One big thing I somehow forgot to mention is also the fact that exemplar can no longer share standby tokens!!!! Rip Padme and Anakin!
@kiryucpr4054 Жыл бұрын
but darktroopers can have 2 activations, balance
@Deadwarrior000 Жыл бұрын
@@kiryucpr4054 That is literally their design yes.
@kiryucpr4054 Жыл бұрын
@@Deadwarrior000 UN BALAN CE
@Jak0vas Жыл бұрын
@@kiryucpr4054 I am buying Dark Troopers, but I am not sold on their value yet, my fear is some Pierce and Impact will just shred them
@kiryucpr4054 Жыл бұрын
@@Jak0vas they have 12 hp for just 220 pts is a non sense xd i already play agains that in tts and they are unbalanced
@corabetts7582 Жыл бұрын
Something not mentioned with regards to the deflect changes is that while deflect was nerfed, lightsaber styles that included the deflect effect as part of it (I believe just Soresu and Djem-So masteries) still have the original version. So Anakin and Obi-Wan can still get the defensive surges in melee.
@battlereadygaming Жыл бұрын
I was going to say the same thing. Mainly Luke so far that seems hit hard cuz he didn't have a Lightsaber style.
@robertbush7530 Жыл бұрын
Yup, makes GAR more competitive
@BUChiAlpha Жыл бұрын
I'm glad to see everything organized. I find this rule book to be much clearer.
@ScooterinAB Жыл бұрын
Same. I had started making a proper rulebook and was going nuts looking for things that were buried in other keywords (like army composition). The game needs a proper rulebook like this.
@Skady1 Жыл бұрын
They could release a unit card pack with updated info on them at this point, because they changes so many things that the texts are almost useless. At least for players who not play regularry and can't memorize a book of rules. It was nice to check on the unit cards if I forgot something and don't need the reference. But that's just my opinion.
@ScooterinAB Жыл бұрын
What I'm disappointed with is the lack of an updated errata. With the changes to movement, there are units like AT-RTs that have incompatible text now. AMG Needs to release an errata update, even if it's just to say there's a v2.5 so that the documents are all operating on the same number (for clarity). But there are units that need to be addressed in light of all of this. I'm also disappointed by a seeming lack of exact measurements for the silhouette. Why? When you print the template page (it's nice that they separated that out), everyone is going to be printing it at slightly different scales. Casual players won't really care, but this does create an issue if everyone is using a different sized silhouette. At some point, exact numbers on this are going to be needed in addition to the printable ones.
@ryankyle24677 ай бұрын
So I did watch this around when it came out. But I clearly forgot about most of it, like the ridiculousness of “ruining immersion” because now you can’t shoot through a walker but we’re still going to ignore being able to shoot through a full group of troopers that would definitely be blocking line of sight for the one trooper or unit that is behind them! And that’s realistic!?! Lol But I just had a game this past Friday where a “new rule” came up and instead of arguing, I just said fine. And I wanted to check it out! I wonder if I left any comments the first time watching though!
@ninjatango6 ай бұрын
Yeah this aged like milk for sure. It's SO much better and more immersive now.
@TheDavidMoloney Жыл бұрын
I love when you drop videos like this, super helpful to get a cohesive overview from a person who is really into the game
@keithautio Жыл бұрын
Thanks Crabbok. The rulebook had a token with the Phoenix Squad icon on it. I imagine that the clarification of the force upgrade cards is because Phoenix Squad is going to be released with Hera as the leader :)
@shawnvaljean9260 Жыл бұрын
Personally, I find that the new silhouette rules are more immersive. We are looking at the game as static models, but in a 'real' battle, everything would be constantly moving. Just because you can see those stormtroopers behind the at-st doesn't mean that you could shoot them through is moving legs.
@elsimian3483 Жыл бұрын
Have to agree - it isn't immersion breaking when viewed like this; if anything the big walker bearing down on you means you aren't going to be that focused on some troops coming up behind it.
@olivergunson Жыл бұрын
Very much enjoyed this extra long video, will have to sit down and go through all the rules myself in detail. I'm not surprised that they nerfed GAR any more, they are the underdog faction and will always be from the looks of it
@joshuadempsey5281 Жыл бұрын
“Moff Gideon is the jelly” should be a T-shirt lol
@theoneleggedraven1940 Жыл бұрын
I'm still new to all this and just (pretty much) learned the OG rules with the updates and now I have to go back and update my fresh understanding with even more knowledge lol. Buckle up, Buttercup: THIS IS LEGION!!!
@AStrangeEvent Жыл бұрын
A lot of these changes seem like change for the sake of change and to make legion more like MCP. Some changes are good like dins amban, but a lot of changes open up more issues and ambiguity
@marlos199 Жыл бұрын
Love the jelly donut metaphor 😂
@Crabbok Жыл бұрын
Lol
@Fogel9392 Жыл бұрын
Great video! The force upgrade card has me thinking of Sith Inquistors Special Forces team
@kevinconnolly4686 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for condensing and explaining the rules!
@davidtrachtman3281 Жыл бұрын
It does say that ground vehicles will be considered as area terrain that provides heavy cover. What this means is that if a unit is obscured by the silhouette of the vehicle it gains heavy cover. So you can still see through them. Also "block LOS" is determined by each piece of terrain separately.
@Matthew8897 Жыл бұрын
Great stuff! The bit about the leader not being able to take wounds before other models is on page 31. There's also a little bit about targeted abilities and who choose the model to be removed
@SevinChurch Жыл бұрын
Silhouette sounds like how they do certain terrain features in MCP. Like the Quinn Jet, most minis can move underneath the wing. However if two opposing minis are on either side of it they can not get LoS. Because it is supposed to be a top down perspective.
@lanty693 Жыл бұрын
Nice video. I'm agreeing with most of your points. There are some changes to Keywords that dont seem to be thought through. Din and Empire Boba can no longer use their versatile gun whilst fighting in melee due to the changes to arsenal ; "When choosing weapons during the Choose Weapons and Gather Dice step, each miniature in the unit that has the Arsenal X keyword can choose up to X weapons to contribute to the attack pool. " You can no longer split the weapons into different attack pools. And other changes to keywords which don't seem necessary. Exemplar no longer allows for the sharing of Standby tokens, and the others you mentioned; Deflect in melee, Covert Ops, Fire Support. Overall, Its good that AMG have done this. One rules document is always preferred. But there are areas which still need tweaking IMO.
@josephmoberly2109 Жыл бұрын
This rule book was needed. We will see going forward what else changes, but overall mostly positive
@joshuataylor7213 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the highlights, gotta sit and read through this today and build a new list if needed for tomorrow night's game!
@victorgarciadominguez9156 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the summary sir!
@ryankyle24677 ай бұрын
39:11- Lol Breaks immersion!?! Ok
@tomwood_116 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for doing a video on this to give us a good overview. I'll have to dig through it all later
@spacemanERAU Жыл бұрын
I, for one, would love for them to make I hard copy of these similar to the Warhammer rules books with all of the amazing art, painting tips, lore, etc. I'd glady buy one
@Jason-pg7lz Жыл бұрын
We could see grogu as din's counterpart with force abilities with the Force Upgrade Card rule.
@brassdragon9806 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for all the help! just got into the game and the review definitely helps with relearning the rules!
@thatblastedsamophlange Жыл бұрын
The issue of the at-st being a immersion breaking cylinder, could be resolved by a new keyword, I guess.
@ScooterinAB Жыл бұрын
I'm a fan of how Warmachine did it. You still silhouettes based on the base size. Something like that immediately addresses these issues.
@ninjatango6 ай бұрын
Immersion is a meme word you don't understand, and the ATST is much more immersive now.
@JonatanGlader Жыл бұрын
The competition rule about not using "proxy cards" is such BS.. If they want people to use original cards, then they should be selling these with te correct, updated stats on them..
@donburton6925 Жыл бұрын
Nice report! Hoping for Paduwan in units and rebels disguised as stormtroopers!
@ryankyle24677 ай бұрын
38:04- Breaks immersion?!? Really!?! But shoot through a full squad of clones and maybe even a few squads of clones to hit Anakin Skywalker all the way behind everyone isn’t breaking immersion?!? Really? The immersion was broken almost immediately when the game first came out! I love the game, I just find it funny how people will pick and choose when something should and shouldn’t matter!?! Even though it contradicts what they’ve been saying from the get-go!
@petervonbleichert9688 Жыл бұрын
I suddenly want a jelly doughnut
@piotrskodowski7544 Жыл бұрын
You do not mentioned the LOS controversy?
@spacemanERAU Жыл бұрын
"Null courage" to me has always meant infinite courage so adding 1 does nothing...so as far as courage goes dark troopers should have no problem adding a imperial commander...however, being able to get what would be equivalent to adding a dark troopers by adding a imperial commander or commander tech sounds like that was not what they were intending
@micahmcclure5310 Жыл бұрын
At LVO this year the LOS and cover changes were a nightmare. Took so long for judges to determine cover or not. Even the LVO winner was frustrated. By far cover and LOS was the worst of the changes.
@War7123 Жыл бұрын
As a CIS player I don't know how I feel about this rules change. Other than notched vehicles silhouettes and grievous becoming even worse (somewhat?) these rules don't really affect me.
@wardogops Жыл бұрын
For sure it will impact the game but I’m choosing the light side. A bunch of things have been fixed for the better and the others I think will help the game. I’m not agreeing totally with all the los rules. But it’s great to see legion still thriving. Curious about grand army and skirmish. Overall the rules look and feel a lot cleaner.
@midnightdl Жыл бұрын
Still no clickable PDF? Argh, how hard can that be?
@MithrandirAv Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. Your breakdown helps us less experienced players understand the changes with this new rulebook.
@alanbyrne9972 Жыл бұрын
Hope the overhang thing doesnt hurt our club terrain. There's lots of spots where cohesion on elevation may not work now with the stuff we have if it's 100% base on rooftop
@ExileTwilight Жыл бұрын
It's not exactly an elegant solution, but you can always house rule it until you can update or exchange your terrain
@alanbyrne9972 Жыл бұрын
@@ExileTwilight I won't be doing that as it's all good quality scratchbuilt stuff that has served our community well. It's not a game-breaker anyhow, unless split level cohesion is gone?
@mackdyegames3035 Жыл бұрын
AA5 Speeder Truck is a Repulsor so you can still shoot under the AA5 Speeder Truck.
@Crabbok Жыл бұрын
Hover Ground - everyone still has to treat it as a ground vehicle, so they can't shoot under it.
@shaunkrogulski9619 Жыл бұрын
I like this rulebook overall. Many subtle changes that I am going to have relearn but I feel these changes will improve the health of the game and help get more people into the game.
@matthewrobertson6332 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for clearing up some of the smaller changes that I missed. I like that Legion is being updated, but some of the LOS rules are a little screwy. Not gonna change our casual games much tho.
@jamesminkler9926 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comprehensive review!
@PetersaberHD Жыл бұрын
Well I guess I'm not using Wookies without A-A5 anymore.
@garth2771 Жыл бұрын
This seems like so much to learn
@dexterd02 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the vid!!
@Ironbudha23 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the clarifications
@casonwatkins3781 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this summary video.
@ChillVibesXP Жыл бұрын
One I would like to join the giveaway hehehe but I also have a question I am reading the rules and on page 23 I slightly confused because it saids during a Recover action you remove ALL Submission FROM THE UNIT so instead of only taking one action when your suppressed and holding onto the extra suppression, if your one action is to recover which by the rules makes your submission 0, can you now take your 2 unit action? (It still result in one action but your until clears all suppression as now panic units skip and only lose x suppression = to yellow value) As I think you said if you gain a submission during your turn via duck and cover and become panic you have to skip
@Crabbok Жыл бұрын
You lose an action if you are still suppressed after your rally step. If you aren’t suppressed at that point, you still get your normal actions. Gaining extra suppression after that check won’t suddenly make you lose actions.
@therevanchist8508 Жыл бұрын
You are wrong on the Field Commander keyword. It still states that "A unit with the Field Commander keyword is not a [commander rank] and only counts as one for the purposes of issuing orders with a Command Card during the Command Phase. " So no cover ops with only a field commander
@lordtyman Жыл бұрын
I would like see a Jedi master and Apprentice team wear like maybe you know that you could bring either the Jedi Master or The Apprentice or you could have them both as either operatives or a commander that'd be really cool
@RevanBartus Жыл бұрын
Walkers should've separate rule for LoS.
@mikeince9784 Жыл бұрын
the unit that i have wanted since they announced the clone wars is the generic jedi and padawan, dont care if they are special forces or commander/operative with counterpart
@MCnecromorph Жыл бұрын
The trooper overhang fixes /nerfs fds with the if it sit it legal issue/flexibility choice it feels like they are stremlining their games to be very similar
@michaelcalabretta8158 Жыл бұрын
I’m mixed on the new changes. Some are good, some are ok, some just seem… odd. Although at the end of the day GAR got nerfed again. Not at all surprised as that is par for the course these days. Clones can’t catch a break.
@jacobcaylor6614 Жыл бұрын
Remember 1 thing: Moff Gideon is the jelly
@tylergraves9986 Жыл бұрын
I read an article saying the defender picks what part of the silhouette you draw line of sight from so they can make you draw line of sight from your base. Is that true?
@Jak0vas Жыл бұрын
I would not get hung up on version control for a document :D
@Jak0vas Жыл бұрын
Sounds like Vader got a buff vs other jedi with the deflect changes.
@Crabbok Жыл бұрын
Reliable gonna help him out for sure.
@ryankyle24677 ай бұрын
27:31- Are you talking about a enemy unit? I’m pretty sure you were never able to do that!?! You can correct me if I’m wrong but I’m pretty sure Infiltrate has always been “deploy anywhere on the board Beyond distance 3 of all enemy units!?! So how would you be able to deploy anywhere near a enemy unit, let alone actually touching that unit?!?
@kiryucpr4054 Жыл бұрын
with gunslinger still can do 2 fire supps cause are 2 attack pools
@Wh0isTh3D0ct0r Жыл бұрын
When will AMG learn? The problem with the Star Wars minis games is NOT the rules....it's all the BLOAT. There's just far too much content for new players to want to invest in the game, so when veteran players jump ship, there's no one to replace them. Creating brand new rules only fuels the problem.
@ScooterinAB Жыл бұрын
How so? Do you mean the fact that every new unit seems to get a wave of unique keywords that only matter for that unit (vs using existing rules where possible)?
@gazmatraz5248 Жыл бұрын
Bit off topic but does anyone know if the battle box set's are still for sale anywhere in the UK?
@warhammerHighElf Жыл бұрын
I will say, I am rather depressed that AMG banned 3rd party models in official tourneys :/
@ScooterinAB Жыл бұрын
Were you even allowed to to begin with?
@warhammerHighElf Жыл бұрын
@@ScooterinAB There was nothing specifically saying otherwise. Now they have officially put it into print :(
@adrianbailey7117 Жыл бұрын
Interesting rule book as you say says V2.5, but download file calls it 1.5
@PetersaberHD Жыл бұрын
shooting under repulsor vehicles was never allowed, though. The LOS-blocking AT-ST is a fix to a problem that didn't exist within the confines of existing rules
@Revjiggs Жыл бұрын
i said the same thing about the force upgrades except i said inquisitors
@treyhippensteal921 Жыл бұрын
19:10- *Laughs in Sabine Wren w/ Dark Saber*
@Crabbok Жыл бұрын
Oh she’s probably gonna get a nerf. Can’t have her being better than all the Jedi! Lol
@mrninjaxl1373 Жыл бұрын
Good stuff
@BUChiAlpha Жыл бұрын
Hmmm, jelly donuts.
@scottlloyd9762 Жыл бұрын
it feels like a newish game.
@azlanaddleman2448 Жыл бұрын
You explaining half of these rules made me realize how rules lawyery Pollution community, God. And I hate the word toxic but I think they truly went that direction and I see a lot of it in the Facebook groups and everywhere else. It’s just not a fun game to play. Hopefully, this rule change fixes a lot of that.
@smatta84 Жыл бұрын
Was waiting for this vid! Save me some reading plz…
@averylittle5706 Жыл бұрын
I don’t understand the new Silhouettes. Will the one I have still work for Small Bases? Follow up is someone working on a tool for the Notched ones?
@arnieszabo Жыл бұрын
neat
@susiduo3438 Жыл бұрын
Nice
@bardylon Жыл бұрын
Seems to be a lot of weird interpretations about LoS and vehicles (AT-ST), especially in the FB groups. People seem to be misreading rules or just completely misinterpreting what is actually written. I think a few forum rulings on dubiously worded examples aren’t helping matters either. Might be a good subject for a “how to” video.
@mackdyegames3035 Жыл бұрын
AMG has gone the way of Games Workshop in nerfing existing units rules so the new products will power creep the old units so people will buy the new models. The Deflect change is to allow the Dark Troopers to defeat force users more easily. That way everyone will buy Dark Troopers.