CRAZY Conclusion! Limping Jeep RUBICON

CRAZY Conclusion! Limping Jeep RUBICON - Part 3 (P0390, P0394)

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7 ай бұрын

So the NEW Bank 2 Intake Camshaft and VVT Phaser did NOT fix the Limping 2017 Jeep Rubicon... WHAT NEXT?
I called my good friend Keith DeFazio of New Level Auto, and he suggested that I take a look at the Diagnostic Network posts at diag.net/
Sure enough, there was a post about a Jeep with the exact SAME codes and symptoms!!
But the resolution was still UNCLEAR...
Let's do a few more experiments and finally nail down the ROOT CAUSE of this weird engine problem.
The findings blew my mind... have YOU seen this failure before??
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Enjoy!
Ivan

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@mark98070 7 ай бұрын

If this Jeep was mine I would pay all your labor & all parts! And I would be extremely understanding and grateful that you fixed it while others could not. Awesome job Ivan

@kevincampbell8298 7 ай бұрын

A lot of these types of diagnosis are not just cut and dry read a TSB and done for sure! There maybe should be a TSB for these!

@user-ee1ki5lz5e 7 ай бұрын

But why? The entire car is worth a few grand

@kevincampbell8298 7 ай бұрын

@@user-ee1ki5lz5e any vehicle is only worth what a person will pay for it. You are correct. Every car/vehicle culture has who knows how many people spending was too much to keep a vehicle alive. A friend of mine has a shop. He does so many jeeps. constant upgrades and people sink so much money i to them. Its unreal.

@ckm-mkc 7 ай бұрын

@@user-ee1ki5lz5e Are you crazy? The cheapest 2017 Jeep Wrangler Rubicons are around $20k. Def worth fixing as a new one is around $50k.... But, if you have a running/driving/accident free Jeep Wrangler Rubicon you want to sell me for a few thousand, I have cash....

@janpur1417 7 ай бұрын

I thought the owner would give him a generous tip! man that jeep needed a wire harness, then an engine... imagine out of pocket pay if he went to any other shop.

@leaddog54 7 ай бұрын

I'd be worried where the original bolt/plug went. Hopefully just in the sump.

@ibidu1 7 ай бұрын

Thats what I was thinking, he better not tip that jeep on its side and drop a bolt into moving parts.

@michaelgleason4791 7 ай бұрын

Came here to say this. What a ridiculous design.

@182QKFTW 7 ай бұрын

I dropped one a few months ago on that side after finding one backed out. I was able to fish it out with a borescope and magnet. It was sitting on the tensioner....was sweating bullets! Thought I was going to have to pull the cover:/ I stuffed soooo many rags down there for the next 3 that an atom couldn't pass through!

@fsdweaver9199 7 ай бұрын

Or that it would automagically reappear while you're drive down the freeway at 70. 🤯

@zyzzyva303 6 ай бұрын

@@fsdweaver9199 No hope of it screwing itself back in, I suppose. 🤔

@GS-lh2nx 7 ай бұрын

To be fair, most of us are not looking for missing or loose fasteners inside a running engine that are integral for it to run properly. Plus, you probably gave a few hundred people some guidance on what to look for when they run into this. That cam and phaser was a pretty educated guess. You are by far the best of most of us. Thanks for the great content and education. We are all better because of it.

@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics 7 ай бұрын

I hope my struggle with this Jeep helps other people avoid some major headaches 😅

@dendkmac 7 ай бұрын

@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics The struggle real with the code set, such a deep dive into the unknown on this

@ckm-mkc 7 ай бұрын

@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics How many miles did that engine have? IRC you showed in the first video, but I can't find it now.

@joesmo4749 7 ай бұрын

The 3.6 pentastar sucks!

@ricebike 7 ай бұрын

@@joesmo4749 well, any newer vehicle with 1/3 plastic parts in the engine bay that really should have been made with metal & excessive control modules intertwined is the next arena for these techs to keep on their toes. This is definitely a tsb type of deal to warn any other owner with this Mopar Fiat engine because that's an engineer oops to not have those plugs locked into place

@irfanbedretdin3591 7 ай бұрын

Wow Nice Job!! How about oil plugs in bank 1? Should them have been checked for good measures as well? You will probably find the missing bolt in the oil sump. 😊

@JoseSilveira-newhandleforYT 7 ай бұрын

My thought exactly 🙂

@182QKFTW 7 ай бұрын

I found 1 backed out while replacing exhaust cams because of rocker failure. The other 3 were tight. However, I removed, cleaned & applied loctite to all 4

@JoseSilveira-newhandleforYT 7 ай бұрын

@@182QKFTW That's working preventively. Good job!

@herbieschwartz9246 7 ай бұрын

When finding the metal on the position magnets, I think I would have pulled the pan to see what is there and would have found the gallery plug then. Armchair mechanic here :-)

@andyg5004 7 ай бұрын

Appreciate your honesty Ivan. It takes time to fix jeeps and you should be paid for all your time

@stevec5657 7 ай бұрын

That is a crazy issue and fix. Parts cannon aside, you were able to share that resolution with all your viewers and anyone we know that's experiencing this phenomenon. Now we know there are oil galley plugs behind the phasers. Great job Ivan and hats off to Keith 👏

@10100rsn 7 ай бұрын

Wow. Those oil galley plugs actually just fall out all the way like that. That old bolt must be at the bottom of the oil pan by now just living the good life swimming in the good stuff. Who knows, it might have a friend some day. ;P

@marlu6373 7 ай бұрын

yep i assume is from the vibration of the engine.

@andrewedwards6548 7 ай бұрын

Perfect timing. Just finished watching the first 2 parts. Every mechanic has a job that haunts them, then you get someone else who fixes it in 5 mins 😂

@calholli 7 ай бұрын

That's how it always works.. It seems so easy and obvious once you fight the problem. :)

@mr.mister3321 7 ай бұрын

I work at a dealer, 8-10 are usually oil galley bolts 😂

@mr.mister3321 7 ай бұрын

Lots of different codes can be fixed by that because it’s causes low oil pressure,

@shanesgettinghandy 7 ай бұрын

@@mr.mister3321 NOW you tell him.... 😂

@londen3547 7 ай бұрын

Interesting problem I actually did some research on it, most of bulletins suggest an oil pressure problem, failure of the cam relearn confirmed it. Just shows how easy it is to get pulled down the wrong path.

@SHSPVR 7 ай бұрын

Nice catch Ivan but I still find it to be bit odd that as it still had good oil pressure, man I would be wanting to fine in that missing bolt before something else catastrophic happens assuming that it didn't find its way into the bottom of oil pan, And I would definitely check the other head too while I was at it and locked tight them in as well as the preventative measure.

@aymanabouseif2915 7 ай бұрын

Exactly

@paulstandaert5709 7 ай бұрын

The oil pressure is tested near the main bearings, not up in the heads. I cannot remember if these gaskets had restrictions in them, but often times head gaskets do. So, the oil pressure at the mains was good, but it was bleeding off in the head. Interestingly, excess wear doesn't seem to be a problem due to these bolts falling out. Unless they do, and this is why they eat up cams?

@smokeskull 7 ай бұрын

@paulstandaert5709 these have the variable displacement oil pump so monitoring the solenoid duty cycle might reveal a system leak.

@fieldsofomagh 7 ай бұрын

Who could have guessed? The new site is well worth the $50 for the information alone. Still can't believe that a crucial bolt could loosen up. Well done to Keith for his helpful contribution.

@ehsnils 7 ай бұрын

@@paulstandaert5709 Normally it's not the gaskets that have the restrictor but it's often found in the head or the block.

@robertmazzawy8322 7 ай бұрын

Maybe going above and beyond, but I would think you should check bank 1 for loose plug bolts given problem on Bank 2.

@henrydunbar397 7 ай бұрын

Or at least ask the customer if he wants to spend a little more to have it checked.

@johncooper4637 7 ай бұрын

I am more paranoid than that, I would have had him pull the pan too.

@norcal715 7 ай бұрын

Way to stick to it and find a 100% resolution for the customer. Thank you Ivan.

@howardbeall4144 7 ай бұрын

would it be worth a new valve cover gasket and labor just to check the other head gallery plugs?

@mikefoehr235 7 ай бұрын

I was wondering that myself. Ticking time bomb

@russellstephan6844 7 ай бұрын

Yep! Pull `em, Loctite `em, and sleep well going forward. Although, if it was my vehicle, I'd go the extra miles and safety wire the two bolts in-place for the obvious self-documenting benefits.

@calholli 7 ай бұрын

If it's not broke, don't fix it. That would definitely be something to check later though.. if your gasket leaks and you have to go in there anyway; I'd pull those other plugs and put locktite on them, since you're already in there.

@keltecshooter 7 ай бұрын

Absolutely

@walterdodds3925 7 ай бұрын

Absolutely, apparently it should be required maintenance.

@kellyd887 7 ай бұрын

I guess keeping a good reputation means having to eat the cost once in a while. The dealerships certainly would have charged the customer for their mistake. Good job Ivan & good on you integrity wise. The world needs more of that.

@joevaagen6170 7 ай бұрын

Man ivan, when it comes to KZfaq mechanics I can count on 1 hand which ones I would trust if I'm working on my own vehicles. You and Eric O are the ones I watch RELIGIOUSLY. Way to go this was a rough one!

@EdsVideosRcool 7 ай бұрын

If they could only multiply many times and form a vultron of auto mechanics for us all? lol

@jeffreybowd1249 7 ай бұрын

There must be great mechanics out there the problem is how you find them, maybe someone can develop a database of repairers with a rating scale or something similar.

@calholli 7 ай бұрын

That look of dread in the intro.. when you thought you were done, but you have to start all over again. :) I've been there too many times

@hikerJohn 7 ай бұрын

It's like 100 people knew about this before today and now because of this video THOUSANDS of people know about it . . . I watch 99% of your videos but was more interested in this episode because I'm a Jeep owner.

@carguy0000 7 ай бұрын

Hey Ivan great video , would it be a good idea to check the oil gallery plugs on the other bank for tightness ?

@80SWoods 7 ай бұрын

It’s really interesting to understand the cause and effect of something like cam phasing and how something like oil pressure can be overlooked. It’s not a “direct” step of the process for cam phasing, but it is needed for it to occur. Great series and I learned a lot on this one. Thank you!

@Cheepchipsable 7 ай бұрын

Many of them work on oil pressure, so it seems like something that should have been thought about at some stage. Maybe because it seemed OK after warming up? Was also thinking too bad he didn't have some known good parameters to compare with.

@billsmith2212 7 ай бұрын

That website is GOLD ! It's always easier to brainstorm than be the first to hack a path through the jungle . Many dealers would have needlessly replaced an engine . They don't care - it's not their money ! I would send the video to the CEO and tell him this is horrible engineering ! Great lesson . Most would have walked away . BTW , that one post was from ATS . You are in good company .

@2nickles647 7 ай бұрын

I appreciate all you Ivan. You are honest. If I were the customer. I would pay for the whole shibang. New cams and all. In the end. I've learned a whole hell of a lot of information. Your awesome Ivan.

@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics 7 ай бұрын

I learned a lot too! Yet ANOTHER weird Pentastar problem 😅

@toshayonguard4253 7 ай бұрын

Information is knowledge……this is why like minded people watch KZfaq because like myself most people watch these channels to learn. Great job Ivan. 🤘🏼🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

@kimwinthernielsen9434 7 ай бұрын

Activating the vvt solenoids one by one was a brilliant idea. Great diagnostic work. I wonder where the missing bolt went?

@engeneer_ru5827 7 ай бұрын

Why is this useful feature not included in the "ideal" thinktool?

@Belal-Khan 7 ай бұрын

That was my question. It would be worth dropping the pan to see if it made its way there. Better to grab it before it plugs up the oil pump or makes it's way through the engine

@abdul-kabiralegbe5660 7 ай бұрын

@@engeneer_ru5827 The functionality in a scan tool depends on the vehicle manufacturer.

@OPPlaidDoesStuff 7 ай бұрын

As a customer I would gladly pay for new parts, lost labor = education for you! Good stuff, definitely gave you a thumbs up on this one. Also, this is why I drive an early 4th Gen 4runner, pre VVT.

@robertoruiz7069 7 ай бұрын

GREAT JOB Ivan,If the dealership gave up on this ,SHAME on them.they should have had this info.no excuse for that. I'm surprised however that an oil pressure gauge is not standard on this jeep. I believe 8 lb on idle is to low,my guess is 20 psi,for newer 1990 and up.Unless it has 500,000 miles with worn bearings.OR diluted oil,from gas contamination.The rabbit hole was DEEP this time my friend.WE all fell in.haha thanks for sticking with it Ivan.

@ricebike 7 ай бұрын

LoL you should watch the recent south main auto video where the local stealership doesn't have any qualified techs that can do a simple tpms relearn 😅

@legrandeverde2147 7 ай бұрын

I've been into 3 or 4 of those pentastar engines for other issues. After seeing this I'll be taking care of those bolts as a preventative measure any time i have free access to them. Thanks for taking the time to make these videos Ivan.

@cullenmiller8170 7 ай бұрын

Great case study and conclusion. It reminded me of 63CSI that came to me with a bearing failure. After replacing all bearings, oil pump and polishing crankshaft. I found oil pressure sensor unplugged. I plugged it in and light was on and no oil pressure to the cylinder head. After tons of research I found out that BMW had changed engine block design and had an extra oil bore by the filter adapter. I ended up threading the hole and installing a plug to fix that problem.

@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics 7 ай бұрын

Wow that's CRAZY!

@lynskyrd 3 ай бұрын

Ivan- your sense of integrity and fairness is unmatched. You would have been FULLY justified in charging for the parts-- that's what led you to the missing plug. The customer should knock on everybody else's door for a refund. Hell, the dealer wanted to sell him a new engine! My question... if the 'factory' plug backed out... where did it go? Also, that other plug was loose, it was only a matter of time until that one backed out too. You did this customer a solid-- well done.

@danoakes8680 7 ай бұрын

This is the experience we all go through. You called the repair based on what you find thru diag. procedure . When we miss the mark, we learn and eat it. The experience will pay you back in the future. Don't hesitate or be bashful when charge out labor is legitimate. Your reputation means more than eating a few parts. As I have said before, experience has it's own reward. Your honesty in the industry is commendable and as professionals we need more of it. Thanks to all the tech info that is available to us pros. Thanks Ivan. The old school guy.

@jerryking2418 7 ай бұрын

That was a hard one. With perfect 20/20 hindsight, the missing bolt would have been caught during camshaft remove/replace. Very well done.

@simonilett998 7 ай бұрын

I'm now worried about bank one having the same problem lurking ready to strike at any time. Also, hopefully the missing bolt made it safely down into the sump and not skipping around the front end somewhere🤣 A scope capture after the 'fix' would've been interesting, to see if the mismatched trigger patterns are more closely re-aligned now🤔

@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics 7 ай бұрын

See link in description for all the scope captures 👆

@simonilett998 7 ай бұрын

@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics Cheers Ivan, nice work as always👍 I tried to view the waveforms, but I can't seem to find an app in the Play store that can open the waveform file format🤔

@JoseSilveira-newhandleforYT 7 ай бұрын

Crazy, Ivan! It's mind boggling that oil gallery plugs can come loose this easy. Was an expensive learning curve, but you won't get caught again! Great job!

@hrdworkin7633 7 ай бұрын

Car engines today rely heavily on oil condition and pressure. Had to walk around the house to get to the front door on this one. Great video series.

@amundsen575 7 ай бұрын

great conclusion, first instinct would be the noisy rattle that should not be.Our senses should not be overlooked what a PITA!

@richb419 7 ай бұрын

good catch, I wonder if the other side has loose gallery plugs too.

@kevincampbell8298 7 ай бұрын

Even DIY guys should join and read up on diags on that network! That start up noise just felt oil pressure related. i thought maybe the phaser was somehow leaking oil or plugged or something. No clue on the design of them. Only thing I miss about not staying in this trade is the troubleshooting stuff because I love it.

@nes2123 7 ай бұрын

Good morning Ivan , much respect str8 up from Boston, MA

@ckm-mkc 7 ай бұрын

I wish I had known this a few months ago - did the valve cover gaskets on the same engine in a Grand Cherokee - could have checked these at that time. Might still be worth doing to prevent future issues....

@marcokahny709 7 ай бұрын

Everybody that owns a 3.6 Pentastar should be out taking their valve covers off 15 minutes after watching this 😛

@slopsec2358 7 ай бұрын

What an awesome journey! So glad you allowed us to ride along! Now when this happens to my 2014 I'll now exactly where to look. THANK YOU!

@richshaffer985 7 ай бұрын

Your tenacity is amazing!

@donkaiser6704 7 ай бұрын

Outstanding diagnostic work!! Thanks for sharing it.

@braddofner 7 ай бұрын

Its always a good morning waking up to a conclusion!

@vg3430 7 ай бұрын

Really enjoyed this series….great job!

@robertlacob8831 7 ай бұрын

Ivan, when I heard that rattling, I thought about low oil pressure, somewhere. Looks like it was a great guess. Sometimes the answers are so simple that we are blinded by all the new technology! This affects all of us at one time or another. Another great fix and learning experience for all.

@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics 7 ай бұрын

So let's say the hypothesis is "low oil pressure". 1) How do you PROVE that? 2) How do you SOLVE that? The final answer may be simple, but the diagnosis is anything but simple ;)

@robertlacob8831 7 ай бұрын

As you did, inquire at other jeep dealerships and independent shops for experience.

@michaelhomdus4945 7 ай бұрын

Great job, thanks for educating us as always.

@jannepo 7 ай бұрын

Just watched all 3 parts. I have had success, by fixing everything which is clearly wrong, before digging in deeper. Like the rattle after start in this case. If every engine of this type do not rattle, there is an reason why this one does. Only after sorting out things that are clearly not working properly, you can have reliable results when you dig in deeper. When you have a shop, this is harder to do, because you can not "fix everything". Btw, in addition to oscilloscope, I have found the mechanics stethoscope, quite useful locating the origin of the sound.

@user-te3pn4pb4u 7 ай бұрын

i have the same opinion, running a shop is different than a utube channel. i still don't know why they wont give how long it took in hours it actually took to fix the problem, then people would no why shops may not put that much effort into these issues. they would go broke or have to charge a customer 8hrs or beyond and that would be more than most people would want to pay plus eating like his first diag with camshaft replacement part that he got wrong. shop in business vs utuber very different scenarios. but!!!!!!!!!!!!! im glad they do these cause it does help all of us!!!

@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics 7 ай бұрын

@@user-te3pn4pb4u I run both a specialty shop AND a KZfaq channel 😜 This one was 9/10 on the diagnostic difficulty scale when seeing the issue for the first time. Regardless, communication with the customer is crucial when faced with bizarre time consuming diagnostic cases. Everything must be documented and hard data recorded. Then present that to the customer and be 100% honest if you can GUARANTEE that the recommended repair will resolve the customer complaint 👍

@jannepo 7 ай бұрын

@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics High Five to that! That is an extremely complicated job. Have a great weekend Ivan!

@AP9311 7 ай бұрын

Wow, after watching the series. Just that bolt caused all the problems!! Just wow! Unbelievable at least you learned something and use that in future! Hope it didn't cost you too much on the new parts you paid for. Great series Ivan!

@russellstephan6844 7 ай бұрын

Boom! Nice work on nailing this one down! These are the challenges that make watching a hoot!

@gilberthale7777 7 ай бұрын

Wow... Nicely done. Thank you for pursuing this to the end...

@dominicm2175 7 ай бұрын

Unfortunately there’s no substitute for experience and am personally very thankful for videos like this and most especially the repair forums which have saved me countless hours of not only troubleshooting but the little tricks on the actual repairs

@chrissmith7655 7 ай бұрын

Hi Ivan, we knew you would sort it. Many thanks from UK.

@titaniumman_22 7 ай бұрын

Sweet follow through Ivan! Love your integrity.🇺🇸

@spirokattan3655 7 ай бұрын

Ivan, Thank you for taking us along with you on this journey. Your diagnostic strategies are amazing! Your patience and perseverance are incredible!

@TheCarCrazyGuy 7 ай бұрын

Great job Ivan. Sometimes we make mistakes but learn from them. Knowledge is power!

@glennfoster7288 7 ай бұрын

Glad you were able to figure that out. Unusually problem for sure but does make sense. I think the only thing I would’ve done is check the other head to make sure those plugs were tight.

@ricebike 7 ай бұрын

Not check, but use lock tite on all 4 plugs 😢 they'll definitely get loose over time since there was no lock agent in the OEM 🔩

@jgeorges3061 7 ай бұрын

Ivan, AWESOME SERIESE WITH INTRESTING PROBLEMS AND FIXESE YOU ALWAYS AMAZE ME WITH UR THOUGHT PROCESS AND APPROACH TO SOLVE PROBLEMS LIKE THIS JEEP HAD THANKS FOR SHARING. CHEEEERS

@angelcarranza2207 7 ай бұрын

Thanks! Great diagnostic series!

@davidraezer5937 7 ай бұрын

Great diagnostic work! I have been a member of DN for a while. Another helpful tool in your diagnostic toolbox.

@petermartinez5573 7 ай бұрын

I could see the look of frustration on your face at the beginning of this video. But as usual you stuck with it and resolved the problem. You had to eat a very expensive unnecessary part which is unfortunate. However, you can take solace in knowing that you will save others a lot of money. Thanks for all the great video's and sharing your knowledge.

@cintroberts6614 7 ай бұрын

To prevent any further issues pulling bank 1 valve cover and adding loctite to those two plugs is necessary. I would also locate the old plug even if the oil pan needed to pulled. That way you can sleep much better at night. Then you can finally flush that toilet.

@leonardodavinci303 7 ай бұрын

I will add my standing ovation for a job well done. I actually think the parts added were a necessary part of the diagnosis journey. They were a reasonable call.

@hillcrinton1416 7 ай бұрын

the jeep owner should have paid for the parts because he was quoted a new engine by many other mechanic....Ivan is the most Honest man ever...LOVE you Ivan...

@davidzajano1983 7 ай бұрын

Two wrongs do not make a right. The mechanic who said tye engine needed to be replaced was wrong. Neither Ivan or the owner should have to pay for that failed repair. Ivan, eventually, made the correct diagnosis. He knowingly and reluctantly fired the parts cannon and when that cannon misfired he ate the loss. Replacing the cam and phaser was a calculated risk on Ivan's part, and not really a mistake from where I sit. Hopefully he will be able to sell the cam and the phaser somewhere down the line.

@MrOverstuffedcow 7 ай бұрын

Great video Ivan. I typically work on PCs and have experienced this more than once where a 50 cent part was the cause versus a $50 card. I really appreciate seeing your honesty and integrity in not billing the customer for the wrong diagnosis.

@gorak9000 7 ай бұрын

There's a lot of other electronics out there where a 50 cent part repairs / saves a $1100 power supply, or $70 worth of parts saves a $3000 repair! PC's are so commodity that everything is cheap and the diagnosis time might not even be worth it - that's not true for all electronics!

@MrOverstuffedcow 7 ай бұрын

Fully agree with that. I had a 50 cent mosfet fix a hundred dollar blower motor resistor

@fitzpreacherfarm6826 7 ай бұрын

Ivan, you are one smart dude! I enjoy all your videos. Thanks for sharing.

@CaseyWalt 7 ай бұрын

Wheres the original bolt??😬. I love that you share the first "failure" too. That happenes sometimes during troubleshooting. Happens to the best. But making it right at the end is all that matters.

@johnstancato8785 7 ай бұрын

Just curious did you check the plugs on the other side to make sure they're not finger tight or backing out if this side came loose that side probably is working loose too excellent work as always great job 👍👍

@joekuntzman4016 7 ай бұрын

Great case study man. Awesome thought out testing and diagnosis. Always impressed with your videos! I wonder how many heads, cams etc. have been destroyed by those self loosening plugs?

@sohailrabani 7 ай бұрын

Great effort 👌 and great diag ivan....i have never seen you give up on any stubborn fault and thats whats make your work special...learned alot...cheers

@Mickey_Bauer 5 ай бұрын

Other techs would straight up lie and have the customer pay for the new cam and gear. Thanks for being honest, i hope that customer appreciates it.

@viking.200 7 ай бұрын

I would pay for the parts, it's new parts, and it's going in my car and I would still have saved a lot of money compared to another engine, and the car is fixed.

@gutsngorrrr 7 ай бұрын

I'm sure the customer will be happy, even if this cost a lot in diagnostics, because they were told they needed a new engine, which would have been a lot more.

@gs3504 7 ай бұрын

Who would have thought that was the prob!! Great job Ivan!!

@joepalovick1915 7 ай бұрын

Great video series Ivan. So satisfying for me to see the engineering process used in car repair. Sometimes you have to try something to push you towards the actual problem so I wouldn’t be too hard on yourself for having to change a part to figure it out.

@Sean_Diagnostics 7 ай бұрын

Dont feel bad about throwing parts at it. With the data you had at the time i would have done the same. At first after the pico captures i was thinking towards the spring inside the intake reluctor vibrating and would end up changing the same part.....im Happy you got the correct fix for it even though its a simple fix, you still got it fixed

@juancarlosmorales6775 7 ай бұрын

In Retrospect, the initial data pointed to the phaser; however, I think the honest mistake was not noticing the missing bolt/plug while he opened the cover the first time to change the cam. He is not opening these engines everyday. Difficult to notice something was missing. Great video anyways, as usual, and 3rd part the best

@stevenwolfgang2744 7 ай бұрын

So where’s the factory installed bolt? Also, hindsight being 20-20, accessing Diag Network early on probably would have saved the owner significant $ and Ivan much frustration. Great video as usual.

@glenharper3136 7 ай бұрын

Thanks for the video Ivan.

@scottjanoso4475 7 ай бұрын

Great catch! That is some fantastic repair work.

@ctech14367 7 ай бұрын

What about the other head, should they be checked?

@jessicav2031 7 ай бұрын

Wow, what a ridiculous design/assembly, did they want to save $0.01 in thread locker? I'm really surprised you didn't take the other side off to thread lock those as well, who knows when they will fall out.

@catnip4885 7 ай бұрын

That's been left for the future so that Ivan can charge again when that goes wrong 😀

@major__kong 7 ай бұрын

Thread locker is better than nothing. But on something that's supposed to be permanent I would have designed a plug that could be staked in. Another approach is to find a way to safety wire it in. On an aircraft engine, it would have been. But no one does that on cars anymore except the race stuff. I think the FAA did some testing with thread locker, and they determined it wasn't as reliable as good old safety wire. Aircraft rattle a LOT.

@jorgefernandez-mv8hu 7 ай бұрын

That was incredible. Unbelievable!! Great Job Ivan!

@oldbiker9739 7 ай бұрын

Nice fix Ivan , that customer needs to get ahold of that engine manufacture and let them know what's what to stop this stupidity ,and get his money back including the wire harness.

@bills6093 7 ай бұрын

Seems like you should have found the original bolt in the pan, and also checked the other side?

@mikefoehr235 7 ай бұрын

Eric will do it on I DO CARS eventually. That's his primary joy....the cash register

@johnclamshellsp1969 7 ай бұрын

As a former GM mechanic, I would not waste my time in dropping the oil pan for that bolt. That bolt will cause no harm. The oil pickup tube has quite a stout screen to prevent these issues. The bolt falling out and making into the pan is a lucky thing. No engine damage, a winner. I find it sad that the engine has bolts for the oil passages, and not a simple brass plug. Very poor design.

@bills6093 7 ай бұрын

@@johnclamshellsp1969 I meant to replace it, rather than make a new bolt. I would get it to put it back, and also to have a good look at the oil and the filter. He was wiping something off the cam reluctor wheel earlier with his finger, before he replaced the cam. Plus, that was a lot of rattling going on for months. 15 to 20 seconds on startup.

@thomasschaefer9312 7 ай бұрын

Was the bolt missing since new, or did it fall out and is inside the engine?

@Graham_Wideman 7 ай бұрын

It's presumably down in the oil pan stuck to the magnet.

@gonzgarr1592 7 ай бұрын

Ivan best 3 part series i have seen thanks it is much appreciated

@wallebo 7 ай бұрын

Nice! Hard work, intelligence, and honesty. Ivan, your super power is that you are not pretentious. You, sir, are the complete package.

@CrimeVid 7 ай бұрын

So is the original oil plug going to cause any grief in the future ?

@Usmanthemecano 7 ай бұрын

Most likely in the oil pan... truck seems to run fine

@fredmalito9869 7 ай бұрын

It probably fell right down into the oil pan, but damn they’re lucky it didn’t get caught in that chain and cause catastrophic engine failure!

@captaindunsell8568 7 ай бұрын

It is probably down below and should not migrate up

@andycarter5617 7 ай бұрын

Only a problem if he rolls the car in future

@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics 7 ай бұрын

It's in its happy place 😄👌

@akdenyer 7 ай бұрын

Brilliant of course. If you could have run that with the cover off you would have seen it immediately. Unbelievable crap design by GM. That was a machining plug to drill the hole. We would have used an interference fit plug and staked it or an NPT or BSP flush fit plug with loctite. College boy design with no experience! Usually that kind of failure would be engine detonation. We also put restrictors in some feeds to stop over oiling. On our engines it was the timing chain eccentric tensioner and the rocker shaft feeds.. They always had restrictors so that wear did not reduce oil pressure. Old school stuff been done for years.

@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics 7 ай бұрын

Can you imagine the mess that would make if I started it without the valve cover? 😳

@akdenyer 7 ай бұрын

@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics. Oh yes but you would have shut off quick and have your answer. It probably has a restrictor or the engine would have long since blown up. Not the first time covered in oil LOL

@rodneymiddleton9624 7 ай бұрын

Heck of a job!! Thanks Ivan!!!

@jimsix9929 7 ай бұрын

I learned so much from this I know the day will come when I have one come into my shop, so now I know what to look for, thank you!!!

@Chris-L-sr 7 ай бұрын

So where's the bolt that fell out ,in the oil pan?

@slidebed 7 ай бұрын

Did you not check the same bolts on the other head Ivan if the bolts on this head were loose.

@HouseCallAutoRepair 7 ай бұрын

I am confident that you would have found the oil pressure issue. Finding the cause of it, however, would have been a different challenge. VERY satisfyingly find and resolution! (So much educational value!)

@bigdredre3725 7 ай бұрын

Man that’s a great fix and video series I like your videos and the work you do.

@MUSTANGGT12 7 ай бұрын

I'm assuming you verified the other side that they are tight

@gomd3rd 7 ай бұрын

Charge an hour to take the pan off and get that bolt out.

@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics 7 ай бұрын

It only takes an hour?

@chekelley6861 7 ай бұрын

No. It doesn’t take an hour. Ask me how I know.

@jessebbutanda586 7 ай бұрын

Awesome job, you repaired it, some mechanics stated he needed a new engine, well you repaired it, shows how honest your work is. Thanks for the informative videos.

@jimburgess9205 7 ай бұрын

So glad you found the issue.

@austenj4539 7 ай бұрын

A bit mean of the owner not to pay for all the time/parts on such a tricky diagnosis! Anyway, shared knowledge = power and I am sure that this video [as with your other uploads] will help out many others. Excellent work.

@andrewedwards6548 7 ай бұрын

Ivan has a guarantee fix rule so if he says it's this part but it doesn't fix the issue then he'll eat the costs for that misdiagnosis. How honest mechanics and shops should be!

@Cheepchipsable 7 ай бұрын

You want him to pay for the mechanics mistake? Mechanics shouldn't be learning on the job at the expense of the customer.

@stevestadnik9206 7 ай бұрын

Doctors do it all the time, and they still get paid for their work even if the patient dies. You can't know everything. Plumbers, electricians, and HVAC guys always get paid for a service call , even if they don['t fix a thing.@@Cheepchipsable

@stevewhite3424 7 ай бұрын

@@andrewedwards6548This is the reason why people drag their cars to him from hundreds of miles away. Ivan may have eaten some cost on this job, but in the end it will bring him far more business than any money lost on this specific vehicle. I'm also sure that the owner of this jeep is gonna be quite a source of positive advertising for Ivan. I've forgotten since the first episode but didn't some shop recommend a new engine along with some posters? Shame chrysler didn't at least put out a TSB on this.

@davidstleon8388 7 ай бұрын

Lesson learned. Next time you hear an engine rattle, put the scope away and go old school then pull out the stethescope. Fix the rattle first as is isn't normal.

@NoWr2Run 7 ай бұрын

NO SHIT, SOUNDED TERRIBLE.

@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics 7 ай бұрын

There are a dozen different things that can cause a "rattle". I had to PROVE that oil pressure was low BEFORE tearing the engine apart again! 😁

@davidstleon8388 7 ай бұрын

@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics C'mon, man....I'm just an older Mechanic tying to get you to stop being so Scope Happy. If an engine is knocking are you going to pull out the scope or pull the oil pan? You gotta know when to use your Noggin and when to use the scope.

@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics 7 ай бұрын

@@davidstleon8388 I see where you are coming from 😉 Rod knock vs intermittent VVT cam phaser rattle are 2 very different things!