Question... Was John wearing his ball cap when they found him?

I think there's lots of reasonable doubt. This shady unprofessional investigation team prevented justice for this victim and that's unacceptable.

​@@maryannec55no they found it later

Not guilty

What I think is that you should get people on your show who have actually watched the whole trial. Honestly it's embarrassing to watch.

Exactly!!!! She made up her mind and think she did it. 🤦🏽‍♀️🤦🏽‍♀️🤦🏽‍♀️🤦🏽‍♀️what happened to innocent until proven guilty.

But Karen was that night. She called John 50 something times. 50!!!!! That’s like a full time job calling someone that many times.

Jealously only leads to one thing. Unhappy unhealthy relationship. I’ll sit back and watch this play out. Lawyers aren’t helping any.

That's right he led her on he used her to take up the slack with the kids.

@@Gem0674 yeah, a babysitter with benefits according to one witness…

True, he’s nasty, but he’s not the one on trial for murder 🫤

Trooper proctors is not on trial for murder

@@katrinat.3032Instead he botched the investigation into a police officer’s death. Real innocent looking to you, huh?

@@Mandy-ij3ssHe’s in law enforcement. Of course he can manipulate in order to evade accountability!

Seriously

Yeah not motive for murder

​@@Watchingvids01unless you're wasted, angry, controlling and out of your mind... as KR was.

@@EmberRNAccording to who?

@@EmberRN So were the other Canton troopahs; they were also wasted. Higgins was wasted, maybe angry, and was losing control of the "so-called flirting."

Right the blond even suggested she is Bp she is a prosecutor dream 🙀

And killing a man

He’s not blowing it out of proportion you can literally tell from the tone of the text and the way that they are texting they were arguing John was barely responding to Karen and she kept calling and texting him trying to get his attention and this was a few hours before they met up at the bar

Litterally! I said the same thing. Just a regular argument between a couple. about where they’re at.

​@minehliavakian9967 and that means she killed him because they were arguing?

EXACTLY , EVERY SINGLE WITNESS IN THE BAR THAT NIGHT SAID THEY WERE BOTH LOVEY DOVEY TO EACH OTHER 😅 THESE PPL AINT HAVE AN OUNCE OF COMMON SENSE .

She’s an idiot

She sounds on top of it to me!

What? 😂

Absolutely beyond bias! She grouped all women into 1 quote; all women have 1 type of reaction to relationship conflict.

I though it was Barbara Cartland for a minute

They're bent as a nine bob note

Yea np way they would lie like all the police in this case

Phd 😂 in what

@@andywrollo2915but it’s impossible for the police to be “bent”…..🙄

@@estrella5935 yeah right 🤣

Thank you 👏 👏

It's not just this case either.

Sean McDonogh is live now. Going Through The Motions retired award winning federal agent if you don't know of him

I feel like the ppl they pick have to give very strong opinions even when it doesn’t make sense. also sounds like a tame argument to me.

@@tacham4533 the people they pick to even argue the case are weak 🙄 its like they pick a name outta the hat. That's my biggest grief! Kindergarten teacher vs a PhD.

Ya, I’ve got a major issue w that plus the office txts + sale of house & dog

Why didn't she knock on Brian Albert's front door when she found her boyfriend unconscious in his front yard in the snow?

@@KTrue942 Right! Why instead she just screamed hysterical “I HIT HIM! I HIM HIM! I HIT HIM!”? And “ this is all my fault!”.

@@claudiafranco4888 Right. How did she even find him if he was covered in snow?

Exactly ……

Agree completely

The analysis makes no sense. The text messages and voicemails are clear evidence of her being innocent because it's obvious she was wanting him to call back because she didnt know he was dead. And she didnt know he was dead because she didnt kill him,

Well said. A woman with good intuition. John didn’t want to “bite the hand that fed him”. Karen could bank roll his lifestyle and care for the kids. “babysitter with benefits”

Everyone’s’ saying “poor Karen”. What about “poor John he’s dead”. 😢

Oh no I just started to listen to this and reading comments. I don’t know why CourtTv and law and crime think they have to find the useless people to communicate on their channels.

Who is paying you?

Yes, but trooper proctor, and the others are witnesses, but they themselves are not on trial for murder

Are you kidding me? She called him over 50 times and one night. She said I effing hate you. I don’t know anybody who’s relationship is like that.

I had a friend who was sort of toxic with one of her boyfriends. Back in the day, there were no cell phones, and she would still call his home several times. I disliked that behavior so much that I left it at that if someone ghosted me. I was never one to call and or beg. Absolutely not. She would drink quite a bit but never killed anyone. So all these texts just tell me that their relationship was coming to an end but did not kill him.

I totally agree with you! And some of the faces she makes during court are inappropriate.

Dr Carol yeah. I feel sorry for any couples seeing her. Just goes on a hunch and concludes and then speaks from that perspective. She is a disgrace. But yeah Karen and John also probably drank too much

@@wandile. So did the rest of the Troopahs

Yes. Seems most of them were alcoholics. Alcohol played a massive roll in all of this. Who wasn't pissed ?

For adults, yes. For frat boys, no.

Did you watch the dash cam ? No remorse ? Really ? That’s Jen McCabe . How about the inverted video ?

Mental Health professionals isn't psychobabble. Their assessment is quite valid and accurate.

​​​@@holly_kay5570"Mental Health professionals" are not ethically allowed to diagnose etc without spending time and meeting the requirements and standards of assessment with the actual person in question. You are confusing their personal opinions with professional analysis and assessment. Its not possible from reading texts that someone, or anyone, can accurately and professionally meet the standards of assessment. So your opinion that their "assessment is quite valid and accurate" simply means you agree with their personal opinion. Court tv misrepresented their opinions as expert opinions... An expert in a certain field can have an opinion that is not an expert opinion. There was not a professional assessment done here, just personal opinions on abstract subjective texts. Therefore not expert. Genuinely appreciate your opinion and send this message with respect 👍

@@delorusclaiborne3274 No diagnosis was given. However KRs behaviors were discussed and assessed by these experts in the context of the messages she sent that were disrespectful and manipulative.

Delorus, true, these opinions, like many of the youtube lawyers who apparently don’t have enough clients to be in Court or writing briefs, filing motions on their clients behalf are all just content for youtube. Some of the lawtubers have behaved despicably IMO and stretch, if not break, the Model Rules of Professional Conduct lawyers are bound by. It’s quite a tawdry circus. They seem completely unfazed by The gravity of a suffering family and children.

Had he not died, she probably would have left him. But he wanted her to pick him up and spend the weekend with him. She’s not so gross considering the mixed signals he was sending.

@@halfirish8056 although Karen’s behavior bothers me more, John should’ve never been depending on her for a ride.

This is how I feel, also. He wanted her when he needed her to babysit. She was being used and didn't feel like he appreciated what she did for him. He was stonewalling her in those texts and calls. Yet when he needed her, he basically expected that shed give in.

Yeah guest list is off

​​@@Mia.Videos.1YES!!! Totally!!! I mean God forbid we have anything bad to say about an officer that adopted orphaned children. I mean I do think he was a stand up guy. Obviously a stand up cop. But he was taking her for granted. Everybody is afraid to say that. Nobody would send angry texts to someone they just killed either. I've never seen such a farce in my life. Lally saying the dog bite lady (who let's a minute to 👏) was unqualified after Trooper Paul's testimony was incredulous. My jaw hit the floor when he said that.😂

@@nikkijohnson4933 I agree he was probably taking advantage but she’s a grown woman! She couldn’t seem to take a hint… maybe a little obsessed!? What you allow in a relationship will continue!

Yeah. No arguments about that either.

For sure this highly cocky and over confident bunny boiler

She hasn’ shown any remorse either

Slash, exactly what I’ve been saying the judge, jurors and prosecutors already have her as guilty, the judges is just trying to get any credible evidence to to put the final nail in

@@Babyd320 she acts as if she’s not on trial, all smiles, making faces throughout testimonies and acting arrogant!! So disrespectful to the court, jury and to the O’keef family!! She needs to step off her high horse!!

Exactly, look at Casey Anthony!

@@theresafeeney2756 EXACTLY!! No one ever expected that verdict, not even Casey Anthony herself and boom NOT GUILTY!! Shocking 😮

Oooo yes! Better not 😀. Especially with that face and obsessed personality

@@Aksel38 Wow you U.S guys are truly hateful over there🤦🏽‍♀️

because she said so in those texts? She sounds so crazy! tell me if you have someone else? calling him constantly! why you said that? so what you apologized? what does she want to hear? its repetitive over and over and over! omg!

@@andreayoon1096Lucky you. Never being stonewalled or gaslight by a boyfriend! Nice! Lemme tell you. It drives you nuts. Are you committing murder after? I never murdered anyone but my text history will tell a doozy of a messed up break up.

@@halfirish8056 people do crazy stuff when they are intoxicated.

What dog? You fell for that?

​@@EmberRNThe Alberts dog a German shepherd which they got rid of 🤔

She was to drunk to think out some "alibi" come on...

Yeah. And I think she was attached to the kids, too. It’s not just breaking up with John, it breaking up with the kids. Which means the break up takes longer to actually happen for good. Break ups are hard. People are forgetting that. Just because she didn’t want kids doesn’t mean this wasn’t breaking her heart. The texts showed me that John was a lousy boyfriend, not that she’s guilty of murder.

Exactly. I work with couples and intimate partner violence survivors as well. And those texts are not what I'd expect to see before such a drastic escalation. Compare and contrast Karen's texts with Ali Abulaban's messages to his victim for example... There appears to be some anxious attachment/distanced pursuer dynamics going on, but that doesn't usually lead to homicide IME.

And a person with anxious attachment’s biggest fear is abandonment. But they often communicate in ways to create breakup b/c it fits the subconscious narrative in their mind that “everyone leaves me”. So I think she was subconsciously creating the conditions for him to break it off. Which can be overwhelming to even a person with a secure attachment style. These texts in no way prove motive or intent. This is normal insecure attachment communication. She wanted nothing more than his full attention and commitment. Doesn’t prove murder. This is so common in couples communication.

Simply, she could not tolerate rejection. The officers and their families had no motive to kill John but she did.

​@@Elsley12- You aren't paying attention or can't comprehend the lack of truth and fact to prove the changes

Hopefully you never have something you've stated get twisted and people still run with it like its facts! 😒 That would Suck wouldn't it!!

I bet Jen put that in her head and she was asking did I hit him? I hit him?

No, a female FIRST RESPONDER said those words and said that Karen Read said them. She is a childhood friend of one of the McCabe -Albert crime families

I agree but I also think she was overcharged because the victim was a cop and all those other cops committed DUI that night. All of them.

Durrr me male gender man durrr

I think she’s guilty of vehicular man’s law and leaving the scene. I don’t think she planned on killing him.

And my comment is deleted!!

I agree w/you. Lesser charge. But yeh..take some responsibility.

The problem is she went back to Fairview and didn’t call 911 when she realized what happened.. she left him there .. if she called an hour earlier he could have possibly recovered. It’s all very sad and unnecessary

That’s YOUR opinion.

@@SunnyDays70s Sure! Just like you telling me “that’s YOUR opinion”, that quote is your opinion! See how that works😂. We all have one🤪.

@@sugabritches1536 Exactly. You have yours and I have mine. Have a good day.

Does not prove anything.

@@md8465 Just like Karen SAYING that John was killed in Arnolds' house does not mean it happened.

Absolutely no evidence that she killed him. His injuries, especially on his arm look like a dog attack. You can even google what a dog attack looks like. He didn’t have any injuries to his torso. How was he killed by a vehicle.

Maybe if you were treated like a babysitter with benefits you would to!!

She didn't put a good face in Aruba but was happy at the bar.

So? Trying to get his ass on gear and get on home IS HORRIFYING!

She said that to get a response from him! He said he was relying on her to get a ride home that night so she was trying to encourage a response! She wasn't ever actually in Mansfied.

It's mind boggling how you think she is guilty without evidence proving it. Your comments about her are awful , you don't know her , you are worse than proctor

That’s what I think. I don’t think she knew that she hit him. I don’t know if she was blacked out drunk. But I find it odd that she woke up in a panic and essentially went straight to the place where she would’ve hit them. Why don’t you just call the Albertsons and say hey is John sleepover there? The fact that she went in a panic back to that spot tells me that in the back of her head, she either thought or knew she hit something. And now she was realizing it it was John.

Yeah people get caught up in the drama and ignore the physical evidence

I agree with you. The CW accident reconstruction "expert" would have the jury belive she hit his arm with her vehicle and he ended up 30 feet away. Gross incompetence.

Really? That is sad. Where is your empathy for John. KR text messages are invasive and controlling; unacceptable behavior. JO set boundaries. Her behavior is toxic. She is not a young woman. She is old enough to know when to stop.

I agree. It’s a narcissistic move from John. Men can behave in low ways. Gaslighting playing games. Etc. Manipulation evading etc. 💯 true. We get he’s dead now, but the facts are that toxic behavior did extend rom him. Cops have power they can behave despicably. This woman talking in the pink scarf is wrong. John may have stated that h wanted space, but she may have said the same thing in certain moments. As we can see w the text. It’s manipulative a power struggle on both sides. Just look closely, he wants a ride from her it’s like a carrot in a stick. He was a narcissist. RIP John, but facts are what they are. Each side, manipulation toxic controlling and an attempt to try to fix the relationship. Not to get a reaction but to get him to ask to come along. The man controlling manipulating her by keep8g her close. Reason why she started to try to get away and date elsewhere. She was in her right to do so, since he was being a narcissist gaslighter. No wonder she begun to doubt him. ONKY she knew what he was capable of. Sorry but both of them had an issue. He didn’t want out. He was hanging w her, he was manipulative. It’s terrible that he died, but he died die to his fake corrupt cop friends. Those kids are ungrateful. They can be honest and say things they both said and both their behavior, the kids just want to say what they’ve been manipulated to say. Sad situation.

@@Anna-ww4pv when I made this post I was not saying that I don’t have empathy for John O’Keefe. Obviously, he is the victim that passed away here, which is incredibly sad, and I really feel for his family. Me saying that, does not mean that I cannot express me having empathy for Karen Reed as well. I specifically connected to HER, as she is the female in this situation, and I’m a female as well. I do agree that she was saying things that were off putting and out of line, but so was he. Their relationship was extremely toxic! That will be all I say about this situation on this thread, being as I DO NOT feel that I need to defend or explain myself. Have a good night❤️

Oh please...I never feel sorry for Karen Read. She's got the MONEY...The RICH Daddy ... and the means. And its people like this one.. who get to walk free.

Bingo!!!!

"damning?" "Filled with rage?" whaaaaaaaat? I'm tired of "experts" sensationalizing everything. I guess saying, "eh, typical couple problems. Blah blah blah," doesn't make for a good program. But neither does sensationalism or fake news.

💯💯💯💯💯‼️‼️

👏👏👏💯💯

But then he wanted her to pick him up and spend the weekend together? Sending mixed signals to her makes her entitled?

The. Why did he go in to ask her to join him at the bar?

Those marks should have been swabbed as evidence

They were swabbed, and they tested negative for any k9 dna

After hours lying in the snow would there be DNA left after they cleared the snow off him? Also if his arm were hit by the backlight must be a hell of a big backlight on that vehicle....

@@lynettejoubert4291 yes there would be DNA, he was also allegedly holding a glass and the taillight was busted out. Both of those could lead to cuts on the arm

No way. His arm does not look like he was hit by a car. No way in he’ll would an arm react that way to being hit by a car moving so slowly.

Blackout drunk. She weighs 98 pounds. I’d be hammered if i had that many vodkas in that short of time and i weigh twice that.

That’s what I think too. I think she was subconsciously aware she hit him, even though she had no conscious awareness or memory b/c of the alcohol.

@@Dwntwnsuzibrwn why what’s the evidence he was hit by a car

@@Dwntwnsuzibrwn also - she called him many many many times before the accident so calling him after is consistent

These women are making stuff up

Objection - speculation. You don’t know.

@@Cochita322agree 💯 well said.

Seems to me she got on really well with the kids and John was jealous of that relationship

Thank you! I am like... uuuumm. Might be time for some therapy or .. moving along. Thank you!

Right!! This is not normal.

It’s end of relationship talk.

Yup. I have been. But there are no murdered exes in my history.

I know, right!! if you think it’s normal to call somebody 53 times in one night and say I effing hate you. You’re a loser. And say that that’s a normal relationship??? not in my book

Right! And after killing John she disappeared from their lives in 15 minutes and NEVER talked to them again! 🥸

If i were on her jury id listen to everything. I do t know the case but looking at this mess i think she did it cause its more plausible than the other version of the story.

Really ? Why are the feds involved? Why did they not go In the house to check ? Why did the cops throw out their phones ? Why did the ME just testify that his injuries can be from a fight ?

@@LatinaLatina1011 im so interested in this one day ill follow this story this seems crazy

Honestly I don’t know but I don’t think John cared! Probably would’ve been glad to get her off his jock!

Jennifer, after reading these texts, it’s even more apparent her 2 week text fling with Higgins was solely to make Mr. O’Keefe jealous.

I think Karen is actually flirting with her Lawyer-Jackson. And I don't like how arrogant they both act

Is that why The Feds hired a reconstruction expert ? The Feds don’t hire for guilty people ?? Who are you relying on ? Trooper Paul who knows nothing about physics ,?

Except John continued to ask her to join him. Mixed messages much? Always blame the woman eh?

She wasn’t rejected that night . Duh .. she has a great job . Makes alot of money . She doesn’t need JO

He didn’t want to be a single parent so he kept stringing her along. Doesn’t point to murder.

Agree

Did you even watch the commonwealth expert saying how the “crash” happened?! It makes no sense and doesn’t follow laws of physics . John’s injures don’t line up with being hit by a car and “projected 30 feet” like the commonwealth alleges.

Well said

@pinklady5795. You may be 100 percent correct. However, if she indeed has 9 drinksc that 100 pound little thing was ANNIHILATED. I’m guessing she doesn’t know for sure what happened. Who knows.

@vincedidiana5781 I thought that too early on, but she should have felt something or heard the beeping when she backed up, wouldn't you think? I have never watched a more confusing trial! Haha!

A lot of people are saying this, but 1. The boyfriend has been dead over 2 years. 2. She's on trial for her life. (So, there must be many conflicting emotions.) 3. Defense attorney's usually advise to show neutral emotions because some people will read "emotion" as crocodile tears, others will read no emotion as "not caring," and one simply can't win with whatever emotion they do/don't show. 4. Remember only one person literally did something, anything to try to save his life (even though it was too late.)

@ karenberg4903 I agree! She has no trouble being smug or smirking at other’s trials but I see nothing warm or heartfelt from her ever! Two years isn’t that long in a grieving process when you really loved someone imo.

How do you know she doesn’t cry before court ? After court ? Did you see her on the dash cam ? I didn’t see any of the people from the house crying ? Btw no emotions allowed on court . She would get reprimanded from the judge. Duh

It’s too bad you haven’t followed the trial

I agree.

@@eleanoraquitaine2966 I think she wanted to spend some alone time with him and didnt want to go the party but he chose to go anyway without her and she lost it.

No a narcissist Is JM who dragged her daughter into the situation. For Colin . Feds are watching they are allll going down

It is when she trusts them and their expertise. Smart clients don’t go against their good lawyers.

You never know… she comes across as she thinks she’s smarter/better than everyone else and we all remember Alex Murdaugh! I don’t think she’s stupid or narcissistic enough to take the stand but people can surprise you! It would be catastrophic!(imo)

@@JustLikeJulia9 exactly what I was thinking LOL Alec murdaugh.

@@JustLikeJulia9 agree. And she's vindictive IMO. I think she really wants to get up there but the lawyers know her angry side will probably become apparent. Although with all the support she seems to have behind her, maybe they will think she can take the stand and still appear likeable. I would love to see it!

@@stargazer7512 I’d love to see it too!!

Lies and manipulation… that’s her MO!

You just eating up everything these women are saying. Like it’s fact or something 😂😂😂

Yep! Total loss of control!!

Anyone can say things when they are angry. That means nothing

FIFTY THREE texts over how long? 30 minutes? An hour? FIFTY THREE! She was not trying to get ahold of him, she was hoping he was not dead and would answer. Because she damn well knew she hit him.

@@Whatnok Until it does. The old adage "hell hath no fury like a woman scorned". is so true in cases over decades. One of the oldest reasons for men being killed by their wife or girlfriend is anger and jealousy.

​@@Patricia-kz4rl women are killed by their spouses and partners more

I’ve heard about this text on her phone saying she didn’t ‘hit him that hard’… have you actually seen them or just heard of them? I’m dying!! That’s damning!

Yup and he retired also!

@@theresafeeney2756 Just watching now..there appears a break..looked to me when Dr Russell said she got dog bites in Canton..what if there is no report on the woman, that is why they said Chole was rehomed..this caused the break by Lally??

Did what?

@@Pippie807 Karen Read drunkenly ran over O Keefe. It's an open and shut case.

Agreed.

Unfortunately they couldn't prove it.🤷🏻‍♀️

Wait for the FBI experts. You obviously haven't watched the trial

I agree that she was OBSESSED with John! He was pulling away and it was killing her!!

Guilty girl. 😠😊

@@LadyLuck13 the ones who said there is insufficient information for them to conclude what happened?

John never adopted his niece & nephew, he was only their guardian.

Your wrong.

100% true, but I don’t think she intentionally hit him, but she definitely did.

I would love for an explanation as to how his body ended up where it did, because it wasn't from being hit by a car

@@steve10 it was from getting hit by a car. Ur welcome

@@bryanmurphy3035 NO , it was ruled undetermined, she couldn't say if it was a vehicle/pedestrian accident , she then said his head injuries are not consistent with a fight , doesnt mean a fight didn't happen and he walked outside and slipped and hit his head. I know you are desperate, but don't exaggerate what was said

@@bryanmurphy3035 we have more medical examiners tomorrow, she never said where all the cuts came from , she basically spoke about his head injury , which still wasn't proven either way. Tomorrow's examiner may explain the cuts are consistent from a fight , because they aren't from a car hitting him

Totally Agree!

I stopped watching. Don't know these women, but wow.

💯💯💯‼️‼️‼️‼️ exactly. If he wants to remain creditable he needs to never have these women in his show again. Their biased lack knowledge and are angry

What do you think those marks from?

Looks K-9 to me

Yup me too. They are annoying!🙄🙄🙄

So many of their guest commentators are clowns.

@@eleanoraquitaine2966 you're right about that.

RIIIIIIGGGGGHHHHTTTTT?!? Where do they find these people?!?