Full flaps? And then he should have been ready to dump them on touch down.

"Remember everyone, going around is never an option"-the pilot probably

Don't use full flaps in high or gusty winds.

This is at Oshkosh. He's been given the instructions to land "on the orange dot" (which you can see reflected on the underside of the wings... Which just means this pilot's under a lot of stress; he doesn't have "the whole runway" and if he does the Go-Around, he has to go back to the beginning of the "Fisk Arrival" and do the whole approach again.

Took the left aileron out when he got on the ground... gotta fly it to the hanger.

1. make sure your not landing in conditions above max demonstrated cross wind component. 2. I used to use less flaps in gusty conditions, some times doing a flapless landing.

He needed a lot more ailerons into the wind along with a side slip

Must have been a not sinking fast enough feeling ;)

I like no flaps faster landing during gusty conditions Also gradually increase aileron input towards wind as slowing down to avoid being blown out of runway .. But it's just theory, every situation is different so : Every landing when you can go out without help is a good landing 👍

I tried landing during a cross country once, The wind blew me thirty feet back into the air and I had to power up again and do a go-around. Not to let that happen to me again, with high winds, I put 2 notches of flaps in and powered to the ground at a steeper angle and forced the airplane to the ground under power instead of gliding in.

he should have had 0 flap

In crosswind, wouldn't the rudder be used more?🐀

Flaps need to be about half that if any

Add full power and live to land another day!!!!! 😎 I know it happened to me..😲 I took off flew the pattern, calmed down and landed and called it a day. Don't panic remember your training and live to fly another day! 😎👍

No flaps, hold it above the runway as it bleeds speed, until it completely stops flying. Hence, it must transition from an airplane into a heavy object with three wheels before touching down. Hold it off until it drops down firmly from a height of about 1 foot above the runway.

Retract flaps.

While he should of gone around, he was under extreme pressure to land since Oshkosh is super busy. No or less flaps most likely would of been better. But that day was super gusty.

Better not to use flaps in such cross winds. Why? Because you don't want to reduce aileron authority or increase wing area.

It’s a 180. Keep full flaps and trim it forward. Should never have been trying to 3 point in wind like that. Carry lots of power in to touchdown and stick it on left main with lots of Aileron input needed to keep that wing down. Do not dump the flaps on that airplane until you are completely slowed. The left turning tendency from dumping them aggressively can catch you off guard. Don’t be afraid to pin it hard on touchdown. Commit to the landing or commit to the go around. This guy committed to nothing and in that airplane it will bite you hard if you don’t commit

He needs to attach training wheels on the wing tips.

If students are watching you need to point out the big issue is loss of airspeed. In rough conditions keep your speed up and cut through the crap. My instructors words many years ago. Ive never forgotten them. He's all over the place with pitch control here which has caused the wing to stop flying before its on the ground and under control.

Come in 5kts hot for control authority. Get those flaps up. Dig in your left aileron an work that rudder more make sure to do a wheel landing with your hand always on your throttle to get yourself out of trouble.

He wasn't battling a cross-wind! More like a head-wind.

Throttleback man, throttle back.

nice older 182, hopefully the plane wasn't damaged too badly.

Dive at the runway at max landing speed. No flaps. That's how they do it in high winds in Hawaii.

Glad your safe

One of the most important things, my flight instructor taught me was to make sure you killed the lift, even when taxiing back to the hanger, but using the flight controls, especially the ailerons to spoil the lift on one side of the airplane and increase lift on the other side of the airplane

He is fighting the flaps. No flaps for crosswind landings and my instructor used to yell "keep that into wind wing down". He was right, even when taxiing.

Should have left the flaps off in that kind of wind. And very little aileron application into the wind if any. Full aileron deflection into the wind towards the end of the rollout probably would have saved it?

No flaps ..wheel landing is the answer. No crabbing. Dip that wing into the wind . Use rudder to keep noise on center line. Increase approach speech and cram the wheel onto the ground on side of crossing and build it there More like a carrier landing. Hold that yolk all the way forward and aleron into wind until other wheel settles in runway. Then tailwheel settles down. Keep flying the plane to tie down .

And he managed to set the right tire on fire!!

Amazing how many people understood flaps were a big part of the problem

Everybody has advice.. left aileron, more right rudder, flaps, no flaps.. how about request (insist) on the other runway that’s into the wind?! As PIC, you can have it!

The problem is that it's too windy to fly..

I never saw any left aileron inputs that would of needed to be increasingly put in as they slowed down, pretty light on the rudder, both of which can be tough for experienced pilots, and especially arm chair pilots.😉

Minimal flaps and more rudder use, he hardly used the rudder at all which can lead to a ground loop; as we saw here.

He didn't use aileron into the wind when he landed. Should have used full left aileron.

He quit flying the airplane when he landed look at his left aileron, he failed to keep the wing down. Also, he didn't have a throttle completely closed

That’s a ground loop... Flaps should be up in the attempt and a go around here was necessary. Thankfully the damage should be minimal.

This is a prime example of why tail draggers are going extinct. The design makes crosswind landing extremely dangerous

That’s why ALL landings should be “wheel” landings! Period!

Pick up the flaps

I was going to mention flaps, but they are literally the first comment...My other concern is why he chose a crosswind runway.

They should make little ball rollers on the wingtips to prevent damage.

Thanks for using my clip! Was a fun one at OSH ‘22

His corrections in the video show he shouldn’t have been flying that airplane in those conditions

Full flaps in Gusty xwind conditions is CRAZY

By the video, I'd say he did great to put the plane on the ground but failed to dip the wing into the wind on the rollout!

Best decision is a Go Around

I don’t see any crosswind correction on the aileron not to mention the left wing comes up as soon as you see the left aileron go down

If you float during landing, it means that you were too fast on final. It’s no more complicated than that.

Some pilots were foolishly trained that flaps are used on every landing. Out of habit, they put in flaps. My own personal rule in my 172 was no flaps over 20kts.

The trick for this if it ever happens to you is to DUMP THE FLAPS ! That’ll drop the plane and you’ll stick the landing. I did this on one of my first solos when the wind picked up w route. I’ve used it ever since in gusting winds down the runway.

If you look closely he just gave an almost full right aileron for half a second which the aircraft responded to and rolled right. It was useless for him to correct that afterwards with full left aileron. Just look closer for that split moment when he wrongly gave that input.

That’s a good demonstration of what crosswind means, and the fact that airplanes are designed to fly, and they will fly no matter what

86 the flaps man! Its not standard procedure but its always the first thing i do when I touch down on both wheels and floats.

My grandfather died in a beachfront 23 in 2011 a bird ran in to the propeller and cost him his life

The crosswind landing of Kurt Russell and Maria Schriever at Catalina is a must see.

The never-ending glide slope… even on touchdown.

Ok I’m now convinced this guy has no idea what he’s talking about. The maximum crosswind component for that type of plane can’t be much more than 15kts, and at that amount you’d run out of rudder to counteract the weathervane-ing. The guy in the video is using so little rudder you can’t see it move when it should be at the stops in a “30kt” direct crosswind. That’s why he ground looped by the way, no rudder use. You don’t need wind to ground loop

Dude was scared and frozen. Almost no control deflection after the wheels touched. Drop the flaps and keep flying even if you're on the ground.

I fly a Cessna 170B tailwheel and it looks like the pilot did not keep his crosswind correction (ailerons and rudder) until stopped.

well I'd be happier with that gouge in the wingtip than losing my life bc i couldn't get it on the ground 😅

That was Oshkosh Airventure a couple of years ago. The pilot had the option of an upwind/crosswind runway, all he had to do was ask.

Back in my day these sort of accidents didn't happen because we had pilots that actually knew how to fly. Stay on the simulators and save us the regulations

Use no little flap. Put your up wind wing down, using cross control. It doesn't help to point your nose into the wind.

I would use no flaps and perform a wheel landing, NOT a full stall landing. Been there, done that many times during strong crosswinds.

I witnessed this one. He should have gone around and tried again. Once he ballooned and tried to recover instead of going around you knew it was going to be exciting to watch the result. Hate that it happened but at least the damage wasn’t as bad as it could have been. Later a bird dog went into the ditch and didn’t fair as well. There is no shame in going around.

Should have been a go around as soon as that balloon happened. This is a prime example of trying to salvage a bad landing

He stopped flying it once it was on the ground. Look at the controls. No aileron into the wind. Elevator neuteral and rudder straight. The pilot was a passenger.

Ouch , Expensive Landing (Being an Official Woose), I only fly in perfect weather for this reason. Not a problem here in CenTex...

That’s how you cook a landing. Plus, never full flaps in high winds.

The windsock was straight out as morning wood so I doubt the 70°-90° x-wnd factor. He'd be all over the grounds like Benny Hill given the small amount of control surface movements I could make out. The plane never fully quit flying till it ground looped(nice plane - ouch). I say that because the tailwheel is barely touching the ground and then it was lifted, bounced twice off of the ground either due to brakes or, down elevator being applied instead of up elevator, then he totally forgot about left aileron and there goes the right wingtip and possibly even more expensive damage to the right wheel rim and pant; behind the airplane all the way. He had it on the mains all he needed to do was get the tail up to press them into the runway and roll in left aileron till you can't hold the tail up any longer. When the wind is this strong you need to be constantly aware of the wind's direction to you and move the controls as needed even when taxiing, right to tiedown. Tricycle gear aren't totally immune either when the wind is blowing hard and gusty.

Should have called a go around early. Never force a bad landing.

He fought it hard enough to set the right brake on fire!

Well he should have been turning into the wind, countering with Rudder. So the aileron on the upwind wing keeps that wing down, and the wind doesn't get under it.

This was at OSH. He may have been told to keep it airborne until the red dot. Personally I would have done a no flap 1 wheel landing, but my opinion is worth what you paid for it .

It’s a tail dragger….those that haven’t flown a tail dragger need not comment because you don’t know what you’re talking about. A tricycle gear airplane is inherently stable and easy to land. But a landing in a taildragger requires a lot of practice to perfect. In a Taildragger the C of G is behind the main wheels making it inherently unstable directionally. In any type of left/right nose movement on the ground the tail wants to overtake the nose. The airplane wants to ground loop, the only thing stopping it is the pilot. Once a directional swing starts it will continue unless aggressively arrested with opposite rudder. In this landing as soon as the nose began to swing the pilot needed to stop it by aggressively applying opposite rudder to stop the swing, immediately followed by an aggressive but smooth application of rudder back in the other direction to stabilize. When taking off or landing a tail dragger in gusty conditions the rudders never stop moving.

That’s like max crosswind I believe

400 comments and half about flaps. It isn't about the flaps, it's about letting the wing come back up and directional control.

That could happen to anyone … but 27 knots probably exceeds the cross wind component for that AC.

In that scenario. And the crosswind component. I would’ve picked another airport.

After landing? No, he crashed during landing 😂

Is this the “be terrified of flying” channel?

My sons flight school had this happen to one of their airplanes on a first solo. Totaled the airplane. It got the landing gear torn off and a lot more damage when it slid off the runway. My son is bothered by it because it was their best 172 which he liked to fly.

Good landing..now get some ballast for the next flight

in the tailwheels there are two types of people, there are those to whom it has already happened and your those to whom it will happen

This was at Oshkosh where you keep it airborne down the runway till you get to your colored dot. Pretty sure he was intentionally floating it till he got to that red dot.

He should have known his aircraft’s crosswind component rating

Problem was not so much the wind it was the flaps. And if you noticed not much rudder control going there…. Sad. Damaged a nice C-180

Trade it in for a 182 with "Land-O-Matic" tricycle gear.

I landed in 30mph crosswind as student in a cessna 150

He was told by the tower to land on the orange circle, looked pretty good with everything going on. It’s done a lot coming in to Oshkosh.

Needs rudder training. Bank into the wind. Do a wheel landing. Forward wheel to keep weight on the mains.

Mike Patey's Draco lost on takeoff to high crosswinds, but he did have some curved wingtip levers that may of aided in this crafts fate.

My all time favorite crosswind landing (attempt) was the Lufthansa wing strike from several years ago. If you haven't seen it it's worth a look (KZfaq). The crew did some amazing flying on that landing.

I would have just flown to somewhere less windy

I never use an aircraft when i fly. My arms are just fine. Crosswinds are a problem for me at times but usually never.

I used to fly a C-180 ....u didn't stop flying until it was chocked 😂