Could NASA 3D Print a New F-1 Rocket Engine?

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Could NASA 3D Print a New F-1 Rocket Engine?

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When NASA was looking to go back to the moon, they did consider bringing back the Saturn V rocket and the Rocketdyne F-1 engines. However, that would have meant going back to decades old technology and working practices, something that just isn't possible today. But in the last decade, 3D printing of metal parts has advanced greatly, and now it is possible to make far more advanced versions of both engines and complete rockets. So, in this video, we look at if NASA could 3D print a new modern version of the F-1 engine.
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@guff9567 10 ай бұрын

What kind of nonsense is this?

@steveshoemaker6347 10 ай бұрын

3D Printing is totally AMAZING.....Thanks Paul..... Shoe🇺🇸

@huwzebediahthomas9193 10 ай бұрын

New tech is great - going boldly when no man/woman/other has gone before. 🙃👍

@rexmann1984 10 ай бұрын

Fun thought experiment. Not that it has the thrust to weight for today's market.

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@malakiblunt 10 ай бұрын

Stargate 3d printer "virtually eliminates welding " - its a robot mig welder that makes things entirely out of weld bead !

@hakrsakr 10 ай бұрын

He meant manual welding.

@oglordbrandon 10 ай бұрын

No, It virtually eliminates welders. It takes their jobs, and if one walks too close the robot arm, it kills them.

@michaelmoorrees3585 10 ай бұрын

@@oglordbrandon - Robotic welding has been going on for decades now. This is the just another modern variant of it.

@andoletube 10 ай бұрын

@@michaelmoorrees3585 whoosh...

@wernerviehhauser94 10 ай бұрын

Listen again. It eliminates weldings (as in welding seams and welded connections), not welding.

@BeKindToBirds 10 ай бұрын

41 MW on the gas generator alone is incredible.

@m.streicher8286 10 ай бұрын

I've heard of gas generators being compared to spinning a turbine with an oxyacetylene torch. They are truly amazing.

@steveschritz1823 10 ай бұрын

I can read the stats of the F-1, but my brain just can’t wrap around it.

@TucsonDude 10 ай бұрын

Not to mention the 600(?) liters/second of fuel flow thru each of the nozzle cooling tubes.

@frutt5k 10 ай бұрын

@@steveschritz1823 you need a slide rule instead of an infinite digit calculator.

@InvestmentJoy 10 ай бұрын

Consumer grade additive metal manufacturing will change the world. Between metals and plastic it'll be absolutely incredible!

@soggycracker5934 10 ай бұрын

If it's as flimsy as 3d printed plastics, it absolutely will not change anything. Except perhaps further decrease the lifecycle of consumer products. Gotta love planned obsolescence.

@satyris410 10 ай бұрын

@@soggycracker5934 are you familiar with metal?

@edumaker-alexgibson 10 ай бұрын

@@soggycracker5934 There's nothing inherently flimsy about 3D printed plastics. Every material and process has its strengths and weaknesses, and we design parts either with or without respect for those constraints, and make choices with or without clear strength and lifetime goals. I run a 3D print farm and mostly produce parts other people have designed with all sorts of different objectives. Most of my own 3D printing is about repairing and improving products to extend their lifetime and usefulness!

@edumaker-alexgibson 10 ай бұрын

It's already here and doing so! However 3D printing directly in metal is unlikely to be desirable in the home anytime soon, as it involves a level of energy and material handling safety risk that is orders of magnitude greater than plastic printing at home, not to mention more specialist tuned to a narrower niche of applications. However, consumer access to metal printing bureau services is already with us.

@KrustyKlown 10 ай бұрын

@@soggycracker5934flimsy??? I’ve spent several years designing automotive parts for 3D printing which out performed molded parts. Design matters, one can print part designs that can’t be molded.. even print pre-assembled parts to reduce cost. Many new processes and materials are just as good as injection molding materials.

@247tubefan 10 ай бұрын

I wish someone could 3D print the 80's and 90's.

@AndrewBlacker-wr2ve 10 ай бұрын

Or 3d print brains for twits born after 1990

@setituptoblowitup 10 ай бұрын

👽🛸👾🤙

@MapleHillMunitions 10 ай бұрын

Retrowave is coming back

@SnaketheJake87 10 ай бұрын

I 3d printed yer mom

@thecomedian6920 10 ай бұрын

Amen

@akwinoz 10 ай бұрын

Just wondering why Rocket Lab didn't rate a mention? Their Rutherford enigne is 3D printed and has been flying successfully for a number of years!

@kiwidiesel 10 ай бұрын

It's nothing new forgetting the little guy.

@BattleshipAgincourt 10 ай бұрын

Simple answer is no. The F-1 was designed with extremely specific means of manufacture. Between trying to replicate the F-1 or simply designing a new engine with comparable specs... the latter is more feasible.

@AndrewBlacker-wr2ve 10 ай бұрын

I'm not arguing your point. But what gross processes can be eliminated and or introduced?

@BattleshipAgincourt 10 ай бұрын

@@AndrewBlacker-wr2ve Welding. It's fairly simple in concept but when you need to design an engine with minimal weight and maximum heat resistance... simple answer is that the F-1 was never intended for mass production. It is not something one can copy from a blueprint and recreate.

@matthewguerra5410 10 ай бұрын

In the last decade their was a Proposed F-1B engine design study that had a higher specific impulse and more modern electronics and a simplified design.

@renesoucy3444 10 ай бұрын

Their thirst for efficiency seems to prevent them to create a giant Merlin 1-D like engine, simple open cycle engine with even more thrust than the F-1, but of course, « gushing » fuel…

@washingtonradio 10 ай бұрын

In reality, no one just copy the F1 engine but they would modify it so it's much easier to use 3D printing. The real point is 3D printing is reaching a point that could be the dominate manufacturing method in the near future. It appears to use less material and appears to be less wasteful than traditional methods and often much faster.

@Hoopaball 10 ай бұрын

Relativity Space is stepping back from fully printed tank sections and adopting traditional manufacturing techniques, such as building up tank walls from coils like SpaceX or plates like ULA.

@joshua43214 10 ай бұрын

yep, it was a stunt to get some funding. It is a stupid idea when sheet metal is 10x faster and 10x cheaper. Engines though, that has real potential.

@tidepoolclipper8657 10 ай бұрын

There were supposed to be F-1B engines. They were even once proposed as possible engines on the liquid boosters for the block 2 variant of SLS (assuming said variant ever sees the day of light).

@simon8864 10 ай бұрын

Another excellent mini documentary. I always save these videos for when I've got some piece and quiet so I don't miss anything. Keep up the good work 👍

@robinpollard7629 10 ай бұрын

Which piece? An injector nozzle? Anyway, enjoy the show when you have some peace and quiet 🤣

@Poult100 10 ай бұрын

Your videos combine the history and technology in a seamless way to perfectly convey your points. Brilliant, as usual. Please keep going!

@MentalsProductions 10 ай бұрын

Very bizarre, was just down a mini rabbit-hole about this exact topic lol, but as always, very informative and concisely presented video Droid, great stuff.

@ronlarson6530 10 ай бұрын

I worked at Blue Origin for 3 years, I have seen oodles of 3D printed parts of various flavors! This was a good episode ;)

@Davethreshold 10 ай бұрын

I NEVER KNEW that they had 3D printers in the eighties! All I know is, that I walked into a Microcenter one day about 12 years ago and there one was. It was a CHEAP ONE but still! Thank you Paul for another basket of information!

@wernerviehhauser94 10 ай бұрын

I remember reading about rapid prototyping in the late 80s where they squished out a ceramic paste which had to be cured by baking. But the beginnings for resin and extrusion printing are even older - just ask any patissier.

@frutt5k 10 ай бұрын

@@wernerviehhauser94 Midnight Engineering magazine.

@tomstamford6837 10 ай бұрын

There was/is the process of sintering, which was developed in the 1940s and became widespread in the 80s. While not what you would call modern day 3D printing, it achieved the same results, especially in prototyping metallic components. I remember when studying engineering in those days (not the 40s) of being shown lasers zapping metallic powders to create components. So, it has been around for a while.

@Baldorcete 10 ай бұрын

It was called stereolithography back then. Was very expensive, the parts extremely fragile, and we were in awe when presented with a 3D pirinted prototipe.

@StepSherpa 10 ай бұрын

@Baldorcete today we use I think only resins for SLA, very accurate but the strength isn't there

@CountArtha 10 ай бұрын

If the SLS debacle has taught us anything, it's that you're better off designing something new than using the "cheaper," "faster" "legacy" option.

@bocahdongo7769 10 ай бұрын

It's not feasible to do nostalgia thing with taxpayer money anyway. If space shuttle engine can reach the moon, why bother using backward technology for sake of again, nostalgia.

@teagueman100 10 ай бұрын

I disagree, the SLS is a new design using some old parts, thats one of the reasons its expensive. Building a new Saturn 5 wouldn't be that hard because they already have the blueprints and it was a tested vehicle. They should have never stopped making them in the first place. The performance of a completely new rocket isn't that much better than a Saturn 5 so there isn't there need to completely make a new design from scratch unless you wanted to do something like have it be reusable.

@bocahdongo7769 10 ай бұрын

@@teagueman100 if SLS is already a nightmare Reusing saturn V is even more so, it's even older holy god. You need extensive testing and adjusting that can add extra 5 years instead of just plug and play RS-25. Again, to do money-hogging nostalgic hobby with taxpayer money is not okay.

@w8stral 10 ай бұрын

The problem of SLS had NOTHING to do with using legacy parts. Government boondongle bureaucracy. Engineers left for YEARS sitting on their ass doing nothing just to have some twiddle dump idiot in NASA bureaucracy who knows NOTHING about engineering or manufacturing decree on high how something "is to be designed"... and then a year or two later have another bureaucrat decree something else. All the while demanding "timelines" etc from manufacturers who are NOT allowed to do actual testing as well... if there is a "failure" said bureaucrat gets their brass braids and golden parachute snipped... Why it took decades and nothing has happened even while spending ??? $30B-->$50Billion now when one accounts for inflation? @@bocahdongo7769

@billmullins6833 10 ай бұрын

@teagueman100, you're right. Building new F1 engines today would not be "that hard" today - it would be IMPOSSIBLE. There are skills that existed then which are no longer around. As the piece said, every F1 engine was HAND BUILT! Every engine was unique; a one-off. The blue prints were almost more guidelines. Besides, the F1 was a world beater in its day but would be an anachronism today.

@jpc4186 10 ай бұрын

Lovely Video, so detailed. Especially sincce it is an Addon to your Video 5 ys ago. Great Work!

@LambChopRides 10 ай бұрын

Absolutely fascinating Paul, really enjoyed that 👍

@craigw.scribner6490 10 ай бұрын

Fascinating and very informative video, Paul--thanks as always!

@Ottee2 10 ай бұрын

I think we're on the cusp of doing great things with 3D printing. This process combined with AI may produce objects that we had no idea we needed. Loved the video, thanks for stimulating my imagination.

@jimbultas 10 ай бұрын

You pushed me over the edge! Back to being a Patreon supporter of this channel. Thank you for your imagination and dedication Paul!

@frankgulla2335 9 ай бұрын

What a tour-de-foce of 3D printing. I ill b watching this more than once. Thank you.

@kevinheard8364 10 ай бұрын

Always just really great .... entertaining , educational, just a real treat. Keep up the fine work....from a long term subscriber

@Convoycrazy 3 ай бұрын

I remember your previous video on the F-1 - this was a fascinating follow-up. For you rocket fans out there, I highly recommend watching some slow motion Apollo launch footage, it's very interesting 👍🏼

@mydude3254 10 ай бұрын

Another well done video, I’d love to see more in the future about other things in manufacturing that could be replaced in a one piece construction with 3D metal printing.

@MatSpeedle 10 ай бұрын

It's always nice to be reminded about the great things humans can acomplish when they're working together, when the news is full of the worst parts of humanity. Incredible stuff!

@CAHSR2020 10 ай бұрын

The least believable part of Star Trek was the way humanity joined forces toward a common goal.

@hieronymuslarsson1388 10 ай бұрын

The news are always miserable, but yes.

@MatSpeedle 8 ай бұрын

@pyropulseIXXI 🙄 SMH

@DaviAlex8 9 ай бұрын

Paul I’ve watched all your videos. I can kinda say you’re my inspiration. You write and host; idk how much into editing and the rest you’re involved but whatever the case I always look forward for your new content! I’m also glad you beat the health condition you faced at one point. Great stuff mate! 👍

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@patricklewis7636 10 ай бұрын

A 3d printed F1 would be a completely different engine. Unless you could make it as efficient as modern engines, no one would do this. It would be a cool pattern, though.

@recoilrob324 10 ай бұрын

Yes...such a large engine would suffer efficiency problems with low chamber pressure relative to the modern Merlin or Raptor. You of course could make lots of thrust...but at the expense of more fuel needed so the Starship approach seems a more viable solution today.

@williamchamberlain2263 10 ай бұрын

OTOH ; 0 failures vs 10% failures

@recoilrob324 10 ай бұрын

@@williamchamberlain2263 Are you referring to the first Starship flight? If so...that's not a fair comparison as the F1's had MANY failures in testing before they finally got them working for the actual flights. SpaceX works much more quickly and considering the launch pad problems the engines likely weren't the major source of the failures. They have made many improvements so let's see how the next flight goes....if the stupid government bureaucrats ever let them try again.

@WWeronko 10 ай бұрын

Using modern manufacturing technology, the F-1 engine could probably be recreated. The pertinent question is why would anyone want to? The F-1 was a single-use, very expensive low efficiency high thrust engine. In that reuse seems the coming trend, a first stage nonreusable engine seems not helpful. Moreover, the Rocketdyne F-1 had a sea level ISP of 263 s and a thrust to weight ratio of 94. This compares unfavorably to the RP-1 fueled Merlin 1D with a sea level ISP of 282 s and a thrust to weight ratio of 184. Additive manufacturing could likely improve the thrust to weight ratio however any redesign would require vast engineering work to overcome combustion instability common with these large engines. Methane and hydrogen and reusable engines seem the future, the Rocketdyne F-1, as impressive as it is, is a relic of the past. However, the liquid hydrogen Rocketdyne J-2X second stage engine does seem to have some applicability still today.

@bocahdongo7769 10 ай бұрын

Guys, RS-25 and SRB is right there, just waiting to use. And it has total thrust of saturn 5 with lighter and better fuel economy

@ronstiles2681 10 ай бұрын

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@JasonIversen 8 ай бұрын

I absolutely love your videos, CD. Amazing content, amazing footage. Keep it up!!

@catandtheostrich 10 ай бұрын

Great to see another great video. Hope you're doing well.

@mikedrop4421 10 ай бұрын

"Captain to engine room! Captain to engine room! Transfer all available power to main engine printers STAT!"

@m.streicher8286 10 ай бұрын

Even if we could... Why? It wasn't a very efficient or special engine. Yes it was the reliable workhorse of Apollo, but that doesn't mean we'd use them today.

@TeeDee87 10 ай бұрын

5 years ago? wtf time flies.

@rand0mn0 10 ай бұрын

Another major issue that would be encountered in a 3D printed successor/redesigned engine that was of the same approximate size as the F-1 would be combustion instability. This was a major issue during development of the engine, as the engine would catastrophically explode on the test stand. The engineers were unable to model the processes involved, and instead went through a long period of hit-or-miss experimentation employing explosives during engine firing. Fortunately, there was plenty of money available for this. The final configuration of the injector plate was achieved, and the engine became stable. But why bother? The engine was not particularly efficient, and since it's not throttleable, it isn't practically recoverable/reusable.

@jemussi7842 10 ай бұрын

I appreciate the calm and unpretentious approach with well researched, accurate information.

@ghalithegreat 10 ай бұрын

Interesting. I am working in LFAM myself and it's great to see the progress. two week ago I was at a AM event with readings by DMG Mori and ASML and the applications are everywhere. Everything can also be designed much lighter and compact. think of fro examble cooling channels in the walls that can't be made with moulding.

@Imonly2andahalf 10 ай бұрын

Your always on point with your vids. When the subject matter is to my liking I always enjoy them!

@andrewwetzel6036 10 ай бұрын

Well, when looking at powering the proposed SLS, NASA went and 3D scanned all available F1 engines and parts. And found that they could CNC a new F1 variant engine with far fewer parts. It was the F1B (the F1A was the next generation at the time of Apollo of the F1 engine, with increased thrust and fewer at that time parts.) The F1B would have had comparable thrust to the F1A but weigh about 40% less, and be far cheaper than modern engines like the SSME/RS25/upgraded-J2 that were the Shuttle engines. Ah, what could have been. And then progress into an F1C with both CNC and additive manufacturing, possibly even to an F1D that was totally additive manufactured. Instead, we're throwing $68 million per engine SSME/RS25/upgraded-J2s that were meant to be reusable (and thus the huge price) and throwing them away. And NASA even looked at a stupid/dumbed down version of the RS25 and, no, kept with the very expensive reusable but thrown away engines used on the SLS. (sound of banging head slowly against the wall...)

@zaperfield 10 ай бұрын

That's the perfect answer I was hoping someone write 👍👍. I followed very closely the developement of the F1B at the time and was a bit surprised it wasn't mentioned in the video. I think the race to provide a rocket engine for the SSL is a matter for a whole thriller TV Show 😂😂

@andrewwetzel6036 10 ай бұрын

Or a whole show on government and industrial corruption and stupidity. The whole SLS is a perfect example of what's wrong with government.@@zaperfield

@mamamiddleagedmotorcyclead6643 10 ай бұрын

Fantastic video as always!

@k53847 10 ай бұрын

The problem with additive manufacturing something as huge as an F1 engine is removing the small internal defects that form during the process. The typical approach is to run it through a HIP process, which would heat it in argon to something like 1000C under ~15,000 PSI pressure comparable to being at the bottom of the deepest ocean trench) and crush all the defects that will cause early failure. However the thrust chamber is at much larger than the biggest HIP unit, (11ftx9.5ft vs 6.5ft x 8ft) and containing the pressure gets much harder as the diameter increases. Given a big enough budget it's solvable, but it might need a BIG budget.

@w8stral 10 ай бұрын

Hosts ignorance doomed this video and your reply: Rocketdyne Laser scanned an Old F1 engine and put into CAD drawings etc. Even 3d printed its turbine turbo pump and tested it(flawlessly passed). They were looking to rebuild it for new Moon rocket for NASA. They were getting ready to 3d print the rest of the engine but ran out of funding when NASA decided to NOT fund them and instead gave the money to Bezos and new BE4 engine. Yes, we can easily print the rocket engine. It has already partially been done on the critical turbo pump machinery. Now can they print the exhaust chamber? Probably. Others are doing it and the F1 was overbuilt substantially. As for the defects... Heat treat it will take care of those as 3D printing material creates fewer bulk flaws in pressure vessels than previous material. Should be able to SAVE weight substantially compared to F1 engine. But your point about all the small inconsistencies of 3D printing and the ol' human programs might have screwed up or left voids etc and yes, testing required for sure. Why Rocketdyne wasn't ponying up the money themselves. Just because we can copy, doesn't mean it passes spec.

@k53847 10 ай бұрын

@@w8stral Entire turbo pump will fit in a big Quintus HIP unit. The turbo pump is something like 4' wide by 5'2" high. Much smaller than the thrust chamber.

@w8stral 10 ай бұрын

The thrust chamber is the EASIEST portion to 3d Print. Downright simple in fact. The turbo machinery which COMBINES all those extremely hot gases at pressure is where the true heart of a rocket engine is. Thrust chamber is static pressure with zero moving parts. The secret to keep the flame from surging was solved going on 70 years ago. @@k53847

@stevenbrindley2469 9 ай бұрын

Absolutely incredible. How times have changed and what to the next 20 plus years, thanks Paul.

@Yrouel86 10 ай бұрын

The question to ask is not if NASA could but if NASA should. And if you mean "NASA" as in NASA contracting Aerojet Rocketdyne (the most likely candidate for obvious reasons) with the usual cost plus contract, the answer is absolutely not. Cost plus would eliminate pretty much any cost reduction derived from technological advancements and further drain NASA of vital funds that could be better spent for what they do best: exploration (which is already suffering budgetary constrains). Unfortunately while it might be cool to dream about what new technologies such as additive manufacturing can offer in this context, the bleak reality is that the old space companies have no interests nor ambitions to pursue anything like that unless they can absolutely fleece NASA (the government) for it and even then they wouldn't have any incentive to deliver in a timely matter.

@huwzebediahthomas9193 10 ай бұрын

NASA lost the plot when too many hangers on got working for them, as unproductive administrative staff, like the CIA. 😎

@stever41g 10 ай бұрын

Fascinating. Thx, love your videos.

@sergarlantyrell7847 10 ай бұрын

As an aerospace engineer, I'm skeptical about the claims of weight savings when it comes to whole rockets. I just don't think MIG welded aluminium can get near the strength to weight achievable with traditional heat-treated rolled and milled aluminium tank sections. I can see it having uses for geometries that would be very difficult or impossible to make otherwise. Or constructing large structures like space stations in orbit, only having to fly reels of aluminium wire to LEO instead of whole modules.

@thomassievers3362 10 ай бұрын

Probably not, every engine was hand measured and hand built… they all where slightly different wich made them a piece of art on it’s own… the Saturn 5 is probably the most impressive vehicle ever built…

@Inception1338 9 ай бұрын

The Russian Energia comes close to it but it's true that the Saturn 5 especially taking into consideration the possibilities of that time remains the most stunning vehicle ever build.

@langamtimkulu6846 9 ай бұрын

i thought this is about Formula 1 car engines.......but i still watched the whole thing even though i saw a documentary similar to this years ago......NICE WORK

@Wineman3383 10 ай бұрын

Kool video again brother! 😎✌️

@Antonio.Andrade 10 ай бұрын

Great video as always. Ty

@aaron41 8 ай бұрын

Just a comment; GRCop is not specifically optimized for Creep, and the primary failure mode is actually low cycle fatigue which is driven by thermal cycling.

@CloseToTheEdge89 10 ай бұрын

"There were NO failures of the Saturn 5 Rockets". "Early development tests revealed serious combustion instability problems which sometimes caused catastrophic failure.[3] Initially, progress on this problem was slow, as it was intermittent and unpredictable. Oscillations of 4 kHz with harmonics to 24 kHz were observed. Eventually, engineers developed a diagnostic technique of detonating small explosive charges (which they called "bombs") outside the combustion chamber, through a tangential tube (RDX, C-4 or black powder were used) while the engine was firing. This allowed them to determine exactly how the running chamber responded to variations in pressure, and to determine how to nullify these oscillations. The designers could then quickly experiment with different co-axial fuel-injector designs to obtain the one most resistant to instability. These problems were addressed from 1959 through 1961. Eventually, engine combustion was so stable, it would self-damp artificially induced instability within one-tenth of a second."

@TucsonDude 10 ай бұрын

Pretty heavy science, there.

@ssabykoops 10 ай бұрын

ohhhh looking forward to watch this

@aarondavis8943 10 ай бұрын

I'm amazed that 70% of the fuel can run through those pipes without bursting anywhere.

@oilfortheworld 10 ай бұрын

WOW!! Danke für das Video.

@youerny 10 ай бұрын

I would love to have back a wonderful Saturn V. Or its development for the Apollo application program ❤

@mikeburton7077 9 ай бұрын

Brilliant video!

@AndrewBlacker-wr2ve 10 ай бұрын

Extremely intriguing. Do 3D printed components require stress relieving/annealing/ heat treatment?

@DenDenn1 10 ай бұрын

Good question, I'm curious too

@AIM54A 10 ай бұрын

Yes.. The parts have to go into an oven and bake. The parts will shrink significantly during this step so everything is printer larger and baked to final dimension.

@RazgrizDuTTA 10 ай бұрын

It is very dependent on the metal and the printing method used. I worked a bit on selective laser sintering of a titanium alloy and heat treatments were definitively needed after printing.

@DenDenn1 10 ай бұрын

@@AIM54A I know of that happening when printing with a kind of ceramic filament in normal 3D printers, but I would've never guessed metal works like that too. Where did you find this information?

@CalvinsWorldNews 10 ай бұрын

I was always told that people who thought you could 3D print or cast a high stress metal component (ie a gun, or in this case a rocket engine) don't understand metallurgy - that casting a sword out of molten metal, or 3D printing it, was like making a baseball bat out of chipboard. Has some radical technology change happened in the last 5 years and if so what is it?

@WetDoggo 10 ай бұрын

11:50 funny how it's possible to see the build took several days, just because the lighting changes in a particular pattern at relatively stable intervals. 👌

@racekar80 10 ай бұрын

They made these in the 60’s, before computers, draftsman drew every piece. Phenomenal.

@CarFreeSegnitz 10 ай бұрын

Those F1 engines that took thousands of man-hours to build each, were single-use. One 2 minute & 41 second burn then dumped into the ocean.

@bobcastro9386 10 ай бұрын

NASA and Boeing were looking into making the Saturn S-IC (first stage of Saturn V) into a reusable booster. The plan involved parachuting the first stage to a water landing but inverting the stage so that those magnificent engines were kept out of the seawater. The Boeing illustrations show what could have been.

@peterresetz1960 10 ай бұрын

@bobcastro9386, The F1 engine was designed for one time use. To accommodate reuse would have required more research time, of which NASA didn't have as the U.S. and the USSR were at the hight of the Space Race, with the Moon the goal.

@Apollorion 10 ай бұрын

The center F-1 engine was cut-off before the other four, so that time span can't be equal for each of the F-1 engines.

@CowboyCree63 10 ай бұрын

The engines weren't designed to be single use, they just happened to only be used once because recovery of the 1st stage wasn't cost effective or practical at the time. The engines actually saw more than one use before they were launched to space, every engine saw at least 1 test run before being mounted to the 1st Stage.

@cdl0 10 ай бұрын

So, that is like a good meal: hours to prepare, then eaten in minutes, and erm... dumped! 🙂

@CB-ke7eq 10 ай бұрын

I had a similar magnetic "hover" pens in the 90s 🤘

@mactan_sc 10 ай бұрын

I want to see more of those printed rotating detonation aerospikes

@kevinnaber790 10 ай бұрын

Probably could print an F-1 engine, however the intricate design of the double shell of the thrust chamber and the fuel distributor or “boiler plate”. Using lost PLA or similar ways of casting would introduce variations, the GR-Cop and laser sintering printer look promising. Unfortunately the size of the F-1 causes it to face combustion instability with the variations that any machining could produce- it was extreme quality control and good luck that none of the F-1 engines failed catastrophically mid-flight.

@Boodster61 10 ай бұрын

I do enjoy watching your videos! I always learn something new 😄

@clubtepes2046 8 ай бұрын

I'd love to see a video explaining the pros and cons of multiple rocket engines. Are more better? (like on Starship) vs. the 5 on the Saturn V, vs. a single massive engine. Sure, more engines can absorb more engine failures........ but is the weight of all the necessary equipment (fuel lines etc.) make it the best way to go?

@graham8316 10 ай бұрын

11:50 less welding lol

@mrs6968 10 ай бұрын

Great upload

@NDHIZK1 10 ай бұрын

Wow! Fantastic!

@peronik349 10 ай бұрын

it is sad to think that in 2012 (11 years ago) a project to reuse an F1 type engine was refused by NASA (the Pyrios project) to replace the solid boosters of the SLS This project would have used two F1-B engines per booster the F1B is a modernized version of the original F1 engines composed of only 40 parts (thanks to 3D metal printing) compared to the thousands of parts of the original F1 engines

@Peterjames3535 10 ай бұрын

That was so interesting.

@antipoti 9 ай бұрын

7:40 simpler but BIGGER not "smaller" conponent. You cant cut off parts of an object and expect it become bigger.

@catlee8064 10 ай бұрын

Another classic shirt there Paul. TBH, I dont understand why they arent using the Sea dragon which you did a video on.

@TheEvilmooseofdoom 10 ай бұрын

Because it's a paper notion only based on the mistaken premise that you can scale an engine up without limits.

@catlee8064 10 ай бұрын

@@TheEvilmooseofdoom Guess you need to watch it again, the end part states its perfectly valid today as it was when designed. Granted Paul isnt an engineer with experience of rockets, but his videos are usually backed up with in depth research.

@setituptoblowitup 10 ай бұрын

@@TheEvilmooseofdoom🤔🪶

@xb70valkyriech 10 ай бұрын

they could 3d print that too

@TheEvilmooseofdoom 10 ай бұрын

@@catlee8064 Yet the more someone tried to scale up and engine the more trouble they had and this requires an engine 50x larger than the F-1 which alone was a difficult engine. It's balls deep in stupid, always has been and always will be.

@prof.heinous191 10 ай бұрын

If you can 3D print titanium, as per Deakin Uni's World Solar Challenge suspension uprights, in their car racing Darwin-Adelaide (starting this Sunday) you can 3D print just about anything!

@vitalknife_ 10 ай бұрын

Amazing that they accomplished this.

@raymathews1474 10 ай бұрын

I know this has been discussed. The original crop of F1s was nearly hand made. But there's no reason why a new engine couldn't be built to its specifications.

@neeneko 10 ай бұрын

yeah, this is what kinda frustrates me about the various 'we can't build F1s anymore!' dramas. It isn't that we can not build something with similar capabilities, only that we can not take that exact design off the shelf and put it back into production, which is pretty much true for any tech that old. It is a bit like saying we can't make TVs any more because some out of production CRT from the 50s can't just be spun up in a modern factory with no supply chain.

@dalel3608 10 ай бұрын

Thus the F-1B, which was considered for the SLS liquid boosters option.

@lasskinn474 10 ай бұрын

we could, it just would be expensive. the kind of "we don't know how much it would actually cost" kind of expensive too.

@bocahdongo7769 10 ай бұрын

Or just in case if you guys really had bad dementia (gosh darn young people nowadays had early stage of dementia) Space shuttle engine already prove it capable to reach the moon. Why goddam bother with 60's old engine technology. Doing nostalgia hobby with taxpayer money is not okay thing

@simongeard4824 10 ай бұрын

The problem with building to specifications is that it assumes the specifications are accurate. And in any engineering project - especially limited production runs with lots of manual effort - the specifications rarely get updated to reflect all of the adjustments being made by the people who actually had to implement the specs.

@backpackingtony1779 10 ай бұрын

Pottery in 2023 kicks ass!!

@joe2mercs 10 ай бұрын

The F1 was not particularly efficient in terms of power to weight or ISP but then again it did not have to be. Kerosine (RP1) is energy dense and the F1 open cycle engines were very reliable. A reusable Saturn V stage 1 booster with 3D printed F1 engines would be offer cheaper payload performance compared to SLS but that all said the Starship will be an order of magnitude better than either.

@shannonkohl68 8 ай бұрын

As to the comment as to whether it would happen given the large number of Raptor engines used on Starship / Super Heavy, I wonder if it might make sense to have a few huge engines like a modern version of the F1, and then a number of maybe Raptor-sized or smaller engines rather than using all the same size engine. Obviously they'd all have to use the same fuel mix, and you'd have to be able to robotically manufacture them or you're likely going to lose out due to lack of the mass production effect. But assuming you can do those, then you use the huge rockets on the way up, but not on the return flight since the rocket is much lighter. Just about pure speculation on my part, I'm not a rocket engineer!

@PiDsPagePrototypes 10 ай бұрын

3D printed exhaust bell makes sense, some of the other parts, like the compressor turbines, are better made from solid pieces where the material is the same all the way through, rather then have the layer lines becoming shear points.We could probably expect a combined techniques construction to be more efficient then the original F1.

@greentree180 10 ай бұрын

I was in for a pen untill you said Time magazine thought it was the best invention of 2022. Then I lost it.

@spladam3845 10 ай бұрын

It's so amazing to live in the future.

@theonlywoody2shoes 10 ай бұрын

Around 30+ years ago we visited KSC and had a tour from someone who had worked on the Saturn5 programme. As an engineer myself we got chatting and he was quite open when he said that the engines weren’t built to the spec in the plans. The engineers “modified” what was in the plans and built something that would work and not fail (E.g. if it looks right, it probably is…) The reason most of these engines are unique is partly because they were built by hand, but also because they were built by engineers who knew their craft and the materials they were working with. I wish I could remember the guys name, it was back in the 1990’s so he’s probably no longer with us as he was in his 70’s and had already “retired” once.

@T3H455F4C3 10 ай бұрын

Good point. If one thing wasn't built to spec, then the next thing can be built to compensate.

@theonlywoody2shoes 10 ай бұрын

@T3H455F4C3 ironically this has evolved into the SpaceX "fail fast" model of build, break, modify, move on that's been so successful for them. As a private company they don't have to answer voters why they blew up millions/billions in a ball of flames (RUD) when taking that next step forwards; I guess that's why SLS is taking so long, well that and paying for political favours.

@spacepraesidium2292 10 ай бұрын

relativity is no longer printing the tank walls. Which makes sense, the flaw density inherent in an additive process means the walls have to actually end up comparatively thicker than a rolled or formed tank wall. Their rocket was so heavy, that Terran 1 could not have ever carried a meaningful payload to orbit, which is why it had none save for a symbolic first printed part on their first launch, and its why the rocket is canceled. I think their CEO was quoted saying they only took a 5-10% mass penalty by printing... which doesn't sound bad until you release that is the payload mass fraction of most rockets. Also, the flaw density inherent in additive manufacture makes its use for reusable rockets questionable in my opinion, its an inherently poor process for fatigue resistance, but we will see.

@k9m42 10 ай бұрын

Original F1 engines were truly amazing engineering and artistry.

@allandavis8201 5 ай бұрын

I am not at all clued up about 3D Printing but I will take great interest because, at the end of the day, it is a technology that seems to be going in leaps and bounds to produce even more types of engineering applications and is still, in my opinion, in its infancy, and I will bet that I have more questions than answers by the end of the episode. Forgive me if I am wrong but in the advertisement for the gravity pen you said it is made of Aircraft grade Aluminium, but aluminium is nonferrous and can’t produce or support magnetic fields, or has that changed recently by some very much more intelligent person than I. An absolutely fascinating episode, a fair bit went over my head, but still fascinating and informative, I do have a question, only the one, but is it possible that the techniques used can help to create new materials that are technically impossible to produce using the technology we have at the moment?, for example, clear aluminium (as per Star Trek) it seems like it could to me if the scientists behind this printing technology are given the time and resources to experiment on a grand scale, they might even be able to reduce the amount of non renewable resources that we are currently expending on a huge scale. Thanks again, I really enjoyed this episode. 😀🇬🇧🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🇺🇸🇺🇦🇮🇱

@BensWorkshop 10 ай бұрын

3D printing has come quite some way.

@infinitecanadian 10 ай бұрын

I didn't realize that additive manufacturing would basically be like welding, but of course it is. It seems to me like it would be energy-intensive.

@h.dejong2531 10 ай бұрын

You're melting one drop at a time, instead of a whole vat as you'd do with casting. Old methods can be energy-intensive too.

@infinitecanadian 10 ай бұрын

@@h.dejong2531 But casting is way faster.

@LexieAssassin 10 ай бұрын

I nominate such a potential engine to be dubbed as the F-2.

@Pottery4Life 10 ай бұрын

Thank you.

@markiliff 8 ай бұрын

That hoverpen: what do you do when the ink runs out?

@hallieboy 10 ай бұрын

The skills, craftsmanship, knowledge and sheer will to build another F1 have long been lost, modern methods or not.

@jackimo22 10 ай бұрын

I stood at the bell of an F1 rocket engine at the Johnson Space Center in Houston. I could’ve easily stood inside the bell while it was on its side. It almost felt comically big

@TundeEszlari 10 ай бұрын

I love your contents.

@Resebild 8 ай бұрын

So, kudos for the general info about rocket engine construction. Very interesting. But the title suggests that we would get a proper explanation whether the F1 engine could actually be recreated by 3D printing, and you hardly go into that at all, just half a minute or so at the end. The fact that there are companies constructing new engines using this technique doesn’t necessarily mean it’s possibe to apply the same procedure for the F1. So even though there is a lot of good stuff here, I can’t help feeling a bit dissapointed.

@DaT0nkee 10 ай бұрын

The F1 was optimized to kerosene, and was not able to relight during flight. The space industry is moving away from kerosene towards methane. Especially because of reuseability, which also needs in flight relight capability. To be useful, the F1 should be redesigned to use methane and be able to relight. So basically we are speaking about a totally different engine. Let's call it Raptor?

@h.dejong2531 10 ай бұрын

It's unlikely we'll see a return of engines this large. We're moving towards reusability, and that's much easier to do when you have lots of smaller engines so you can just run one and get the small amount of thrust you need to land the stage. A stage with 5 F1 engines you'd have to throttle down one engine to under 10%, and it turns out throttling down a rocket by that much is difficult.