I still just think it was a super sadistic multi-street slowroll. One of the absolute most brutal hands we may ever see.

Absolutely brutal to watch this live. I can't imagine being in Doug's position. -_-

Lol by seeing each other cards Doug and Wesley helped Tom get richer 😂😂😂

Durrrr can try to justify it by saying there were tough decisions for big money, but I think he was just torturing Doug for all of those videos about Dwan owing money and ducking people. Let him squirm and then roll over a hand you were never folding. Edit: someone else called it a "revenge roll." I agree with that description.

Imagine multiple players playing gigantic pots against Tom dwan and giving him free information

Tom waited for this moment for so much longer than six minutes

I was watching this live and saying, “it’s not between ‘call’ and ‘fold’, it’s between ‘call’ and ‘raise”. I understand why Polk is annoyed because when someone tanks for that long, you expect there is a chance they fold a certain percent of the time, when in actuality there’s zero chance they’re folding. But I see why Tom took that long because it is close between calling and raising considering how deep they are playing and how polarizing Polk’s river bet is.

BTW not sure why people keep saying "he was never thinking of folding" in the comments. Of course he was never thinking of folding which is why I never even brought up that possibility.

Thank you Bart. I hope you are going to analyze the Wesley vs Dwan 3.1 mill hand also. I really want to see your analysis on that! Thank you again!

It's just INSANE to show your cards -- most especially at these kind of nosebleed stakes. These are CHARACTER-BENDING stakes -- unless you're a billionaire. And Bart is right about the practical money issues, too.

Doug took that really well. I would have flipped the table if someone made me sit for six minutes to only call my bluff with the second nuts.

Every bone in his body wanted to raise river, but couldn’t find a worst hand that called.

Btw Bart, did you hear after the 3.1mil hand that Dwan referenced the timing of Wesleys river shove, and it seemed to be a significant factor that Tom thought Wes was bluffing. I didn't even pay attention to it in the hand cause I was going crazy, but I watched it again after Dwan said that, and he was right on, Wes really took his time on the flop and turn, then nearly snap shoved the river... its funny cause Dwans ranging of Wesley in that hand I thought was way way off, he was worried about Wes 5betting pre flop with an 8 which I thought was a 0% chance, just like how in this hand he made the incorrect comment about 76s, so his application of hand reading at the table seems kind of lacking, however his live reads are a level above and he seems way more invested in those than anything else. Idk, crazy to watch him navigate, very unique player, wish we could hear his thoughts

Excellent analysis as always. Thanks Bart. I think Durr was genuinely contemplating the push.

It's stunning to me that both live and in this analysis there is a massive misunderstanding of Dwan's move here. There is never a point where Dwan is thinking of anything but how to max value this hand. His turn tank is directly to get Doug to spazz the river, which he does. This is Dwan getting into Dougs head and he does.

Def felt like a nit roll watching it live

I also heard how durrr took some offense to what Polk had said about him in one of his videos. I could definitely see it as a needle on dwan’s part, for sure.

The irony of Wes and Doug seeing each others hands in two of three of the biggest pots ever in HCL, and on the same evening, is just unreal

I jokingly called out in the chat what a nit roll but I realized on the river that Tom really was thinking: “Can I jam and get called by worse. I don’t know if Tom was able to do the correct hand reading and see if 76s was possible but I guess he trying to figure out hands other than deuces full. If work out all the possible combos and throw in one combo of pocket kings it is really close. You beat 4 value combos in 3 combos of 2’s and 1 combos of K6s. And then lose to KK and 66. And I think Doug is a good enough player to get away from 22 and K6 here.

Doug polk is such a class act. I've watched this hand 15 times and im still blown away of he's inner peace

I think tom uses the passage of time to help determine the strength of doug's hand. Genius. Doug looks uncomfortable. Calls clock.

It's hilarious cuz the whole table prob thought Dwan was tanking river cuz he could fold but whole time he's just thinking about shoving😂

I agree with Bart that the amount of money available definitely factors into these decisions. Even in my 25-50 or 50-100 NLH or PLO games, I sometimes only had 1 good bullet and would never shove on a big bet on the river without the nuts. Middle Boats, Face card flushes, and others would automatically become calls when facing bets on the river because I wanted to stay in the game. But I'm pretty sure that Tom knew what he was going to do long before clock was called. He was inflicting max pain on Doug and that makes sense if you consider some of Doug's videos about Tom (that are later referenced in the stream - Jungleman debt, etc.). This was a brutal slow roll, even beyond nit roll. Tom doesn't even flip over his cards as soon as Doug says, "You win." This was not a tough decision that required a deep tank.

A slight nitroll. I believe dwan said he had to decide to rip it or just flat. I cant blame him tho. Thats a ton of money

I am inclined to believe that is revenge. If you spend a total of 10 minutes on your turn and river decisions, and then don’t immediately know the number of available hands you are playing against, it means you were never thinking about them. Dwan was playing to punish Doug, however poker does allow for that. Unless there is a time limit on decisions at all times, punishing people you dislike by slowrolling, nitrolling etc is an option. I don’t suggest it’s a nice option, but it is always there. The phrase is Revenge is a dish which people of taste prefer to eat cold.

The fact that he didn't know the combos tells me it was a slow roll. That's pretty basic stuff. He was twisting the knife imo

8:11 to clarify tom said hes never had the clock called on him this deep _on the turn_ and _by a pro._ And he kind of tanks on the river out of spite to make sure he weighs every little detail to make the absolute best decision afterwards. Like bc of the turn clock call (which he says a pro should never do) he’s going to ignore all etiquette and make sure he extracts max value

Toms not tanking to think…he’s tanking to teach Doug a lesson, max pain! It worked

river tank seems like a pretty clear response to having the clock called on the turn.

there is no way Polk's turn raise is theoretically sound

Dwan didn’t even realize 67s wasn’t possible. He also said that Doug isn’t balanced. Doug never flats KK (he confirmed this) here, so he spends 6 min in the tank when he only loses to quad 6s. I get the single bullet thing but if Doug has quads so be it. I would also think this creates a green light to bluff Dwan the remainder of the night for those that can rebuy.

Dwan has already made more then garret did his whole career on HCL. 1 night.

I like your hand KK? no 66? no 54 sooted? yes, makes sense

Tom Dwan is a master.

“I don’t know what he was actually thinking about there” …Vegas and The Mirage

I think we don’t understand where Tom is coming from. After all, he is probably the only one playing this kind of high stakes for past 20 years and seen so many antiques and has so much experience. He is taking it all in before making a decision. It’s easy when a recreational player does this type of play like dumping so much BB as bluff on river or calls clock on Turn but when a poker pro like Doug doing it then it’s different. You’ve got to take all options into consideration.

Analytical deductive powers of durr dissecting doug polks game like aVulcan playing 3D chess.

Dwan made sure that Polk keeps scratching his head in all his videos going forward!😂😂

I wonder if Dwan used the fact Wesley hid his face here for bluff for later his QQ. Cuz that was a tough call.

Both the big hands that Tom won, these 2 guys saw each other's hands

Durrr is great, not a nit. It's a million dollar decision whether to go all-in or not. He was never folding 7-7 obv.

Honestly, I think, this was a well disguised slow roll! We know they don’t like each other! And, the way he did this to Polk waaaas LEGENDARY! Honestly, I think that’s what it was! He’s not raising, I’m sure he had it set in his mind on the turn what he was doing on the turn and river! He’s one of the best at his craft for a long long time to tank that long on a river he’s not raising! That was a LEGENDARY hidden “FU 🖕🏼” to Doug! Well done DWAN! Well done, indeed👏👏👏👏👏

I don't think we have to think about Polk lending money to Dawn.

"2 combos of quad 6s"😂

The bullet question certainly comes into play. They are both good enough to know the odds and play this hand through, but the added bit of information because Wesley saw the cards does come into play. Great review.

the analysis to be done on whether to call or raise is < 1 minute given how few value hands there are. It is possible that because of the huge criticism Dwan received from Polk that Tom was v nervous in this hand ... he looked v uncomfortable, hence the huge nitroll.

been watching old high stakes poker on poker go. dwan has always done this hasn’t he? they call him durr for a reason. he’s always thinking, taking a long time on every decision. it may be shitty to play against but i don’t think he’s deliberately wasting time and this pot was enormous

Comeon man he is obviously never folding. He was thinking shove or call. And it didn't matter. 😂

Was nobody watching ? He wasnt tanking a call he was tanking a jam or not . Ive been in this spot many many times before where im tanking if i should rejam or allin of just flat calling here. He even said it was a definate call . Easy call for him. He wasnt so sure if he should jam or not

He is 1000bb deep, it is a really close decision to shove or call.

It's called a slowroll gentleman. He was never folding, he was putting Doug Polk thru the blender for trying to bluff and then calling clock to try and get a fold in a $400k+ pot as it grew (he called clock turn after 3 min.) So nah bruh y'all gotta chill, durr owned Doug and even made him show by just flatting cause nothing worse calls there ☠️

This review was F*****g awesome !!! That's it ‼ thanks a lot ‼‼‼💖

I completely understand Dawns tanking and overall how he played the hand. Very good breakdown Bart.

Mind-boggling hand. It the beginning I thought Dwan was acting but then... Tom Dwan not only took Doug Polk chips but he also took our time.

At around 13:45 into the video, Bart started to sound like Vizzini from The Princess Bride. “Surely, I cannot choose the cup in front of me.” “You fell victim to one of the classic blunders - the most famous of which is, “Never get involved in a land war in Asia” - but only slightly less well-known is this: “Never go against a Sicilian when death is on the line”! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!”

Pretty sure this is a combination of things. The fact Doug has dogged Dwan for years is the number 1 reason, the fact he called clock added to it, and a little bit was Tom trying to decide to actually call or shove. It was funny watching this, the guys at the table consider themselves high rollers, but Dwan is on an entirely different level, and these amounts don't phase him that much.

I disagree... I think given Durr's background (pre-solver generation, online wizard to THE star of HSP, to playing nosebleeds with filthy rich Chinse businessmen in Macau...), he approaches poker a lot more psychological than GTO/math. Poker has evolved to be more mathematical than feelings and ego, but it shouldn't mean reads aren't a thing anymore. Look back at some of the biggest plays he made on HSP, did he block value? Not really. QT vs AA vs 42? He knew Peter had trips and would fold. The 72 bluff on his heads up challenge? It was just a pure gut feeling that his opponent had him on a monster and would fold. Even here he spent the majority of his tank wondering what Wesley's comment meant about Doug's hand. It's kind of crazy to note that one of the most idolized players ever spent 10mins in the hand and couldn't figure out 76s was impossible, BUT maybe to him it genuinely wasn't that important. Yes 76/K6 *should* be suited, but does it have to be? Doug was playing 40%+ vpip that night. What says Doug can't ever show up with off suit combos? But even then, how often are you getting value vs. running into the stones? In the 3.1M hand against Wesley later he also suspected trips way more than AA/KK. It's a 5bet pot and Durr just insisted QQ was best pre. Later this was proven right as Wesley showed up with A7s (note, A7s, not A5s, not GTO approved) in a 5bet pot against Hank. So I do believe it that maybe in Dwan's mind assigning solver ranges wasn't as important as the human aspects of the game. He also expained that he was waiting for the clock call since he thought Doug would never call clock with a value hand that throws up at a shove (trip 6s). This is something that solvers would never consider, but Durr having played live nosebleeds for 15yrs would. Yes it's sort of ridiculous at first sight how this hand went down, but I don't think this was a slowroll.

i think i completely agree with the how many bullets they have in this game, doug not calling the ajs hand later with aa is in a very similar situation.

Gotta respect Doug tilt control

He said he was contemplating a shove. Decisions with 1500 plus big blinds are different than a couple hundred BBs.

Could Tom have thought that Doug had pocket 2's in this case? Which would justify the tank on the river whether to all in or just call.

Why does 66 with a diamond call. Why would he call with blockers to the diamond draw? Can someone explain that to me? Thanks.

I just don't believe dwan was thinking about folding here. Could Polk be betting like this with 22 or even just a 6? If so, shoving makes sense, so hard for Polk to fold. Dwan is right it's close.

Doug brought it on himself imo

Dwan even said he was deciding whether to call or raise. Not a nitroll.

If someone says “I’m never folding” in Dwans spot on the River is it binding?

Dwan contemplating a river shove and if he could get called with less vs Doug having KK

Good video, Bart, but I wish you could have lowered the volume of the game video while you were talking so we could hear you clearly. It was quite distracting.

Polk is never calling that river shove with worse.

That’s how you handle loudmouths like doug .. well done Tom!

12:27 How can you have two combos of quad 6s? I must be missing something.

Tom thought Polk had Pocket kings or Quad 6s......

2 combos of pocket 6s? Huh?

This is a really sophisticated breakdown.

This was a fold on the flop.

@8:08 Dwan said later he only had the clock called on him on the Turn one other time by a fellow pro player

Tom thought DP called the clock too quick, I ABSOLUTELY disagree, altho I never played a $1MM pot before

At a live game Polk's behavior would also be concerning to me. On the turn when he had outs with 3 and 8 he was way more confident and even called a clock on Dwan. When betting the river, though, he suddenly froze for 5 minutes and didn't even move. Also, his head was twisted away from Dwan strangely - I know it could be acting but it would definitely influence my decision.

When you play enough poker online and you get constantly hammered with Kk or 66 in this positions, it leaves scars. Only amateurs and rec player can say this is "always a shove".

And ole Doug just acts like, oh well, deal em up! Great atitude.

Love Polk, but I don't think it was a NIT call(s). Know did Dwan wait almost 6 mins on river & claim he was thinking about raising - no. But hard to tell....money changes the game.

They are a million dollars deep and he’s trying to figure out how to get all the money. I think there is a real decision on whether to 3b or call the turn raise

with KK you would have reraised the flop seen 2 diamonds, you also might reraise with 22 as well. This was the key to read at the end.

2 combos of quad 6’s?

It was raise or call. Folding was never an option

"I think that was a turbo hand." -Adrian Attenborough

Pretty loose flop call with 54, but he actually does have a ton of straight outs because of connectivity with the 2 and the 7. Same chance of hitting a straight as 89 does

I foresee a Dwan vs Polk high stakes HU match in the near future…

How much time would he get online?

even if dwan is capable of making a big fold. anybody that has been seing durr play knows hes never folding there, come on now

imagine if the clock wasn't called he would've taken half an hour

Doug Polk: Don't fold sets

Tom was right.😮

I agree! Even when watching Doug's video, I didn't undeserved what took Tom so long!

Obviously a revenge slowroll disguised as a nitroll. All that was left to be said by Tom afterward was What was it that u said about me in ur vidoes Dougie? Lol. Tom even asked Doug Are u gonna call the clock on me again? Love it. As soon as Doug called the clock the 2nd time, Tom acted on the hand. Obvious revenge. Fair play Tom!

Tom is the 🐐

I thought he was tanking bc he was gonna FOLD SEEMS CRAZY BUT his reaction was crazy

Yes, especially when you're playing 1,000 big blind deep. In this type of game there should be no clock calling but since there is it should be 3-5 minutes to decide and a 2 min extension Countdown if someone calls the clock not 1 minute because playing the biggest game ever with lots of money. In a 1-3 or 2-5 game there should always be a clock because you're playing for chump change, no reason to take 5-10 minutes to make a decision.

No reason to rush when there is a possibility of losing six figures take as much time that you need tom. 10-15 minutes max time

According to the solver Durrrr played it almost perfect.