Definitely a miss from Laith here. Main criticism I've seen others give to CK3 and one I'd agree with is the lack of variety in its gameplay and mechanics. If you boot up a CK3 game and decide to play as a count in the HRE you will have a virtually indistinguishable game than if you decided to play a empire in India. There aren't enough mechanics or interesting content to make the areas feel diverse or interesting. Each game of CK3 eventually devolves into upgrading your buildings, declaring war, waiting, upgrading buildings, declaring war etc.. and repeat

​@@asfasfasfasf360Agreed the fact ck3 needs mods to make the game fun not better just fun is kinda bad. Also even if that comes they will just make them into a lot of dlcs making ck3 for somebody who isn't willing to spend a few hundred not even fun to begin with.

​@somethingelseidk what mods do you recommend? Been playing for ages but recently got it on steam

@@somethingelseidk1035 Totally get you, when me and my friends play other Paradox games we usually have about 10 mods on at a time. For CK3 me and my friends have 40+ mods on at a time. The game is a great foundation to build on and make it surpass CK2 but Paradox forgot that the rest of the house comes after the foundation is laid

@@jesus2850 Community Flavor Pack, VIET Events, Better Battles, Regional Immersion and Cultural Enrichment, Muslim Enhancements, Hiraeth - Dynasty Legacies Overhaul and Africa Plus are some of my favourite big mods to add more variety to regions and new content in the game. Just keep in mind that they won't all work together naturally but there are community patches for them on the Steam Workshop too

Somebody actually asked about the status of societies on Steam Discussions and the Community Ambassador replied with this: "Not for a long time. We were never happy with how they were implemented in CK2, so we'd want to go all the way back to the drawing board with the concept. That said, that's exactly what we did with Regencies for the upcoming update, so it's not outside the realm of possibility."

@@syrialak101 That just sounds like bs. CK2 players love the Societies and Bloodlines mechanics the way they are. If PDX doesnt like the way they made their own DLC that's their problem. CK3 is the stupid but hot blonde version of CK2. PDX should stop trying to dumb down mechanics in their games, its hurting the replayability of their IPs.

I think the problem with societies is they were to stagnant. A lot of people did have problems with them because they were too similar to each other and the only factor that mattered was martial meaning there was no RP potential. A lord diving into for example Christian mysticism could go 1 of 1000 ways, but in game it was just like... 4 event chains, a buff and a character interaction per level. Paradox saw it as non-vital then decided they might work on it later... so they could sell it back to us. Heres my pitch for a society rework: Only a handful exist from the start of the game, skilled individuals can create one by recruiting others into a scheme (or something similar with its own UI) and raising money and their skill level. When its high enough they can start building facilities which are placed in provinces and provide bonuses/interactions to members. if the quality of members are too low the fee to keep the society running increases, so naturally you want highly skilled members and the death of a central member may mean the death of the society. There would be a number of societies to choose from including secret societies and holy orders would be made into societies. For example a "shadow rulers society" would be about manipulating the courts you're members of and at their peak could pressure rulers into wars and alliances, there'd be religious societies that prosletize to neighbours and support the faith, etc

societies? heck no!

"that will annoy you to death after you do it 2 times" My brother in christ you literally described the CK2 societies gameplay loop

This. Yes.

it would also make the game alot less laggy and would allow for them to make the map bigger like adding asia

@@ethanloveland504 FOW and exploration doesnt make the game less laggy. Everything processes the same but you have a fog layer (texture) on top of the map (texture). In fact you add FOW/TI, that means you have to keep a FOW log for each nation/lord's knowledge of the map. This adds lag real quick

​​@@ethanloveland504 Might seem like it at first, but.. No there will be a new file for every lord and what their FOW will be, it'll skyrocket your resources of your PC. Unlanded lords might have it too, because of marriage and inviting proposals to court. imagine how laggy it'll be with more than 19000+ entities with seperate files?

that just sounds like "hide people who are out of diplomatic range" which like... fine I guess. don't really see what that adds

Agreed. They should divide the map into regions which you can enable and disable in the game rules menu.

And for India too

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At least it has clean code 😅 let’s not compare it with Exploda Universalis IV

@@michaelbeaud7661 funny enough, EU4 is the only Paradox game I can reliably play with minimal lag or crashes, on my shitty early-mid 2010's laptop.

@@vonbeedle554 maybe that’s related to it’s engine dating from 2013, unlike it’s more recent franchises 😉

The only exception was caused by "The Reaper's Due" in ck2, and I think the developers didn't expect something like that to happen. Maybe ck3 needs an equivalent to that?

Greeland events are just for the norse? I never saw those

Then how about the RICE mod? It has silk road flavour and the colonisation of greenland as mechanics

They 100% need to add in trade routes again that not being in the game is a huge disappointment its sick that a couple solid tiles can finance your reign

I was doing a playthrough in Persia the other day I think I had the rice mod toggled but you can improve relations and put a specific ethnic group in charge of it but other then that there’s not much.

My Xbox would survive, I think

@@ADMICKEY Yeah bro my dreamcast can run this fr fr 💯

Idk why but my 5 year old basic mid tier laptop runs ck3 fine and fast

No it wouldnt my pc costs like 700 usd at most converted from brazilian real and it runs just fine

You must’ve gotten a bad 1000 USD PC deal then, what’s in it?

That will only be released as a new game, maybe called Celestial Emperors I, CE1

That would be so much time and effort spend on their part, so much money. For something that might very well just be useless.

@@fredriknumse8991true, but the entire video is talking about whether or not they should add it, with the main issue being performance. Either way it’d be a whole lot of effort for something potentially ‘useless’. I just proposed a way so it wouldn’t kill the fps.

@@cyberhawk9950 Totally fair

just just get a new engine that can utilize modern cpus

...And, and don't forget India.

Thing is, the medieval world isn't isolated. The Roman empire fells, majorly because of the Huns, who came from central asia. The Mongols also cames from eastern Asia and subjugated from there to Poland. The kingdom of the Visigoths was shattered by a Berber-Arab coalition coming from Africa, that rode as north as Tours in France. Also the Turks who redefined the middle east and the byzantine empire forever If the central asian steppe isn't represented faithfully, Europe, especially eastern Europe, cannot really be represented faithfully either.

O perfeito é inimigo do bom. A paradox faz jogos tds lagados. Eu só jogo na Europa. Nao faz sentido nemhum ter a India ou sudeste asiatico.

@Johnson Howard That might be too far. America during this time would need to be its own game

@@JohnsonHoword No. Asia, Africa, and Europe are all connected. Ck3 is about the time period of much of the known (old) world. Exceptions being the Americas and Southern Africa, do to their distance from the other notable regions, and the way they function in comparison to the rest of the world.

Hordes and Republics are my big wish for this game

They have republic like Venice

@@AshMyslins-zd4bj Yeah but they have no content at all, no reason to play them

You can’t even play as republics since they have no bloodline heir

​@@Kepps-ff3rgIt isn't possible anyways to play republics or theocracies, so why bother anyway?

The fact a mod can do it but not the developers of the game shows more how paradox as always is too lazy and greedy to actually work on their games.

​@@panzermaus664 Most of the mods do start taking away from fps on my computer depending on how big it is.

@@singularleaf3895 Depends on the mod. Some modding teams yet manage to reduce problems and add more then the base game. Plus its obvious something must be really wrong with the engine and its optimization if literally every game they make has such issues.

@@panzermaus664 yes it’s definitely a sign that they’re lazy and greedy, and not that they just don’t want to add a region which isn’t relevant to the context of the game

@@softandwet7584 You mean a game where you can easily have interesting scenarios in Asia with it's own religious problems and systems that would entertain people? Yeah totally and not lazy to add DLC just to play a specific region. *Cough fucking cough DLC for india, pagans and muslims cough*

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​@@StateholderofLunt She just loves you bc you got all the eu4 expansions🙄🙄🙄

The issue is, I think, that those other areas weren’t feudal or even have a feudal-like system, it would have to implement a whole new political system exclusive for those areas, it won’t be the same game and it certainly won’t be playable.

@@michealf6675 Half the current map isn't feudal or even close, and it's certainly playable. Is it a realistic representation of what it was like to be a, say, pagan Cuman chieftain? Hell no. But I'd rather have it than not.

Albeit I mostly agree, we can't really say that people wouldn't flock to play as Japanese samurai or great Chinese emperors of the age, can we?

@Justinian the Great You're right but I think it would add extra disappointment if they added an extra continent that probably will start as just a reskin that renames knights to samurai and vassals to daimyo. Personally I would trade all of Asia for extra frames and a more in depth europe and mid east, but hey I'm a western chauvinist

I always play in India -_-

They did India dirty in CK2 and it's even blander in CK3. They need so much more flavour: caste needs to play a role but not be as rigid and stupid as it was in CK2, there needs to be an equivalent to a struggle mechanic with Islamic invasions, there needs to be a lot more cosmetic variety, and to some extent interaction with Southeast Asia is almost necessary to get a decent picture of what South India was up to at the time (conquering, trading, and expanding eastwards).

​@@jadhussein8412 But then it's literally useless for Paradox to spend money on a DLC that only people who were born in India will play there, which is a small part of the population that plays CK3. And by the way, I'm of Portuguese and Italian descent, but that doesn't mean I spend my whole life playing on the Iberian or Italian peninsula...

So? Just have vassal titles be easily revoked with no penalty, and have administrators with high Stewardship be more efficient.

Ck fails at representing anything bt mediaeval France. Even that is somewhat generous but to the rest? It can't be called anything but a "it's something"

It definitely wouldn't as ck barely manage to somewhat function as a simulation of mediaeval France. It fails at like every other area already in the game to varying degrees

a socialist liberal we have here ... guess how do i know it

@@frankargenti What does that have to do with anything LMAO

No. The opposite happened when Rajas was released. The lag was so bad that they were forced to optimise it afterwards and rethink adding more regions like China. It's probably one of the reasons that China was off map in the China DLC.

@@asfasfasfasf360 Obviously you are a conservative anarchist.

I was going to say make a different game for each region but this works too

Yeah just like total war

I use a mod called population control, which causes people really far away and unlanded to die of natural cause. It keeps the character population under 22,500 which is really useful because I don't get any lagging or crashing 40 years into the game when normally every polygamist has like 10 kids and the world population has more then doubled.

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They woud need to optimize the game to add some of east asia

@@tf2fan649 Them just need to add a fog of war. Which focuses on the area where u are or the areas that u discovered. Like if u from europe u see eastern europe, western europe some of africa and some of asia like ending at persia.

Italians are already switching sides lol.

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Crusader Kings, yet Islam is the best religion to play as.

Victoria 3 should only have the UK playable then?

​@@prestonjones1653Ironically Muslim s were far more tolerant and advanced in that time period. So they should make game like jihadist caliph 1, lol

I unironically think the map should only go to to modern Pakistan at most in the south and to Mongolia in the north. Crusader Kings 3 is mostly about crusader kings as the name implies, Asia didn't develop a feudal system similar to European aside from China, which isn't in the game anyways. The game should be about the struggle of Christian vs Muslim world and everything else is ultimately unnecessary, like sure, you should have Mongolia and north Africa (Mongolia due to relevance to the region of interest and the entire world and Africa due to the Roman Empire) but that's about it. Ethiopia is cool, but I have no idea why Subsaharan africa is partially in, the Tibet-Central Asia region does nothing of relevance and feels shoehorned in along with India. You can shatter Byzantines as the Caliphate, reform Rome in your image, carve out an empire in the North Sea, make Slavic tribes march to the west once again as one or... Make a random empire in Central Asia and unite India. There's no conflict in the latter. Italt, HRE, Slavs and Arabs want to shatter the Byzantines, or at least pick up the pieces when they collapse, meanwhile Byzantines start the strongest by far, with good expansion opportunities. This can make strange bedfellows and if you want to go for Slavia there's no reason to avoid going Muslim and befrieding Arabia. Italy, HRE and Byzantines hate eachother AND Slavs and Muslims, Slavs for Croatia for the Roman Empire, Muslims for trying to eat Byzantines. And at some point Mongols (should) waltz in and force uneasy alliances to stop it Vikings will go for Scandinavia and usually North Sea Empire, while islanders will try to form Britannia. Conflict again. It's one or the other. Meanwhile Turkestan is a braindead formable, while India is a universal goal for Indian states. The problem is that Roman Empire does it better. You have three separate flavors of it depending on who tries to do it and a contender for the same lands in form of Slavia. India is just conquer conquer conquer form, which is made even worse by three very similarily sized empires being contenders

Nah adding west Africa was good because A: this region had a lot of empires at this time including the one ran by the world's richest person ever B: it allows for more interesting African game play. If it was just north and east Africa breaking out of Africa more than once would be boring C: the daara

​@dehydrateddarkness3565 so you want the Mongols but you don't want central Asia? How do you expect them to do their thing without the place they built up their power, the place they invaded the middle east from? How do you represent the seljuk? Central Asia is too important.