Could Rommel Have Won the War in the East? WW2 - OOTF 036

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World War Two

World War Two

29 күн бұрын

It’s time for another exciting episode of Out of the Foxholes! Today Indy tackles questions on food rationing in Norway, German political subversion in the United States, and whether Erwin Rommel would have made a difference on the Eastern Front.
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@WorldWarTwo
@WorldWarTwo 28 күн бұрын
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@Cannon530YTOO
@Cannon530YTOO 28 күн бұрын
Wait, but I thought- nvm. See you in Korea.
@erics7992
@erics7992 28 күн бұрын
Are you going to do Vietnam after Korea?
@user-jp5mn3bi2e
@user-jp5mn3bi2e 28 күн бұрын
I completely agree with you on GFM Rommel in Russia. I've often said that the war in the East, was a completely different ball of string. He'd have still been his brillent self and I think his talent would have been wasted there.
@SilverFox-qr1ci
@SilverFox-qr1ci 28 күн бұрын
Logistics? We got logistics coming out of our ears.
@robertjarman3703
@robertjarman3703 27 күн бұрын
We are going to need an update on Justinian's Desk. And where Justinian and Theodora must have had a lot of good times together...
@podemosurss8316
@podemosurss8316 27 күн бұрын
4:32 I'm remembering a Soviet joke from this period: A woman goes to a shop and asks: "Excuse me, won't you have any fish?" The vendor replies: "No, this is the butchery. Here we don't have any meat. The fishmonger is on the next building, there's where they don't have any fish!" The woman answers: "Thank you."
@Harry-mp8vi
@Harry-mp8vi 12 күн бұрын
The joke is on you. Soviet people during that time had to deal with the siege of Leningrad and 100 grams of bread per day. There were very few jokes in Leningrad about food shortages then.
@bdj_tvk
@bdj_tvk 12 күн бұрын
Ah yes, ​because people famously do not make jokes during hard times as a way to cope, especially Russians, who are famous for their joyous attitudes, unshakeable optimistim and their avoidance of dark humor. (This is sarcasm by the way.)
@Harry-mp8vi
@Harry-mp8vi 12 күн бұрын
@@bdj_tvk Your comments are ignorant and offensive. Hundreds of thousands of civilians, including children starved to death during the siege of Leningrad. Stuff your idiotic sarcasm up where it belongs.
@Harry-mp8vi
@Harry-mp8vi 11 күн бұрын
@@bdj_tvk There was nothing funny about starving thousands of civilians. No place for sarcasm, show some humility.
@charlesc.9012
@charlesc.9012 11 күн бұрын
@@Harry-mp8vi What is not so humble is the post-war attitude in russia. The ussr wouldn't have survived without British Merchant marine vessels carrying American food, trucks, tooling and powerplant technology.
@Duke_of_Lorraine
@Duke_of_Lorraine 28 күн бұрын
How to answer the video title in one word : logistics.
@WorldWarTwo
@WorldWarTwo 28 күн бұрын
Seems about right -TimeGhost Ambassador
@davidj4662
@davidj4662 28 күн бұрын
The Wermacht was destroyed by the Red Army. full stop. They had lots of lame excuses after the fact and their fanboys still try to revise history. The United States bought into the mythology and still to this day operates under the assumption of Russian inferiority, leading them to the pathetic flailing of NATO we see today.
@regu6582
@regu6582 28 күн бұрын
Exactly. The Nemesis for the entire war in the East.
@Gszarco94
@Gszarco94 28 күн бұрын
Don't forget that Rommel was completely ignorant regarding logistics, which would have been disastrous if he were sent to the Eastern Front. His lack of expertise in managing supply lines and coordinating large-scale operations might have resulted in the risk of getting his forces encircled and ultimately destroyed. He was a competent, bold and daring tactician, as long as he had more capable and wiser commanders like Rundstedt, Kesselring or Kluge to restraint him when necessary. Not to be too harsh on Rommel's abilities, but he was not an ideal candidate when it came to command anything larger than an army. Therefore, it would be crazy to expect him to successfully command an entire army group on the Eastern Front. Additionally, it is known that Rommel was prone to experiencing moments of depression and emotional impairments, particularly in stressful situations. As Indy mentioned, there were already several aggressive and capable tank commanders, such as Hoth, Guderian, and even Model, during the initial phase of Operation Barbarossa on the Eastern Front.
@marklafleur6695
@marklafleur6695 28 күн бұрын
@@WorldWarTwoseems about wrong - evil timeghost ambassador.
@LightFykki
@LightFykki 28 күн бұрын
Everyone keeps asking what would happen if Rommel was put into X and this situation, but no one asks how it would have happened if Steiner was the leading the whole eastern campaign
@yochaiwyss3843
@yochaiwyss3843 28 күн бұрын
Because surely he'd win it!
@pagodebregaeforro2803
@pagodebregaeforro2803 27 күн бұрын
Steina...
@noelmajers6369
@noelmajers6369 27 күн бұрын
I don't think Steiner would have helped much. He had a nasty habit of not obeying Hitler's orders. Mind you, Hitler was the problem !
@JinKee
@JinKee 27 күн бұрын
@@pagodebregaeforro2803 Steiner could not field enough strength for a massed attack. Steiner's attack is not occurring.
@francispaniagua4228
@francispaniagua4228 26 күн бұрын
​@@JinKeeYears in the academy and You only learned how to use knife and fork!!
@RodolfoGaming
@RodolfoGaming 28 күн бұрын
the answer isn't just a no, it is a f*ck no. the challenge is way too great, it requires not only the germans to perform well, but you need the soviets to do unbelievably bad for unrealistically too long and the logistical challenges to go away for like the first year of the war.
@Sierra026
@Sierra026 28 күн бұрын
Not to mention Hitler being the worst micro-managing boss ever and making direct changes to change the direction of whole army groups, just to achieve some impossible objective instead of taking Moscow.
@Paciat
@Paciat 28 күн бұрын
Yes he could. On allied side.
@youmaboi5279
@youmaboi5279 28 күн бұрын
There is a reason Rommel was in Africa and not the East. Because he wasn't reliable enough to fight anywhere deemed too important.
@logicius
@logicius 28 күн бұрын
@@Paciat That a dog whistle?
@Captainkebbles1392
@Captainkebbles1392 28 күн бұрын
The last 2 parts are something that happened the entire war tho lol
@doctordome665
@doctordome665 28 күн бұрын
I started watching Indy since WW1 and trough WW2. Advance to Korea... Can't believe... 10years...🎉🇫🇮
@indianajones4321
@indianajones4321 28 күн бұрын
Same
@user-jp5mn3bi2e
@user-jp5mn3bi2e 28 күн бұрын
I only discovered him about 18 months ago.
@peterkom
@peterkom 28 күн бұрын
+1 :)
@thisguyaintfunny1881
@thisguyaintfunny1881 28 күн бұрын
hear! hear!
@benworsham1466
@benworsham1466 27 күн бұрын
Been watching since 2014
@sylvananas7923
@sylvananas7923 28 күн бұрын
My grand mother recently passed away, born in 1940 she had memories of the war even in her final years, located in eastern France her family was spared harsh conflicts but still lived through german occupation, she remembers going to school and seeing german panzers and cars on the road, and that even once she was given chocolate from a german soldier. She lived to see the indochina war, the algeria war from wich her recently married husband, my grandpa, returned with ptsd, and many more wars. I remember as a kid, whenever we spoke about problems at a family dinner she'd finish debates with a "Well at least we all are safe and there is no war". Rest in peace grandma, I'll miss you.
@JACK-DETH
@JACK-DETH 28 күн бұрын
Solid.
@Alex_Meadows
@Alex_Meadows 27 күн бұрын
Your grandma sounds very sensible. My condolences on her passing, and I wish you many happy memories.
@ronald-bh5vi
@ronald-bh5vi 27 күн бұрын
B.S. story made up
@history_by_lamplight
@history_by_lamplight 26 күн бұрын
Bless your grandma. ❤
@ronald-bh5vi
@ronald-bh5vi 26 күн бұрын
B.S. story
@stevekaczynski3793
@stevekaczynski3793 28 күн бұрын
Americans of Polish origin visiting Poland were caught up in at least one reprisal massacre by the Germans after they invaded in 1939. It did not make Thomsen's work any easier.
@liamwhelehan2703
@liamwhelehan2703 27 күн бұрын
Reprisal for what?... Letting Germany invade?
@stevenwardle6595
@stevenwardle6595 28 күн бұрын
My mum who was born and raised outside of London told me that during the war sympathetic shop owners would make a very faint mark in a ration book allowing friends/enterprising house wife's to carefully erase it and receive an additional ration amount in another shop - as always it was all about who you knew.
@FrancisFjordCupola
@FrancisFjordCupola 27 күн бұрын
Sounds like a smart move. But what about the people who missed out as a result?
@ed7002
@ed7002 25 күн бұрын
I don't believe that happened for a simple reason you had to register with your local shop, you had a set shop to use your ration book in. You couldn't just go to another 1.
@ed7002
@ed7002 25 күн бұрын
@@FrancisFjordCupolaI think it's a story because you had to register with your shop, you had a set shop to use your book in. You couldn't just go to another 1.
@stevenwardle6595
@stevenwardle6595 22 күн бұрын
@@ed7002 Ah well, I'll give my 93 year old mum a bit of grace for mixing up some of the detail.
@ryanrusch3976
@ryanrusch3976 28 күн бұрын
I mean two things, Rommel can’t create fuel out of nothing and would probably have the same problem as the German army. As for the second thing, Rommel wanted to surrender to the allies to fight the soviets which was something that was not going to happen as the Allies stood heel to heel with the Soviets.
@kevinconrad6156
@kevinconrad6156 28 күн бұрын
He went to far and ran out of gas in North Africa, he was not a logistical magician and not without faults.
@raigarmullerson4838
@raigarmullerson4838 28 күн бұрын
@@kevinconrad6156 he also made several strategic blunders that made the defeat come sooner
@nightowl9519
@nightowl9519 28 күн бұрын
The "Heel to heel" idea is post war fantasy, much of the "unity" during the war was fabricated, because many in the west wanted to bleed both the Soviets and the Germans dry.
@bigwoody4704
@bigwoody4704 27 күн бұрын
Monty couldn't lose now that ULTRA and the USA were bankrolling him - but he tried.The Desert Campiagn belongs at least as much to his predecessors and RN/RAF stopping all axis supplies
@sighsgkj
@sighsgkj 27 күн бұрын
Maybe he should have agree to Valkryie?
@Significantpower
@Significantpower 28 күн бұрын
Also, what position are we giving Rommel in the East? A Corps has less impact there than in Africa. And even if he gets an Army command after Moscow, it still doesnt change the conditions, or his habit of overrunning his supply lines.
@user-jp5mn3bi2e
@user-jp5mn3bi2e 28 күн бұрын
General Patton often overran his supply lines too; but he never failed at what he was ordered or wanted to do. Of the two, Patton would always be number 1. I think some here are too critical of Rommel's abilities. The war in the East was much more different than in Africa or France.
@crownprincesebastianjohano7069
@crownprincesebastianjohano7069 27 күн бұрын
@@user-jp5mn3bi2e It is become fashionable to be critical of Rommel. It is just the usual game of see-saw historians play. But, we must also remember that many historians, even military historians, don't actually have a military background. Often times people should look past their conclusions. I have personally found that many things taken as gospel from popular military historians don't actually pass muster when evaluated under a proper military lens. I am both a US Army officer and an historian and frankly, a lot of historians are clueless. The idea that Rommel didn't understand is first and foremost in that category which is astounding considering historians have had access to his papers since the 1950s. Logistics was *foremost* on his mind. Like Patton he pushed the enemy to the extreme and Rommel's and Patton's biggest victories occurred precisely because they had felt the enemy had broke and ran them to ground. The big picture is this: Rommel's refusal to adhere to his logistics resulted in nearly breaking the British in Egypt twice and had the Italians exerted a little more effort, and if OKH had cared a little more, he may well have taken the Suez. As it is, Rommel turned a delaying action expected to last 8 months and instead kept the Allies tied up in Africa for 2+ years rather than attacking Italy or elsewhere in mainland Europe in 1942 (to say nothing of the dislocation caused to British maritime operations for two years occasioned by contested nature of the Middle Med thanks to Axis occupation of half of North African coast).
@sighsgkj
@sighsgkj 27 күн бұрын
@@user-jp5mn3bi2e With or without Ike holding back Devers and transferring his troops / supplies?
@user-yj8fg3pc9h
@user-yj8fg3pc9h 27 күн бұрын
Объем перевозок по железной дороге является фиксированной величиной. Сама идея блиц-крига не совместима с длительным временем на улучшение железнодорожного снабжения. Возьмите в качестве примера 1942 год. Вермахт быстро наступает на Кавказ, но снабжение войск ухудшается, потому что нужно чинить железные дороги, мосты, вокзалы, растет необходимость в паровозах и вагонах. Таким образом, блиц-криг возможен на небольшое расстояние, а затем наступит дефицит топлива и боеприпасов. Роммель бы не смог взять Сталинград, не смог бы преодолеть нехватку поставок. Даже если предположить, что Германия отправила бы в 1942 году больше войск на Кавказ, то снабжать их было бы все равно нечем. Два талантливых генерала вермахта командовали Курской битвой - Манштейн с юга и Модель с севера. Оба потерпели поражение и отступили - вряд ли они были некомпетентны.
@alfredredl326
@alfredredl326 27 күн бұрын
​@user-jp5mn3bi2e Patton had massive material and air advantage. That's why he didn't fail.
@jonbaxter2254
@jonbaxter2254 28 күн бұрын
During Britain's time in war, we invented our own sweet dessert due to rationing: carrot cake. It is still very popular in the country.
@huntclanhunt9697
@huntclanhunt9697 28 күн бұрын
I'm 99% sure carrot cake existed before WW2, but just became popular during the war.
@matheusamaral623
@matheusamaral623 28 күн бұрын
In Brazil we eat carrot cake a lot but with chocolate sauce on top
@pocketmarcy6990
@pocketmarcy6990 28 күн бұрын
Popular in the USA as well
@bigwoody4704
@bigwoody4704 28 күн бұрын
Literally Washington served it at his parties
@Rom3_29
@Rom3_29 28 күн бұрын
Finland made coffee without coffee concoction hot drink. Some people liked.
@kubazielinski1943
@kubazielinski1943 28 күн бұрын
I've got perhaps the most important question for OOTF - will Indy sit again in THE chair? It is so close, yet it feels to be so distant...
@RodolfoGaming
@RodolfoGaming 28 күн бұрын
As infinitely away as how much knowledge it carries on its back
@WorldWarTwo
@WorldWarTwo 27 күн бұрын
Time will tell... Thanks for watching!
@RodolfoGaming
@RodolfoGaming 27 күн бұрын
@@WorldWarTwo that undefeated miserable bastard
@binford5000
@binford5000 28 күн бұрын
Hell no. He ignored logistics. Ir would have been worse than in the desert. His greatest victory, Tobruk, was made possible by sheer incompetence by his british counterparts. By sheer luck, TIK just released his Gazala video
@littlefaith8740
@littlefaith8740 28 күн бұрын
True. As a Brit that was a painful video to watch at times. Excellent as usual though. I think a lot of the myth of Rommel was Propaganda by our side. Much better to be defeated by a wily and "honourable" opponent than admit how bad our leadership, tactics and equipment was.
@thelizardking3036
@thelizardking3036 27 күн бұрын
“I see the enemy!” “No you don’t.” “I see tanks!” “No, repeat no, you don’t.” Yeah that was painful.
@PeterTheVald
@PeterTheVald 25 күн бұрын
Finally! I thought I was alone. Rommel as their greatest general is a creation of allied media, "The Desert Fox." Like you say, not many real victories. I also noticed his m.o. is to attack, attack, attack. It's a valid strategy, but not all the time, and he decimated his corp to half its size. His Italian troops took the brunt of his retreats. German generals thought he was okay, but two grades higher than his competence.
@hugh2861
@hugh2861 28 күн бұрын
That norwegian story reminded me of something one of my elder relatives told me. Eastern occupied Poland, WW2. He was a young boy just running around when he encountered a german man (possibly an SSman? black jacket and all) with a dog. The man pointed at him, and the dog.. well, did nothing. And so my relative went on his way while the man started beating the dog. Some woman watched this from a distance, and my relative told me she had the most horrified look on her face. He had no idea what even happened for the longest time.
@mwkoala
@mwkoala 28 күн бұрын
Yep this is the difference - in Poland you could get killed by SS in Norway the "horror" was that the guy was trying to help a woman with her groceries. I don't deny that it was a little bit hard for Norwegians but let's face it - when compared to rest of Europe it was much better, compared to East and south Europe it was a heaven. If your problem is "we have to wait few hours for fish and slightly change our national recipe for a dish" you are not at total war.
@bigwoody4704
@bigwoody4704 28 күн бұрын
@@mwkoala really a full 1/3 of this video was on Norwegian WW2 recipes
@stevekaczynski3793
@stevekaczynski3793 28 күн бұрын
Black jacket suggests non-German auxiliaries as the SS went over to field grey, certainly by the outbreak of war, but their black uniforms were offloaded onto auxiliary troops.
@einstein951
@einstein951 27 күн бұрын
​@@bigwoody4704personally I'd like a whole video about recipes made from rations in various countries. Here in NZ, despite not being occupied, it was the beginning (afaik) of the iconic Edmond's recipe book with egg substitutes and the like
@fazole
@fazole 27 күн бұрын
Panzer troops wore all black too.
@nickmacarius3012
@nickmacarius3012 28 күн бұрын
Hi Indy! Thanks for answering my question. I sent this question back in Feb 2022 and had forgotten about it so it was a pleasant surprise to have seen it come up during this episode. I did watch the episode regarding the America First Committee, which came out shortly afterwards - it was a great episode! It's a very fascinating subject how Germany was attempting to use America's democracy against itself.
@einstein951
@einstein951 27 күн бұрын
Something something history repeating
@WorldWarTwo
@WorldWarTwo 27 күн бұрын
Thanks for the great question!
@flargus7919
@flargus7919 28 күн бұрын
Wartime rationing is such an interesting topic, especially how much it varied from country to country. My grandparents were in Switzerland during the war, and there was rationing there due to the difficulty of importing food. My late grandmother often told us the story of how they couldn't get butter during the war and for some years after, and when her parents came home with the first butter in years, she stole it and ate it all (yes, just the butter, like it was chocolate or something). When her parents found out, they gave her a belting. My other grandparents were in Canada, where rationing wasn't as severe or strict, and never had such difficulties.
@stevekaczynski3793
@stevekaczynski3793 28 күн бұрын
Germans received different coloured pieces of paper like coupons for their rations, not just for food but for things like shoes, soap, clothing and so on. The system may have been similar in Norway. The ration system generally was also designed to keep track of peoples' whereabouts as you had to register with a particular office to receive coupons and give your address. The resistance in occupied countries often forged ration coupons and booklets. I have a vague recollection in my childhood of seeing British ration books left over from the war or post-war period, still held on to by relatives.
@user-jp5mn3bi2e
@user-jp5mn3bi2e 28 күн бұрын
Butter with cocoa or chocolate powder tastes good. My grandmother would often give us kids that treat as kids. It was delicious.
@Harry-mp8vi
@Harry-mp8vi 12 күн бұрын
Your grandparents were lucky they had difficulty importing German soldiers. The Swiss could go local to alleviate their 'import shortages'. They had their own farms that were not overrun by an enemy.
@danilopetrovic4735
@danilopetrovic4735 26 күн бұрын
"I'm just curious, did the Soviets have problems with logistics and different railway track gauges when they launched massive counteroffensive against Germany in 1944-45?"
@sam_uelson
@sam_uelson 27 күн бұрын
My grandmother was still cooking out of her 1940 issue ration book until she died in 2016
@davidstrother496
@davidstrother496 28 күн бұрын
Indy, I think you are spot on with your assessment of whether Rommel would have made a difference on the Eastern Front. He would have had the same difficulties as all the other commanders, and the interference from Hitler. Thanks again for the great channel. Cheers from Texas.
@efnissien
@efnissien 27 күн бұрын
My Grandmothers were of the WW2 generation and my maternal Grandmother remained an expert in eking meals from leftovers (when she told you to finish your food, or you'd have it the next meal, and the next, and the next until it was finished - she wasn't making an idle threat.) - she instilled in me a hatred of food waste and a 'Eat now, you don't know when your next meal will be' attitude. It's also worth noting that in the UK rationing lasted until 1953. When I was a kid in the late 70's & early 80's, watching these old dears in the butchers was a sight to behold- the local butchers were all senior fellas and knew there was no point in trying to get one over on the wily old birds like they would with my mothers generation- 'Here you are Ms. Jones.' "What's this Roger?" 'Half a pound of stake Ms Jones, just like you said.' "That's not half a pound of steak, Roger...that's a quarter pound of steak, the other half the bugger's fat!" 'Oh, yes Ms. Jones, *ahem* silly me.' It really illustrated that back in the war when they were allocated something like beef in their ration, they were paying for beef, not fat.
@Harry-mp8vi
@Harry-mp8vi 12 күн бұрын
Soldiers caught in an encirclement were past masters at eking out meals from things like belts, rodents, and anything else they could get their hands on. Especially the trophy food supplies they managed to 'liberate' from the enemy.
@efnissien
@efnissien 12 күн бұрын
@@Harry-mp8vi During archaeological digs in the city of Chester, bones of rats & dogs were discovered in layers associated with the civil war siege of the city that had cut marks associated with butchery.
@FatPandasAndKoalas
@FatPandasAndKoalas 27 күн бұрын
Hey Indy, I’ve been watching your show since the closing days of WWI on the old channel back in 2016. It’s been nice having such a constant in my life, keep up the good work. Everyone at Tim Ghost is amazing and I can’t wait to see what you guys do for Korea. Cheers
@ryanabercrombie7966
@ryanabercrombie7966 26 күн бұрын
I am so grateful that the Korean war will be covered! I've watched these week by week episodes for 10 years now and no week would be the same without them.
@americanpatriot2422
@americanpatriot2422 28 күн бұрын
Outstanding video and presentation.
@WorldWarTwo
@WorldWarTwo 27 күн бұрын
Much appreciated, thanks for watching!
@fratguide9835
@fratguide9835 28 күн бұрын
15:30 This is what I picture the Sabaton Cruise is like, but it’s Indy instead of Roosevelt standing proudly
@adamkuhn8496
@adamkuhn8496 27 күн бұрын
Would love for you to collaborate with Tasting History. For folks that don't know the channel he has done recipes from depression and ration time cook books as well as historical military foods, and things like meals on Titanic and Hindenburg. I think it would be very interesting to see these two channels do an episode together. Keep up the great work, have been with you since the Great War and plan to continue as you move forward.
@shawnr771
@shawnr771 25 күн бұрын
Thank you for the commentary.
@viktorakse3326
@viktorakse3326 21 күн бұрын
As a Norwegian, I can say that that last image you painted of Rommel feeding on gravlaks and reindeer with a bunch of Norwegian housewives was disturbing. I mean, gravlaks is literally rotten fish that was buried under ground
@Goldenspiderducck
@Goldenspiderducck 27 күн бұрын
13:00 Had Rommel, then, ever said to Heinz, “Guderian, you magnificent bastard, I read your book”? I’ll show myself out.
@Harry-mp8vi
@Harry-mp8vi 12 күн бұрын
Then the Soviet Tula militia said to Heinz, "General, you are not welcome." The general took it personally and resigned in 1941. Hitler accepted his resignation.
@alexanderstoyanov7464
@alexanderstoyanov7464 28 күн бұрын
Thank you for giving some information about every day life during ww2. This is an aspect we all tend to ignore as it's not as 'exciting' as actual fighting, military strategies and politics connected to them
@nascimento781
@nascimento781 27 күн бұрын
Clicked on the video for the question on Rommel, but it turns out the other questions were just as interesting as this one if not more. Great channel.
@naveenraj2008eee
@naveenraj2008eee 23 күн бұрын
Hi Indy Interesting questions and smart answers. Awesome to Learn.
@wolfeinhorn4661
@wolfeinhorn4661 27 күн бұрын
Appreciate all y’all’s great work on all your programs ! Unfortunately for me the only financial assistance I can do , I do do . Watch all commercials all the way through . Thanks to you all !
@WorldWarTwo
@WorldWarTwo 27 күн бұрын
Always take care of yourself first, thank you!
@El_Presidente_5337
@El_Presidente_5337 28 күн бұрын
Time Ghost is my favourite history drug.
@websterdds
@websterdds 28 күн бұрын
Time flies when you are having fun!
@RubberToeYT
@RubberToeYT 28 күн бұрын
Really interesting ootf as always
@WorldWarTwo
@WorldWarTwo 27 күн бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@whatnot3474
@whatnot3474 28 күн бұрын
Rommel's biggest weakness was logistics, he constantly outran his supply lines in North Africa, I can't imagine he would have done any better in Russia.
@obsidianjane4413
@obsidianjane4413 28 күн бұрын
Both campaigns were faced with the same problem. Making the most out of a limited window of opportunity to take advantage of the enemy's comparative weakness before their own caught up to them. That they failed is only apparently obvious in hindsight. At the time it seemed like a pretty good idea.
@Captainkebbles1392
@Captainkebbles1392 28 күн бұрын
I meaan..was somewhat standered german policy lol
@spikespa5208
@spikespa5208 27 күн бұрын
Rommel would have had the same albatross around his neck as any other Eastern Front commander had: good ol' Adolph himself. So, the answer is no.
@RaggaBaby
@RaggaBaby 27 күн бұрын
Yes! Indie is back hosting the show! Perfect I've always loved his way of presenting and story telling!!
@CARL_093
@CARL_093 27 күн бұрын
it reminds me of ww1 segment and thanks indy and crew
@indianajones4321
@indianajones4321 28 күн бұрын
Always great to see OOTFH
@user-jp5mn3bi2e
@user-jp5mn3bi2e 28 күн бұрын
Great avatar of Sean Finn (Sir Roger) in: The Wild Geese. A favourite of mine.
@indianajones4321
@indianajones4321 28 күн бұрын
@@user-jp5mn3bi2e thanks, it’s such a great movie
@WorldWarTwo
@WorldWarTwo 27 күн бұрын
Thanks for watching.
@jakobcarlsen6968
@jakobcarlsen6968 28 күн бұрын
Hi Indy and team. Love your show. Glad to finally hear something about Norway. It has been kind of silent.
@cpking7
@cpking7 28 күн бұрын
Impressive analysis of the Rommel question - but not surprising because, in a sense, like Guderian, you guys "wrote the book!" Thanks.
@oneshotme
@oneshotme 28 күн бұрын
I very much enjoyed your video and I gave it a Thumbs Up
@WorldWarTwo
@WorldWarTwo 27 күн бұрын
Much appreciated!
@MegaShens
@MegaShens 28 күн бұрын
If you are interested in the story from Norway, the danish show Matador gives quite a good view of everyday life during the German occupation of Denmark.
@teddycourtright3466
@teddycourtright3466 28 күн бұрын
Yessss I can’t wait for next month and more and more I love u guys so much
@WorldWarTwo
@WorldWarTwo 27 күн бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@Casyfill
@Casyfill 28 күн бұрын
Reminded me of my childhood. In 1980th Russia. But how lucky I felt later on to be able to use all food tickets (meaningless by that point) as good-looking toy currency
@rodgerthurston986
@rodgerthurston986 28 күн бұрын
I look forward to it guys be safe
@rainkloud
@rainkloud 27 күн бұрын
Well played Indy!
@nigelhamilton815
@nigelhamilton815 28 күн бұрын
My lord, a very special generation across the world. Thank you.
@Bob.W.
@Bob.W. 28 күн бұрын
Guderian thought that Rommel couldn't competently command anything more than a corp.
@Guillaume_sono
@Guillaume_sono 28 күн бұрын
He was right
@Ruhrpottpatriot
@Ruhrpottpatriot 28 күн бұрын
Take everything Guderian said with a huge pile of salt. That man plagiarized much of his "Book".
@atari947
@atari947 28 күн бұрын
Guderian would be more of an authority than most on that. But remember the egos at play in a statement like this.
@bigwoody4704
@bigwoody4704 28 күн бұрын
Guderian got jiggy with the facts after the war of course denying his good standing with adolf.And making sure his version got told of conquest and manuever. Rommel never had advantages in the desert that Heinz had in the early campaigns
@Bob.W.
@Bob.W. 28 күн бұрын
Every commander covers his rear in his memoirs. If Rommel had survived to write his we would have to hold our noses to read it.
@nicholasschroeder3678
@nicholasschroeder3678 28 күн бұрын
Just. .no. No general can overcome an incompetent CinC.
@dogcarman
@dogcarman 28 күн бұрын
Or insufficient logistics.
@WorldWarTwo
@WorldWarTwo 28 күн бұрын
CinC? -TimeGhost Ambassador
@angeledduirbonesu1989
@angeledduirbonesu1989 28 күн бұрын
​@@WorldWarTwoi believe it stands for Comander in Chief 😂😂😂
@matthewwalkemar8726
@matthewwalkemar8726 28 күн бұрын
@@WorldWarTwoI’m assuming he’s referring to commander in chief as cinc I.e. hitler
@Pelaaja20
@Pelaaja20 28 күн бұрын
@@WorldWarTwo Commander-in-Chief i think
@chrisduffill5248
@chrisduffill5248 27 күн бұрын
Cool content indie , love all of this being an ex serviceman in the 70’s to the early eighties ….
@Khanclansith
@Khanclansith 28 күн бұрын
I am with Indy on the Romwel question... the logistics hamstrung even the best German tactical commanders and Berlin tied the strategic commander's hands
@oldgoat142
@oldgoat142 27 күн бұрын
It also didn't help matters with Rommel that the British Navy reigned supreme in the Med after defeating the Italian Navy. The Italian Navy never sortied in any meaningful way after several bad defeats.
@alexhussinger3550
@alexhussinger3550 27 күн бұрын
Rommel was a good tactician and a bad strategist, and Germany had plenty of people fitting that mold already in the East.
@Ben-zr4ho
@Ben-zr4ho 21 күн бұрын
The Norwegian story reminds me of a saying I first read in Chesty Pullers sons autobiography. He served as a Marine officer in Vietnam and stepped on a booby trapped howitzer shell. Lost both his legs and about half of each hand. As hes shipping out to Vietnam he had a temporary billet in Miami. As he was leaving one morning he noticed the door to the room next to him, a permanent billet of a Coast Guard officer, had a sign taped to it. It was addressed to his assistant and read... "Wake me up at 10:30 for my surfing lesson." Puller reflects that, "Both the pig and the chicken must sacrifice for the sake of breakfast... But that doesn't mean their sacrifice is the same." So it goes with war and even with soldiers. A rear echelon supply officer sacrifices, but not like a front line infantryman. The "horror" of a SS man stooping to help with your groceries and having to make your national dish with fish instead of lamb doesnt count as horror at all when you reflect on what much of the world was going through at that exact moment. Yet for some old woman somewhere its the defining difficulty of her entire life. Also... 2,000-2,800 calories a day? I'm 6'2 and work out over a hour every day and I can't eat more than 1,800 calories a day and not get fat...
@Professor_sckinnctn
@Professor_sckinnctn 28 күн бұрын
Oh, that was the best ending. Thanks Indy!
@ZigZagKid_AZ
@ZigZagKid_AZ 27 күн бұрын
I love your videos
@rashkavar
@rashkavar 28 күн бұрын
The first response on rationing is so interesting - goes to show you just how much surplus we need to have every grocery store have whatever we want most of the time. 2000-2800 calories is pretty much an entirely average, if not slightly above average diet, and yet because that's running at capacity, it takes a massively complex rationing system to ensure the food gets distributed. Our food systems can do way better in avoiding waste, to be sure, but some variant of this kind of system would probably be what it would take to get it down to 0-waste without people falling through the cracks. (Err, many more people falling through the cracks, that is.) I wonder how many folks who look at the amount of wasted food realize that.
@rickden8362
@rickden8362 27 күн бұрын
A little know fact about rationing in Britain during the war: Overall nutrition improved due to rationing. A rather damning statement about the British economic/class system prewar
@stevekaczynski3793
@stevekaczynski3793 27 күн бұрын
Public health improved. Fewer sweets for example improved the condition of teeth. George Orwell thought that the availability of cheap fried fish and chips (French fries in American parlance) might have averted revolution during the Depression, as just about anyone could afford them, even the unemployed. On the other hand fried fish in batter is not so healthy. I don't know if fish were rationed in Britain during the war - trawlers continued fishing in the waters off the UK, but it was dangerous. I heard a Scottish relative who worked on a trawler died during WW2 when his trawler was sunk - it may have struck a mine.
@rickden8362
@rickden8362 27 күн бұрын
@@stevekaczynski3793 The ''cheap fried fish and chips'' example is still prewar and I'm not sure want dental health has to do with general nutrition. But my point was that rationing during the war put the British as a whole on a path of healthier, sustained caloric intake.
@m1t2a1
@m1t2a1 28 күн бұрын
Norway. 1:00 I hope everyone has read Snow Treasure. It has been in print since 42.
@spookerredmenace3950
@spookerredmenace3950 23 күн бұрын
love the chair of Infinite knowledge and Indi's ties :P lol
@windsorlandscaping3342
@windsorlandscaping3342 23 күн бұрын
Rommel was a great commander but like model, was better suited for a divisional command because they liked to travel between command posts at the front which was more tactically minded rather than strategic
@alexanderlangland1855
@alexanderlangland1855 28 күн бұрын
There was a time where Indy said he does NOT do what ifs… history does NOT occur in a vacuum… I loved that
@procyonant6805
@procyonant6805 28 күн бұрын
As for Rommel, here he would not have changed one of the main problems faced by German tanks in the USSR is the thin width of tank tracks. Even the most brilliant generals cannot change the laws of physics. The density of roads and their quality are deteriorating. If they are still acceptable in the area of Lviv, Kyiv and Minsk, then in the area of the Volkhov River, Voronezh or the steppes in the vicinity of Stalingrad they become rare. Hence the maneuver problems.
@bigwoody4704
@bigwoody4704 28 күн бұрын
also the russian landscape was mostly wide open, and some what flat. Where as in europe there was more terrain,hills,etc with more woods,for better concealment and off setting superior numbers
@user-jp5mn3bi2e
@user-jp5mn3bi2e 28 күн бұрын
I have several original snapshots of the areas you mentioned, especially Kiev. Some show 10's of thousands of Russians as prisoners.
@diegotrejos5780
@diegotrejos5780 27 күн бұрын
​@@user-jp5mn3bi2eThey could have gotten twice as many prisoners and it would have won them nothing once the fuel tanks ran dry.
@stygn
@stygn 27 күн бұрын
Good coverage of the food situation in Norway! The short story would be "far from great, but not terrible". A small titbit of information is that prior to the war the Germans built up a huge whaling fleet to get their hands on their lovely, lovely blubber. Large scale whaling by Germany was understandably difficult after the war began, but whale blubber was still a highly sought after food item for the Wehrmacht. So, when the Norwegian (and I suppose some German) whalers hunted whales where they still could and brought them to Norwegian shores, the Germans would take the blubber, but the meat would most often stay in Norway. Whale meat is delicious when its fresh, but develops a taste similar to cod liver oil when preserved (even when frozen as far as I know). My grandmother on my fathers side couldn't stand the smell of cod liver oil after having had her fill of whale meat during the war. I've had some "bad" whale meat myself, and I wouldn't like the thought of eating it day in and day out either. Still, a hell of a lot better to have "bad" meat than no meat. (there was nothing wrong with the meat other than its taste)
@tylerservies3380
@tylerservies3380 28 күн бұрын
The chair of infinite knowledge returns!
@seanlogue7771
@seanlogue7771 23 күн бұрын
Agree 💯 about Rommel being hampered by logistics. The interesting question to me would've been what if Rommel had Paulus' command at Stalingrad?
@tomdegisi
@tomdegisi 28 күн бұрын
Is this a question you won't answer? It is! That was a lovely and informative episode, thanks.
@WorldWarTwo
@WorldWarTwo 27 күн бұрын
Thanks for the comment and thanks for watching!
@doctorscoot
@doctorscoot 27 күн бұрын
you say "there is always room for disagreement", but I say, "no!". your original analysis and conclusion was perfectly correct. in fact i would say that Rommel's reputation remains precisely _because_ he never had to deal with the conditions on the eastern front
@DominicBHaven-qm6nx
@DominicBHaven-qm6nx 27 күн бұрын
Always great to hear Sparty cracking up off camera. Indy, you still got it. Nice tie, BTW. Regarding Rommel, I agree. There was no shortage of good generals on the Eastern front. The supply problems, the mud and snow, and the major numerical superiority of Stalin's army would have been a challenge for any general. Add to this the partisan efforts behind the lines and the terror tactics used by the SS, not much difference with another general.
@Harry-mp8vi
@Harry-mp8vi 12 күн бұрын
Soviets had no numerical superiority over the Axis in 1941 - 1942. By late 1941 the Axis occupied the area with some 70 million inhabitants denying the Soviets the recruitment pool. Meanwhile, Hungary, Italy, Finland, Romania, and Slovakia added hundreds of thousands to the Axis armies. Not to mention the European volunteers.
@morganlemke
@morganlemke 27 күн бұрын
I know you said not to ask questions here, but I do have one very important question I hope gets answered anyway. WHY does Indy not just move his chair of infinite knowledge onto the set and sit in it for these episodes? Is the chair really that heavy that you can't move it a few feet to the desk he's currently at? Here he is longing for it while it sits just behind him. Is it really necessary to deprive a man of his access to infinite knowledge, he's answering such important questions? Hoping for an answer soon (that I likely will not get). Thank you TG team for all your hard work!
@NickRatnieks
@NickRatnieks 27 күн бұрын
TIK History has just done a lengthy analysis of the Battle of Gazala. He makes the point that this epic battle- which is the one upon which Rommel's reputation is built just shows his status as a fairly average German general. The fact that he won in the end merely highlights the abysmal generalship shown by Rommel's British opponents- something Rommel commented upon in his own memoir of the battle. Indeed, it was a truly spectacular failure by the British and Commonwealth generals that allowed Rommel to scrape home to victory. Certainly, this long analysis is well worth watching and the point is made, that after this, the methodical approach by Montgomery, was the logical outcome as at Gazala a completely un-coordinated and almost reckless and ad hoc approach meant that the lack of focus by the British time and again let Rommel off the hook. In future battles would be planned carefully and methodically and maybe this led to a lack of spontaneity but would prevent a repeat of the Gazala disaster.
@mods1133
@mods1133 27 күн бұрын
Hearing Astrid cracking up off camera was priceless
@quinnnewman9538
@quinnnewman9538 28 күн бұрын
I would love to have those documents about the influence campaign
@stonedtowel
@stonedtowel 27 күн бұрын
I am so fucking excited for Korea. Further more, I’m really excited to see what’s after that, and that, and that. The future projects you guys cover if they even scrap the respect you’ve summoned for both world wars, I know they’ll blow us away. Thanks for all the hard work everyone on this channel does, it’s truly a gift I’ll never forget.
@lorenzogiuliani9144
@lorenzogiuliani9144 28 күн бұрын
No, il generale Rommel non avrebbe vinto la guerra a East.
@StevenSmith-dc1fq
@StevenSmith-dc1fq 27 күн бұрын
Fascinating as always. But speaking of Norway, is that supposed to be Svalberg on the map above Indy's head? It's shown in red, but I thought the Brits held on to it. At one point the Tirpitz did go over to bombard the place...
@vitorsoriano5440
@vitorsoriano5440 28 күн бұрын
Logistics is the key to victory
@yoinkhaha
@yoinkhaha 26 күн бұрын
Almond cake sans almonds sounds pretty ingenious actually
@gabrielgodinho3905
@gabrielgodinho3905 22 күн бұрын
I agree with you 100%. Your own video about the planning of Barbarossa and the Paulus's War Games show that the invasion of the USSR was flawed from conception and a single different field commander wouldn't have made a difference in the outcome. I think it's more likely that in this scenario Rommel might've joined the German Resistance sooner and the British would hold Cyrenaica and maybe move into Tripoli by late 1941.
@Condottiere1978
@Condottiere1978 28 күн бұрын
15.40 and next to Rommel as a Fellow Swabian, Johann Gambelputty ....of Ulm
@timmick6911
@timmick6911 28 күн бұрын
Full name Johann Gambolputty de von Ausfern- schplenden- schlitter- crasscrenbon- fried- digger- dingle- dangle- dongle- dungle- burstein- von- knacker- thrasher- apple- banger- horowitz- ticolensic- grander- knotty- spelltinkle- grandlich- grumblemeyer- spelterwasser- kurstlich- himbleeisen- bahnwagen- gutenabend- bitte- ein- nürnburger- bratwustle- gerspurten- mitz- weimache- luber- hundsfut- gumberaber- shönedanker- kalbsfleisch- mittler- aucher von Hautkopft of Ulm
@tremendousbaguette9680
@tremendousbaguette9680 28 күн бұрын
Every time I see a reference to Alan Shirer's book, I upvote.
@TimSeibel
@TimSeibel 28 күн бұрын
Nice, balanced account of the America First movement. Thank you
@lordgarion514
@lordgarion514 27 күн бұрын
As a chef, I have to say that the not almond cake recipe sounds pretty decent. Might hunt the recipe down and make it.
@Game_Hero
@Game_Hero 28 күн бұрын
I'm worried : how many of these are still coming? Will there always be a chance in the future to get questions like this asked?
@davidhelmer9124
@davidhelmer9124 28 күн бұрын
“Finest tank commander of the war…” glares in Patton*
@LeeRenthlei
@LeeRenthlei 28 күн бұрын
I don't think one man could have made much of a difference but I would've loved to see how Rommel performed in the eastern front.
@matthewgraham6980
@matthewgraham6980 27 күн бұрын
Ok, I'll say it…@9:28, ooo how history rhymes.
@orenashkenazi9813
@orenashkenazi9813 28 күн бұрын
Unless one of Rommel's talents was being a walking fuel geyser, I can't see how he'd have made much difference. Even if we assume he was a better general than those already in the east (highly debatable), Germany didn't lose that war because of tactical failures, but strategic and logistical ones.
@einstein951
@einstein951 27 күн бұрын
Much like how Jesus could turn water into wine, Rommel could turn water into fuel /sarcasm
@orenashkenazi9813
@orenashkenazi9813 27 күн бұрын
@@einstein951 lol, that really his how some weraboos talk about him.
@williamerickson1238
@williamerickson1238 28 күн бұрын
Sir, I agree with you regarding Rommel in the east. Hilters' meddling was bad enough for any commander. I think that Rommel being well known for loyalty to his country, (perhaps not so much Hitler), would have down his best to follow orders from Berlin. He may have had some success, but in the end all those factors that doomed other German commanders would likewise have doomed him.
@ternel
@ternel 28 күн бұрын
I'm just queuing up in the rations line I guess.
@tjdent7166
@tjdent7166 26 күн бұрын
I have studied World War II on the European campaign for years. It is my humble opinion that Rommel was one of the best if not the best German general field marshal. I believe he could’ve done most anything had he been given supplies as requested. Also, there were a few times he was very ill and being treated back in the father land when some battles took place and he was not there.
@Jarod-vg9wq
@Jarod-vg9wq 27 күн бұрын
Salutations Indi I got a question! Indy you made excellent video specials on the Commandos and the S.A.S. However I wanna knwo if you plan to make a special o nether us army rangers and the First Special Service Force?
@mrlodwick
@mrlodwick 28 күн бұрын
Yes!
@user-vg6ux1xp3h
@user-vg6ux1xp3h 27 күн бұрын
Rommel in North Africa had the benefit of a small front of area and areas of manoeuvre which had little to no rain. Indy you are right- the Eastern front had Guderian and Hoth but it also had Von Kleist, Hube, Balck and others who were competent panzer officers. Primitive infrastructure, freezing temperatures, the vastness of space and poor logistics hampered the German army.
@Harry-mp8vi
@Harry-mp8vi 12 күн бұрын
The ability of the Soviet Union to mobilize quickly and preserve its industrial capacity was the main reason that lead to German defeat. The total war started on the day of the invasion. Primitive infrastructure and freezing temperatures affected both sides. Plus the top Soviet command learned how the Wehrmacht worked and, most importantly, what its weaknesses were. The defeat at Stalingrad was not an accident.
@robertmurphy9320
@robertmurphy9320 28 күн бұрын
will you do an episode on th ereturn of the dead from wwii?
@johnyarbrough502
@johnyarbrough502 27 күн бұрын
Some of Hans Thomsen's activities influencing US politicians and opinion are referenced in Lynne Olson's Those Angry Days and in Susan Dunn's 1940
@tottifan6979
@tottifan6979 28 күн бұрын
Have you read Domenico Losurdo or Ludo Martens?
@hannahskipper2764
@hannahskipper2764 28 күн бұрын
I think having The Chair behind him had gotten to Indy's head by the close of this one. Imagine, Rommel, a couple Norwegian housewives, and Roosevelt standing proudly, on a boat near a fjord. Oh yeah... 😛🙃
@gfdx3214
@gfdx3214 27 күн бұрын
what song is playing at 14:00?
@burimfazliu3102
@burimfazliu3102 27 күн бұрын
A question I’ve wanted an answer to for years. I still think that while Rommel would’ve had supply difficulties in the east, it would’ve been better because unlike North Africa they would not be sunk on ships.
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