Unfortunately, when you are ignorant (which most of us are), information which seems to be of benefit when in fact it is intentionally meant to mis-lead.

Agreed

This is merely the intermediate unofficial preview. In Germany there is some controversy about that study and looks like we'll have to wait for the official results. They use antibody tests, the company claims it has specificity of 99%, however, no institution has verified it yet. In this time of crisis the company regulates itself, basically. My question there is: What can be said about the antibody tests? To what extend might they react to immunity against other coronaviruses that cause common colds?

I think that's down to this thing being around longer than most people think. There was something nasty going around here in the UK as early as November and December. The UK government delaying the lockdown SHOULD mean that we'll get herd immunity before anyone else. They've sacrificed lives in the beginning to protect MORE lives in the not-too-distant future. They've denied that they've had a herd immunity policy but it's pretty clear to anyone with any sense that they did indeed have this policy in place at the start and are continuing with it. As the good doctor has said the only way to beat a pandemic like this is with herd immunity, no matter which way you achieve it (getting people sick deliberately, delaying the sickness and/or via a vaccine).

I have alot of German descent in my blood . Interesting

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Agreed

theknob1 does so-called 'american employment law' not provide for health and safety regulations where the onus rests on the employer to ensure to a degree at least the safety of employees?

theknob1 but what about your families safety? Friends? We as people who care about others in our lives should feel responsible to protect them. Infection doesn’t work like violence; it easily spreads unseen in asymptomatics then can be caught by someone you love who reacts differently. Would you feel responsible for contributing to the spread that may kill your family or friends? It’s better for the community in a whole NOT to spread it so that the vulnerable have less of a chance of being exposed. The vulnerable rely on us most of the time anyways. Please keep your responsibility to protect the lives of fellow citizens. I care about you so I’m staying home.

In America and everywhere, people should be responsible for the consequences of their actions no matter whether their actions affect their own safety or the safety of others.

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Very well said.

pro tip : you can watch movies on Flixzone. I've been using them for watching a lot of movies during the lockdown.

@Sam Dustin definitely, been watching on Flixzone for since november myself :D

@Sam Dustin Definitely, I have been watching on Flixzone for since december myself =)

Absolutely correct.

@@DrBeenMedicalLectures There is a potentially faulty assumption there. You cannot definitively identify and isolate all the cases. We know that some people do not appear to ever show significant symptoms. If true, you have no hope of isolating everyone who has it. As it is right now, by in large the only people getting tested are people who are showing symptoms. People with the virus but with no (or mild) symptoms are not getting tested and therefore not included in any of our current data. I see this as a huge blind spot. We have no idea what the actual penetrance of this virus is in the population, and we won't know until there is wide spread antibody testing. If I could only get one piece of data, it would be that one because it has the potential to change everything we are doing. It is quite possible we are much further along the curve than we realize. This would also have a huge impact on the actual mortality and morbidity numbers, causing them to be much lower than first thought. Your data point that 14% of people require medical assistance may be actually be lower once ALL the cases are known. I guess we wont know until the dust settles, but it bothers me that this uncertainty in the data is completely ignored. We lose credibility when we make proclamations with certainty and then have to admit we were wrong later. We need to be more clear to the public about what we don't know and what assumptions we are making in the calculations and models. Another issue I am seeing is that many doctors are realizing that some people were being put on ventilators that perhaps shouldn't have been. Management practices are actively changing as we speak, with more conservative treatments like CPAP and hyperbaric O2 being used. Is it possible that the majority of the "young healthy" people who died fall into this perhaps iatrogenic group? And do we really understand the pathophysiology of this illness? We all understand old frail and sick people are vulnerable, but do we have a good explanation for how young people can range from completely asymptomatic to dying? This just feels like we don't fully understand what is going on. I have seen doctors' discussions on YT talking about seeing pulse oximeter readings that are truly frightening and indicate intubation, however the pt is in no acute distress and is talking and carrying on a casual conversation. They describe the clinical picture as being like high-altitude sickness rather than ARDS. Again, this tells me there is something going on here we don't fully understand, which always means we need to take a step back and question our assumptions.

@@ericwilliams5930 There have been a couple of serology studies one being from Stanford which studied 3500 people from Santa Clara which was a hotspot for the virus in California. Study here www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.14.20062463v1. I saw an interview with the Doctor who headed the test and he thought the study showed the mortality rate more in line with the flu maybe a little greater but nothing near what Dr. Fauci was throwing out that the mortality rate was 10 times that of the flu. Due to the latency of the disease it does make it more difficult to figure out the exact rate. But I absolutely agree that you can not make a determination without knowing how many people are infected or were infected. It really is guess work if you do not have the complete data. These models drive you crazy. The California test also only showed 3% of the population of Santa Clara had developed antibodies. That's a long long way from any type of herd immunity. Interestingly the doctor also said that that figure makes it impossible to do any real contact tracing. Another study from the Netherlands -which I have not found the actual study- took 10,000 random samples of donated blood and also found that 3% of the samples had covid9 antibodies present. Netherlands has 17 million people, that adds another 510,000 cases to the current number of infections which at this moment is only between 32 and 33,000 people. This would drastically bring the mortality rate of the virus down. I have only seen a couple of news articles on the study, and unfortunately, as with the Stanford study the only thing anyone seems to concentrate on is how many people have developed the antibodies and not how that number affects among other things the mortality rate of this disease. The doc who did the Stanford study has also completed or is near completing two other antibody studies. That will be made public in the next couple of weeks. Interestingly he said the cost of the studies were in the $200,000 range which is nothing compared to the money that is being thrown around at this moment. The United States can easily spend a couple of billion dollars on targeted serology testing throughout the country that would start to answer some of these vital questions and give us some real data that allows us to determine if shutting down the whole country is the right course and if the costs are worth it keeping in mind that there are also health hazards that come with shutting down an economy and not just the enormous economic impact on hundreds millions of people through out the world. But at least at long last some real data is being provided. When this all clears I am of the opinion that the folks who make all these wildly divergent models among others will have a lot of explaining to do.

Oh no. Terrible paradigm - tracking people in a free society? ... no thank you. That leads to Totalitarian rule.

I want to understand are the other ways like prophylaxis, flattening curve with LOCKDOWN, early symptoms quarantine and recover are these all measures to develop Herd immunity?

Thank you for your kind note. I think it's case to case that the ventilators may have unwanted side effects. I think doctors are also fearful of doing something else than the normal protocols. I think CPAP and BiPAP should be used as well.

Only 20% go back home after being tubed

That's a good idea. Will do tomorrow.

Drbeen Medical Lectures how do I access in order. Thank you. Enjoyed this lecture

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Please let me see your point of view I want her to feel more calm in the fact that she’s going to be fine

i am an ordinary citizen from india. Kindly clarify my understanding. I hereby confirm you that i will not take this medicines with out consulting my doctor except Vitamin C, vitamin D and Lecal-MZ (calcium, magnesium, zinc and vitamin D3 combination) which i am taking for the last 6 months for improving Immunity. Love to you from India.

You are welcome. I wanted to make sure that your question is answered as you asked - step by step. Hope it's useful.

Drbeen Medical Lectures it is doctor ! You are doing a great job ! Thank you !

type S is which one developed in China and has spead the world ,the milder ones strain. It has developed to A,B,C kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nNeioL1nutismWw.html

Yes

Sorry about that. We will talk again today.

So true

I think it's the availability of the test. Once available then the question will be the process to test.

I'd love you to cover those reports too.

@Haith This virus has been given gain of function HIV component

I will research.

I strongly believe in prophylaxis!

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A couple of simple low-cost and low-risk approaches worth studying are nebulized hypertonic saline: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4527977/ And sodium bicarbonate as an anti-inflammatory: www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/04/180425093745.htm Here is Edna Boone, speaking about surviving the 1918 Spanish flu. She credits her mother giving the whole family 1/2 tsp of baking soda every day as the reason they were the only family in town not to get sick (4:35). kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bdFiY7l3v8uwe40.html

Dr Been has suggested an acidic environment is best for the patient. Elsewhere, it has been suggested that sodium bicarbonate worsens the condition of patients experiencing diseases comprising symptoms similar to Covid19, particularly AMS (acute mountain sickness), HAPE (high altitude pulmonary edema) and HACE (like HAPE but cerebral manifestation). It’s an interesting topic, since many people tout seemingly innocuous dietary supplementation, would abstaining from ingesting either help or hurt? Vinegar has to be detoxified by your body after ingestion. And compromised organs are a hallmark of this disease.

@@kimberleeadams7731 can you cite some sources contraindicating NaHCO₃? I'd be interested in reading up.

This video report by The New York Times cuts right to the core of my original question: In the absence of randomized trials, how can doctors best collectively compile their observations to help improve outcomes? www.nytimes.com/2020/04/14/nyregion/new-york-coronavirus.html

I’m not a mountain climber but I found the altitude sickness comparisons interesting. You might find what you’re looking for by veering into that domain. As I understand it, the hypoxic body will work itself into acidosis in order to hyperventilate to get more oxygen. Wouldn’t it follow that trying to alkalize the body would be adding an additional burden?

Thank you

Christopher Ellis what do you mean by the “face hugger” stage ? If you don’t mind me asking?

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I haven't looked up these studies yet.

That can work. Yes.

Paul, this virus has almost certainly been making the rounds of the US and UK since Nov19 or earlier. If they had it there we had it here. I'm not sure where you are in AU but I'm down bottom of Victoria and this month was pretty much our last chance to produce Vit d from the sun (as UVB gets reflected by atmosphere at out latitude from May to Sep). The lockdown has not only destroyed our economy, making multiple businesses fold, increase depression suicide and domestic violence but has negatively affected our health and made us more vulnerable to serious illness due to stress and lower than normal vit d levels. Supplements simply can not do everything the sun can. Tasmania is going to be screwed. If you're from the top half of the country then you are worrying unnecessarily as the weather pattern 5-11°C that this virus thrives in will simply not hit you. Look to 'climate reanalyzer' monthly temperature weather patterns from 2018 & 2019. Or 'earth dot nullschool' to check out current weather. Recommended to select 1000 hPa to get better overview. I'm in an area that will be in that weather pattern from Jun-Sep20 and we want out. The big decisions are being made by Chicken Littles in Sydney and Canberra that will still be able to get UVB after April and are not even in the weather pattern. I just re-read your msg. You just meant stop entries. The govt will not open the airports for sometime - we're still having to beg for our basic liberties back.

@Heraldo This virus has been given an HIV gain of function

It's the enough number of people infected in a community that the infection stabilizes. Which means, one person only infects one more person. Technically it is (R0-1)/R0. To your second question. Eventual outgoing is that either the virus adapts to us and becomes harmless or we all become immune by vaccinating or contracting it. It may also end up to resurfaced every so often in various seasons.

@@DrBeenMedicalLectures And "stabilizes" means that the number of currently infected people on one day is practically the same as the number of currently infected people on the next day?

passive immunity acquired through exposure and as exposed you naturally develop an immunity .......Passive immunity herd immunity..

Absolutely correct.

Drbeen Medical Lectures is there any benefit in targeting specific interleukins? For example, there’s evidence that serum levels of pro inflammatory Interleukin-6 is lowered by taking fish oil, or is found to be lower in yoga practitioners. Do we know which interleukins are involved in this storm and can we target them with prophylaxis?

Are you sure? anecdotal data, untested, ignores the effect of long term prophylaxis on the immune system. as well as the fact that what we are doing is hardly prophylaxis , since we are increasing the number of people spending extended time in poorly ventilated, climate controlled indoor environments, while continuing to provide just enough randomly selected essential workers to keep the exposure going, while keeping those tight little boxes of poorly ventilated, climate controlled, environments on wheels running (public transportation) which not only can take them back home to infect their family, but is possibly the most efficient hub, to connect the largest number of people, from the most diverse number of locations, to extended exposure in the tightest confines of such favorable parameters to the virus to spread. (See New York City, Chicago, etc, as well as nursing homes, prisons, cruise ships, naval vessels etc) You get brownie points for agreeing with the professor, but in the real world. you get sick. not to mention , that if we know that the disease doubles every 3 days, we would certainly have 1,073,741,824 cases already worldwide. Also the real world, you cannot shut down society to an effective enough degree, for long enough, without creating upheaval in the food supply, and without devastating the majority of the population who will no longer have the means to make a living. not to mention that it is a logistic impossibility. I also would not hold your breath for a vaccine. there are 6 known corona viruses that can infect humans, some have been around for many decades to date, we have not found a vaccine for even the oldest: the common cold. You can however, practice the time proven strategy of isolating and quarantining the sick, and isolating those who we know have the most chance of fatality from the disease, (controlling 1 to 5 percent of the population is much more plausible than controlling the entire population). while the healthy 95% develop herd immunity.

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Tests can be false negative.

@@DrBeenMedicalLectures How long should I wait to get another

Thank you Doctor

Usually tests are done within 24 hours. You can get it anytime.

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Yes. However, I will point to South Korea that kept it under control even after the lockdown.

Agreed. Vaccine is also a way for the herd immunity.

@@DrBeenMedicalLectures the antibody test done in China found the antibodies in infected people were almost next to nothing in 30% of the cases. The body is reacting to this like a common cold.

Exactly, I see the swedish approah with disdain. Absolutely ridiculous because the fundamental assumption is long lasting immunity. A complete unknown at this point.

Interesting idea. I will not do it as it risks youngsters.

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No. Unless someone is immunosuppressed.

@@DrBeenMedicalLectures Thank you so much for all the videos you have been doing and for answering my question! My son is an emt in Queens, NY and has recently tested negative for antibodies. Apparently frontline healthcare workers are doing a good job with ppe. However, I came across an article about a study at Fudan University in Shanghai www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/what-do-antibody-tests-for-sars-cov-2-tell-us-about-immunity--67425 that found that in a small amount of recovered patients, antibodies were not detected. I was wondering what your thoughts would be on this. Also, as my son is blood type O, I wondered if anti-A antibodies could suppress the virus enough that there could be less virus specific antibodies produced that might now show up on tests. Thanks again for all you do!

Yes. Makes sense.

yeah, we are working on that medium.com/@wpegden/a-call-to-honesty-in-pandemic-modeling-5c156686a64b

Using infection must be done a controlled way (using inoculation in closed social systems) to avoid crashing the healthcare system. I would go for that. Knut is kind of right, but I think we would be better off controlling WHO gets infected. In this case children are the best to start. LOW RISK and they are society's DEPENDENTS.

Interesting thought.

Targeted approach? Isolate those who are most vunerable and arm the rest with prophilaxys to greatly lessen the impact from the virua .Rather than this draconian lockdown policy that we may stuck in a lockdown yoyo measures and if second wave come and theres not enough herd immunity in thepopulation with no readily vaccine we are screwed? Intersting though

@skip not gonna work because when they start that who is more at risk nonsense gets tricky.thats a setup.

@@peedot39 I can see that and I am in that group.

I don't think that will work in the USA. We can only advise the high risk group to observe isolation as much as possible. Other than that we have the same idea

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