5882 2 жыл бұрын
@@dynamicvoltage9765 bruh that was plot armor cuz of the bs drums lmao
@KevAng039 2 жыл бұрын
“Can we see these fighters fight each other in the future?” Yes we most likely will see Johnny vs Mike at some point.
@AnotherToyReview Жыл бұрын
Cool video. Thank you!
@Istiakhbd 2 жыл бұрын
Beautiful video
@Jtrain3643 2 жыл бұрын
Bobby gets my vote. He was well rounded clearly a skilled fighter, but unlike the others his emotions did not control his decisions. On top of that he was the only to prove that he could sacrifice himself if necessary.
@davida6146 2 жыл бұрын
Yes! Karate is a lot about self control which of all of them, Bobby mastered the most. He gets my vote though I'm unsure how he'd hold against Mike given Mike is very aggressive perhaps the most of them all. It'd be Mike doing offensive karate vs Bobby doing defensive karate. I'd like to see this fight in Cobra Kai. On another note I'd like to see Bobby and Daniel officially bury the hatchet of that kick in 84.
@philybarra2702 2 жыл бұрын
@@davida6146 I second that👍👍
@lawrwncemitchell9955 2 жыл бұрын
He also had a good heart, like when he told Johnny and the others to stop Daniel had enough, at the fence beating, he had empathy for Daniel❤💯
@lawrwncemitchell9955 2 жыл бұрын
@@davida6146 Bobby felt bad right away, kreese made him do that, same as Johnny 😞😢
@jaykisuke3397 2 жыл бұрын
You didn't even know til this guy broke the details down smh you guys are easily influenced by anything
@m655john 2 жыл бұрын
From a skill level Bobby was the smoothest with pinpoint accuracy. Bobby also did not buy into Kreese’s no mercy creed. He had a heart. And let’s face it as far as character goes, who doesn’t love Bobby?
@lawrwncemitchell9955 2 жыл бұрын
I think we can all agree on Bobby having a good heart and we probably all Love him...💯
@alexojideagu Жыл бұрын
I've just looked up prohibited behaviour from the World Karate Federation. BOBBY would have been disqualified in the tournament Montage before even fighting Daniel. 1: Talking to, or goading the opponent, failing to obey the orders of the Referee, discourteous behaviour towards the Refereeing officials, or other breaches of etique
@staysolidshades254 Жыл бұрын
Romans 10:9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.d d
@Vsm426 Жыл бұрын
@@staysolidshades254 hail Satan
@TheShoalguy Жыл бұрын
1. Chozen - he was more skilled all round and would beat Barnes easily even though it appeared Daniel was losing easier to Barnes. Remember Barnes had his croonies with him too which put fear into Daniel. 2. Barnes - yes he was vicious but had a limited move set for mine. Again not up to th skill level of Chozen. 3. Bobby - Agree he was more level headed and could possibly even give Barnes a good run for his money. 4. Johnny - Just behind Bobby would be very close between the two of them.
@carlosbernardinojr8682 2 жыл бұрын
When I think about it if Chozen was to fight in a legitimate tournament I think Mike Barnes would easily win with his tournament experience. Now if its a street fight fighting with no rules this is Chozens area of expertise Mike Barnes wouldn’t stand a chance and he would be history. Chozen is the best of the best fighter overall.
@eastcoast1005 2 жыл бұрын
Chozen is the coolest character of all and best fighter by far.
@justthinking650 2 жыл бұрын
agreed and thats even more spot on after cobra kai s3
@graylonperson9012 2 жыл бұрын
I totally agree
@Zurround 2 жыл бұрын
Imagine Chozen vs a SAME AGE VERSION of Miyagi. Like if you had a magical way of pairing an 18 year old version of Chozen against an 18 year old version of Miyagi. The old Miyagi that almost effortlessly defeated Chozen had decades more experience.
@fallguye6011 2 жыл бұрын
He'd crush Barnes.
@Zurround 2 жыл бұрын
@@fallguye6011 Who? Chozen or Miyagi? Would a 17 year old version of Miyagi beat a 17 year old version of Chozen or Barnes?
@joekarate9424 2 жыл бұрын
Don’t forget Mike fought the most seasoned experienced version of Daniel as well fresh. Daniel didn’t have to fight at all and Mike has several fights that day!
@KenCole 2 жыл бұрын
Great point! Daniel had it easy that tournament.
@HumbleHurricane 2 жыл бұрын
True, however this Daniel wasn't still training after Japan and had stopped until Mike forced him back again. His training with Terry and then Miyagi was his first time training seriously again nearly a year since working with Miyagi in his bonsai shop. So this honestly brings Daniel skill, timing, confidence and overall ability as a fighter down against Mike. Daniel trained again briefly with Miyagi but for an opponent like Mike along with his mental game, tactics etc was too much for a lesser Daniel. I think Daniel was honestly at his prime in Japan before he stopped training afterwards.
@guzmanfel 2 жыл бұрын
not only that, mike was labeled as "The best young fighter in US"
@guzmanfel 2 жыл бұрын
@Mike H in his databook, said that he was the most recent "national champ", is great to love johnny but lets nbe honest johnny was a a nobody compared to him in that time
@Redford-xd3wg 2 жыл бұрын
Daniel was emotionally manipulated that entire movie, even leaving mr miyagi to become a cobra. He also got beat up several times by adults and Mike and his friends, had his life threatened several times and he had no faith in himself in the fight at all. I think he shouldn’t have been that scared after his literal fight to the death in the second movie, but while he had the most training, he switched his trainer who ended up sabotaging him and was not in the right place at all mentally. So in my opinion, not prime at all
@jodl73 2 жыл бұрын
One thing that needs to be considered is that Daniel is the main hero of these movies. The reason Johnny and Chozen has difficulty with Daniel is the script. Daniel’s character is suppose to eventually win.
@pinpoint4644 Жыл бұрын
Ye I think that Daniel was the weakest fighter in the kk movies as he maybe just confused his opponents
@plo617 Жыл бұрын
@@pinpoint4644 I believe that Daniel being so weak, makes him the perfect vessel for Miyagi's defensive fighting style. At least, at a story level. It's what makes his character a big threat. Plot armor aside, of course. The only character that is a serious threat to Daniel is Chozen, who trained under Sato and uses the Miyagi style. Chozen's only problem came from his aggression and his hot headed nature. However, as Cobra Kai has displayed, an older, wiser and reformed Chozen is an absolute threat to any of the characters in the franchise. I believe that Chozen in the that series could probably even give Miyagi (from the original KK) some problems.
@toddjohnson5176 Жыл бұрын
Phenomenal show. 👍🏾👍🏾😊
@paulwhitfield2181 2 жыл бұрын
Although this is just a story we must realize that Daniel wasn’t just fighting one individual but a team of individuals and with Mr. Miyagi’s confidence in Daniel the young man was able to overcome all his obstacles. And just like in any fight on any given day the outcome is a toss up. Mr. Miyagi told Daniel he might not win but he would be respected. This story was about respect and discipline.
@j6p6k6 2 жыл бұрын
Definetly Chozen. I always thought another tournament match after surviving a fight to the death in Okinawa didn’t add up. Mike Barnes’ superiority over Chozen doesn’t make any sense to me.
@lifeWizard435 Жыл бұрын
That was pretty funny stuff. Lots of thought. 👍🏻😆
@KenCole Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it! 😀
@timfurnier7061 10 ай бұрын
The purpose of Kata (sp.) against Mike Barnes wasn't to mess with his head. It was to ground Daniel and calm him so that his best karate would come out; Miyagi had just told Daniel this right before that round. Also, you could see that Daniel was doing well against Barnes while he was calm and concentrated even going as far as to repeatedly evade his blows and make him look ineffectual and foolish. He began to falter only after he got scared. Kata brought balance back to him. MB was mystified as to what was happening, but Silver wasn't. He knew what Daniel was doing, he had fear on his face, and he panicked.
@josephsloop8865 2 жыл бұрын
While Mike dominates Daniel in nearly every fight, I think a lot of this has to do with Barnes getting in Daniel's head and terrifying him. Daniel's greatest enemy in KKIII wasn't Mike Barnes, John Kreese, or Terry Silver. It was himself -- his own fear.
@KenCole 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent point.
@sligen 2 жыл бұрын
Season 3 of Cobra Kai shows this with Sam. Who has proven to keep up and even beat Tori, but thanks to her fear she becomes helpless and easily beaten by Tori. Until she overcomes it and once again beats her.
@flightofthebumblebee9529 2 жыл бұрын
It's ok to lose to opponent, must not lose to FEAR!
@leyvaondabeatz2159 2 жыл бұрын
Nuf said case closed my guy couldn’t of said it any better which is why its a great film its so fuckin realistic to alot of people
@AishiMTA 2 жыл бұрын
I agree with this statement wholly, I think mind games play a big part in Barnes being overwhelmingly strong. It's so realistic as well because mind games happen in every single competitive practice imaginable and it's a fair tactic. I don't know why everyone overlooks this because it adds another layer of depth to the series.
@raby760 2 жыл бұрын
CHOZEN! He's the only one who had the heart to go so far as to fight to the death. He was also the most powerful and strongest. The only reason Chozen lost to Daniel in Karate Kid II was plot armor (not that I'm against Daniel, not that I would have wanted to see Chozen win). It's just obvious that Daniel's training and moves were no where close to the strength and intensity of Chozen, as they portray it, and that the story needed Daniel to win. Karate Kid II's Chozen would have also beat Karate Kid II's Kreese as well (and I'm a Kreese fan and had his "Sweep the Leg" t-shirts since 2007). And it was also the plot that made Daniel weak against Mike Barnes. Karate Kid II Daniel could have put up a stronger fight against Karate Bad Boy Mike Barnes.
@jerometruitt2731 2 жыл бұрын
Daniel also had help. If not for interference he would have been drowned in the water.
@raby760 2 жыл бұрын
@@jerometruitt2731 I forgot about that 👍
@elveintidosdewilmington2417 Жыл бұрын
Bro said plot stmor
@elveintidosdewilmington2417 Жыл бұрын
Armor
@lonniewhite4262 2 жыл бұрын
I go with Chozen #1. I think the fights were different. One was to the death and the others were the tournament. The fight to the death brought out the best in Daniel and elevated him. Chozen lost his temper and lost. But his style was Daniels style wich helped D. The fight with Barnes was not to the death and Daniel was intimidated initially. He was intimidated by Barnes new style. He was not really Cobra Kai style. He was hired. He became angry when Barnes insulted Mr Miyagi. Then he was able to get focused enough to beat Barnes. Barnes fighting style was different so I wonder were he came from?
@Marco-qh7pl 7 ай бұрын
What people never considers, speaking about Mike Barnes is the fact that Daniel wasn't at his best in KK3. He is lost for most part of the movie. He is broken, like the bonsai. He loses guide of Mr Miyagi, he's fooled by Terry Silver, he's devoured by fear. When he faces Barnes in final tournament he's almost paralyzed by fear. He's worse than in KK1 and 2 even if he has more experience.
@chrisbach1533 6 ай бұрын
Thats the point, yes. Some people in the Rocky franchise think Clubber Lang was as strong or stronger then Ivan Drago. He wasnt. Daniel was afraid of Barnes, and Rocky was afraid of Clubber. Rocky was never afraid of Drago, but still Drago was better then Clubber.
@ivim5647 2 жыл бұрын
In my opinion: 1. Chozen 2. Mike 3. Johnny 4. Bobby 5. Dutch 6. Tommy 7. Jimmy
@chooseyourfighter6112 2 жыл бұрын
I’m cobra Kai Johnny says that tommy beat Vidal and almost beat him
@chooseyourfighter6112 2 жыл бұрын
I’d put him above Dutch since the year before 84’ he lost in the finals
@Zurround 2 жыл бұрын
NO. Mike would have very much beaten Chozen unless the fight involved weapons like sword or spear as Chozen specialized in that but if it was a fight NOT involving that kind of weaponry Mike wins.
@davedave827 2 жыл бұрын
Where would you put Jerry from the 1984 Cobra Kai team ?
@chooseyourfighter6112 2 жыл бұрын
@@Zurround chosen in a fight to the death would have obliterated mike
@perrysaker1526 2 жыл бұрын
Chozen, he knows how to take out any body part of his opponent leaving them incapable of throwing a punch or kick!!
@mojo3999 2 жыл бұрын
“If your enemy insists on war, then you take away their ability to wage it” Chozen is the best out of all of them!
@justthinking650 2 жыл бұрын
@@mojo3999 agreed
@advictoriams Жыл бұрын
Season 5 kinda proved Chozen would wipe the floor with everyone. But that Johnny and Mike are still just as formidable.
@Masterchief0521 Жыл бұрын
Kreese telling Bobby to stand down is actual similar to what lead most of my Highschool's wrestling team quitting. Coach had a few favorite wrestlers and he would tell other wrestlers to do worse as to "not distract" from his favorites.
@jackolantern22 2 жыл бұрын
Clearly we need to see Chozen vs Barnes in Cobra Kai Season 5.
@mistercontroversial Жыл бұрын
Lol
@deannamarie3746 Жыл бұрын
Barnes didn't do too bad, looks like he still kept up over the years
@WORLD8NSH5KNIGHT1 2 жыл бұрын
Chozen - Ivan Drago (the international aspect) or Mr T (anger and toughness) Mike Barnes - Tommy Gunn mixed with Ivan Drago (unstable background but fighting machine) Johnny Lawrence - Apollo Creed (great adversary who ultimately became an ally)
@jonathanwhite1265 2 жыл бұрын
Chozen is Drago. Barnes is Clubber Lang. Johnny is Apollo Creed.
@mrj4082 2 жыл бұрын
Holy shit, you're right! I never thought about it this way
@jonathanwhite1265 2 жыл бұрын
@@mrj4082 Thanks!
@Mark-px8jt 2 жыл бұрын
So your saying Daniel - rocky?
@juscryandsyd 2 жыл бұрын
Wow....LOVED the comparison and couldn't agree more! Good job!
@alexlainez3728 2 жыл бұрын
Barnes is the only one that had Daniel giving up saying" It's over, I afraid of him"
@chelseaperez2169 Жыл бұрын
I agree with that. He terrified Daniel.
@michaelmuirhead1734 Жыл бұрын
Do you ever talk about Miyagi's lie to have Daniel get a Black Belt and sneak it to Ali and then give Daniel a stolen belt?
@ajl9772 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you gave credit to Bobby. I rewatched the Karate Kid the other day and seems like Bobby had a great shot to win. I think Krease knew it too, but wanted to ensure Cobra Kai and Jonny remained the champ.
@robhoppe9189 2 жыл бұрын
This was a really fun, interesting video. I liked your breakdowns and analysis. I hope Mike Barnes shows up in season four of Cobra Kai. If he does, I'm sure you can count on the writers of the show to do their thing, and Mike Barnes will make for a very interesting character and an amazing addition to the show.
@KenCole 2 жыл бұрын
Agree 100% - if you haven't seen my Mike Barnes video, check out here kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gt18gNWKz5uxgKc.html
@essence650 Жыл бұрын
We need an updated version
@homedeezyfasheezy5662 Жыл бұрын
I remember when I was a kid watching these movies 100s of times. I can remember noticing that Bobby was a superb fighter. A lot of the points you brought up were things I would often think about. To this day I wonder how the final of Bobby vs Johnny would have turned out. It appears that Bobby’s form/technique is better and Johnny seems to suffer from over cockiness and not respecting his opponent, which is something you’re taught not to do at an early stage of all sports but especially combat sports. Bobby seemed to lack the killer instinct Johnny had. Even though he would eventually question Kreese’s instructions he showed that he wasn’t hesitant to hurt someone and his karate style seemed to be based around high impact moves that dealt significant damage and were straight to the point. Would have been a sold match regardless.
@gunstar1578 2 жыл бұрын
Great video. I studied Shotokan for several years around the time of the Karate Kid movie. I noticed back then that Bobby (Rob Thomas) and Darryl Vidal, both seems to be at a different level in their moves during the All Valley tournament. I was pleased to find out that both were actually Black belts.
@billymuellerTikTok 2 жыл бұрын
Darryl Vidal also invented the Crane Kick and subbed in for Pat Morita in the original Karate Kid when Mr. Miyagi is practicing the Crane Kick while Daniel is fighting the waves.
@lordoffaiyum9727 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah they stood out.
@londoncali6437 2 жыл бұрын
I might have to disagree because Chozen is the best of them all and I can see him beating Mike Barnes easily - Chozen is well equipped to take down Mike Barnes. There are important factors that needed to be taken into consideration in KK3: 1. Daniel completely lost focus and became aggressive under Silver's regime 2. Daniel became fearful in what Silver did to him psychologically 3. Silver messed up the relationship between Daniel and Miyagi, and this lead Daniel astray. If Daniel stayed with Miyagi all the time, he would have total focus, strength and patience to actually beat Mike Barnes
@isaacmettle 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@tsweezy5742 2 жыл бұрын
@Scot Smith Daniel said himself he’s scared he legit had no focus if he what’s well concentrated and mike barns wasn’t being the biggest bully to ever exist before the tournament Daniel Wouldn’t have got beat so badly.
@michael8940 2 жыл бұрын
I agree, Chosen trained in Miyagi Karate since a child, was physically equipped, and would toast Barnes. One fight means nothing
@emeukal7683 2 жыл бұрын
Just admit that Daniel is winning by story jutsu mythical Magic tricks. Barnes is a real professional fighter. Johnny physically stronger. Chozen was trained a lot more but not talented (Anger issues). The only two real fighters are Barnes and silver both talented and trained.
@JDP2104 2 жыл бұрын
Great analysis
@SheepofChrist818 Жыл бұрын
Congrats on 1 million views
@Kingshiloh-fo2qc 2 жыл бұрын
People say Chozen is the best fighter out of the teenage villains because he fought to the death but I think Mike Barnes is better because he didn’t only fight for points, he easily defeated Daniel in real fights 3 times. Chozen also fought Daniel in a real fight to the death and still lost.
@landonpace5480 Жыл бұрын
Daniel needed help though from the Miyagi, Sato, and the audience when they did that instrument thing(forgot the name) which reminds him of the fighting technique. So if this fight was just them with NO ONE watching then Chozen would easily win.
@mikegarrens5286 2 жыл бұрын
Dutch was just plain sick with that kick!!
@WORLD8NSH5KNIGHT1 2 жыл бұрын
I think Chozen is the most dangerous. He was prepared to kill an innocent young woman in front of a crowd - that is pretty unhinged. Of course by Cobra Kai he had mellowed with age. He also had cultural pressures intensifying his character more. Barnes is pretty bad and more intimidating than Johnny, Dutch and Bobby insofar as he is a sort of bitter loner and goes further than them in the bullying (I can't see Johnny threatening take away life-saving ropes or breaking the bansai tree)- but happy to do deals with shady characters like Silver. Tough yes, but also a typical bully getting scared as soon as Daniel dropped obvious signs of fear - at least Johnny and the others fought Daniel. Barnes looked scared to do that when he realized Daniel had found himself again. Johnny was tough and had an unpleasant streak - but unlike the others also had some integrity - clearly uncomfortable when Kreese wanted him to cheat. And as we saw later, was actually quite a decent man Hard to say much about Dutch and Bobby because really, they are secondary characters
@jammypacks4504 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly I'd say the best fighter is probably Barnes. In Cobra Kai right now though probably Johnny, Daniel is good in tournaments but not street fights. He got beat by Chozen and scared of Johnny. I think Barnes is probably the strongest
@jameshodge1517 2 жыл бұрын
Centrist sweetie Johnny is trying to get his life in order and Not by Cobra standards. But I love what you said about Everything else, k?!
@jameshodge1517 2 жыл бұрын
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@wossonjohn85 2 жыл бұрын
agree with everthing apart from where you say Barnes was scared when Daniel found himself again, he wasn't scared, he was confused, "why the hell is this guy doing kata in the middle of a fight?!" it completely threw him off his game which allowed Daniel to easily counter his final attack.
@3120dd 2 жыл бұрын
bobby is actually really good and johnny said he was better
@DagwoodDogwoggle 8 ай бұрын
TLDR Version: Miyagi training Daniel was actually holding Daniel back. A lot. In this video Ken repeatedly refers to Daniel's "experience level at the time." Here's the thing, though: his only experience outside the tournament, fighting Chozen, and fights with Barnes is ... get ready for it ... practicing with Miyagi. That doesn't bode well for any student. A teacher should have other students to spar with, and even do collaborative exhibitions with other schools so the students can get experience fighting different people with different skill sets. A great early example IS the "Bobby Kick." Miyagi never taught Daniel how to defend against that. He probably never even brought it up since Miyagi couldn't jump like that anymore. Fast forward to S3 Cobra Kai ... Chozen gives Danies a thorough lesson in all the things Miyagi never taught Daniel. Miyagi didn't provide the EXPERIENCE Daniel needed to improve.
@maximilanocontreras2933 2 жыл бұрын
this is nice
@stevemazzaferro5926 2 жыл бұрын
I think it depends if we are talking about a point fighting tournament or a real life self defense fight. I think Chozen wins the self defense real world scenario against all the others.
@simplyapleb9027 2 жыл бұрын
Mike Barnes is definitely one of the most fiercesome of all the fighters except Chozen. While Barnes is aggressive in his style, Chozen is skilled in the ancient Arts. My guess is that Chozen can kill Barnes if it ever came down to it
@violabeaumont3758 2 жыл бұрын
See, Barnes knew how to take advantage of his opponents within the tournaments rules. Daniel went into the fight with Chosen without any rules or regulations in mind, as he knew Chosen intended to kill him. What pisses me off is how Daniel suddenly gets scared in a Tournament fight when he bravely persevered through that fight with Chosen. That is utterly what killed the third movie for me.
@guzmanfel 11 ай бұрын
@@violabeaumont3758 probably because the psychological warfare used by terry,think about it,terry was "his friend" and then he revealed that he wanted to crush him, he was harrased 24/7 by mike barnes who was messing with his life in every chance he had, daniel felt distan with miyagi because he behave bad with him, somethin i realized about daniel is that he can fight at his full potential by "Clearing his mind" something demostrated in the 1st all valley and against chozen,but against mike he was terrified and confused
@cofside Жыл бұрын
Good video. It's also noteworthy that Bobby was the skeleton that told Johnny to stop fighting Daniel before Miyagi saves him.
@leban86 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent video. Well thought out and agree with you on all points
@clevelandbci9562 2 жыл бұрын
Dutch's kick to the face was probably the most visually awesome in the whole trilogy.
@KenCole 2 жыл бұрын
It was quintessentially Dutch.
@mightguy3118 2 жыл бұрын
That kick was clean
@Beastly82Fox 2 жыл бұрын
I believe when they are doing introductions to the semifinals, they acknowledge that Bobby was the previous year’s runner-up. Saying Johnny won that year would have meant that they would have faced and Johnny prevailed.
@e952ct Жыл бұрын
Did they ever mention Johnny being the returning champ?
@edntz Жыл бұрын
@@e952ct No, johnny lawrence never met barnes, as shown in cobra kai.
@Ara1_11 Жыл бұрын
These are good techniques good points that you put up especially since you’re the one that drinks some of them wow yeah I have to take them in Arizona everything you said is easy to quickly see which one you think until you put all these other insight into the
@joshdavis6556 Жыл бұрын
Bobby being the guy to do the illegal kick and immediately apologize may be why he became a preacher by the time the cobra kai show started
@bradyvelvet9432 2 жыл бұрын
Bobby didn’t want to get disqualified but he also wanted to go to Toshi Station to pick up some power converters!
@juice32283 2 жыл бұрын
Personally, any fight after Chozen should've been a cake walk. That was a life or death fight, pure will to survive. Everything else were tournaments and regulations.
@the_slow_s197 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, but even with regulations, Mike still cheated. And likely got away with it because Silver probably paid off the referee like we see him do in S4 of Cobra Kai. So it's not quite a level playing field even in a tournament
@BNatoAk Жыл бұрын
Fun Fact, Mike Barnes (in real life) studied under the 1st two films martial arts coordinator for 5 years prior to filming. The fact he wasn't mentioned in is tidbit is way beyond beyond me. I'm talking about Darryl Vidal!
@chrisbach1533 Жыл бұрын
And an other fun fact: Kanan studied Karate under Master Fumio Demura too. Demura was Pat Moritas stunt double or fighting double in the KK movies. So Barnes/Kanan stuied under the "real" Mr Miyagi.
@joeyfigueroa4748 2 жыл бұрын
I totally agree with this list. It all fits well.
@knottchu6159 2 жыл бұрын
Plot Twist: Narrator is the cousin of Bobby in real life.
@robertcuterman2511 2 жыл бұрын
really?
@knottchu6159 2 жыл бұрын
Brother in real life?
@itsatrap4386 2 жыл бұрын
Bobby would go on to bigger and better things. Bringing balance to the force and defeating the Empire.
@eddieagostini450 2 жыл бұрын
Yes. Bobby is my favorite. Hopefully the writers of Kobra Kai will bring into season 6 or 7 as the savior.
@StormAutoMotorcycleAdventures 2 жыл бұрын
In order, in my opinion, not including Daniel... Tied for #1 - Mr Miyagi & Sato Toguchi, #2 - Terry Silver, Close #3 - John Kreese, #4 - Mike Barnes, #5 - Chosen, Close & Tied For #6 - Johnny Lawrence & Bobby Brown... Bobby was the runner up to Johnny in the 1983 tournament, but I agree that Bobby could have possibly won in '84 if not DQ'd. #7 - Dutch, #8 - Jimmy, & I guess #9 - could be Snake lol... Though Snake was just a bad boy lol...I'm not sure if he knew much Karate? lol