And you are absolutely correct. The relic business, much like the more modern antiquities business, was very profitable. I doubt people needed much convincing then, and while some may be more skeptical now, the excitement of potentially owning something that old, especially if it has historical significance, can still cloud the mind.

​@@saraross8396 I don't know about the classical period, during the medieval period attracting pilgrims was quite profitable for some churches and abbeys. There's numerous examples of that. Even by the 4th century it's possible unscrupulous people living in Palestine would have tried to pass off certain items as authentic objects from the 4 gospels.

They definitely re used crosses,Wood was very scarce in Judea back then.

Plenty of cedar trees in the area. Before the Ottoman Tree Tax

@@Mirokuofnite Not in ancient days.2000 years ago there were very few trees in what was judea.Theyve planted millions of trees lately but in Jesus time.The Romans had to import seige equiptment and crosses were re used.

The ancient cedar forest of Lebanon goes as far back to the story of Gilgamesh. The Cedar Tree is on the Lebanese Flag. Sadly what most ppl don't know is that the British cut down nearly all the forest in WW1 for railway sleepers.

@@scottyfox6376 Tragic

I believe it was a history channel documentary I seen the same one

Check out "Holy Prepuce". That's the Catholic church claiming to have the foreskin of Jesus from his circumcision. 😂😂😂😂😂😂

A carbon date could help identify a fake. Which I think is why so many aren't tested. It is more fun to allow the hope to exist than to try and prove anything.

@tray22 , Even if it's fake, there are people who will refuse to accept the evidence. First thing religion has to do with it's followers is kill their critical thinking skills.

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Basically, once you've staked your reputation on something I guess he can't accept its not true..... There is one case where it was shown inaccurate, it dated an item to about 700AD when we know it's from at least 570AD, but still that margin of error isn't too bad and was put down to lamp oil.

I agree. Wood was hard to get hold of in this locality at the time and it was not as if a crucifixion was an extraordinary event. They happened regularly. Very regularly.

They did

I also think they also reused the nails after straightening them. Crucifiction happened all the times, several times per year in Israel, maybe per month.

@@rolandrabier5984 Romans said to crucify a lot of people, but there is only 2 known cases of nails stuck to skeletons. So they have to had used serious recycling and not just toss stuff around. Funnily it's claimed this Helena, mother of Constantine is said to wander to Jerusalem around 326-28AD and just find 3 crosses lying at the Calvary. Seems plausible in city like Jerusalem that Romans just left 3 crosses to Calvary where they were 300 years just waiting Helena to arrive.

@@TJS3 Yeah, I thought that was rather silly also.

Lol

Ahahahaaaa

I've been scammed so many times with various purchases... It's getting worse even Amazon isn't what it used to be.

But be sure to wash your hands 🙌 😂

...especially if it comes out of secular science...

No because He was crucified on an execution stake Cross never executed. Roman's didn't have room of 36' between stakes IGNORANCE

You mean the way the rest of the so called saints murdered their way across the known world forcing Christianity on all.

By roman standards that probably wasn't torture.....

And enough nails from the cross as well.

the true cross house.

so they say,same about nails or bones or what have you not. But who says the one or other piece of - evidence - might not be the real thing?

@@benediktmorak4409300 years after the fact? Wood needs to be taken care of unless you want it to rot. Even in dry conditions it’s not that stable without care.

@user-go, That is not really true. I don't believe in all these relics as being authentic. But the mayority of parts of the 'True Cross ' are insignifant pieces of wood. Tiny splinters. Put all together they're not enough to create one arm of the cross. ( So on that subject Calvin was wrong. ) Off course, the whole story of the 'finding of the cross ' is complete nonsense ! This BS about the Titulus goes the same way. It's a waist of money to use science to proof or un-proof the authenticity of any of these objects. But let's see it this way : Imagine you are an orphan from birth. Then, someday you find a photo of , what you think is your mother. ( You never met her and you don't know what she really looked like !) Would you appreciate some inconsiderate person to tell you: " NAAH, THAH AINT YOU MOM !! THAS THE LADY WHO DANSED IN THE BAR NEKS THE BUS STATION !" But t his photo was the only link to your mother..... Sometimes the truth is just not the best answer. 😢

They saw her coming.

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You're such a protestant

HOW CAN ST HELENA BE A SAINT IF SHE AUTHORIZED TORTURE TO SATISFY HER CURIOSITY. ALSO WHY DID SHE HAVE TO CUT UP THE CROSSES WITHOUT AT LEAST RECORDING THE COMPLETE CROSSES-AN ACT OF ARCHAEOLOGICAL VANDALISM?

@@user-zy7uc2tw1e why all caps?

@@christianhoffman7407 Why*

I don't think she would have returned empty handed to her son the emperor, unfortunately

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And they did not rot!

Easy: persecution.

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What is your evidence, please?

@@StevesSlideandJazz what’s YOURS! 😂😂😂

@@marcuscrumpton8568you know you lost the argument when you have to answer a question with a question.

Thx for taking this one. I needed a rest.

Absolutely no need was there.

There is a cottage industry at the base of mt Ararat of creating and selling authentic pieces of Noah’s ark.

If I or you ask for it yeah, but the emperor's mum who is going to con her 🤔 It could be true 😐

@@barbararice6650 how is she going to know. It is centauries before scientific testing. I have seen so many fake relics. Christians should be shamed by this, not celebrating it.

@@barbararice6650 It could be true that Santa lives at the north pole and make toys there too. It could be true.

​@barbararice6650 , Special pleading for Helen I see. She's was just a gullible and naive as the rest of the Christians and theists.

I'm into this 20 minutes and still waiting for any mention of those evidentiary tree rings. They don't lie.

Jeremiah 5:21 says "Hear this, you foolish and senseless people, who have eyes but do not see and who have ears but do not hear…" I’m having a difficult time relating that verse with this situation, but I’ll keep watching and see where it fits. I personally don’t think anything is wrong with people believing this piece of wood is off Jesus' cross, or any of the others. So long as no one is WORSHIPPING the piece of wood, what’s the harm??

I was waiting for someone to point this out. Tree rings can't be faked. Although I suppose you could find a piece of wood that old and claim it was the cross, but who would have bothered in the 1400s when they needed a boost in pilgrimage to help pay for the renovations.😉😄

My church has an original wine list from the last supper. However it was known then as the first supper, printers did not have hindsight to know there would not be another.

@@peterhickey1633 According to most paintings these guys were reserving lot of space as they all sat on the same side of the table. "We want table for 26 people!" "okay...but there is only 13 guys in your posse?" "Yeah, we all like to sit on the same side of the table...."

Nah they just moved around for the photo.

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No that is buried at oak island

Yeah, I guess they couldn't find any 600 year old stock footage of the original site. 😏

unfortunately yes

If it's a religious artifact, and any of it exists on the Earth, I agree. It's probably in Rome.

In bible have wrong info first greek to latin and athers soooo

@@Asdfhjkl998 did you actually read my comment? I was quoting what he stated, because that whole argument is nuts! Forgers make mistakes all the time! Why should it be any different when it involves holy relics!

we can tell forgeries by the spelling mistakes Chinese porcelain has different writing to modern day . forgers dont always grasp that

@@ADEN1961 please see my comment above, that was the point I was making! I was repeating what he states in the video and rolling my eyes at the stupidity of the comment he was making!

@@lindathomas5500 yes I did get your meaning it just reminded me of experiences I had with fake stuff lol

I watched a video where the water level of the Sea of Galilee exposed a boat from the 1st century CE. Right off the bat, Christians in the comment section said it was the boat Jesus was in when he walked on water.😂😂😂😂😂😂

Prove your evidence it isnt. 🥴🤡

@@tommy70888, Here we go again with Christians shifting the burden of proof.

@tommy70888 , A Christian shifting the burden of proof. Why am I not shocked?

@@samuelschick8813 not a christian nor am i religious. But u can keep assuming🥴🤡 why am i not shocked.

EVIDENCE OBTAINED THROUGH TORTURE IS GENERALLY COSIDWEWD UNRELIABLE AS THE PERSON BEING TORTURED WOULD SAY ANYTHING TO STOP THE TORTURE.

Some things never change

Possibly he thought he could make some money from withholding the information but she was used to getting what she wanted and wanted to make it clear she wasn't messing around.....

outside the natural history museum there's a tree trunk fossil that is 100 million years old

@@diorocks5858 fossil…not STILL wood

Neolithic bows have been found in Europe. Star Carr site for example.

@@mrjohn.whereyoufrom ahhhhhh fair one…thank you!

@@marcuscrumpton8568 Yes Sir its fossilized as we well know, but for some its still wood unfortunately.

Most wood rots away over time, the wooden furniture from Pompei is unusual in being preserved. There are some wooden artefacts though from this time, in a museum I visited in Retford there is a boat dating around 5th century I think it was that is wonderfully preserved when it was uncovered in the 1980s.

Act of Random Kindness, ( ARK )

debunked and deeply unimpressive to cite to trying to discredit.

It's inspiring...not required or needed.

They did with their saints, their attitudes were quite different to modern attitudes to conserving and preserving important historical objects. They were even happy to rip down the old vatican to build a new one. It was all about allowing the various churches across Europe to have a share.

"Yes, but how do you know?" "...execute this one!" 😅

A piece of old wood with an inscription scratched into it is not sufficient proof !😂

@starspike509 if you sign your checks and don't want your personal identity stolen it is lol🤣

​@@troyheffernan1261, Gotta love your mental gymnastics regarding the wood being real. As an artist you should know there are ways to forge things so they appear older than what they actually are. You should also know writing styles can be copied regardless of the Era they are from.

There is that problem, she wasn't an expert on 1st centuy Jewish customs and culture, so unless she took an expert with her it would be difficult to know for sure what was legitimate and what wasn't. I wouldn't have a clue. She probably believed God would help guide her.

Ever see the cool documentey on the search for who your real dad is? Here's a hint, it can't be every guy in the bar your mom stays at every weekend.

Except everything you have listed is fictious but Jesus Christ is real. He was God's son born of a virgin. He was innocent but crucified to save us from our sins. He rose from the dead after 3 days. He ascended into Heaven.

Actually people DID save the rope from hangings, it was thought to bring luck... Also, locks of hair and such.... handkerchiefs dipped in blood from beheadings... Most of them found out to be BS though. But they did keep Cromwell's head.

Maybe, though I would think once the big nails have been hammered through the wrists and heel and through the wood I don't know if it could be used a second time if there's now a hole where the new nails would need to go?

HELLO,,, IF YOU AND I KNOW THAT, THEN WHAT IT WRONG WITH THE PRODUCERS OF THIS, SO CALLED INVESTIGATION ?????????

So true. Do you know if they retested it with a piece of material further into the shroud?

​@@ChelseaJadeCNot yet, because this would be DESTRUCTIVE analysis and the new owners would have to approve that. That said, the SHROUD has been dated by other means (FAR INFRARED SPECTROSCOPY was done nondestructively in the CENTER of the SHROUD containing the image and it confirmed a date when JESUS CHRIST lived). I am am expert in ionizing radiation detection and the particles that created the SHROUD IMAGE are so unique they could only be reproduced in the 1980s by high energy charged particle accelerators. The SHROUD IMAGE is miraculous without question and as an expert in ionizing radiation detection I can confirm this fact!!

@@ChelseaJadeC No one has been able to get one. It took months of arguing over what they got last time.

@@debbibowen they don't want the truth revealed

Yes studying things like the wood itself would give a further idea if it is possible . Is it a wood that was in Jerusalem in that period ? If it isn't or is would further indicate if the carbon 14 date might indeed be questioned or should be accepted.

Why do you venerate anything, or anyone, for that matter, aside from Christ Himself? Even on the slim possibility that any piece survived, it does not make that piece any more powerful than any other piece of wood. I will tell you what it does do. It causes people to turn it and all the other relics into an idol. Hopefully, you know how God feels about idols. He is not pleased when people worship idols instead of Him, and that is exactly what people do with relics. They do the same with these "saints", who were regular people like you and I. Sainthood has been twisted into something that resembles nothing that is found in the Bible. The catholic method of becoming one does not exist in the Bible. Part of this method involves one having been dead for a certain number of years. This is a direct contradiction of what is found in Scripture. For example, in many of his letters, Paul wrote, "To the saints at (insert town)." He refers to living people, not dead. To put it plainly, a saint is merely another name for a Christian. It means nothing more special than that. Paul even had to tell some people of his day not to worship him, that he was not a god but a man, like them. Yet today, people worship him, or perhaps rather his statues, and pray to him rather than to God directly, doing the very thing he said not to. I truly hope you study your Bible to see whether the things catholicism teaches are true. I agree that it would be amazing to see or even touch something from biblical times that was connected to Jesus or any other figure. Yet I also know the danger, which is why I hope such things are never found. King Hezekiah had this exact problem with the Bronze Serpent that Moses made. People were worshipping it as an idol, and so he had it destroyed to prevent further sin.

@@saraross8396 Seriously? You don't understand the difference between the term "venerate" and "worship"? It's commonplace in English that any dignified human being might be called "venerable" because it means worthy of respect. I WORSHIP God alone. To quote myself above, "The point is we venerate the saving sacrifice of Jesus." You come across as having been trained that Catholics "worship" something other than GOD which is a lie someone told you.

@@saraross8396 Seriously, being ignorant about other people's beliefs or misunderstanding others' words and jumping all over them based on gross misunderstanding does not help yourself or others. I don't know why it continually astonishes me but it's clear that some protestant churches have a whole "doctrine" of lies about Catholicism and they believe fake information designed to prejudice them against Catholic Christians and the Catholic Faith and sow confusion. It's grossly dishonest. If you want to know what Catholics believe then go to actual Catholic sources like the Catechism of the Catholic Church where you can actually get a straight answer.

Great ideas within this answer .

Citation needed

@@offbrandsoup2579there won’t be a citation because there is no such thing.

I thought it said Jesus by name?

Correct. Or possibly Latin? But would the populace even be literate enough even to read it?

It was supposed to have been made by Pilot sarcastically.When the Jews complained that he carved king of the Jews the Pharisees complained and pilot told them basically to F off.

Of course they would- The rabbis, scribes and Pharisees studied Hebrew for divine worship in the Temple and the synagogues- the whole point of the inscription was to mock Christ, a rabbi. Most of the Eastern Mediterranean knew Greek, traded in Greek and travelled using Greek so this inscription makes perfect sense

@@josi4251 The greatest literacy would have been in Greek. Latin for the army clerks. Hebrew - a waste of time.

​@@MsMike651true, but not sarcastically, I think it was a jab at the pharasiees since he didn't want to do it

The Catholic church also claims to have the foreskin of Jesus. And in 4,5 churches at the same time.

That's not how proof works. Proof keeps being true even if you don't believe in it.

When one believes, no amount of evidence from scientific testing will be accepted.

@@juliantherussian7752 the sun comes up tomorrow and it will be day after night. any proof? there is not.but i know it will be like that. every day.

Belief doesn’t make something true. Belief changes your perception and it also makes it easier to make the evidence unintentionally fit the facts, even when they don’t.

@@franklulatowskijr.6974 In the German langauge there is a proverb - Gladden heisst nicht wissen-, freely translated - Believing does mean one knows nothing -...

@user-gz2qh1ie8d The scientists who took the sample were incompetents. Maybe the true believers did not want a valid test. Oh ye of little faith.

A really ugly beard?

Bad shave job ,real bad 😂

Is the fantasy of Christ going to save you? C’mon now.

@@johncall293 it ain't no fantasy.

Likely the cross was a Tau cross. A mortice and tenon held a cross beam to a permanently placed upright. A removable peg or nail held the cross beam on the upright beam with the tenon. It was likely a short upright. The feet were nailed to the sides of the upright through the ankle. The knees of the crucified would likely touch the ground. They weren't designed to be comfortable. They placing of the nailed person on the tenon wasn't designed to be difficult to do, two guys would lift the nailed one onto the tennoned upright, secured with the locking peg or nail, probably jutting out to make it difficult for the crucified to keep their head and neck straight up and impede their attempt to lift themselves to breath and ease their knees. The nails went through the base of the wrist severing the tendons not allowing the index and middle fingers to curl in. Hence the hand gesture of blessing, which in fact was a result of the injury.