i agree 100% osb is garbage compared to plywood.

Yep. Complete garbage. You might as well make a house out of compressed dog shi^.

C J Bowen and

@John Fischer I fail to see why that's a tricky question. In my case it's easy: In mostly applications 2×8/2×10 DF joists (std.pad ,post and beam app. 2×12 DF over basements for longer span.)I have on 2 houses in a 30 year career used (per engineering) TJI's and BJI's (imagine a potentially 40' long floor joist,looks like an I beam. made with a 2×3 micro lam top and bottom cord and then a osb/ply/micro lam web member.. When they get wet or long term moisture, you're screwed. Headers almost exclusively DF (An occasional glue lam or steel I-beam for long spans) I have seen micro-lam used for headers and occasionally I've used a para-lam (imagine an osb beam)(when engineered so) headers are usually much easier to keep dry,than sheeting. So,in short Douglas Fir.

OSB is a cellulose-based material so it naturally contains mold spores. The mold spores are dormant so they are supposed to be harmless. However, when OSB get exposed too moisture those dormant mold spores become activated and start feeding off the nutrients in the wood which causes surface rot.

Phill Huddleston lmao

In other words - value added product. 😁👍🇺🇸

Funniest comment I’ve seen in a long time

You fail to mention that you can use .002 thick staple method to hang paper once your get the expansion water treatment. *I forgot to mention, that this may raise the R value.

@Smarter Than You That was my point.

Jordan explained the differences throughout the video.

I'm with Curt. The only comparison I could really recall from the video was that wood chips are stronger when pull stress is against the grain vs with it that but doesn't really answer the question about whether it is better or not. Plywood alternates the grains on each layer to mitigate grain weaknesses as well which also helps it stay dimensionally stable just like osb. This was a good video on the manufacturing process of OSB, but didn't really serve the title.

I agree. Very bad title name. Afrer starting to follow the channel for consistent honest results, this doss not fit. I understand you want paid ads. But this is NOT the way.

as jessie pinkman would say,i came here for some science answer shit and im still none the wiser,title is misleading. osb will swell with moisture badly if not protected,here in ireland anyway.

This video sounds like an OSB commercial. Ho hum. :)

It should be that, but most of his titles are clickbaity and he won't change it.

@@MrBeaux I've noticed that too.

verry good to know how verry good OSB is made or should be made. But, it's not and never plywood. Plywood can be used instead of OSB but OSB not always or almost not, where plywood is needed.

I was thinking same thing. There was not a sliver of info about the pros and cons of this material. Very clickbaity

More like the let's show matt show. No comparison to plywood.

Right? I’m watching a KZfaq video about OSB. I’ve clearly lowered my standards on what I find attention grabbing, more details please.

OSB is good for packing boxes but SFA of anything else.

The newer osb has higher sheer tolerances than plywood.

As far as siding goes, I'd use plywood. But the new osb subfloor is completely waterproof.

@John Doe explain glulam beams and lvl's being stronger than similarly size lumber.

Buy better quality OSB

CREDIBILITY, CREDIBILITY, CREDIBILITY. Once acquired, EASILY LOST, near NEVER REGAINED!!! CREDIBILITY???

Go to a tornado material testing lab. Then tell me OSB is better than plywood.

Yes, it is mis-titled. They don't even talk about a comparison to plywood, but here's a basic comparison: Like plywood, OSB can withstand the elements during construction, and for the same thickness, has the same span rating.

Proper birch ply is fabulous stuff - when you can get it. OSB is 1/2 the price and does the job for all but the finest joinery. For jointing OSB I use Confirmat screws and prime the end grain with glue before adding the jointing bead.

Demonstration of OSB vs Plywood. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rr6hodJo0JqXeIE.html

When he embarked on the spiel about their stack emissions control and how much they spent on it, my first thoughts were "how far out of compliance were they when they got caught, how big was the fine, and how long were they given to install the emissions controls before the plant would be shut down?'

Another whining Millwright, that seems to be the MO of the trade.

@@kevincrosby1760 The plant in High Level did have a scrubber but it was way to small for what it had to do. The factory was always full of smoke and super hot because it's a thermo oil system. The gov't and industries are all in bed together, it's a fact. It don't matter what industry it is. It's all about profits/taxes and jobs. We had a great crew and a great boss but then they changed management. They demoted our superintendent and he was very respected by the crew. Then the new management started to harass us. We all started quitting and within months the place went bankrupt LOL. The entire maintenance crews (Millwrights, Electricians, Power Engineers) all quit within months. Then it was over for them. That's what happens when you hire incompetent management. That was many years ago in 2004 and I don't know if they ever opened up again.

@@kevincrosby1760 They were never out or compliance. Huber was proactive. They have had no NOV's . Huber osb is so different than the commodity stuff.

@@canadianoddy8504 Footner is running, its owned by West Fraser now.

That should NOT happen. The problem was probably due to poor construction practices, i.e. wrong thickness of OSB used for the span, the OSB got wet constantly, or a combination of both.

OSB cannot handle moisture it’s really crappy stuff one time use for Concrete maybe

Richard Adam Darriau - It should not be used for concrete work. What clown uses it for concrete work? For concrete work, you want to use a plywood product called “Plyform.”

@@alan30189 Impressive improvements... Long-term data will tell all. Plyform rocks... I use it often for a smooth finish. Some of is clowns like OSB for it's texture on concrete. OSB in a freezings-thaw climate has some merit because it doesn't have voids like CDX ply. That was the hype in the 80's, but once it gets wet it becomes compromised. I know for a fact. I work with plenty of forensic engineers overseeing destructive testing, and I can show you many photos of OSB used correctly, and incorrectly and too many times we see failures.... mostly installer related or on self financed projects where people are not wise enough to use proper consult. Crates... OSB is great for a crate and Type 5 structures on a tight budget. It's a bad idea under hydronic floor panels as a sub floor, or roof decking especially if it has self adhered roofing materials over it, unless it's well ventilated for thermal equilibrium. Even then, it's taking a chance because self adhered membranes are too thin. In short OSB shouldn't be used unless a third-party waterproofing consultant's specification has it listed as part of their material and method composition. If a building is to last without problems, never use it anywhere it might get wet, without a disclaimer. Under liquid applied membranes always use plywood without voids on the inner layers. In the United States fortunately the statute of limitations is 10 years... it's pretty easy to make something last 10 years. I've done destructive testing on buildings with OSB labels that are only three years old and if one's not careful you'll fall through it if it happen to get wet. Don't get me started on OSB Beams. We use them if they're specified, but only if they're specified by an engineer and architect who are using a qualified waterproofing consultant for the building envelope. I would never use it in my own house because it stinks for a long time. Now if someone starts producing OSB with a waterproof resin, keyword waterproof not water resistant, that would be a big improvement especially if it doesn't stink.

My home is 32 years old. I chose to use OSB over plywood, and have built with it over the years with NO problems . In fact I reshingled my own home 7 years ago, and had NO panels to replace. In my experience anyone not using Advantech on they're subfloors and roof is completely unlearned or plain ignorant.

OSB is junk! Engineers won’t spec it for building envelope restoration. It swells, delaminates, rots much faster than ply, when used as roof sheathing it often develops mould on the underside in the attic. It’s heavy. Fir plywood is a far better product.

Paint it with Glass Fibre Resin it will adhere to the substrate you could even use a Colour pigment added into to the resin ...Job Done...

@@JeoWilson next time, try to get OSB4 ( not 12 or 3) 4 is designed for wet rooms and outdoor conditions

Keep it dry then

There was a roller that turned the chips in one direction.

small saw dust makes the better finish. its smooth as glass when painted. osb chips you cant put tile floor down on. wont work. water gets in the cracks and it swells it all up. big chips make a rough finish. i look at sawdust as a floor cleaner put a bottle of red floor polish, the old floor polish in ten gallons of saw dust and throw it on a dirty floor, and wow! how clean and dust FREE they floor will be after it is all swept up.

Not that I’d ever use OSB in my house; but the point of OSB IS the “random” orientations. By placing the strands in every direction, their goal is strength in every direction. My own biases against OSB is the hierarchy of durability against damage by moisture and insects: solid wood; plywood; OSB; particleboard. The more processing the fibers get, the more you’ll be relying on glues/resins/bonding agents. Solid wood absorbs water, but slowly. OSB absorbs water quickly.

@@DanielinLaTuna More surface area to absorb water. Resin is an amazing material, when combined with a backbone. By its self, it is brittle and has no strength in compression or tension. Give it a backbone like glass/carbon fiber and it is stronger and more durable than steel of the same cross section while being lighter than aluminum. Wood on the other hand is an abysmal choose for pairing with resin in structural components. But it is cheap, so cheap it is made of the garbage left over from real wood.

@@herpnderpn2484 A very good analysis!

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It never ceases to amaze me that ppl assume they know what they are saying but they never Ave read the spec's on a product before opening their bucket mouth full of saw dust...

@@BrianBriCurInTheOC You opened your mouth too Brian...what are you saying?

Yeah, Seems to me, the ones with degrees teaching these days (At universities) are just cant make it in the real world! Many times they made mistakes in their lessons, but oh they can be wrong can they!

@@mikeclarke3005 Those who can do, those that cant teach

1806StoneHouse he definitely did not mention plywood in any comparison ever....not even once or a percentage of. This is a commercial

Clickbait title.

40 years in the construction industry and all i can say about OSB is BS. I could go on for weeks about what a lot of crap that stuff is. Now microlam and paralam are respectable methods of using wood. this ranks with propaganda because it is so cheap.

CREDIBILITY, CREDIBILITY, CREDIBILITY. Once acquired, EASILY LOST, near NEVER REGAINED!!! CREDIBILITY???

Because they know it is superior and this is an OSB commercial.

Here is the UK (the damp island) we have osb3 that will easily outlast plywood in wet conditions. Its widely used in construction

This should have been the title to this video. All those click bait banners are a waste of time.

@@darrinpatterson2764 The only OSB you can get in the U.S. that is 'water resistant' is 'Marine Grade'...which is on-par cost with old-growth plywood...which outlasts OSB-Marine by 5x. If you're paying out of your own pocket for it, the choice is OBVIOUS!

@@skeetersaurus6249 well here in the UK ive seen osb3 as we call it out last marine ply in Maby side by side situations so maybe what you use in your area is substandard compared to our local area. As a builder and joiner I know what I would use hands down in what is a very damp country

I would be curious to see how this AdvanTech stuff holds up. I would hope it has evolved somewhat in the last 30 years.

Why 6 weeks ? We're the builders on strike? 😄 Shouldn't take that long to get dried in ! Or as we say in Australia, to lock-up stage

@@colstace2560 average 4000 square foot home with 4 car garage up here in Northern Arizona (US) takes about 3 weeks unless yoi botch your sub contractor scheduling. But high end osb subfloors are a blessing in Monsoon season.

That seems like a worse case scenario where the people doing the project don't care, and left it like that to spite the owner... The stuff is designed to fit at the bottom of your floor level and have something over it so it never has water on it. If you can avoid getting water on it.. it should last damn near forever. Then again, if you building a place where there might be flooding, you might not want to use it there because of the threat of having it soaked or submerged.. I think you need to treat OSB like you would treat your tools.. with the understanding if you use it wrong, you will break it.

Most of Oregon is currently a “builders market”. They can name their price and schedule right now. A lot of builders will start multiple projects and come back to them at alternating schedules. In addition, one days worth of rain on the Oregon coast can equal one years worth in some parts of the country.

@@stoweman34 So there actually no malice intended? It's just that hard to find people to do the work? If that just the conditions of the work in Oregon, why don't they just not use it then? It seems like it could a total disaster if between the time its installed and the time its protected that you might have to replace the OSB product on the house.

What is it's purpose? What does the manufacturer recommend it be used for? i'm not in construction

Double? 1/2” to 1” In 2 minutes I doubt that story teller

You bought cheap low grade stuff. You gotta buy the good stuff if you want the good stuff. Top of the line osb is superior to plywood in most of the most important aspects

Pretty much. Alot of conveyors

I have...it doesn't hold up in that application, either.

ive seen that. it gets very fluffy after a while XD

Osb is trash

That's cause you bought into the 'plywood is the best' Lie

All the way to the dump

You forgot the most important test to a typical builder: the cost $$$ per sheet test.

@@valkyriefrost5301 LOL...yep

that's not Matt :)

You kind of lost your "engineering" cred when you didn't even pay attention to who is hosting the video- I hope you paid better attention in school.

Zip is OSB, as you know. I've used it as well and achieved good results. It's one tool of many, many available options. I will say I worry long-term about how that particular home will hold up.

I agree with some of what you are saying, but you're casting too wide of a generalization. I wouldn't be a 2x4 from Home Depot unless I was short on firewood, but have seen Weyerhauser OSB and USG sheetrock there

@@BrianKrahmer Mfg make different grades of product for different markets. Just because it has a "name" on it, doesn't mean it's the top quality that mfg produces.

@@wags99999 i've heard the same thing about electronics at walmart, etc, but have never seen any proof of it. feel free to produce some spec sheets that prove what you are saying

One sheet of 19/32 from lowes, one sheet from 84 in the last week. The lowes plywood has their color banding applied to the ends for the cashier to identify more quickly, the G-P UPC tag on both pieces was the same.. There are three choices locally, Lowes, 84 or an independent store. Besides the higher price I stopped going to the local place after multiple attempts by them to off-load their twisted up splintered junk on me. The same CANFOR branded balsa wood bs that lowes and 84 both sell. At least with lowes you can sort through the fire wood pile to find something decent, 84 to a lesser extent and the local guy will absolutely throw a fit if you dare sight down your material before accepting it.

dlwatib wow that’s a very extreme assumption....

The Sky is falling The world is flat!

Probably shouldn't use carpet, laminated flooring, many kitchen and bath cabinets, etc, because they all off gas. If your not dead yet from your house, most likely it's ok.

My mentality is facepalming itself every time i read someones comment mentioning the 'off-gassing' of plastics let alone spray foams. The worst thing spray foam does is just smells bad if it was applied incorrectly, its not going to kill you in your sleep or even if you were awake and just sniffing the minor amount of the said gassing.

Randomness is a quality in and of itself.

Well those are weak (unless some steel matting is in there)

Looks like you found someone who may want to pave roads with osb

No but lighter. High quality particleboard is quite strong and water resistant BUT most particleboard is only a 3 layer process. Good quality particleboard uses a 7 layer process.

AMEN!

Also - make sure it bears no load

​@@maverickstclare3756 False

Incredibly annoying!

its easir to get of tho> you can sweep it off the flooring.

Osborne is shit should be outlawed

Osb

I won't hesitate to use OSB for a subfloor. Right after laying it down, I throw a layer of deck sealer on it. I figure it's all the weatherproofing it will ever need, and doesn't cost that much.

@@fucyu3924 Osborne is awesome moron

Yup. This channel is quickly rotting out.

Walk on some Advantech and you'll change your mind asap.

@@skliros9235 but is it better than same quality plywood at same thickness?

@@AluminumHaste Yes: OSB depends ENTIRELY upon the resin used to glue it together. You can buy Crap, and you can buy good stuff. The resin is superior to the wood, but costs more $$$. You get what you pay for... Shocker huh?

Well then, where do they sell this product and is all the OSB at home depot low quality? Just about all of the OSB I've ever bought at home depot has been lousy but I recently bought some plywood there that also started to delaminate as soon as it got wet.

@@dangrimes5078 Ding ding ding: Give this man an award. Used to be able to buy OSB for outdoor use. I still have some that is sitting outside for last 30 years used as a splash shield for my firewood. Same spot also has plywood of different varieties and most of it has died(delaminated and blown up). Some has not.

Mr Innovator Wayne, I don’t know who this Jordan guy is; but it’s not Matt

Better if it stays dry!!!

Well I'll say that particle bord, widely used in prefab Insulated panels and floors in mobile homes and modular homes are much worse. A small undetected leak/moisture and it crumbles.

What makes Huber’s AdvanTech products different than other Saw dust boards is the genuine science and Adhesives/resins they use in the manufacturing process. This is why they had to come up with their own Adhesives to use in the building process (see Matt Risinger’s video from last year detailing why he does not use Liquid Nails or Locktite PL on AdvanTech products). Old Timers will never change their thoughts and ideas because they refuse to learn science.

@@BrianBriCurInTheOC the reason most believe plywood is better is from personal experience using both.

@@BrianBriCurInTheOC You forgot to mention the fact that those resins and adhesives are TOXIC and harmful to human health. Off gassing is gonna be recognized as a problem only when people start suffering health consequences, just like the cigarette industry.

Reptilian Lord I’ve had more wise men tell me to NEVER ASSUME... SO I will not assume you’ve attended any Leadership, Management or Communication Classes that give the wise lesson about assuming something... Yes PAST product have been TOXIC, BUT a cut of coffee is more valuable than what you said. I trust Matt and Huber! Two things hold back advancement in Construction in The USA. HACKS NOT KNOWING WHAT THEIR DOING & Ole School guys not willing to learn. Matt’s bank account shows he knows what he is doing. Oh and him hiring a new guy too.

Sawmiller Smith Have you used this specific product??? AdvanTech by Huber? Once again you ASSUME you know what you are speaking about but...

Lol

You must be talking about "pressed wood" made from nothing more than glue and sawdust. Not osb.

Plywood has adhesive to bond the layers...

FYI, it was addressed though not explained properly (I manufactured PB and MDF for 12 years, and except for the desired milled fiber geometry, the processes are identical). He spoke some in the middle about the adhesive, and said they’re using MDI instead of less advanced adhesives which might be easier, but not give the same longevity. That’s nonsense. The adhesives used for 50+ years were all UF (urea formaldehyde) resins, and they always made a durable well adhered product (not discussing the pros and cons of specific engineered, or non, products, they each have good and bad about them, and good reason use each for specific applications). The real reason for switching away from UF adhesives has to do with formaldehyde emissions. As California legislates environmentally in the wood products industry, so too eventually goes the whole country, and beginning 7 years ago began the transition. At this point, whether MDF, particleboard, plywood, or OSB, with the use of newer adhesives like MDI, the products do not emit any more formaldehyde than do trees naturally in the forest. MDI is quite hazardous to work with, requiring respirators and special cover when in close proximity, when it is still wet, or most dangerously when it is in aerosol form, but once in contact with moisture (it’s catalyst) and cured with heat, it is inert. Babble, blah, burp, fart (oops!;)

Bill Reynolds that’s great info thanks! And with today’s HRV/ERV systems homes can get a lot healthier. Home Depot sells a formaldehyde free finished plywood and it’s awful. It has all these voids, delaminates, splinters. So it’s good to know the other manufacturers are coming up with alternatives.

MrBrianDuga Home Depot is likely selling a non A grade product, possibly what’s referred to internally within the industry as, “mill run,” which means it has some percentage of defect, or one of the of the downgrade (subpar properties, sold at a discount) categories such as “shop” or “utility.” Resellers who sell direct to the public often seem try to pretend or ignore that grades are known, even to act unaware that they exist at all, and as such, if they don’t tell you, you don’t know what you’re getting, nor if they’re banking or passing along their savings to you.

Oh, and I promise you, the manufacturers always know what they’re selling, what the specs and properties are, and clearly label. When manufacturers sell direct to industrial fabricators, or to retailers, it’s all above board, and with discounts given, or when they’re dissatisfied, and when they’re not, they file claims against the manufacturer. Large industrial customers are often very involved with the manufacturing process, demanding special properties, trials to achieve specific performance, etcetera.

I thought so too.

Your right. The high end OSBs like Advantec for subfloors, is a superior product, that can take being rained on for months without damage. That's why it sells so good. It's much better than plywood, and anyone saying otherwise doesn't know construction in our modern times.

In some places, they build entire apartments out of wood framing and sheathed with OSB

I'm taking a guess by saying you can use a poor grade lumber for making strands where plywood takes a better grade of trees to get decent veneers.

I don't know anything, but it looks like they use much thinner logs for the OSB. It doesn't have to grow as long and if you need to clear out small trees anyway, they can't be used for plywood but you can turn them into OSB.

News flash, no it isn't.

@@iseverynametakenwtf1 It's a lot more sustainable than plywood and it's a lot cheaper. For many applications that makes it 'better'. I've not used plywood for more than a decade - it's been superseded for most building applications by OSB. There are facing applications when ply is needed. Both materials have grades and if it's going to get wet for long then those grades matter.

@@Wookey. I've used "Silent floors" it's an I Beam style using OSB. If you are banging on the wall/floor (as in nailing) they can pop apart. I don't care how cheap it gets, it will never outperform plywood.

I know, it's not

And most of them are still standing today!

If it goes to $85, solid pine is Thicker and cheaper.

sorry for yourself

august probably because OSB isn't nearly as good as plywood,smart man.

@@kyzorsosay9938, Thanks.

RR Buildings recent interior video job series he mentions the cost difference of grade A to that of B plywood, definitely worth the $$ and quality compared to how crappy osb looks and holds up when used as a wall covering.

@@Joshua79C, I sub to him, he builds some quality buildings that's for sure.

EclecticFortune2 - as a remodel contractor, I've seen LOTS of deteriorated plywood or plywood that has delaminated.

@@micahwatson9017 Thanks for the reply Micah. What are your thoughts on plywood vs OSB. I suppose the resin or binding agent determines the longevity. Your thoughts will be appreciated.

135SoHc Obviously you've don't read well and don't do it much. Advantech is NOT PARTICAL BOARD nor is it cheap OSB. YOU BB ARE A TYPICAL GUY THAT LEARNS HOW TO POUND A NAIL... AND THAT'S HIS EXTENT OF EDUCATION IN THIS INDUSTRY.

HEY I CAN TYPE IN CAPITALS ALSO!!!!! Where in this sub-discussion is advantech being mentioned ? Advantech is not cheap, locally it costs the same as real T&G plywood (both being nominal 23/32) so no I wont use it because real plywood is better. Other than shingling I cannot remember the last time I used any nails... Squeaks, creeks and pops are not something I like to come back for, GRK FTW! I suppose your still hanging drywall with nails right ?

135SoHc Try in the first minute of the video! Jordon clearly states in plain ENGLISH this video is at Huber's Plant where they produce AdvanTech and Zip products. Once again, ADVANTECH is made with resins which are much more stable and resistant to water damage. Someone else said AdvanTech is nearly as costly as plywood. Well if you had an open mind and if you could read you might take the time to LEARN it just could be even better than plywood at resisting water damage and equal in strength. And if you had an open mind able to learn you would have viewed Matt's video where he presents Huber's own adhesive that functions much more effectively than Loctite's best because the Huber product is designed with the Resin ingredient in AdvanTech. As far as Zip goes -- Zip is coated and with installation detailed paid to the required items using the Liquid Applied sealer... Maybe it is time for you to join the modern world which knows the Earth is not flat any more...