+pop opo NOTHING is better than storm crow.

+Zachary Cooper I concur

pop opo no because alex casts it not james

Swan Song gives the person who's spell was countered a 2/2 enchantment creature-bird with flying.

crow storm?

Hold up

Or they both could have an Omniscience

That’s what storm crow does

Justin Hillman 0:37

Justin Hillman but it was countered

1: Pact of Negation was countered. 2: Unsummon is an instant, so he could have Unsummoned in response to the trigger.

SuneEnough it almost surely wasn't countered; Alex would've countered something below it after the Pact, so that the trigger still happens. That's just how counterspell wars go, man :P

SuneEnough also couldn't be in response, because he said "untap, draw" before casting Unsummon.

He actually put two more cards on the table with force of will.

+Thu Collist Kid Or, you know. Daze. i.e. "counter unless controller pays 1."

He could have also paid 1 mana for Daze, the first counter.

Yes that is what i was implying ;p

It was countered for anyone else wondering why its upkeep cost wasn't paid

They broke the rule, though. OP cannot INB4.

waffacone Actually depending on targets it could've resolved. If the pact was fired at a counterspell A, force could counter the same spell counterspell A was targeting. Though that would just mean that people were counterspelling badly

Shethwind Actually, it's probably not terrible to let your opponent's pact resolve and just counter the original spell. I'd love to have just brought in a Counterflux and said "Screw this stack".

A counterflux would counter the pact. Also, what I'm saying is, when you decide to counter-war over a spell, you typically point all spells that can target the original spell, at the original spell. For reasons.

Think you're right. The only spells that resolved on Alex's turn were Storm Crow and Remand.

By the default targeting assumptions the spells which resolved would be all of Alex's counterspells and Storm Crow (by default you're targeting the object closest to the top of the stack). There is a way in which James' counters could have resolved, but it wasn't specified so you have to assume the default.

The stack. He didn't get the card back until after it resolved and could no longer be played.

CSDragon no I meant the turn after, also the way the stack works each thing resolves separately so he could recast it.

Vulture Oh you mean cuz he could have cast it in response to Alex's final FOW. I just assumed he was out of cards to pitch, since he ran out of counterspells last turn.

CSDragon He has the mana to just cast it normally.

He could have remanded something else... the target can be any spell on the stack.

P'shaw! LRR looks at your silly, arbitrary 'rules' and LAUGHS. Yes, that's right - they *laugh*. (and then they run around bottomless because "No rules means no pants!" ;) )

Jaded Empath They laugh and then Force of Will. :D

What is an inb5???

You are

They do exist! Somebody call David Attenborough and find a film crew! We're making a documentary.

I don't either. I don't gave that much disposable income.

Magic? Like David Blane?

powerdemon $50 could get you at least 3 decent decks.

Memory lapse your fow.

im pretty sure you wouldnt really be able to get enough mana to do that in a real game

wolfie the husky Alex is a wizard though. There's magic everywhere in this bitch

wolfie the husky I've seen a 20 point fireball, this aint much worse

It's only 9 mana on Alex's side (Negate, Counterspell, Remand, Storm Crow, Swan Song) and 3 on James's (Daze is free, Mana Leak, Spell Snare). Not actually that difficult

+IamYourSamich - Didn't it get countered??

Yeah, it got countered. The upkeep cost is a triggered ability. When Alex FoWed the Pact, the Pact never resolved and means that James doesn't have to pay the upkeep cost. That's why if, for example, Alex cast Storm Crow, James Pacted it, then Alex countered it with, say, Counterspell, James would be better off casting a second Pact targeting the Storm Crow, because if he countered the Counterspell, his original Pact would also resolve and he would have to pay 6UUUU in his next upkeep.

and to think, it's merely paper

Mike Geiger both the cards and the money

Rikadyn Cerise but plastic Canadian money...

... You call counterspells... The Resolution? :/

FORCE OF WILL

Twidgetron Nothing is better than Storm Crow... Except Charging Badger.

You forget... Mountain Goat

oh

+Jeremiah Smead apparently you're no true control player. Not countering a spell, should make you puke every time.

You get card ADVANTAGE by not countering. Just know that they used a spell that was entirely unnecessary

And technically James could have targeted his counterspells at storm crow itself.

The typical rule of thumb that I tend to follow is to assume the defending player is targeting all his counterspells on your creature, so you generally need to counter his spells rather than just play with targeting. That is unless they say "Counter your x" referring to my counterspells.

thrall898 But that's not the rule in tournaments. Unless a player specifically says so, counterspells are assumed to target the topmost spell in the stack (i.e. last spell cast). That's why it's important to be clear.

Actually, if its target went away, swan song would fizzle, as would pact, meaning it doesn't resolve and the cost isn't required.

I don't think you understand what I was saying. Using the default assumption that the target is the closest on the stack, the only necessary deviation to make pact resolve is for the first FoW to target spell snare (or basically any previous counterpell that isn't swan song or pact)

or lots of other things, but you know

Care to explain which comment you are responding to?

You can hear the extra card every time Alex casts Force of Will but not when James does. James must have hella mana.

The pact was countered.

James had a Force of Will. It got remanded.

They both have Reliquary Tower. No max hand size. :p

heyy13 Oh wow...

heyy13 Well, the storm crow resolved, so there was nothing meaningful left, I'm sure.

dat storm count doe

Its a magic meme. Mtg players like to make terrible cards like Tibalt seem like the best card ever

Pretty sure that on my resolutions, only one side casts Force of Will. The other keeps casting Hinder.

The Celestia Who's Imp? ;)

EternalDensity A character in the web serial Worm, who has the power to make people around her forget that she's there and what she's done. parahumans.wordpress.com/table-of-contents/

The Celestia Yes, that's the joke. I forgot who Imp is. Because she's Imp. It's fun to see the "Imp'd" lingo outside the usual places. (Also known as "Who" in the fanfic Alchemical Solutions, adding a second layer to the joke.)

EternalDensity I totally missed the winky face...I am ashamed.

Only if James cast it and not entirely since Alex could just Remand his own Storm Crow if he wanted to.

Good luck doing that without red mana.

Msoulwing We don't know that there was no Volcanic Islands or Steam Vents floating around.

Ffuuuuuuuuuuuuuyuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuüüüuuuuuorce of will

it isnt, it's a joke, because it is so plain simple of a card, also it was the go card to exile to pay Force of Will

Because it has Storm in its name, and is thus integral to Cam's "always force storm" strategy.

I now hate myself for not knowing this

didnt resolve... Dingus roc

In response, due to vedalkin orrery, flash in hive mind and pay 5. You 2 already missed the trigger and nobody else at the table is in blue, which is partially why they are not currently part of the game right now.

As does casting a Swan Song to get a 1/2 flyer in play. I'm pretty sure the actual cards are secondary to the battle of wills going on here.

ArmadilloAl Do you know how good storm crow is? I don't think you understand it's true power.

overload counterflux...