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Frustration at Turkey seems to be growing in NATO, with the country seemingly willing to block the accession of Sweden and Finland & not aligned with the other NATO countries. So in this video we explain if NATO could kick out their problem member
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@aanrrat1354
@aanrrat1354 2 жыл бұрын
You didn't properly explain why turkey and Russia have had 17 wars, while they did fight over influence in the Caucasus and Crimean/southern Ukraine you didn't mention the underlying reason: black sea acces. Russia throughout its history has always attempted to get out, to entangle itself in the great European trade and cultural space, to catch up. A crucial point to this was gaining acces to the black sea, the only place they could realistically get a warm water port. The last factor here is the Bosporus straight. Without it russian trade and influence could at any time be cut off by turkey, in his will the Russian tzar who pioneered this strategy, Peter the Great, wrote a sentence to be read at the coronation of every subsequent tzar. Conquer Constantinopole.
@faeezf
@faeezf 2 жыл бұрын
Well, the russians killed their own tzar. So..
@pete_lind
@pete_lind 2 жыл бұрын
Kick Turkey out , it was taken in for one reason and one reason only , that reason is obsolete . All Turkeys western weapons , no spare parts , good luck with those Russian made military tech . Turkey lets Russian engineers in to inspect their NATO weapons anyway , so one more reason to kick Turkey out .
@Melih_R_Calikoglu
@Melih_R_Calikoglu 2 жыл бұрын
That is true. Russia is a strangely land locked country by the North Pole in the north currently leading to nowhere (may be as ice melts), the East which is too much far away from its strategic centre, the Baltic Sea exit controlled by Scandinavian countries and Mediterranean exit controlled by Turkey. IT has been vigorously fighting to get control of the latter and it must be exhaustive after 500 years.
@aanrrat1354
@aanrrat1354 2 жыл бұрын
@@Melih_R_Calikoglu not just turkey as well, the UK holds Gibraltar and Egypt holds the Suez.
@elpantheon4309
@elpantheon4309 2 жыл бұрын
@@aanrrat1354 egypte holding suez isn't really a problem for them since it is kind of an unaligned country like India Algeria and some other countries in south asia and north africa and south america
@curseofpenguin
@curseofpenguin 2 жыл бұрын
Turkey's nato membership process isn't as simple as you told. We didn't just demand and join. Unlike other nations, Turkey joined Korean war and paid the price with lifes.
@eneskayacan4583
@eneskayacan4583 2 жыл бұрын
Came here to write this
@Swede.from.Boston
@Swede.from.Boston 2 жыл бұрын
Sanction Turkey like Russia until they let Sweden and Finland in Nato.
@gulll3076
@gulll3076 2 жыл бұрын
You are agree
@josephmonk9041
@josephmonk9041 2 жыл бұрын
Korea is not on the Atlantic, it has nothing to do with NATO. The UN fought in the Korean war.
@icup4318
@icup4318 2 жыл бұрын
@@josephmonk9041 yeah, the UN called up on Turkeys military and promised to let them join to the UN. EU also made a similar promise and said they would let Turkey join EU after they let Greece rejoin NATO but back paddled after it's acession to NATO. EU and NATO are whole jokes tbh, and we wonder why Turkey acts like this towards us and sides w Russia more. if we want Turkey to be a part of NATO properly we should first fulfill our promises to them.
@shifusensei6442
@shifusensei6442 2 жыл бұрын
NATO's charter has provisions to defer to UN policy and procedure on issues which it doesn't explicitly address, expulsion being one of them. The UN provision requires a unanimous (except for the nation state being expelled) vote.
@ozkansolmazjr
@ozkansolmazjr 2 жыл бұрын
At 5:52 in NATO countries you have included Greece as a NATO member country. In fact, both countries gained accession to NATO pretty much at the same time.
@jackholler3572
@jackholler3572 Жыл бұрын
Greece left NATO with France later accepted NATO again
@steffenscheibler5849
@steffenscheibler5849 2 жыл бұрын
Cyprus isn't a NATO member, but your map shows it as one. Although Turkey being out of NATO would see that change fairly quickly as they are the (main) reason for Cyprus not being in NATO.
@peterfireflylund
@peterfireflylund 2 жыл бұрын
The Turks have to be kicked out of Cyprus first, though. NATO doesn't accept countries with border disputes (even if -- as in this case -- it is extremely clear what the border is). I, for one, would very much welcome the Turks being kicked out...
@sen_ex
@sen_ex 2 жыл бұрын
They're the main reason for many problems in that region lol, mind you they're still illegally occupying half of Cyprus since their invasion in 1974, which had more or less the same arguments Putin's invasion of Ukraine had
@traindude80
@traindude80 2 жыл бұрын
But I think Cyprus would have a similar case to Ukraine as why it would not be allowed in. Ukraine is being occupied by Russia and Cyprus by Turkey. So as soon as they are allowed in, they could invoke article 5 which would start an instant war.
@cravingtuna1561
@cravingtuna1561 2 жыл бұрын
Literally the only reason. Turkey is the source of Cyprus' border conflict and is the one vetoing their application.
@steffenscheibler5849
@steffenscheibler5849 2 жыл бұрын
@@traindude80 An argument I have heard many times in Cyprus. But that is not how Article 5 works. Equally Article 5 also doesn't work if the NATO member being attacked starts (in the eyes of NATO) the conflict which leads to it being attacked.
@IKEMENOsakaman
@IKEMENOsakaman 2 жыл бұрын
Turkey has a strategic importance geopolitically for NATO. The country is a gateway and also a fence between Europe and the Middle East. Turkey knows that NATO cannot kick them out, and is playing a game to benefit themselves (of course, every country does that, so it's not necessarily an evil thing to do).
@erdemiskooo
@erdemiskooo 2 жыл бұрын
Turkey also has one of the biggest militaries in NATO and acts as bridge between russia and Europe. Losing it would be a big loss
@SkepticalChris
@SkepticalChris 2 жыл бұрын
at the same time Turkey is no friend of Russia. The two nations hate each other and Turkey needs NATO more than NATO needs Turkey.
@PerryKobalt
@PerryKobalt 2 жыл бұрын
@@erdemiskooo I will be glad if Turkey got kicked out of NATO and soon we will invade them from Greek brothers 🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷
@sueyourself5413
@sueyourself5413 2 жыл бұрын
@@erdemiskooo Never underestimate our racism. It's on full display over how we even view Ukraine. Kick out the Ottomans in favour of Nordics? Yeah I can see that appealing to some.
@chrischarlton8225
@chrischarlton8225 2 жыл бұрын
Its evil to do when its at others expense, like the lives of the fins and the sweds
@SlayTYT
@SlayTYT Жыл бұрын
It’s in the name, North Atlantic… not Middle East Treaty Organisation
@cagatayyavuz2786
@cagatayyavuz2786 Жыл бұрын
Military personnel numbers are not as important as "battle experience" and "tactical discipline". American and Turkish troops form the basis of NATO in this respect.
@berkk1993
@berkk1993 2 ай бұрын
🎉
@lustergo
@lustergo 2 жыл бұрын
The main reason why Turkey didn't sanction Russia is that of economy. Turkey has an even bigger energy problem than the rest of europe because we import more than 50% of our oil and gas from Russia. Not to mention the huge amounts of tourists coming from Russia and the nuclear energy plant which is being constructed right now (We are building it with Russia). It would basically mean an economical suicide for Turkey to sanction Russia.
@bertangundogdu
@bertangundogdu 2 жыл бұрын
Also note that Turkey provided Bayraktar drones to Ukraine, which Ukrainien people wrote a song about, and closed off the straits as Ukraine requested. So, it’s not that Turkey sided with Russia at all.
@casbot71
@casbot71 2 жыл бұрын
The 80% figure was from before the invasion of Ukraine? Because Russia is spent as a power, their military _and their military equipment_ is now considered a joke, and they'll have a hard time filling any export orders due to sanctions on imports of vital components. And as for their diplomatic influence …
@alexhennigh5242
@alexhennigh5242 2 жыл бұрын
@@marcosolo6491 To that I says there's the fucking door genocide deniers.
@ameyas7726
@ameyas7726 2 жыл бұрын
Which basically means NATO is useless...because Russia-dependent Turkey will forever Veto anything that goes against Russian interests....Putin simply started this war to humiliate the West.
@jonmcfarmer6954
@jonmcfarmer6954 2 жыл бұрын
@@ameyas7726 No we just remove the veto rights. Anyway Finland and Sweden will join NATO and Erdogan the blackmailer will have to back down. Its all a lot of huffing and puffing from a little unimportant man.
@SwedenTheHedgehog
@SwedenTheHedgehog 2 жыл бұрын
Dude, I am Swedish: While there is a fair bunch of misinformation (or at the very least misleading omission of information) coming from the Turkish government, mostly concerning our position on terrorism and what we think of PYD, YPG and PKK. However, even I realize that there is *no way* that NATO would drop Turkey out of the alliance; especially not for the sole purpose of getting Sweden and Finland in.
@grumpydinosaur2347
@grumpydinosaur2347 2 жыл бұрын
Agree, sweden and finland alrdy has alot of guarantees from strongest nato members and turkey even if not democratic (even if they should be according with "spirit of the Natos contract") is still far more valuable than finland and sweden. Just because black sea and borders in middle east.
@kreb7
@kreb7 2 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't be so sure about that if is Sweden and Finland vs Turkey especialy. you might be surprised
@SamAertgeerts
@SamAertgeerts 2 жыл бұрын
@@grumpydinosaur2347 Untill Turkey stabs NATO in the back when one of his dictator friends attacks a member. 💁
@MrDanisve
@MrDanisve 2 жыл бұрын
While i understand Turkey is important geopolitically. Cause of the straits into the black sea.. I dont really care for the semi dictator. They never embraced academic freedom etc... Honestly dont care if we throw out the Turks. I will allways stand by my neighbors Sweden and FInland. Greetings from Norway. But Turkey can be pushed with soft power, and its mostly Finland that support the kurds i think. I would be ok with dropping Turkey out of morals/ideology. We cannot bend to much on our values. Like democracy..
@kreb7
@kreb7 2 жыл бұрын
@@MrDanisve Actualy theyr is away around blocking dardanelles UNCLOS says is 12mile of territorial waters which that allows Greece to effectively block access to Dardanes to all but the smallest boats even then have to follow such an arduous trip that isn't sade
@AcAc-fi9jf
@AcAc-fi9jf Жыл бұрын
Turkey is also the first country that is invited to join the nato, the reason for this has a lot to do with the korean war in the 50’s. Adnan menderez was president at that time, he hasn’t even asked the turkisch parliament to send troops to korea, because he had tthe majority in the parliament.
@lunafringe10
@lunafringe10 Жыл бұрын
The US got thrashed in the Korean War. China wanted to finish the U.S., but Stalin was against it
@iam.damian
@iam.damian Жыл бұрын
No matter how difficult partner Turkey often times is, it is a very strategically placed one, so it is worth having it as an ally. Not to mention that the common membership of Greece and Turkey in NATO alliance deters them from being at each other's throats all the time. And yeah, I know that there are disagreements with Sweeden, but they should be worked out, because there is a common enemy: Russian bear.
@adrenalin4122
@adrenalin4122 Жыл бұрын
Erdogan will never let sweden in. Russia will attack them hopefully 😅🎉
@justinrozario2003
@justinrozario2003 Жыл бұрын
Western scums, you'll support an islamist dictator who's pushing for genociding and annexing Armenia because "muh strategy" but nooooo Putin is the big bad!!
@justinrozario2003
@justinrozario2003 Жыл бұрын
Shame on u
@adrenalin4122
@adrenalin4122 Жыл бұрын
@@justinrozario2003 shame on your values. Stockholm 82 🇹🇷
@justinrozario2003
@justinrozario2003 Жыл бұрын
@@adrenalin4122 ok terrorist sympathiser
@Husayn0318
@Husayn0318 2 жыл бұрын
Kicking out Turkey would be a strategic blunder. NATO would lose control of the Bosporus and Dardanelles straits, which in turn would make way for Russian expansion in the Mediterranean. Not to mention, the Turks might end up joining the Chinese bloc.
@nostro1940
@nostro1940 2 жыл бұрын
@Stue_Pidhow Iraq had the largest army in the world and look what good it did. Cannon fodder
@nostro1940
@nostro1940 2 жыл бұрын
_turks join the Chinese_ 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂😂🤣😂🤣😂
@m_cahit7952
@m_cahit7952 2 жыл бұрын
@@nostro1940 I hope for 21. century
@staticgrass
@staticgrass 2 жыл бұрын
This is the main reason why Turkey was allowed in to NATO to prevent the USSR taking over a Mediterranean country.
@neilnelson7603
@neilnelson7603 2 жыл бұрын
@@nostro1940 How long did it take USA and its allies to occupy Iraq? Am 100 percent sure it took Americans more than a month to do so. Iraq army lost because it was defending itself from a number of armies from different countries.
@Solapunk
@Solapunk 2 жыл бұрын
Not a chance. They will work it out. Dardanelles straight is too strategically important. Turkey can use this as an opportunity for some favourableness. Finland are pragmatic enough to say some niceties to get this over the line.
@TheRagingPlatypus
@TheRagingPlatypus 2 жыл бұрын
Correct
@charlotteinnocent8752
@charlotteinnocent8752 2 жыл бұрын
I feel the relevance on the straights is NOT as strategical as it used to be. I feel its time to ditch Turkey.
@kristianfagerstrom7011
@kristianfagerstrom7011 2 жыл бұрын
Erdogan seems to have a bigger beef with Sweden - likely due to Swedens condemnation of genocide.
@Meoldson
@Meoldson 2 жыл бұрын
Turkey could be suspended via the Vienna Convention.
@TheRagingPlatypus
@TheRagingPlatypus 2 жыл бұрын
@@charlotteinnocent8752 Still hugely important.
@davehue9517
@davehue9517 Жыл бұрын
Turkey and Erdowan reminds one of that "fairweather" friend that just can never be counted on ...
@subvet3668
@subvet3668 Жыл бұрын
Turkey is too important to kick but a rules change for adding members should be made so that it doesn’t have to be unanimous. Perhaps an 80% threshold.
@frederickpurcell3925
@frederickpurcell3925 Жыл бұрын
Besides they could Russia oout of spite
@BoxStudioExecutive
@BoxStudioExecutive Жыл бұрын
This would severely undermine the mutual defense provision of NATO
@thecurrentmoment
@thecurrentmoment Жыл бұрын
Requiring a unanimous vote gets more difficult the more members you have, which I guess means that membership becomes less and less likely as members are added and the increase in members will inevitably slow down
@schedarr
@schedarr Жыл бұрын
That would make NATO easier to join but unreliable.
@inflames433
@inflames433 Жыл бұрын
You cant force countries to be allies. They should all approve
@Erakius323
@Erakius323 2 жыл бұрын
Could they be? Yes. Will they? No. Strategically, Turkey is far more important to NATO then Sweden and Finland. After all, Turkey has the ability to cut off the Bospherus Straits to all warships. Turkeys drones are currently helping Ukraine fight back. It’s Army is one of the strongest in the NATO Alliance. And Erdogen, regardless his views on economics, is politically smart enough to know that all of these factors, give him serious political leverage. He knows he can demand concessions on this matter, and he will quite likely, get them. Even if it means slowing down Finalnds and Sweden’s NATO membership.
@davidjma7226
@davidjma7226 2 жыл бұрын
Erdogan is desperate for cash. He went on his knees with his begging bowl to MBS - and got nothing other having to lift prosecution of Khashoggi's murderers. His country's central bank is broke and the Lira has cratered. Turkey is dependent on Russia for gas. Putin can turn the lights off and trash the beleaguered economy overnight. Both parties know this. I suspect he has done a deal with his Putin. Totalitarian Dictators stick together especially since Erdogan is cratering in the polls and there is an election next year. Like most Turks he is carpet trader from the souk and will behave just like one - to save himself and his family's own interests.
@ForgottenGames
@ForgottenGames 2 жыл бұрын
Agree , not to mention having a cork on the Islamic Extremist side of Europe (despite them being increasingly Islamic focussed).
@azahel542
@azahel542 2 жыл бұрын
It would be very shortsighted to kick out Turkey. The world needs to find a way to get rid of Erdogan instead.
@wangyi8031
@wangyi8031 2 жыл бұрын
dont agree with the Army thing, size yes its big but id say the Turkey Army is the same as Iraq in 2001 big with terrible leadership , average tech and poor tactics. Turkey always lost many battles and wars even when numbers were on there side. The uk and Australia held them back in ww1, and really greece with its far smaller country and budget could match them in my opinion. You see how many Leopard tanks they lost, there just like Russia over rated. Apart from there location they have far more in common with China and Russia than USA, any country that has military coups does not belong in NATO period
@serenaso4669
@serenaso4669 2 жыл бұрын
Pretty much. Its position is too important to give up. There were rumors i actually find believeble that Erdogan would have swiftly double crossed NATO, if Russia would'nt have proven to be so deeply incompetent with Ukraine invasion. THAT tells a lot about Erdo's awareness of its importance in NATO and how far he can push his BS. His people, on the other hand, looks like are getting more and more fed up with his shanenigans...
@illusivec
@illusivec 2 жыл бұрын
You're conflating EU with NATO. NATO is a defensive pact. It doesn't care if it's members are "democracies" or if they are Islamists. As long as they are willing to defend other member against external threats and doesn't cause too much internal strife, everyone is welcome. Also, you mixed up the timeline for the TR's arms embargo. Turkey tried to buy US made AA systems. The US didn't allow that. Turkey said if the US wasn't selling, they'd buy from Russia. US thought this was bluff. Turns out it wasn't a bluff(surprised Pikachu face) THEN weapons ban on Turkey was implemented. Also, it's important to mention, Sweden and Finland are two of the countries that banned weapons sales to Turkey. Don't you think expecting Turkey to promise to defend SWE if they are attacked by Russia while at the same time SWE is banning weapons sales to Turkey is a bit hypocritical? I think this videos tone is a perfect example of why many westerners think Turkey is "the problem child of Europe". You wouldn't expect the UK to protect France if the France was inviting IRA members to their parliaments and allowing them to do demonstrations against the UK on their streets. Yet all of Europe is expecting Turkey to just forget about Sweden doing all of those things for PKK. You might see the PKK as brave freedom fighters but that doesn't change the fact that they are considered a Terorist organisation by UN, USA and EU. Not to mention they've killed tens of thousands of Turkish civilians since 70s in bomb attacks. This is the irony of modern Turkey. Too "oriental" for westerners, too "western" for Arabs. I think Angela Merkel put it best. EU is a Christian club. No matter how "progressive" Turkey is, it'll never be a European country nor it will ever be a "natural" member of any Christian club as you rightly said in this video. Honestly, once the Russian thread is dealt with, I wouldn't be surprised if TR left NATO on it's own and forged closer ties with Asia.
@illusivec
@illusivec 2 жыл бұрын
Oh also, coups in Turkey aren't like coups in other countries. None of the military coups in Turkey's history resulted in military staying in power for more than a few years at most. What happened in Turkey is, military took power, "disposed of" the undesirable political elements wether they be Islamists or communists and then they do an actual democratic election and let go of the political power.
@mustafaozcan59
@mustafaozcan59 2 жыл бұрын
How do you know all these stuff are u turkish
@minerran
@minerran 2 жыл бұрын
Flanker, I've never heard "westerners" claiming Turkey was the "problem child of Europe" as you claim, nor do I hear anything negative said about Turkey, certainly not here in the U.S . media. If you are a Turk and are offended by comments the Europeans have made about Turkey then please say "Europeans" and not "Westerners" because that includes everybody including U.S.A, Canada, etc. Document who is saying it and how others can verify its true.
@realtalk6195
@realtalk6195 2 жыл бұрын
@@minerran US mainstream media doesn't cover Turkey too much (but US online media certainly does) but politicians, lobbyists and think-tanks certainly do. That's why they have arms embargoes on Turkey and even trying to sanction Turkey's own domestic industry. The Armenian and Greek lobby (and some Indians) were trying to get the US to sanction Turkish drones, and 28 congressmen signed their letter, just last year. Biden even signed a bill to "investigate" Turkish-made drones.
@realtalk6195
@realtalk6195 2 жыл бұрын
@@minerran If US politicians like Bob Menendez and dozens of others like him, and hundreds of anti-Turkey lobbyists weren't getting the US to crack down on Turkey's interests even though it makes no geopolitical sense and is 90% of the time counter-productive to US' own interests (AKA the US' schizophrenic foreign-policy), then the Europeans would have no room or leg to stand on to do the same. They do it because the US does it.
@paulfribbs8516
@paulfribbs8516 2 жыл бұрын
France & England refused to side with helping Turkey upgrade pre WW1, as they wanted to carve it up as it continued to gradually fall apart! That is Why Germany stepped in to fend off the French & Poms, with the technical help they needed to modernise!
@idontexist1681
@idontexist1681 2 жыл бұрын
And they gave practically 0 modern weapons to the ottomans. Germany just wanted to block british access to india, but their battle plans failed miserably because germany's worst generals went to the ottoman empire.
@hakansonmez3442
@hakansonmez3442 2 жыл бұрын
NATO needs Turkey more than Turkey needs NATO. Thanks for clarifying.
@paulvogel5582
@paulvogel5582 Жыл бұрын
Not really.
@hakansonmez3442
@hakansonmez3442 Жыл бұрын
@@paulvogel5582 I would extend my comment to the EU. Turkiye is a loyal ally but it takes mutual good faith and effort to build or sustain goodwill and exemplary /respectful relations between allies.
@selcuk7410
@selcuk7410 2 жыл бұрын
This video is full of inaccuracies… First of all its such a bold claim to say for Turkey it was a marriage of convenience.. Turkey has expressed her interest for Nato membership from the beginning. However as it was originally designed solely as a transatlantic alliance, US wasn’t really willing expand Nato southeastwards. Only after the membership of Italy it actually became a matter of discussion and consequently Turkey and Greece became Nato members SIMULTANEOUSLY back in 52. More importantly, implying TR to be “in cahoots” with RUS is appalling to me and totally disregards the fact that TR was literally fighting proxy wars against RUS in SYRIA as well as LIBYA meanwhile supplying UKR with weapons even before the war breakout (I would also like to remind you that EU countries were expressing their concerns for this) And a final point, while TR has been one of the biggest supporters for the UKR membership, within NATO, some other members were dragging their feet. we don’t question their place in the alliance for their objections but when TR expresses its security concerns as a precondition for the enlargement the alliance she immediately becomes “the Russian trojan horse” TR has many shortcomings, its democracy is in shambles (hopefully it will start changing in 23), its foreign policy time to time lacks finesse and more. But I strongly believe TR is not the only party to blame for the poor status of its relationship with the west, I think keeping TR in this family is beneficial not only for TR citizens but also for Europeans and N. Americans as well because the alternative is just perpetual instability at the alliance’s southern flank. TLDR: I appreciate NATOs utility of anchoring TR to the west in these shaky times but to repair structural problems we need more empathy on both sides. … cannot believe I wrote my first ever comment on this shit
@icup4318
@icup4318 2 жыл бұрын
If US and NATO actually stood by Turkey in their times of needs esipecially handing over FETO I highly doubt Turkey would be like this.
@zjeee
@zjeee 2 жыл бұрын
@@icup4318 NATO has no agreements about handing over political opposition figures to each other. Besides EU and US are democracies you cannot just hand over individuals for political reasons. Turkey would actually have to prove that these individuals committed crimes that would constitute as crimes in the states they are currently residing. Just because Erdogan says they are BAD DUDES does not mean we can simply ship them off like that, that's not how it works in countries where the political system and the judiciary are separated.
@zjeee
@zjeee 2 жыл бұрын
​@UAE Emirates Turks have a really hard time to understand that there are no laws against having a PKK flag. Yes the group is designated a terrorist organization but that doesn't mean regular people aren't allowed to wave their flags. There are no laws against waving an ISIS flag either but if you're part of the group you'll get thrown into jail or extradited. It's a different system and maybe it's hard for people from the Middle East to understand the concept of freedom of speech and expression but there is a huge difference between waving a flag and being a member of a terrorist organization to them. I know a lot of Turks also could not understand why it's not a crime to burn a Quo'ran in Sweden. Different system, different laws. Freedom of expression and speech is a factor.
@thesoundinyourhead1782
@thesoundinyourhead1782 2 жыл бұрын
@UAE Emirates and how does that mean that Sweden supports pkk you smart? Have you completely lost the meaning of freedom or so used to staged provocation that you think this act had some secret support from Swedish deep state?
@samilo28
@samilo28 2 жыл бұрын
@@zjeee there is more than enough evidence for FETO and PKK. You just need to google for 5 sec. But even he calls PKK a working Party in this video. Which is wrong. PKK is a terrorist group like FETO.
@Homer-OJ-Simpson
@Homer-OJ-Simpson 2 жыл бұрын
1:48 you have a list of the Russo-Turkish wars. Most of those before 1800 were europe helping the growing Russia because Europe’s main concern was to weaken the ottomans. There is one war missing in the map in Crimean war of 1853 with ottomans and Europe against Russia. Europe at this point saw ottomans were weak and now wanted to container Russia. Russia lost the Crimean war
@user-ku6bt9ob5j
@user-ku6bt9ob5j 2 жыл бұрын
As usual Europe does, in my opinion russian should to gang up with Turkey in the past
@TheScalysnake
@TheScalysnake Жыл бұрын
This question was on my mind thanks, looking forward to watching it. *** Man that is some colorful history on turky.. would love an update on this
@amirhosainpirmoradi6754
@amirhosainpirmoradi6754 2 жыл бұрын
i know there are a lot of hats but i think video was so good and had some really good points keep it up👌
@flowerchild8450
@flowerchild8450 2 жыл бұрын
Hmm, not sure how smart of a move that would be considering it could move them closer to Russia’s orbit which would run contrary to the goal of isolating Russia.
@dervakommtvonhinten517
@dervakommtvonhinten517 2 жыл бұрын
question is how relevant russia will be in the future
@tiaelago-oretukaumunika7017
@tiaelago-oretukaumunika7017 2 жыл бұрын
@@dervakommtvonhinten517 apparently relevant enough for traditionally neutral finland and sweden to want to join🤔 if the threat is russia (which it clearly is) then turkey, being the second strongest NATO country is far more valuable than the swedes or finns
@AIArtworks45
@AIArtworks45 2 жыл бұрын
You underestimate the hatred between russians and turks. Not even Erdogan can sell a friendship with Russia to his people. As of now, Erdogan is more neutral than other nato countries, but turks are not. In fact, turks are so happy that Russia is beeing spanked in Ukraine that Erdogan is in a tough spot.
@arcticwulf5796
@arcticwulf5796 2 жыл бұрын
Question is how much is Turkey willing to choose the Russian to be under the sphere of influence of Russia. It is not like Turkey can play ball and be more cooperative to benefit itself more.
@adhirbose9910
@adhirbose9910 2 жыл бұрын
Considered the fact that both Russia and Turkey are financially broke, and run by a bunch of thugs, and the historical enmity between the two, it's likely to be a match made in hell. The Russians would initially be thrilled that Turkey is no longer a NATO member, but they are not in the position to be a ( economic) alternative to the west, also without the NATO sheild the Russians will come down on Turkey like a ton of bricks! So maybe Turkey can form a new ( Islamic) alliance with Qatar ( financier) Pakistan ( nukes) Iran ( mutual dislike and awe of the west)?
@Aabergm
@Aabergm 2 жыл бұрын
I feel that with Turkey controlling Black Sea access they will never be expelled from NATO they like most of history are in a really really really good strategic location.
@Christobanistan
@Christobanistan 2 жыл бұрын
And Turkey, likewise, needs NATO. They are a good match politically, militarily, and even culturally. This whole video is clickbait.
@alikurt9771
@alikurt9771 Жыл бұрын
no they can't be expelled from n*to because its not legally possible
@chriskalogrias926
@chriskalogrias926 Жыл бұрын
I'd like only to add 1 thing to that. Black sea is a closed one. Whoever wanna come outta the straits answers to greeks. I don't want this little information to be forgotten. No matter who controls that sea. We are in control.
@hakang1331
@hakang1331 Жыл бұрын
@@chriskalogrias926 False the Eagean see is not controlled by Greece, Greece have just Islands there. Thats why greece try to expend the see border from 6 to 12 mile but Turkey rejeceted that, it would mean that Greece could stop Turkish ships from Black Sea, and thats not acceptable. As Humans we like Greeks and Greek culture, its just politics
@chriskalogrias926
@chriskalogrias926 Жыл бұрын
@@hakang1331 Well, we have islands right next to your coast, you don't suggest we don't control that sea around them do you? I am pretty sure, you can let us do that and have even special passage right forever as our very good friend and neighbour. You see who we are, it's all in your hands. We want to be smart together better. You do this for us, with assurance of undisputed passage, we do something for you on some other place. Why not solve this finally? What happened is a wake up call. We don't really hate each other, no matter how selfish we become and write hurtful things here. We can find solutions. We must, so you and we can both prosper. We both need that more than a war.
@dubsar
@dubsar Жыл бұрын
It just makes more sense to kick out Erdogan than Türkiye...
@toddclean547
@toddclean547 Жыл бұрын
The US and Britain etc could just make their own alliance with Finland and Sweden. I believe these 2 countries together could wipe out Russia (conventional) anyway.
@kawaiiobama8079
@kawaiiobama8079 2 жыл бұрын
I feel like his videos are more about pushing a narrative than providing information.
@richardbug3094
@richardbug3094 2 жыл бұрын
Always have been
@kasyon3150
@kasyon3150 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah this channel has lost a lot of impartiality, And there is an obvious narrative being pushed. The amount of non-factual information has shot up dramatically, where opinions and fear-mongering are being pushed instead. I mean just in this video he claims Turkey and Greece almost went to war in 2020, which is ludicrious. It would also help if he proof-read his script, he states kurdish rebellions occured in the west of Turkey at 4:32 which is not true, it was south-eastern Turkey.
@ShadowD2C
@ShadowD2C 2 жыл бұрын
exactly, specifically the fact that Sweden does not back Kurdish groups. this is as false as false gets
@Christobanistan
@Christobanistan 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah. Turkey is critical to the alliance. A few rebels hiding in Sweden and Finland are absolutely NOT. An agreement is already close to being ironed out.
@bertangundogdu
@bertangundogdu 2 жыл бұрын
Turkey joined the Korean war in 1950, just before becoming a member of NATO, and although it seems unrelated to NATO, it was actually the "price" or the "goodwill" act that Turkey paid to get into NATO. Also, even though I agree that buying weapons from Russia was a stupid move, it was a reaction to US not selling Patriots to Turkey. And Finland and Sweden has weapon ambargos towards Turkey... I am disappointed that these "details" are overlooked in the video.
@Sadoyasturadoglu
@Sadoyasturadoglu 2 жыл бұрын
Thats true.
@mirandapillsbury7885
@mirandapillsbury7885 2 жыл бұрын
you are right Bertan.
@kinga6347
@kinga6347 2 жыл бұрын
I mean every news channel has biases so its not surprising they also have a bias. Especially since TLDR has on occasion "missed" important details in videos about Turkey
@iCarNaya
@iCarNaya 2 жыл бұрын
Nobody wants to sell arms to a bully, except maybe, a bully. Like Russia.
@JasTheKariol
@JasTheKariol 2 жыл бұрын
Why not embrago Turkey? It is not threatened by ANYONE. It is actually the one that is threatening others, I mean just look at the sea they want to steal from Cyprus and Greece. I would embargo a regime with the same head of state for 2 decades now (!) any day of the week.
@drbobcaster
@drbobcaster 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the history lesson.
@GreeKurdChannelMilan
@GreeKurdChannelMilan Жыл бұрын
Right now, Nato looks bad.
@CDang-ms6dc
@CDang-ms6dc 2 жыл бұрын
Even if there is a mechanism that could be used to kick out Turkey, such an act may well push Turkey to Russia's side.
@pezhmand3056
@pezhmand3056 2 жыл бұрын
​@Christina Evans neo Nazi Swedish politics ? I duno what part of the world u live in but Sweden and Finland are as close as u can come to real democracy, they value human life and rights.
@wololoooxd3288
@wololoooxd3288 2 жыл бұрын
Oh we are in russian side in our minds dont worry , only in physically we are in nato. We know how europeans are backstabber
@sk8erbyern
@sk8erbyern 2 жыл бұрын
@@pezhmand3056 good joke
@user-ot2yz7it7i
@user-ot2yz7it7i 2 жыл бұрын
@@pezhmand3056 yeah human rights by kidnapping children away from their parents and brainwashing them and giving their trauma for life. I have no idea if they are true democracy or not but they suck and should be viewed as hostile.
@michaldenkiewicz4050
@michaldenkiewicz4050 Жыл бұрын
good job turkey,sweden should not be in nato
@LosT4088
@LosT4088 2 жыл бұрын
Turkey controls the straits to the Black Sea, meaning easy access to Russian held crimea and other regions. So, no, Turkey accession to NATO makes sense, your video does not depict the whole story
@redgevhere
@redgevhere 2 жыл бұрын
He actually does state this exact reason for inclusion, so obviously you didnt watch the whole video
@balam314
@balam314 2 жыл бұрын
It's useful for NATO, but Turkey doesn't fit in. Also this exact point is mentioned in the video that you clearly didn't watch before leaving a negative comment?
@thesoundinyourhead1782
@thesoundinyourhead1782 2 жыл бұрын
Straits are not so valuable as they used to be. Alexandroupolis port in west thrace have completely replaced it. Alexandroupolis port and eastern Balkan is the passage for defence equipment support to Ukraine.
@chadleonidas3061
@chadleonidas3061 2 жыл бұрын
Greece can also block anyone from going to the Black sea or getting out of it
@paxromana5834
@paxromana5834 Жыл бұрын
I have my issues with Turkey, but i don't think it's right (or wise) to kick them out because they have beef with Sweden. All of us have the right to deny a member from joining because we are expected to die for the sake of that new member.
@buttercupwisely
@buttercupwisely 2 жыл бұрын
If Turkey leaves NATO, it will spell the beginning of the end of NATO
@GeceBulusmalar
@GeceBulusmalar 2 жыл бұрын
i agree that Turkiye is pure power of nato
@Epikindinosepikindinos
@Epikindinosepikindinos 2 жыл бұрын
Nato is already DEAD
@sbd03
@sbd03 2 жыл бұрын
@Christina Evans It could happen if Finland and Sweden hand over the terrorists they harbor to Turkey.
@henryaybaz7409
@henryaybaz7409 2 жыл бұрын
@Christina Evans yes, sweeden and finland need to stop supporting terrorist organnisations in middle east.
@syarifidayat
@syarifidayat 2 жыл бұрын
@Christina Evans U.S refuse selling air defence to Turkey that leading Turkey bought S-400 even get sanction from US and Greece also bought a same thing but no one give sanction on them, NATO also refuse to help Turkey built Nuclear Plant to reduce Russia influence in energy cost, even helps Gulen and PKK making chaos in Turkey. Be more realistics, it because religion but no one said it is
@cengizsogutlu
@cengizsogutlu 2 жыл бұрын
Turkey sacrifice a brigade in Korea to join NATO. While Sweden and Finland enjoying neutralism
@Pidalin
@Pidalin 2 жыл бұрын
But why? What has Turkey to do with Korea?
@alvdansen7172
@alvdansen7172 2 жыл бұрын
While Sweden is being neautral (on paper) we saved millions of lives! Saved many jews and held shelter for refugees in WW2 while traying to keep the peace in a situation there we were surrounded by two enemy power houses (Hitler and the Suvjet union). We also did fight alongside the finns when the Suviet union attacked Finland (The winter war) with at least 15,000 of swedish volunteer soliders. Swedish volunteer soliders helped America in their military too and we were the only nation that were able to crack the secrets codes that contained info about Hitlers plans so we gave that info to the nations we considered to be our allies. Sweden decided to be neutral (on paper) because it was the safest way to keep innocent people from dying. That is nothing you should blame us for you idiot!! Excuse us for not wanting to sacrifice our people, we are in good terms with Nato because we help alot. We help other Nato memebers with their military tech and more so we don't need to be in war in order to show Nato what we can do, we already reach all requirements.
@Pidalin
@Pidalin 2 жыл бұрын
@@alvdansen7172 But even before, you attacked half of Europe and took our art to Sweden. 🙂
@alvdansen7172
@alvdansen7172 2 жыл бұрын
​@@Pidalin You mean the Swedish Empire? Or when we were Vikings? Everyone started war with each other for power and land at that time so it was popular. Things def changed! :)
@Pidalin
@Pidalin 2 жыл бұрын
@@alvdansen7172 I mean when you looted Prague during 30 years war. 🙂
@timothylittlefield
@timothylittlefield 2 жыл бұрын
Great video!!!!!!!!
@sultanipanj
@sultanipanj 2 жыл бұрын
turkey shot down a Russian jet, something no other NATO member has ever dated to do. NATO needs it more then vice versa
@traindude80
@traindude80 2 жыл бұрын
An interesting irony of history is that the Russian SFSR actually helped Turkey get to a more powerful position after WWI. While Mustafa Kemal (later Atatürk) was organizing his resistance against the occupying Allies, the Turkish nationalists secured support from the newly established Russian SFSR (which was also in the midst of a civil war for control of their country). Lenin viewed Mustafa Kemal's campaign as a way to contain expansion of the west's sphere of influence in the middle east. Russian support of gold and weapons greatly helped the Turkish nationalists in their military campaigns against Greece and France and the Red Army even helped secure Turkey's gains in the east, following the Turco-Armenian war. Once the Treaty of Laussanne was signed, this saved Turkey from being an impoverished rump state in central Anatolia (per the Treaty of Sevres), to securing its full independence in its current borders (except for Hatay, which joined in 1939). Ironically it also helped Turkey kick the Allies out of Constantinople (Istanbul) and put the Turkish straits under Turkish control again. Roughly 20 years later, Stalin's expansionist policies would be set back due to the support his mentor and predecessor offered the Turks. Also a quick addition, Turkey heavily westernized in the interwar period. As president, Atatürk greatly reformed the country and transformed it from an Islamic monarchy to a secular, modern, western state - which is why Turkey is light years ahead of the Middle East in terms of societal norms and culture. So the Turkey that joined NATO in 1952 wasn't the same country that fought the Allies in WWI, it was seen as a potential ally of the west. Turkey's only real setbacks with NATO was its troubled relationship with Greece (Aegean islands and Cypurs) and more recently Erdogan trying to socially set the country back by 500 years.
@ersinhuseyinoglu7872
@ersinhuseyinoglu7872 2 жыл бұрын
True, Soviet Russia helped Turkish independence War and later the young republic. It is still possible to see the effects in Turkey in terms of several established industrial facilities and even some statues (emphasizing the workers' efforts). It came to stop when they increased their 'interest' in straits and politics in Turkey. Sometimes i wonder what would happen if the relation between Turkey and Soviet Russia stayed better with no hidden agenda against each other.
@theyeening
@theyeening 2 жыл бұрын
>Occupying Allies Yes, because Greeks and Armenians were definitely "occupying" their own indigenous homeland...
@traindude80
@traindude80 2 жыл бұрын
@@theyeening Since you seem to purposefully miss the point, here is the definition of "occupation" from Miriam-Webster: "the holding and control of an area by a foreign military force" The term "Occupying Allies" refers to the militaries of the UK, Greece, France and Italy. NOT the people of non-Turkish ethnicity that live in the region. So yes, Greece (the Kingdom of Greece, so you don't get it twisted) was occupying east Thrace and west Anatolia, since they were part of another country.
@peterfireflylund
@peterfireflylund 2 жыл бұрын
Yet another crime by the Communists :( Imagine how much better off Turkey would have been if the smart parts didn't have the morons of Anatolia to drag them down.
@peterfireflylund
@peterfireflylund 2 жыл бұрын
@@traindude80 Oh, alright, so by "occupying allies" you actually mean the people protecting the Greeks and Armenians against Turkish oppression? In other words, they were the good guys?
@tonyhawk94
@tonyhawk94 2 жыл бұрын
Turkey is a smart country, as a French i know we often do not get along but i respect their strategic vision, something many europeans are simply lacking.
@irfanbozkurt9194
@irfanbozkurt9194 2 жыл бұрын
mostly because European citizens live inside the bubble created by the media & European academics(only on social sciences, of course). European sovereignty has been built upon some keywords like democracy and free press, hence public thinks these values are preserved by the EU and not by other countries. That's one of the main reasons why anyone would list the Jewish genocide and the Armenian genocide as the worst things happened in history, ignoring all the crimes committed by the white man: Chinese Opium wars, a controlled famine in India, Belgian invasion of Kongo, The French on Africa, ENTIRE Native American population getting killed (not even called a genocide) etc. Real-politics is lacked by EU/US citizens. Hope it won't cause so much trouble with the Russians upcoming.
@getyourfactsstraight6120
@getyourfactsstraight6120 2 жыл бұрын
Well every French with knowledge in History should know that even Napoleon knew how the Turks are.
@TunaFish556
@TunaFish556 2 жыл бұрын
we do be thinkerin lol
@getyourfactsstraight6120
@getyourfactsstraight6120 2 жыл бұрын
@@irfanbozkurt9194 French colonial history is full of white - washing to this day
@MelkorPT
@MelkorPT 2 жыл бұрын
@@irfanbozkurt9194 Don't even get me started on what white people did to the Neanderthals! We truly live in a bubble...
@MyLittleMagneton
@MyLittleMagneton Жыл бұрын
They actually CAN kick Turkey out of NATO based on the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties, article 60 2.A.
@scp096here
@scp096here Жыл бұрын
Turkey has Joined the NATO at the Korean War.They had to send Soldiers to Join NATO He didnt explain that.
@sabomarov7279
@sabomarov7279 2 жыл бұрын
Now why would anyone think its a good idea? Turkey is the ONLY NATO country that's DIRECTLY fighting Russia in 2 fronts: Libya and Syria, on top of fighting them indirectly in Ukraine and the caucasus. Turkey is NATO's 2nd largest army and its southern front. Is little Bulgaria going to protect NATO's south from Russia? Edit: its also worth mentioning that Turkey is why the black sea isn't a Russian lake
@winterinvicta
@winterinvicta 2 жыл бұрын
Well NATO doesn't need protection from the south... Russia cant launch and sustain a naval invasion into Bulgaria or even Romania. The only thing Turkey is doing is annoying Russia it has no purpose you can barley drive a army through turkey its too hilly.
@sabomarov7279
@sabomarov7279 2 жыл бұрын
@@winterinvicta so you're willing to sacrifice NATO's second largest army because its "hilly" and "we don't need protection"? One thing I forgot to mention is do you know that the only reason the black Sea isn't a Russian lake is because of Turkey?
@winterinvicta
@winterinvicta 2 жыл бұрын
@@sabomarov7279 well your wrong its because the Russian Empire collapsed also because France and Britain are annoying.
@joetrump2983
@joetrump2983 Жыл бұрын
That's explained NATO hypocrisy, cries about russian aggressions but it's okay for European aggressions against Libya and syria
@robertolsson1058
@robertolsson1058 Жыл бұрын
Turkey army is same shit standard like russia.
@fcole90
@fcole90 2 жыл бұрын
Given that this is TLDR EU, I think it'd be useful to convert the Nebula price to € as well 😊
@mickelodiansurname9578
@mickelodiansurname9578 2 жыл бұрын
There's always one nit-picky nerd in a bunch of nerds... lol
@nostro1940
@nostro1940 2 жыл бұрын
It's TLDR EU but its full of unemployed turks frustrated at their visa rejections
@maddogbasil
@maddogbasil 2 жыл бұрын
This video seems incredibly euro biased But its understandable this is a british new channel so why wouldn't they be more biased to European politics
@blackfalcon1324
@blackfalcon1324 2 жыл бұрын
I mean euros are basically the same as USD right now.
@lukepurchon1853
@lukepurchon1853 2 жыл бұрын
Definitely about time!!
@jameslewis2635
@jameslewis2635 Жыл бұрын
Right now, as a NATO member, Turkey seems to be more trouble than it's worth. If it wasn't for it's tactical positioning at the entrance to the black sea I feel that the rest of NATO would be showing them far less patience than they have done to date.
@yulusar
@yulusar 2 жыл бұрын
You completely skipped the part how Turkey fought in the Korean war and lost thousands of soldiers to get accepted into NATO
@mateenundre1415
@mateenundre1415 2 жыл бұрын
Brother this is western style propaganda channel,
@tsifty1
@tsifty1 2 жыл бұрын
My man many nations took part in the war, so there isn’t any propaganda taking place for the 5000 soldiers you send over. Pocket Change under the circumstances …
@yulusar
@yulusar 2 жыл бұрын
@@tsifty1 5000 soldiers?!? Nope. Turkey lost most soldiers after USA and UK in that war
@tsifty1
@tsifty1 2 жыл бұрын
@@yulusar oh y’a Genius, what’s the number then and the source of your info. ?
@yulusar
@yulusar 2 жыл бұрын
@@tsifty1 History books. Or have you heard of 'google'????
@minerran
@minerran 2 жыл бұрын
Turkey is a very important and powerful Nato member who also controls access to the Black Sea! We should not be talking about kicking out Turkey. Its up to Sweden and Finland to convince Turkey to let them in. It depends on how badly they want in. Other countries should not interfere. That's my opinion for whatever its worth.
@GokhanYilmazturk
@GokhanYilmazturk 2 жыл бұрын
You are absolutely right ! And this video is really shameful and absurd. I don't know who is financing this channel but it is obvious that the source of their money is not just the stupid things they sell online...
@UltraCasualPenguin
@UltraCasualPenguin 2 жыл бұрын
PKK members can't get to Finland. What else can we do to you? If you want YPG and that third group classified as terrorist groups then give your evidence to EU. Before that there's nothing we can do without making it civil or human rights issue.
@GokhanYilmazturk
@GokhanYilmazturk 2 жыл бұрын
@@UltraCasualPenguin haha are you serious? Where do you think the PKK admins live? Iraq? Syria? Nordics are heaven for them (pretty far away from Turkish jurisdiction and Turkish armies' operation range)
@Ironage99
@Ironage99 2 жыл бұрын
The comparison of military personnel equalling military power is totally ridiculous.
@larsnielsen1852
@larsnielsen1852 Жыл бұрын
Actually most other NATO countries don’t. They have values in common Turkey no longer shares. For example none of the others are threatening their allies with war everyday as routinely as they say good morning,
@asdawece
@asdawece 2 жыл бұрын
Before asking this question think about "What if Turkey was alligned with China and Russia?". Imagine Turkish drones was destroing Ukranian forces instead of Russian forces. Think about the countries neigbouring black sea. How world would look like if Turkey was hosting Chinese military bases instead of NATO military bases.
@icup4318
@icup4318 2 жыл бұрын
ppl just dumb tbh
@ampulsuper
@ampulsuper 2 жыл бұрын
It would be better for turkey. Europe doesnt like turks they would find better place in china iran russia 😚
@zjeee
@zjeee 2 жыл бұрын
@@ampulsuper Yeah let's ignore 600 years of history why Russia and Turkey have ALWAYS been rivals and constantly fighting each other for 600 years. If Turkey liked Russians they would not have joined NATO in the first place.
@ayhanceyhan7426
@ayhanceyhan7426 2 жыл бұрын
China is our 5,000-year-old enemy 😂 My ancestors defeated the Chinese armies 10 times their size with few people, we were born warriors, so we have a name all over the world
@cobaltbomba4310
@cobaltbomba4310 2 жыл бұрын
@@ayhanceyhan7426 none had ever cross the great Wall of China since the emergence of this planet. I don't know how Turks have something to do with China thousands of miles away. I can also claim to have conquered the world by my ancient ancestors, that doesn't mean it is truth because histories are mostly fabricated and mythical.
@neilnelson7603
@neilnelson7603 2 жыл бұрын
Even if Turkey was to be removed from NATO, it would still be a major problem as it will have no obligation not to allow Russian navy access all the black sea routes. Turkey out of NATO will be a gift to the Russians.
@rojavabashur6455
@rojavabashur6455 2 жыл бұрын
Russia is not a threat. Turkey is the new threat.
@123456qwful
@123456qwful 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly if turkey was kicked from nato it just might be what russia need to as well as make a new ally in Europe both to defend it southern region, but also a trade partner
@neilnelson7603
@neilnelson7603 2 жыл бұрын
@Leah Peah Siding with the Kurds is a dumb idea cause it means Europeans are trying to once again change the borders of Iraq, Syria, Iran and Turkey all at the same time. It will literally unite the middle east, making Europeans the world's number one enemy once again.
@neilnelson7603
@neilnelson7603 2 жыл бұрын
@@123456qwful exactly 💯
@zjeee
@zjeee 2 жыл бұрын
@@123456qwful Russia and Turkey ally? Sounds as likely as Russia and America getting allied. Or India and Pakistan. You do realize Turkey and Russia has been fighting each other for 600 years right? They are historical rivals.
@fjw-AT5145
@fjw-AT5145 11 ай бұрын
There is always a way. Dissolve the current NATO framework and make a new one (NATO 2.0) without Turkey and include a mechanism for kicking out troublemakers in the future.
@simonbrown5009
@simonbrown5009 2 жыл бұрын
How do you spell February?
@prometheusjackson8787
@prometheusjackson8787 2 жыл бұрын
So you'd kick out one of the largest militaries on the planet for two mid sized countries? Gee guy, don't think that's very smart
@georgedevries3992
@georgedevries3992 2 жыл бұрын
You're kidding right?
@prometheusjackson8787
@prometheusjackson8787 2 жыл бұрын
@@georgedevries3992 what do you want?
@georgedevries3992
@georgedevries3992 2 жыл бұрын
@@prometheusjackson8787 I guess it's pretty obvious. And if you are gonna argue about the straits and the army, then you got another thing coming.
@prometheusjackson8787
@prometheusjackson8787 2 жыл бұрын
@@georgedevries3992 It's funny you can't actually articulate your point. Go away
@zjeee
@zjeee 2 жыл бұрын
You didn't watch the video? He did say it's unlikely and won't happen due to the size of the military and the strategic importance? So basically you just read the name of the video and assumed that was his stance lol? I will admit it's a little bit click-bait but you obviously did not watch the whole video my man.
@Emanon...
@Emanon... 2 жыл бұрын
Turkey is strategically and militarily vastly more valuable than Sweden or even Finland. Effectively controlling the Black Sea, projecting power into the Caucasus and Middle East is more important than "winning bigger" in the Baltic and North Sea.
@Swede.from.Boston
@Swede.from.Boston 2 жыл бұрын
Sanction Turkey like Russia until they let Sweden and Finland in Nato.
@dos3722
@dos3722 2 жыл бұрын
As a swede i Agree ,but if Finland were to join and not sweden . The only possible russian acceptable island for Nato would be swedish island gotland . Artikle 5 for baltic states would be even Harder to achieve witthout sweden in and with Finland in ..Thats the hard fact.... that puts sweden in a very strange position. bilateral agreement instead with us uk and Other northern european countries Will be needed . Lets Face it ...turkey is to faraway from Estonia..
@sirsurnamethefirstofhisnam7986
@sirsurnamethefirstofhisnam7986 2 жыл бұрын
Turkey causes vastly more problems for its own “Allies” and than Finland and Sweden would. One of natos biggest problems is two of its own members turkey and Greece fighting each other
@johni9073
@johni9073 2 жыл бұрын
Finland and Estonia in NATO can easily blockade St Petersburg by sea. The Baltic as a NATO lake is going to guarantee that Russia strengthens Kaliningrad with nukes and the like, right in the heart of Europe. What brilliant strategy from those who believe that not only Britain (and Turkey) can have stupid politicians, but Finland and Sweden too. A more intelligent bunch would have sounded all this out BEFORE going public with any moves. Incompetence by the Stoltenberg crowd arrogantly and unthinkingly trying to bounce Turkey, and now trying to cover for this incompetence with fig leaves and talk of U-turns by Erdogan, when he may not be around after elections in 2023! Luckily perhaps, the stupid MHP in Turkey with its senile leader who has never won any election other than that for leading his progressively diminishingly, marginally popular party which may well not make it into parliament next year on its own, is now touting for Turkey to leave NATO. Some nitwits even think that this issue should lead to the EU cancelling Turkey's candidature for membership, which of course, Erdogan would love. It would play straight into his hands in this game of brinkmanship as to who would cancel first!
@user-mh6hw3ed6q
@user-mh6hw3ed6q 2 жыл бұрын
i think Finland and Sweden will declarate pkk as terrorist organization like EU and USA did and they will get in NATO.
@G.G716
@G.G716 Жыл бұрын
Claiming to explain Turkiye’s NATO membership history but not mentioning the sacrifices and 890 casualities from Turkish army during Korea war, can be explained by malevolence or ignorance… you pick one.
@furkanorbay6691
@furkanorbay6691 2 жыл бұрын
some misinformation. First of all, you said Turkey doesn't fit nato however, you didn't tell the wars Turkey was in to give large support to nato. Korean war etc. You didn't tell that USA refused giving patriot air defense then Turkey purchased air defence from Russia. yet Turkey is not the first nato that pruchased russian system. Greece got the same air defence system from Russia and nobody tells anything. Moreover, where potantial Turkey-Russia war just a few years ago. You didn't even mention plane was shot by Turkey. Plus, Proxy wars between Russia and Turkey again You did not mention. In Armenia, Syria, Libya. Turkey had proxy war with Russia. You don't know anything mate sorry. Just read all of sources if you can Thanks
@mrnorthz9373
@mrnorthz9373 2 жыл бұрын
Bunu neden anlamıyorlar
@Lord_Merterus
@Lord_Merterus 2 жыл бұрын
A correction: The US did infact agree to sell us Patriots Though they did not fully accept our technology transfer requests so we ended up purchasing S400's
@mrnorthz9373
@mrnorthz9373 2 жыл бұрын
@@Lord_Merterus sagol kanka
@GkTheodore
@GkTheodore 2 жыл бұрын
You are the one who is misinformed! >Greece got the same air defence system from Russia and nobody tells anything. 1) It was Cyprus which purchased the S-300 system. Cyprus Is not a NATO member! 2) Then turkey started bitching about it because it said it disrupted the balance of powers! (Which is turkey's way of saying that "we hate whichever change makes it harder for us to attack neighbours")! Because it is clearly a defence weapon, they even started "spreading the word" that the S-300 could be used to attack civilian land targets in turkey! (I remember because I was talking to turks in IRC chat rooms back then! SOoo STUPID)! 3) To avoid war, a US brokered solution was followed where the S-300 would be transferred to Greece and stationed in a distance that would deprive turkey of any excuses. 4) You also "conveniently forget", that back then in the 90's, NATO was no longer seeing Russia as a threat. Not by a long shot!
@9000giannis
@9000giannis 2 жыл бұрын
Greece got s300 air defense not s400, and it got it a long time ago.
@kasperchristensen8416
@kasperchristensen8416 2 жыл бұрын
_The Ottoman and Russian Empire had fought an impressive 10 wars over a periode of 300 years._ Sweden and Denmark: Hold our mjöd/mjød!
@robman2095
@robman2095 Жыл бұрын
I am guessing that means beer? 😂
@Christobanistan
@Christobanistan 2 жыл бұрын
I think this video greatly underestimates the many reasons Turkey and the western powers have long been natural allies, and that is because Russia is absolutely determined to conquer Constantinople, and it could do so easily if it had Ukraine in its pocket. And, despite being mainly Muslim, Turkey has a LOT in common culturally with the western democracies, since it is one.
@winterinvicta
@winterinvicta 2 жыл бұрын
Well their was 2 times Russia was going to get Constantinople. 1. When they decided to beat Turkey so badly Britain and France had to start the Crimean War just so Turkey didn't lose Constantinople. 2. during WW1 it was promised by the allies the Russians would get Constantinople if they continued to help them but obviously that didnt go threw after the Russian Empire decided to explode.
@SonsOfLorgar
@SonsOfLorgar Жыл бұрын
Roflmao! Turkey is no more of a democracy than Saudi arabia is ffs.
@KirbyZhang
@KirbyZhang Жыл бұрын
@@winterinvicta The strait of Bosphorous? not as important as it used to be. Legally it's an international waterway, militarily you don' t need to own the city to choke off the strait. It's just a psychological issue nowadays.
@dbaytug
@dbaytug Жыл бұрын
@@SonsOfLorgar Are you fucking kidding?
@calasalos
@calasalos Жыл бұрын
Turkey a western democracy!? please..
@jhonbus
@jhonbus 2 жыл бұрын
It's an interesting one, and I have to confess when Turkey started making a fuss about this the thought did cross my mind! Sweden and Finland joining benefits the rest of the alliance as much as keeping Turkey as a member, and in terms of long-term political outlook they're both far more closely aligned with the rest of the alliance than Turkey is too. But this isn't some sort of high school cool kids gang and the minute a member gets kicked out for exercising its right to object to a new member, which is enshrined in the articles of the alliance then the whole thing just falls apart. What's the point of having rules if you're going to kick member nations out because the rules make it inconvenient for them to be in? Who's to say if, for example, Poland gets attacked, we won't just kick them out too because we don't fancy a war right now, thanks? And look at it from Turkey's point of view - they've been in it since the very beginning and have been ready to come to the aid of the rest of the alliance if called upon (Well, more or less ready 😂). If Sweden and Finland want to join, well, they've had 70 years to do it and they only want to join now that they're worried about getting attacked. They weren't all that interested in defending the other NATO members when they weren't in much danger themselves.
@realShikha885
@realShikha885 2 жыл бұрын
Turkey is naturally autocratic, even their national hero Ataturk was also a dictator LOL.
@yogibear7840
@yogibear7840 2 жыл бұрын
Yes you are absolutely right about the rules. You can see how this apply to the Swift system that Russia is now kicked out of. All other countries understand very well that they will be next when US feel like it. It was a terrible blunder to do this and will help Russia and China greatly because they will make a new system and ALL the sanctioned countries will be allowed in and the sanction as a weapon is no more... and the same goes for the dollar as a world currency.
@jhonbus
@jhonbus 2 жыл бұрын
@@yogibear7840 I think you're drawing a bit of a false equivalency here. There is nothing in the rules of the Swift system to say that you're allowed to invade a neighbouring country and brutally murder its inhabitants, let alone a rule stating that doing so is part of the mechanism for governing membership of it...
@yogibear7840
@yogibear7840 2 жыл бұрын
@@jhonbus Sorry did you say "Invading Iraq with the evidence of NOT having weapons of mass destruction and NOTHING happening to the US and GB and all the others who was involved in this farce"? Stop finding excuses for the Russia/Ukraine situation and start getting real. Im not saying that attacking other countries are ok but everyone must stop a second and think about why this happened too? If Russia have been speaking about the worries about their own safety for about 15 years and that NATO should not expand. Russia have been trying to get a new security structure for Europe going for a long time but noone is interested? You can only say "This is a red line for us" so many times
@yogibear7840
@yogibear7840 2 жыл бұрын
@@jhonbus i dont see Turkey getting kicked off the swift system for going into Syria do you? So if you make "rules for thee but not for me" then the system will not work.
@annoyedcat9291
@annoyedcat9291 2 жыл бұрын
Simply put, kicking Turkey out of NATO will weaken the alliance's might greatly. Turkey is the 2nd largest contributor and 5th largest army in NATO. It will be a huge win for Russia as they try to rope in Turkey against NATO forces near Turkish border. Russia may also transfer nukes to Turkey as a counterbalance to NATO's expansionism. It's not a stretch to say that Turkey is more valuable that Sweden and Finland combined
@1queijocas
@1queijocas 2 жыл бұрын
@@belgiumbunlover5787 the Scandinavians are too naive - they thought as long as they were nice to everyone, the world would spare them. Tough shit to them, Turkey is more valuable. They should’ve built their military during peacetime rather than after a war broke out
@bradleystanley1184
@bradleystanley1184 2 жыл бұрын
Turkey is a bench warmer for the real nato countries like UK France Germany and the US they just in a strategic place on the map
@yarn7344
@yarn7344 2 жыл бұрын
@@bradleystanley1184 cope
@akhsdenlew1861
@akhsdenlew1861 2 жыл бұрын
The problem with turkey is that its the only country that doesn't share the same values as the rest of the NATO. Idelogically speaking, turkey doesn't belong to nato. While finland and sweeden are perfect fits for it. On the other hand, militarly speaking, turkey is stronger than both finland and Sweeden combined. Also the position of turkey is MUCH more important than finlands and sweeden. It's a tough spot.
@andies9817
@andies9817 2 жыл бұрын
@@akhsdenlew1861 "On the other hand, militarly speaking, turkey is stronger than both finland and Nato combined." lol sure
@allenyeong4771
@allenyeong4771 2 жыл бұрын
Who is trying to instigate NATO to kick out Turkey to admit Sweden and Finland, NATO can add in Sweden and Finland without kicking out any country, period
@abstract33
@abstract33 Жыл бұрын
Turkey was strategic NATO ally in 1960's...... but that was before Erdoğan and the Kurdish issue.
@modernera777
@modernera777 2 жыл бұрын
Imagine NATO kicking out Turkey because Turkey has a terrorist problem from NATOs New prospects. Lol the group that you signed up to protect you kicking you out and recruiting your abuser 😂
@taylordinney1484
@taylordinney1484 2 жыл бұрын
How are Sweden and Finland responsible? Last I checked the Turks conquered and oppressed the Kurds. Old empires reap the grain they sowed with centuries of violence and enslavement. Would anyone here willingly accept your people shattered among many countries?
@modernera777
@modernera777 2 жыл бұрын
@@taylordinney1484 well all three parties confirmed it. You may have to watch a few videos.
@modernera777
@modernera777 2 жыл бұрын
@@taylordinney1484 Well Taylor, I'm black. Most people lock their car doors as I walk pass so to answer your last question, I doubt it.
@zjeee
@zjeee 2 жыл бұрын
They won't be kicked out but they will probably get the cold shoulder treatment from the rest of NATO.
@terrorgaming459
@terrorgaming459 2 жыл бұрын
Turkey should join russia and china nato treats them like slaves
@mehmettuncar
@mehmettuncar 2 жыл бұрын
Hungary is also another nato member who did not sanction Russia , but You said Turkey is only one..
@Sttm35
@Sttm35 2 жыл бұрын
That would be like giving up on the shield and choosing to counter Russians with a bare sword.
@izetsalihbegovic115
@izetsalihbegovic115 Жыл бұрын
Or make Russians their allay. Block access to the black sea to NATO and ban the bases that USA needs for activities in middle east.
@Teymen34
@Teymen34 10 ай бұрын
I want the best for my country and he wants Turkey to leave NATO and enter the Shanghai cooperation organization.
@phineascampbell3103
@phineascampbell3103 2 жыл бұрын
Now its Istanbul, not Constantinople...
@balporsugu7046
@balporsugu7046 2 жыл бұрын
First of all, we were involved in the Syrian war, we fought with our soldiers because an additional 5 million refugees would come to our country from Idlib. We are already looking at a lot of refugees, the addition of new ones would affect us sociologically and economically very, very badly. Assad and Russia were forcibly moving the dissident indigenous people to our border, so many people, changing the established order would affect us badly. We got involved in the war to preserve the status. The fall of Idlib meant 5 million refugees, this would be a problem not only for us but also for Europe, because it is obvious that not all of them will stay here.The same day, Russia struck our military convoy and 34 of our soldiers were martyred. They didn't even give us time to take our wounded and they closed the airspace. Despite Russia closing its airspace, Turkey decided on a military operation and the "spring shield operation" began. We disguised the Bayraktar TB2s with the Koral jammer and destroyed the targets. Our f16s hit targets using guided missiles from our own airspace without crossing the border because Russia had closed its airspace. Data shown as casualties are like 2500 soldiers these are the Iranian revolutionary militia and russian mercenary wagners. In this way, Idlib did not fall and the refugees there did not clog our borders. They continued their lives in their own countries. I would like to tell you about the Libya issue. We signed a maritime continental shelf agreement with the legitimate government in Libya in order to determine our borders in the Mediterranean. But the Russian-backed Haftar administration said that it does not recognize our continental shelf. We got into a difficult situation regarding our continental shelf in the Mediterranean. Greece also became one with Haftar and turned against us in the Mediterranean. Two NATO countries were on the brink of war in 2020. The only way to diplomatically salvage this situation was for the legitimate government to survive. We also provided military support to the government recognized by the United Nations, our soldiers went there and fought, just like Syria, we used Bayraktar tb2s there. Likewise, the airspace of the region was closed by Russia, but we stopped the general Haftar by preventing the tb2s from appearing on the radars. We helped both sides form a government with no war elections, the agreement with us would be valid. Finally, Azerbaijan doesn't need much words for this, Azerbaijan's personal issue is a personal issue for us. Azerbaijan is an Oghuz Turkic nation and we are two countries of the same race, from the same blood for centuries, it is very normal for us to help when they need help. Turkey may be a NATO country, but it has waged proxy wars with Russia for its personal interests. Ukraine, after seeing this, approached us and wanted to buy Bayraktar tb2s. They bought from us the tools They use most effectively in the field at the moment. Not only did they buy, the technology transfer agreement was signed, they wanted to produce together. I can explain it briefly like this, I hope you read it. In short, while our country was implementing a policy of diplomatic balance with Russia, it was fighting proxy wars in the background this is why it is used in so many wars. Now you will say why Russia supported the Haftar, let me explain it too. The emergence of hydrocarbon and natural gas reserves in the Mediterranean is not a good development for a natural gas exporting country like Russia. One way or another, Europe has a dependency on Russia on natural gas and the Russians make money in this way. If the reserves in the Mediterranean went to Europe by a longer route, not our border, it would be more expensive than Russian gas, and the Europeans would not want to use expensive gas or they would continue to use cheap Russian gas. That's why the Russians provoked Greece against us. This deadlock was very important for their natural gas trade. That's why 2 NATO countries came back from the brink of war.
@Paerigos
@Paerigos 2 жыл бұрын
Just a Question - why the hell should Lybia have any say where Cypruses marine borders are??? Should you talk about that with Cyprus? Also no codification with Greece can actually change Cypruses opinion about it....
@peterfireflylund
@peterfireflylund 2 жыл бұрын
You don't have a higher percentage of refugees than we do Muslim immigrants/refugees in Northern Europe. But now that you have seen the trouble they bring, perhaps you should think nice thoughts to the host countries in Northern Europe of many an uninvited Turkish family?
@mickelodiansurname9578
@mickelodiansurname9578 2 жыл бұрын
Why would anyone fight a war to stop refugees... wouldn't that make more refugees? And last I looked those refugees had no intention at all of staying in Turkey. What turkey does is simply allow Syrian refugees to walk or bus across Turkey to the EU where they are welcomed as refugees. Also 5 million refugees isn't even the total number of Syrian refugees across the entire world. Had Turkey played by the rules then the EU would have paid for all those refugees. Instead Turkish officials stuck their hand in the pie and stole the first, second and third Funds set out by the EU... and that's the end of that... no more free money for Turkey. You're problems now... deal with it. All nations are required, by law, to accept refugee status from people fleeing a war. That's the law... you do not get to solve that by invading the country at war and causing more refugees. The actual reason Turkey invaded Syria and is invading it again next month in a 'Special Military Operation' (otherwise known as an all out war) is to grab Syrian ports...and then claim they are part of Turkey... becasue presumably they were part of Turkey at some point in distant history, or some other stupid excuse. Ohh and to keeps folks minds of the complete collapse of the Turkish economy and lack of food. Simple as that. Anyway I think you get the picture... we are pretty much sick of authoritarian fascist leaders like Putin and Erdogan here in the EU... and for sure Turkey can't be removed from NATO but it could be a very long time before anything Turkey wants again is listened to by the US or EU. For sure it'll be 50 years or more before Turkey see's any move to allow Turkey into the EU... there would be massive protests if that was even suggested these days. And I can safely type this here in Ireland... what do you think would happen to me if I tried to post it from inside Turkey? Hell you can't even suggest speaking Kurdish in Turkey! Axaftina bi kurdî li Tirkiyê qedexe ye
@SKY-sk9ts
@SKY-sk9ts 2 жыл бұрын
@@Paerigos because they Was a federal goverment in cyprus but greeks start a genocide over civil turks and we cannot remain silent to a Turk Gencoide So Turkısh Army Saved Civilian People
@Christobanistan
@Christobanistan 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@blakedake19
@blakedake19 2 жыл бұрын
9:48 Turkey is not in need of some military protection though 10:04 number of personnel is one of the worst metric to describe the power of the armed forces. North Korea has millions and still completely suck.
@hexusmexus6971
@hexusmexus6971 2 жыл бұрын
How did I do the maths on North Korea
@LeoDas688
@LeoDas688 2 жыл бұрын
@@hexusmexus6971 Everyone North Korean men and women need to be part of the military, so large part of the population, that is why he might have told that
@teaser6089
@teaser6089 2 жыл бұрын
I mean if Turkey was kicked out of NATO and Russia got their shit together in theory Turkey should stand no chance of winning. However both Turkey and Russia have shown severe lack of training in both tactical and strategic doctrine to their soldiers, as both are using tanks on their own without infantry support to deal with AT treats, which results in tank crews getting unplanned flight lessons and then putting up a surprise pikachu face when their tanks are destroyed. And I agree number of personal doesn't mean shit. Same goes for weapons or any other material. It only matters what you do with said personal and material which really indicates strength. Look at Ukraine, they have less weapons, less personal, but use the terain and superior tactics to their advantage. By using guerilla warfare they successfully counter any large organized army designed to fight another equally large and organized army. Russia's army composition was designed to fight NATO, hence why they have limited infantry per division, as Peer vs Peer combat usually involves less flanking, but Ukraine uses Guerilla tactics, a form of combat that involves a lot of flanking, due to Russias limited infantry they cannot protect the flanks of their armour from all sides, resulting in exposed tanks and exposed tanks are a favorite lunch meal for ATGMs. And even more so, comparing numbers to other NATO nations is even more irrelevant. Many NATO countries have given up the ability to fully defend their own country with all types of equipment in favour of specializing in a few subsets. The Royal Netherlands Military is a good example. We(I am Dutch) specialize in logistics, communication, working together and work really well coordinating with multiple other nations militaries. Our Navy is focused on escort and support, AA and ASW duties or functioning as Air Trafic Control. The Dutch military isn't very impressive when only looking at hard numbers, but when you take skill and ability to work together into account the Dutch military outclasses many that seem much stronger in the hard numbers department.
@ersinhuseyinoglu7872
@ersinhuseyinoglu7872 2 жыл бұрын
"Turkey is not in need of some military protection though" ?? By same logic, neither do Sweend and Finland.
@blakedake19
@blakedake19 2 жыл бұрын
@@ersinhuseyinoglu7872 What are you talking about?
@emirhandemir3872
@emirhandemir3872 4 ай бұрын
Probably could but why to? Turkey is a great ally. It's army and geographical position is important for NATO.
@GauntletKI
@GauntletKI Жыл бұрын
Didn't Turkey invade Greece, both nato members?
@ovuncozkan125
@ovuncozkan125 2 жыл бұрын
When Korea war stalled, Turkey help please. When genocide happened in Bosnia because Dutch couldn't keep Serbs away or in Kosovo War, Turkey help please. When invading Iraq, Turkey please let us use airfields. When escaping Afghanistan while people falling down from planes, Turkey please hold airport away form Taliban. When Russia attacks Ukraine, Turkey please help Ukraine with drones. Turkey did more than any other nation for NATO yet this video claims it doesn't align well.
@aldindurakovic8828
@aldindurakovic8828 2 жыл бұрын
They want the Monetary Collonisation of Turkey . The Turks can not allow that. Turkey must go it' s own way.....
@Insertnamehereplz
@Insertnamehereplz 2 жыл бұрын
Every NATO country does their part
@x3kuuta
@x3kuuta 2 жыл бұрын
@@Insertnamehereplz Pure bs, delusional western.
@rickversglaciers
@rickversglaciers 2 жыл бұрын
@@Insertnamehereplz you mean provoking
@bobblue_west
@bobblue_west 2 жыл бұрын
Turkey please the hell out of Cyprus ... Turkey, no you can't join the EU 'cos we don't want a crazy man from a predominately muslim nation messing with Europe.
@truthless4720
@truthless4720 2 жыл бұрын
A connected question: could they decide to leave on their own? I think that's been a question repeated every few years the last decade or two.
@MartinLeong25
@MartinLeong25 2 жыл бұрын
No they wont They gain stuff from NATO
@mickelodiansurname9578
@mickelodiansurname9578 2 жыл бұрын
ITs a good question too. Another commenter also rephrased the question of whether they can be kicked out. While its true there is no mechanism for a NATO member to be kicked out... there's also nothing preventing it! So I haven't read the NATO charter, but I would say there is some sort of provision for members leaving for a good reason. Sometimes nations cease to exist, or break apart... etc. For example the Czech Republic... EDIT: Article 13... countries can leave NATO once they have been a member for at least 20 years.
@idontexist1681
@idontexist1681 2 жыл бұрын
Yes please I'm waiting for that day. I've had enough of nato's bullshit
@lifetech4146
@lifetech4146 Жыл бұрын
I ended up watching 12mins video to just listen last 40s
@thehoogard
@thehoogard 2 жыл бұрын
Sounds weird to me that the Americans wouldn't leave a route in there (in the charters) for getting rid of a troublesome member.
@ArramzyChaos
@ArramzyChaos 2 жыл бұрын
The yellow bar under the add is a great addition thank you 😊
@ozanaksoy7230
@ozanaksoy7230 2 жыл бұрын
Another point, this is an incredibly Eurocentric view. It is not just Turkey, but USA who is interested in the Middle East affairs. Europe's lack of desire to get involved in the world issues is more of an issue to be discussed on why Europe ended up being a light weight on world politics while being an economic giant.
@kristianfagerstrom7011
@kristianfagerstrom7011 2 жыл бұрын
Light weight?
@ozanaksoy7230
@ozanaksoy7230 2 жыл бұрын
@@kristianfagerstrom7011 compared to its potential, yes
@hmmm3210
@hmmm3210 2 жыл бұрын
Good. Europe has no idea how the world works or don't have the people's intrests in heart and shouldn't be an element in middle Eastern conflicts. Brutal dicatorship of Assad is preferable now once Europe realised that any government of the people would probably place a greater emphasis on Islam than Assad the secularist( being a Secularist makes him free of all the warcrimes he's commited).
@xander1201
@xander1201 Жыл бұрын
Having deadly 2 world wide wars in a century in your continent does that: Isolation
@calasalos
@calasalos Жыл бұрын
Middle East countries are inhabited by religious fanatics, with little or no education compared to the average European citizen.. Their economies are almost exclusively reliant on exports of oil and gas, and they are ideologically against the West and its culture, moved as they are by a sick inferiority complex
@Elmaestrodemusica
@Elmaestrodemusica Жыл бұрын
Hmmm, NATO membership or Russian alliance? Ask any nation (except possibly China) which borders Russia ....
@vickyking3408
@vickyking3408 Жыл бұрын
Spot on
@hiftu
@hiftu 2 жыл бұрын
This is just another example that military power gives you lots of advantage in politics. It does not matter if you are right or wrong. If you have military power you are considered right. (with asterisk)
@bugrayuksel1129
@bugrayuksel1129 2 жыл бұрын
Doubt it, Greece is always supported by other NATO countries against Turkey, but I guess we all know who's the updog in that conflict.
@bubblegum9624
@bubblegum9624 2 жыл бұрын
@@bugrayuksel1129 Greece gets support because the Turks are always the aggressors. They don't even do a good job at excusing their bs. Also, it's not just Greece, Turkey has beef with almost ALL it's neighbors
@andies9817
@andies9817 2 жыл бұрын
lol not, Russia has some power and its not considered right. Finland has military power also-
@bugrayuksel1129
@bugrayuksel1129 2 жыл бұрын
@@bubblegum9624 Sure, blaming everything on one specific country surely will help. Greece also has problems with her neighbors, but you won't see me bringing them up, simply because they are irrelevant. Greece gets support because they are European, so they get to fuck up unlike Turkey. They get to be given billions of dollars only for them to waste it on military stuff when they can barely maintain a steady economy which is again thanks to all the loans they've been given. You keep telling yourself Turks are the monsters though.
@imnottalkingtoanatolianzombies
@imnottalkingtoanatolianzombies Жыл бұрын
@@andies9817 finland and military? and power? zuhahahaha
@skyddad00
@skyddad00 2 жыл бұрын
Why isn´t the Crimean war (1853-1856) on that list? It should be 11 russo-turkish wars
@widodoakrom3938
@widodoakrom3938 2 жыл бұрын
Up
@myshepspud1
@myshepspud1 2 жыл бұрын
I was wondering about that war, thanks. :). Maybe he was meaning direct one on one and though now it makes sense Turkey was involved I always only knew of Russia and England in the Crimean war because of Florence..
@skyddad00
@skyddad00 2 жыл бұрын
@@myshepspud1fair enough, but the Crimean war was a war of russian conquest against the Ottomans. Other european powers gor involved because Russia upset the balance of power
@myshepspud1
@myshepspud1 2 жыл бұрын
@@skyddad00 Thanks for the info!
@jyeshta8357
@jyeshta8357 2 жыл бұрын
actuall number is 17 wars,
@RiversideWarrior
@RiversideWarrior Жыл бұрын
Well there is the matter of the Treaty of Vienna on the subject of treaties and a finding of "material breach" where a member who no longer holds the goals and values of other members on a treaty organization could be be subject to suspension or ejection by the other members. Setting aside the Treaty of Vienna argument there is nothing to prevent 28 of the current NATO members from voluntarily leaving under the current NATO treaty agreement (with Turkey and Hungary being left behind) and joining a new security organization along with Finland and Sweden to form a new 30 member alliance dedicated to mutual defense and security. The new organization could be called the Atlantic Treaty Organization (aka ATO) and assume the current functions of NATO. They would also need to include some new treaty agreement provisions for suspension/ expulsion to prevent future Turkey/Hungary behavior scenarios. Turkey's isolation would be fairly complete and Hungary could hangout with their troublesome Serb neighbors while the rest of the 1st World in Europe and North America moves forward.
@janissaryone1906
@janissaryone1906 Жыл бұрын
Why doesn't NATO change the rule of entry to a 2/3 majority instead? Same with EU or any organization that requires unanimous approval should change to a 2/3 majority because you don't want the tail wagging the dog!
@bremer1701
@bremer1701 2 жыл бұрын
Kick out the biggest standing military in europe over a minor dispute? Not really.
@aldindurakovic8828
@aldindurakovic8828 2 жыл бұрын
Well ... you understand. Who needs Heterosexuel Man in Nato .....
@TomorrowWeLive
@TomorrowWeLive 2 жыл бұрын
1) Turkey is not in Europe 2) not a minor dispute 3) sheer size counts for nothing in war, as Russia is proving
@weplo1597
@weplo1597 4 ай бұрын
@@TomorrowWeLive Russia and Turkey is different though. It's not only quantity of members but also training good as well plus we have a huge drone fleet too. Turkey is inventing new weapons as well
@may_68
@may_68 2 жыл бұрын
You failed to mention the US nukes stationed in Turkey in the 60s. The reason for the Soviets attempting to station nukes in Cuba. Finally being removed as part of de-escalation after the Cuban missile crisis.
@anlasma7942
@anlasma7942 2 жыл бұрын
we still have 50 or so nukes in our american bases
@musicloversonly
@musicloversonly Жыл бұрын
They should kick out turkey from NATO, like literally the NATO beliefs and turkey is quite opposite
@LWT1331
@LWT1331 2 жыл бұрын
I sure hope so.
@stopmessingwithyt
@stopmessingwithyt 2 жыл бұрын
Turkey condemned the actions of Russia and defined this whole debacle as war ever since it started. Turkey is committed to the Ukraine's sovereignty and territorial integrity since 2016. Get your facts in order!
@realtalk6195
@realtalk6195 2 жыл бұрын
Turkey is one of the FEW countries that supplied Ukraine with arms the past decade before the recent war broke out. And it's the ONLY country that actually built up Ukraine's military industry. Signed deals to build TB2 and TAI Anka combat drones factories on Ukraine's own soil, and contracted Ukraine to build engines for the Akinci combat drone. Turkey and Ukraine even discussed building warships together. A big reason Russia invaded when it did and thereby rushed the invasion (while the ground was wet from spring replacing winter) was because Russia wanted to neutralize Ukraine before it could get drone production running. The factories would have been operational this year.
@sk8erbyern
@sk8erbyern 2 жыл бұрын
these people are not really interested in facts tho. Another western shill probably paid by some western government.
@r.d.9399
@r.d.9399 Жыл бұрын
At the same time they shake hands with Putin and the Iranians. The leader of Turkey is a dictator. He's a snake and should be removed from power immediately
@carsmax
@carsmax 2 жыл бұрын
Right now Ukraine need Turkey as a "silent partner" !! They deliver stuff to Ukraine and do not let Russia fly over turkish land and russian ships are not allowed to pass bosphorus strait Turkey is more important than ever.
@h4ze531
@h4ze531 2 жыл бұрын
Turkey saved Odessa with closing the Sea
@ydhamitch7971
@ydhamitch7971 Жыл бұрын
They're far more likely to change the way NATO accepts new members, than kick turkey out. Turkey is so geographically important, they couldn't afford to remove them from the alliance
@housamnajjair2277
@housamnajjair2277 Жыл бұрын
All I heard was a guy bitch about Turkey for twenty minutes for him in the end to say "there is nothing we can do"
@Valerie-fk8ux
@Valerie-fk8ux 2 жыл бұрын
The Turkish military launched an operation against the PKK yesterday. The most effective weapon seized in the operation is the Swedish, made AT 4 anti tank missile. The serial number of this anti tank is known. This is a Swedish made weapon. What do you want from the Turks now?
@nikosnikos8184
@nikosnikos8184 2 жыл бұрын
Turkey has invaded Syria along with Syrian rebels. this area is Kurdish land.the king of syria said that this is a war crime. Also Europe has different laws. Turkey is not europe country
@roach2179
@roach2179 2 жыл бұрын
@@nikosnikos8184 kurdish land? How u know about this lands idiot, also you think we want to be european? F*ck u and f*ck ur imperialist laws
@berkaysulek7058
@berkaysulek7058 2 жыл бұрын
@@nikosnikos8184 Right, Greece not accepting immigrants from Syria is not a war crime.
@alpdkk1869
@alpdkk1869 2 жыл бұрын
@@nikosnikos8184 This is a complete nonsense that America and Russia started the Syrian civil war. I don't know why, but you, the so-called civilized Europeans, see Turkey as racist fascists who are anti-Kurdish. It's funny because we are friends who have lived together for hundreds of years.
@chronemsymphony8175
@chronemsymphony8175 2 жыл бұрын
@@nikosnikos8184 Turkey didnt invade syria . Turkey killed the terorists in syria to protect their border .
@VincitOmniaVeritas7
@VincitOmniaVeritas7 2 жыл бұрын
Short answer: no it can’t. Turkey’s position is even more strategic and it could easily become an adversary to NATO if it is ousted. Meanwhile, Finland and Sweden are NATO members in all but name. There’s already alignment and cooperation with its members, but without the obligation from a mutual defense agreement (Article 5). Kicking Turkey out in favor of Finland and Sweden doesn’t make strategic sense, regardless of how aligned they are with the west. That said, I hope they reach a compromise with Turkey and NATO accepts the two new members to thwart any new Russian expansion attempt. That would probably bring the alliance to its final size: Switzerland and Austria will remain neutral in their cozy location, the reaming Balkan states are too unstable, Ireland will be the last potential member (albeit improbable).
@peterfireflylund
@peterfireflylund 2 жыл бұрын
The Treaty of Sèvres is still valid -- so if we really wanted to, we could dismember Turkey without breaking international law or needing a UN mandate. This won't happen as long as we in Europe still need NATO and as long as the US plays such a large role in our security. It might happen once we get a stronger and more coordinated EU military.
@Kapito13
@Kapito13 2 жыл бұрын
@Utku Güney with your F-16s that you can't even maintain and your 40y old frigates 🤣🤣🤣
@qerwerg2341
@qerwerg2341 2 жыл бұрын
@@peterfireflylund The Treaty of Sevres was never even ratified, dummy, it was replaced by the Treaty of Lausanne
@halifecansahin7074
@halifecansahin7074 2 жыл бұрын
@@Kapito13 yes greek troll
@zjeee
@zjeee 2 жыл бұрын
@Utku Güney Not sure which war you are talking about but Turkey's economy is in a weak state so I certainly hope they won't try to get into a serious war. They are an important NATO member but they are in no shape to have a serious military conflict by themselves right now.
@pagarb
@pagarb 2 жыл бұрын
There have been some big oil and gas reserves found off Cyprus and Turkey is one of the countries planning to develop this resource. If they are a big as indicated, Turkey would no longer need to buy oil and gas from Russia, which would be a big improvement in their international balance of payments and a big boost for their economy.
@mab9614
@mab9614 2 жыл бұрын
Washington will certainly say no to that. The Istanbul Strait is the key to control the Russian Black Sea fleet. In the end, it’s probably the US who will have to give Turkey money to make Turkey agree to Finland and Sweden’s NATO’ applications. TBH, I was quite delighted back in 2020 when Macron angered Erdogan.
@blakedake19
@blakedake19 2 жыл бұрын
What Russian Black Sea fleet?
@farright118
@farright118 2 жыл бұрын
Well we could kick turkey out of NATO and threaten to anex the straight if they allow Russia to annex it
@A.Martin
@A.Martin 2 жыл бұрын
@@blakedake19 the one at the bottom of the sea.
@Cygnus888
@Cygnus888 2 жыл бұрын
@@blakedake19 There are still at least 2 rocket ships left and some other boats.
@kaamilshaikh7814
@kaamilshaikh7814 2 жыл бұрын
It's not that simple i think the Syrian corridor, oil rights in Mediterranean area removal of weapons export ban on turkey could be few things to look into
@aaoaaod1860
@aaoaaod1860 2 жыл бұрын
The now Swedish goverment has ties with the YPK because they wanted a extra vote to be in power. He has also demanded some things for the government to do to keep his vote.
@OTOWN2STOCKTOWN
@OTOWN2STOCKTOWN 2 жыл бұрын
What does your comment even mean?
@victorias6250
@victorias6250 2 жыл бұрын
@@OTOWN2STOCKTOWN I think what he means is that in the Swedish parliament, the current government was reliant on one person to vote for their decisions. That person is a Kurd named Amineh Kakabaveh and is a member in the party “vänsterpartiet”. For Kakabaveh to vote for their decisions they made a deal with her to give support to PYD. If not, the current government (socialdemokraterna) wouldn’t have enough votes in the parliament and therefore had to make compromises with parties like Sweden Democrats which they didn’t want. I personally think this was a bad move from the governments part all because they want to stay in power. Although I agree that EUs and US definition of PYD is different from Turkey’s, I wish they would just have stayed out of it, even though PYDs force (PDF right?) have been one of the most effective forces against ISIS.
@robman2095
@robman2095 Жыл бұрын
@@victorias6250 Yes having foreign political issues totally unrelated to Sweden effectively determining Swedish government policy and actions on matters related to the good government of Sweden represents a corruption of the Swedish democratic process and should be strongly resisted - by legislation if necessary when enough votes can be found to do it. If they just can find a few people of principle in the opposition ranks it might be do-able.
@froodtube
@froodtube 2 жыл бұрын
I would take that trade. Sweden and Finland have strong militaries and recognize the concept of everyone in NATO 'being in it together' If Poland or Lithuania were attacked they would "get it" and immediately be at the ready and on board with NATO decisions. Turkey is in NATO also to deter Russia, but to deter Russia from attacking Turkey only, not so much the other way around. If Russia attacked Lithuania, Turkey would be the first to say "Well that doesn't really affect Turkey, our economy already stinks, and we are far to intermingled economically and politically with Russia to get involved" They play both sides of the fence almost as part of their culture, and if you try to do something for the common good (like admitting Sweden and Finland) they are the first to pipe up for an opportunity to say "What's in it for me?" As stated well in the video, Russia would love to snatch the Bosporous straight. Turkey is in NATO to prevent that but it is kind of a one way street for them. We can't even integrate NATO weapons into Turkey because anything Turkey has access to the Russians somehow immediately have, and a good chunk of Turkey's military is Russian weapons which aren't compatible in many aspects.
@bambinaforever1402
@bambinaforever1402 2 жыл бұрын
Well said, exactly my thoughts. I m from Finland. I curse stoltenberg
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