They actually aren't as intelligent as you are giving them credit for. But it bothers me as well. Why? They have way too much influence on peoples' lives.

It should be not too difficult to carbon date it to see if it's really 1st century matieral or not. The catholic church has never claimed the Turin Shroud is authentic either. What is interesting though is there is some controversy over the carbon dating from 1988 and some of the historical evidence suggesting an earlier date.

@@lw3646 A team of scientists equivalent to the STuRP team could easily find out if the image is composed of paint or watercolor. It looks like a medieval painting.

Same here. It bothers me that so-called intelligent people somehow disregard the 1978 investigation of the Turin Shroud that was conducted by a team of 24 scientists using four tons of equipment. That team made a very serious attempt to determine how the images of a human corpse were imprinted on the Shroud. they failed to do that despite taking three years to analyze their evidence. They were forced to conclude that the images were not paintings of any kind and were not the work of an artist. How those images were created remains a mystery to this day. Currently, there is a standing reward offer of one million dollars to anyone who can accurately reproduce the Shroud images.

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The Veil of Vernoica would have shown, the bloodied and battered face, lips, eyebrows, and torn out beard fragments. None of these many pictures and paintings show this other than what appears more-likely with the Shroud of Turin of a puffy beaten faced person.

The Shroud of Turin, and "the face towel (being the Veil of Veronica)" said to be with the Shroud (the Sindon), it STILL WOULDN"T HAVE OPEN EYES. So if there is another byssus cloth that was with the Sindon, then this remains elusive and not in any known collection - as it would show blood, plasma, and a battered face, crown of thorns forehead bleeding spots ....

Did you watch this ?

No it's a fake that pulled in shit loads of money for the priests

KING Jesus, not “prince” 🤯

He was/is a cult leader nothing more

​@@pork-techpty3078what do you think of muhamed? Prophet of islam?

@@Legrascestlavie88 Another cult leader?

I care. He also had significantly more than just a good soul.

@@Legrascestlavie88 most religions pray on people’s fear of the unknown, promising heaven, with no proof, in return for following the cult rules. The eternal scam.

That was the issue at hand when a cardinal chose this one over the other 5. Having those destroyed. Most likely including the actual veil.

There never was a "real" veil of any sort. It's a much later legend. People made veils to match the legend.

​​@@betty5064in this case I think yes. As they mentioned it certainly helped attract pilgrims. The Shroud of Turin is an interesting one, i see points both for and against it being more than a 14th centuy forgery. Going back to the actual gospel though a face cloth and burial linen would have been used for the burial. If an image of Jesus was really imprinted onto these then why doesn't the bible mention this? Seems like a pretty interesting detail to leave out. The Sudarium of Oviedo for me is probably the most worthwhile one to look at. There seem to be some problems again though with the carbon dating and it can only be traced back historically to 570AD. Its so hard to know, in the 4th century according to tradition Helen mother of Constantine the Great is said to have brought back to Rome what she believed were the marble steps of the place of Pilot, but how could she have been sure?

Too many what ifs and speculating for me....

just like I am with religion in general

How could he give it back in the first place if his hands where nailed to the cross.

@@Odder-BeingThey weren’t nailed until AFTER.

“It was said to have borne a miraculous image of Christ” The whole point is it’s a miracle. Not a face-print 🤦🏼‍♀️😂 I don’t believe in any of it, but maybe that’s why I can hear what’s actually being said.

@@jessiewhitman8688 he was carrying the cross! and I would imagine she would have wiped his face herself not pass the veil to him to do it himself!

there are videos showing the faces are compatible - a question of angles.

The face on the Shroud looks like a Christian Crusader knight. There are mosiacs that survive from the 1st centaury and they show Jews with short cropped hair due to lice. They were more likely to have roundish faces with short hair, not long faces with long hair like the face on the Shroud. Yeshua Ben Yuseph/Iesous Cristos/Jesus Christ was a relative nobody when he was crucified on an X shaped cross. His face would not have been a celebrated feature at the time. There were no Polaroids! Fudging a religious icon was not considered to be a sin during the 13th centaury since it generated love & interest in Christ & God. That's how how you generate cash & people to build the faith and that's what God wants, so go for it!!!

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Correct. It isn't an imprint. They said she gave him the cloth which he used to wipe off the blood and sweat. Then he gave it back to her and a face 'magically' appeared on it. Unlike the Shroud of Turin, which was said to actually be an imprint from being laid over his body and it absorbed the ointments they used on his body during his burial.

The Shroud was dated to about 1300.

To me it looks not particularly well done. Some art from this period is beautiful but this looks quite badly done.

I believe in Santa 🎅 I need no proof either

Yes people believe all sorts of things with no good reason. A god would know what proof would be needed to make non believers believe.

That’s a cop out.

It's actually the other way around. I'm quite happy to believe with proof. It's perfectly rational.

@@williamdebruin2838 As i said, it is an individuals choice.

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I agree with you! Not black either! Brown skin! Green,or brown eyes! About maybe 5 ft in height at the most!

No if he was real, he was white. He was not from Africa, he was from Asia, and the same region today is still filled with the same white people. No doubt if Jesus was real, anybody would look at him and say he was white. Also, Jesus has been pictured as white for over a thousand years, nobody is trying to push his race on to anybody. For heaven sakes, Da Vinci pained him in the most famous Jesus painting ever, and he pained him as a white man over 500 years ago. I assure you, he was not trying to push the race of Jesus on to anybody. Even in Africa they paint Jesus a white man. Some of the most well know pictures of Jesus come from Africa, and he is white in those pictures. You know wh?ecause they know Jesus did not come from Africa, and was from Asia, and they know the race of the people in the region he came from. Jesus was as white as King Tut. The same King Tut who's DNA shows not only was he white, but over 50% of all living Europeans are related to him. Not bad for a Black Egyptian LOL. The best part about this, is you are the only on here that wants to push the race of Jesus on us, and it is because you are the biggot you claim others are. Get over it, race is meaningless. Grow up!

many scholars, Revelation 1:14-15 offers a clue that Jesus's skin was a darker hue and that his hair was woolly in texture. The hairs of his head, it says, "were white as white wool, white as snow. His eyes were like a flame of fire, his feet were like burnished bronze, refined as in a furnace.”Feb 20, 2019

​@@RichardBaker-wt8wm many scholars, Revelation 1:14-15 offers a clue that Jesus's skin was a darker hue and that his hair was woolly in texture. The hairs of his head, it says, "were white as white wool, white as snow. His eyes were like a flame of fire, his feet were like burnished bronze, refined as in a furnace.”Feb 20, 2019

@@sheroldpruitt8328 I read your wonderful text! But I come across some what confused?? If you say that Christ Jesus was, black than I would have to disagree with you! Christ Jesus, would come across more as a Palestine living in today Gaza or the west bank! Jesus Christ did not look northern Europe! As you read from the book of revelation,the book of revelation,was written 150 years after the death of Christ Jesus! And it was not written by the apostle John! It was supposed written by a disciple, John divine! He was exiles or l, believe he was beening punishment? Another fun fact,martin Luther as he was writing the bible in German, he was deciding if the book of revelation, should be allowed in bible he was writing. He took two other books,that is still in the Catholic bible! And let not go to the Ethiopian Orthodox bible! Far more books!

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Shroud of Turin

So are we all!

How many gods are there?

@@flipflopski2951 one according to the 3 books.

@@marcot4863 Which one is god?..

@@flipflopski2951 Jews, Christians and Muslims worship the same God. Christianity and Islam derived from judiasm.

A serpent used by the deceiver, for its written the serpent was of great beauty,not by works but by grace are we saved,only thru the man Yeshua is there life and life abundantly.

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A rather brown man with a big honk

All you need do is look at the Shroud.

Nope. He has a human image. Stay mad. 😊 No replies will be seen

@@mywifesboyfriend5558 i doin't stay sad. I actually it very funny. Everyone has a brain, using it is free...

because it is simply a continuation of the Roman empire. Jesus NEVER meant to found a new religion Christianty is not jesus's church HE NEVER HAD ONE jesus was a fervent Jew. praying in the temple and in the synagogue. when Paul came along and introduced the gentiles he warped and twisted jesus's teaching. Then came Constantine a pagan until his death.=who continued the demolision of jesus's mission. The modern Catholic church is the product of Constantine.

It absolutely matters. People need an image, a symbol. Something to visualize. Humans are like that. Jesus was in the form of man. Have a blessed day. 😊 No replies will be seen