Crazy Fast Motor in a Slow RC Car, what could go Wrong!

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Ай бұрын

I was making an 'Easily Upgrade your RC Car to Brushless' Video and it escalated pretty quickly to the Worlds Fastest Arrma Gorgon (2s)... kinda video
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@TomleyRC Ай бұрын

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@kristiandalsj7551 Ай бұрын

cool video btw my 1st rc was a Tamiya Grasshopper 1984model bought in 87

@matthewwiddows6319 Ай бұрын

wheel speed was unloaded, motors theoretical max speed is down to back emf voltage. so yes a lower speed unloaded motor with more power can be faster.

@secondhandrc7024 Ай бұрын

Was thinking this when he got more speed!! Brushless runs much smoother through the powerband as well.

@TomMustache Ай бұрын

I hopped in here to say basically what @@secondhandrc7024said. In addition, with more torque, the truck has the beef to overcome the effects of air resistance and power lost to the friction between the tires and road.

@demoths 28 күн бұрын

Yep. You're gonna be seeing all the measured wheelspeed with the brushless system, but the brushed is definitely not reaching that rpm in the real world. Really showcases the differences between brushed and brushless

@user-hg9sj9wz5v Ай бұрын

Awesome. The Gorgon is one of my favorites. It’s super durable, cheap, and a hell of a lot of fun to drive, even stock. It takes me back to when I was a kid in the 80’s with my Tamiya RC cars we had, like the lunchbox and monster beetle.

@1980VINZ 14 күн бұрын

I’m 44yo, I’m so agree………. The Gorgon is exactly that !! ARRMA got all my respect for this completely GENIUS model…..🙏 The look, the chassis design who is very original and so well executed in every aspects, the plastics quality, the gears design and quality, the pricing………. This Gorgon is an INSTANT CLASSIC, we will remember it for years in the RC Cars History. LOVE IT !!!!!! Can’t wait to see the next Gorgon Grom, the Warhead Grom, the Mojave 6S V3……… ARRMA is on fire and this is very good for us and the Hobby !!

@TastierBackInThe80s Ай бұрын

No complaints here about it having to be a two parter. More Gorgon content. Bring it on.

@GhostRyderFPV Ай бұрын

Man, that _Timex_ and those NiMh packs take me back, 80's style, my guy. Maybe we need to take a new brushless RC, and retro-convert it to 80's tech with a 540 motor and a Novak ESC. Better yet, a Tamiya wiper mechanical speed controller and resistor (hotter than the surface of the sun)!

@wordreet Ай бұрын

That made me chuckle!! 😂

@secondhandrc7024 Ай бұрын

I got the old an transmitter and receiver with crystals!!! Old servos and a brushed stock traxxas cat motor to donate to the build!!😁😜🤙🏼

@TomleyRC Ай бұрын

I do have a video planned that may be just what you are looking for 😅

@Toaster808 Ай бұрын

The brushless system doesn't get bogged down by a load as much as a brushed one does.

@GKRC Ай бұрын

I’d fly over just to hang out and run RC’s all day! Awesome video once again!

@ExtremeRCReviews Ай бұрын

Nothing but joy when I get to my boring old job, sit down with some hot coffee and my breakfast to find what? A NEW VIDEO FROM PHIL. Oh happy days! Love the new video buddy. Love from the US.

@TomleyRC Ай бұрын

You’re welcome dude, hope you enjoyed your breakfast 😇

@MaartenDeWispelaere Ай бұрын

Couldn't it be that is was faster because the brushless setup has more torque? Unloaded RPM doesn't really tell you much in this case I think. You could put some fiddly motor in there that is able to generate crazy RPMS without load, but goes nowhere once you put the truck on its wheels (well, theoretically, but you get the idea right?)

@TomleyRC Ай бұрын

Yes, that is why 👍

@ericzajac5237 Ай бұрын

More companies should offer RTA that are just rollers. I don't need more transmitters!!!

@TomleyRC Ай бұрын

I agree

@rcfamily4life74 Ай бұрын

ARRMA needs to make the Gorgon 4WD. Happy RC’ing Y’all!!!

@michaeldorich4485 Ай бұрын

This is an excellent video. The Gorgon keeps proving it's one of the best releases of last year.

@FeralRC Ай бұрын

We already have one of these tucked away for my boy's 5th birthday next month. He has an idea it's coming and he's super excited. I have the ~$100 Spektrum brushless system ready to be put in but now you got me second guessing it. His Traxxas Bigfoot has the same system and it's his favorite wheelie-for-distance RC but I really want the Gorgon to take that throne.

@glynparry5796 Ай бұрын

The custom body looks amazing. 👍🏼

@Rc.me.1 Ай бұрын

Absolutely fantastic video. That's superb. We'll impressed

@ralphhondaman Ай бұрын

Hot racing makes a motor spacer so you do not have to modify the chassis. Then you can run a shorter motor. I ran the spacer with mine. And you can get a motor plate for the motor screws for strength for a brushless motor.

@TomleyRC Ай бұрын

Does the pinion reach okay?

@ralphhondaman Ай бұрын

@TomleyRC it did with the motor I used. I used a spektrum 3900kv motor with 5mm shaft. Same as what's used in the vendetta or small infraction.

@heathabercrombie1039 Ай бұрын

Nice. I Got to try out the copper head system out. I’m stuck on hobby wing

@TomleyRC Ай бұрын

It’s a decent system. And they have plenty of motor options

@benschram Ай бұрын

2:16 oooh I have always wanted that watch.

@gazzap6664 Ай бұрын

What a cool video, the Gorgon is such a good looking truck. I was put off simply because it is a step back from the Corally and Arrma models I have but 50MPH!!!! My 5 year old loves the Big Rock but he loves the look of this Gorgon so maybe. I will wait to see part 2. By the way he Dons his Tomley T shirt whenever we go RC bashing 😁

@WestyCoastHermit Ай бұрын

That's just part of the wonders of Nature. It makes your RCs go faster!

@allscalerc Ай бұрын

You had me on the edge of my seat during the build!!! I knew you could do it!!!😂😂👍👍👍👍👍👍

@RubBA- Ай бұрын

Haha you're laugh throughout the video about this crazy setup is just epic. Thanks, you made me smile 😁

@BagDouken Ай бұрын

The vantage! I love that thing, been Speedrunning it! One of the best value cars you can buy! But a pain to work with 😂 Gorgons looking solid at speed! Looking forward to part 2 🎉

@Hobz79 Ай бұрын

I bought the cheaper RTR without the battery and charger for my 6yo, but I really wanted to build it with him so I took it apart and bagged everything according to the manual that I printed online before giving it to him 😅 Put in an old 3600kv SCT motor/ESC, 30k diff fluid and 40wt shock fluid from the get-go. He loves it! It flies and handles surprisingly well!

@Dumb_rc Ай бұрын

Ive built 2 brushless gorgons and they both run 20t pinions and 2s is way faster than stock so u might just to get a bigger pinion

@woutervanwijk4369 Ай бұрын

What an enjoyable video this was! 👍🏻 For what I saw on other videos it handles brushless pretty well. It looks very stable. I think it actually looks like it handles better than some 4wd systems out there.

@nicodindon7477 Ай бұрын

Can't wait the part 2! Love your vids.

@viniciusbrito7512 Ай бұрын

great build, mate! you did it in less than 1 hour because you are awesome! it would have taken me a whole day! cheers!

@whipahoula Ай бұрын

Just a couple quick clarifications that Max 10 g2 that was in there from hobbywing can also do 4s and you can get it with a 3660 can motor so you don't have to hack the chassis

@TomleyRC Ай бұрын

This one’s only rated to 3s. I think the SCT one is 4s

@muskokamike127 Ай бұрын

3:43 just a note, you kind of wander around with your hand held meter. Since it measures how fast the tape goes past, that measurement will change based on where you read it on the dia of the wheel. If you take measurements further out from centre, wouldn't that change the reading?

@rcfools Ай бұрын

Had same issue with my Vantage. I made it fit though without any chassis modifications. Just clever placement and wire routing. It's very tight though regarding the ESC battery wires and the drive shaft.

@drroomba5045 Ай бұрын

Great video that. I’m going to pickup one of those rpm measuring devices. Great learning idea for kids. Can try and calc expected rpm from motor and gearboxes and then see real rpm ! Thanks for the idea

@myharryface Ай бұрын

Built in an hour by a very experienced RC KZfaqr. What, 3 times longer by the first timers the Gorgon is geared at? Hand a kit to a 10 year old who’s never done RC. Now that’s a video!!! 😀

@dexterbeattie7884 Ай бұрын

absolutely insane looking! love the paint job...

@MarcGillie Ай бұрын

The differential could be giving you the off rpm reading. More power could be causing it to slip and favor one side

@Maxinator_RC Ай бұрын

Man thats a good damn speed! 50mph on 2s is craaaazy! Can’t wait for part two!

@TomleyRC Ай бұрын

Yeah, mad!

@MangoJim90 Ай бұрын

🛻 4S brushed combos are also very fun (if you know what you are doing😉) and relatively cheap. Tried this a couple weeks ago with some 1/10 bash solid axle megatruck build.... awesome 😍 results, both smooth and speed🥳

@pyro1gone1crazy Ай бұрын

Brushless Has more torque so under the resistence of pushing the car it'll reach a higher wheel speed then a brushed motor that has to rev and lacks the torque so it can't achieve as high a wheel speed under resistance.

@ReactionRC Ай бұрын

Have the hobbywing 10bl120 4s combo in my gorgon! Thing freaking cooks down the road! I built mine in about 30 minutes no problem! Come on Phil. You need a 3660 motor so the wires don't hit!

@MCsCreations Ай бұрын

Fantastic job, Phil! This Gorgon is crazy! 😂 About the RPM, that was without load. In other words, it was without the weight of the car and so on. So, in theory, the brushed motor should be faster with a much lighter car... But, again, in theory! Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

@killbasa2000 Ай бұрын

Coincidentally I've upgraded FTX vantage to brushless a few weeks ago. Brushed motor gave a ghost after a two months. Had a similar problem too, trying to fit ESC, eventually managed...sideways...Not ideal but works fine: a rocket on wheels now. My kid crashed it quite badly 8) Got spare plastics today

@RC-Closer1313 Ай бұрын

You made me like the Gorgon!! I’ve been comfortable disliking this truck since it came out. Then here you go making it look incredibly awesome with that paint job… you make it go 50 mph(81 kph for all you Brits) on freakin’ 2s!! 3-4s are going to blow my mind 💨!! Darn you Phil, lol! Let me go get some tickets and see if I can win this truck🤔… I haven’t had any luck buying tickets, but here I go again.

@runnerbaba Ай бұрын

You need a 3660 motor with high rpm, like 4000kv. Or 3200kv but with a big pinion. And 3s ^^ Quickrun 120a or stock arrma 3s electronics. My brushless Gorgon is so much fun. its wild.

@surf-pixels Ай бұрын

These are such good bashers for fun! The body of ours are basically 50% duct tape, apart from that no issues!

@TomleyRC Ай бұрын

Yes, handles the power well

@surf-pixels Ай бұрын

From what I’ve seen the record to beat is 80mph for the Gorgon. 6s setup. 50 mph on 2S is so good though!

@Trevinator1990 Ай бұрын

while the esc is rated for 3-4s, the 7700kv motor is only rated for 2s. you can run the 7700 on 3s for a bit but it will get hot and possibly explode the rotor. 4s WILL grenade the motor.

@emersonb5764 Ай бұрын

Now I wanna see how it bashes. I had tons of fun with my 2wd stampede, but I’d love to switch to something that doesn’t need to be built completely out of aftermarket upgrade parts to be durable.

@mrzionist Ай бұрын

Love the custom paint scheme, Arrma should do a special edition of that, looking forward to part 2

@AlidArido Ай бұрын

Gorgon got the zoomies! Love that paint job you made 😍

@rctraildriversuk-lone-wolfvide Ай бұрын

cool video that was quick

@MasterShake300 Ай бұрын

I'm actually very tempted to try and put in to win this... damn you sir!!! :D So sick!

@OptiVR Ай бұрын

It's faster because the brushless system Isn't being SLOWED DOWN as much under load, so even though it's not hitting as high an rpm it's delivering more power doing it, this means you could use a higher KV motor or gear it to get more speed.

@Pablo668 Ай бұрын

Nice work Phil. That Gorgon is quite something when (and I say this all the time) you think about what beginner RC's were like too many decades back.

@nilssonck2475 Ай бұрын

That conversion video still holds up nicely though, used that one to convert my hbx 2996a to a hobbywing sensored motor. With the help of your video it was a breeze!

@NutjobGTO Ай бұрын

Man. This thing needs like a VW bus shell or an Astro van, paint it up as the Yeetmobile

@deanmurphy-brown4452 Ай бұрын

Funny thing, brushless V brushed. I'm going through this with my little toy racing car at the minute. The first thing I've had to do is gear it right up because the brushed motors hated being loaded whereas the brushless one loves it. I've still got to gear it up more according to the club blokes. Brushed motor revs well, no doubt. Killed a few of them in the last couple of months though and a cheap Justock 17.5T came up so i thought why not. Cool video, looking forward to part 2 🙂

@zachkellstadt3134 Ай бұрын

Wow that was awesome tomely your still the only one I watch in rc

@VS666 Ай бұрын

i love my brushless Gorgon, this thing is nuts! It will do standing wheelies from a rolling start everytime. It handles really well for a cheap RTR too. I do want to lock the diffs up a bit though, probably some better tires too

@Triggered-RC Ай бұрын

The Gorgon is a very solid rig. I’m impressed! Haven’t put brushless in mine. Having too much fun on the stick system. However, if I do, I’ll put a 550 brushless motor in to try and avoid modding the chassis. For 540 brushless, the Tamiya TBL motors probably would be a good choice though.

@mathias4891 Ай бұрын

Radio Link esc keep it brushed . If you pop the motor a decent one is 2p . For 40 bucks you can run it 4s BRUSHED and beat it up proper and for cheap

@rab.. Ай бұрын

I feel a Gorgon speed run build coming on for Rossa , Phil !

@TomleyRC Ай бұрын

Haha, maybe!

@allanritchie1539 Ай бұрын

I put a brushless system in my Traxxas Summit, it does 50 on 4s battery and blew the rear diff, crazy what you can do ain't it.😊😊😊

@009ADVENTURES Ай бұрын

fun video that, looking forward to part 2 👍🐿

@machinedred Ай бұрын

🎉my 8s Gorgon is ridiculous 😂

@zacharymoore9023 Ай бұрын

I put a 6500kv motor from a losi drag car in mine and it’s so much fun on 2s, great build love to see the comparisons🔥🔥🔥

@owen8538 Ай бұрын

If you fit brushless combo can you use the 2in 1 esc as receiver only

@SharkysGarageRCandMore Ай бұрын

Awesome project I can't wait to see part 2

@TomleyRC Ай бұрын

Me too haha

@stephenr6427 Ай бұрын

I brought the vantage brushless years ago only went over some tiny jumps about 3 of them and the front end snapped the jumps was only a foot high bit of w part glue fixed that wasn’t a bad car apart from that was an ok toy

@muskokamike127 Ай бұрын

not to be THAT guy (when aren't I? haha) when you up the torque of the motor that means you can also change the pinion/gear ratio to adapt to the more torque. You proved this by wheelieing it easily. They probably used a pinion that was "ok" for torque and "ok" for top speed for a brushless motor. When you converted, you upped the "power" but didn't make full use of that power. That's where I think the engineers are missing the boat on Evs. Sure they give you instant torque and HP but once you get up to speed, they stall out. They just won't spin any faster. What they need to start doing is adding a 2nd gear so the motor is always running at peak efficiency. SO when you're just cruising along, engine isn't taxed BUT it also isn't using excess electricity.

@FlailinMonkey Ай бұрын

Enjoyed the video! That copperhead esc is 4S capable but the KV is too high on that motor to run anything higher than 2S. I'm sure it would be fine once but it will definitely get hot especially if you run it off-road during full summer heat.

@B.K._BerndK. Ай бұрын

Der gorgon ist ein echt cooles Fahrzeug vorallen mit dieser heftigen 7700 kv kombo 🤩😍👍🏻

@DadsRCGaragePNW Ай бұрын

Not gunna lie if you lived closer aka in my state lol we would be best friends. I felt that excitement and that energy when your was hitting 50 mph on 2s. Absolute gold! That right there is what it’s about!!!!

@Vaporfry Ай бұрын

I'm planning on using that combo in a Tamiya BBX, very curious to see how the motor handles 3s.

@YaelLorenzo Ай бұрын

You have to consider that when the size of tire balloon, the outer diameter of the tire is larger. If the motor can keep the torque, the speed in an outer diameter is greater, therefore the car speed increases as well.

@TomleyRC Ай бұрын

The outer speed isn’t faster, it just travels further for the same amount of rotations.. hence the bigger the wheels the faster the speed usually

@YaelLorenzo Ай бұрын

I remembered school lessons on what they called then "physic" and thought of the "radial speed" if that is still a thing 😅 . As you can see your videos make me wonder more on engineering :D

@MudMonsterRacing4 Ай бұрын

We put a 3900kv combo out of an arrma vendetta in ours. It's plenty fast on 2s with a 16t and the motor stays cool so it has plenty of speed to go. Ill have to throw the gps on it. It also fits the chassis without modification. Truck takes it well too. Haven't tried 3s yet 😅

@wordreet Ай бұрын

Torque of the devil? No it hadn't!

@jacquesb5248 Ай бұрын

bloody good conversion! hope that gearbox can handle that power~soon as my wallet agrees i am getting one, speed!

@machinedred Ай бұрын

Hey kids don't hack the chassis ,it's weak ,it needs all its beef to survive ,just buy a 3680 and you've no wire problems

@RAVAGERrules Ай бұрын

I mean I notched mine out and it’s been fine 🤷‍♂️ it’s taken a few pretty bad spills as well. Granted I didn’t WANT to cut into the chassis but I preferred the motor can to be within the chassis footprint

@sharkusd Ай бұрын

Love stock gorgon, but brushless its the way 😂

@TomleyRC Ай бұрын

Haha… yes

@tiggthomas8362 Ай бұрын

Going the all the same with my new gorgon, what a super fun truck, max 10 w spektrum 4s in mine. New purple body otw. The wife stole my gorgon 😅

@jasonwestevans7292 Ай бұрын

God dam fantastic PHIL

@juntti2948 Ай бұрын

That was like building Legos

@benwilson2420 Ай бұрын

Love that new body

@shadyhazza Ай бұрын

haha so, when doing a brushless upgrade, take the physical dimensions and properties of the ESC and motor into account :D is a bit naff that the gorgon doesn't take a 3650

@alanlocklear4951 Ай бұрын

Funny I just put a traxxas vlx3s system in my gorgon only mods needed was longer screws forthe esc and take a small amount of chassis outfox the battery plug

@cooolchevy Ай бұрын

The 7700kv motor is only rated for 2s lipo. A fully charged 4s battery would push that motor to about 130,000 rpm. Wear goggles when you try it!

@TomleyRC Ай бұрын

Yes… sounds like it’s gonna be fun 🙃

@buss1205 Ай бұрын

cant wait to see that BT01 video!!

@skumbria6666 Ай бұрын

Great video, I love crazy conversions 👍

@jonhowland4985 Ай бұрын

Would the 3s system from the infraction be a simple bolt-in upgrade? I see myself getting a 4s setup pretty soon.

@Fantaman900 Ай бұрын

free spinning with no load the low torque motor may be faster but loaded it bogs down way more than the strong motor. To double your top speed you need like 4 or 8 times the power because air. Well I know putting my castle sct set in my lunchbox was going to be crazy and yes a bit much for a lunchbox

@kenmastersmaster Ай бұрын

Under load the brushed slowed down while brushless kept full rpm

@jkof2 Ай бұрын

If you want to move weight,need some torque. If you only want wheel speed,drone motors might be the way to go. Won't move gorgon much,but the wheels will spin 😅

@TomleyRC Ай бұрын

Haha

@chrislang7460 Ай бұрын

You didn't factor resistance in. Mystery solved. More torque from the brushless. You'd need to measure the rpm under load to prove me wrong...

@whiskers762 Ай бұрын

I want a1/10 scale hard body keep Cherokee body with your team colors that would look sick I love the color scheme

@ralphhondaman Ай бұрын

I liked mine at first but i did a spektrum 3900kv motor and 85a esc. It was fun but jumping it sucked. With the torque from the motor i assumed it made it lean left off of jumps a lot. And land funny. When it would jump good it was fun but it wasnt often. Sold mine fully upgraded on Ebay for $200 and bought a Losi LMT.

@boduke9428 Ай бұрын

Never heard of that problem. I have the 100a 4000kv spektrum in mine and it jumps insanely good. Effortless backflips on 3s. Crazy how different folks can experience similar circumstances. My LMT is the last rig I grab to go bash. Seems like it breaks or bends just thinking about jumping. It barely gets driven because it was gonna cost a much as the entire truck just for upgraded axles. I love having a LMT but don't care to drive it much at all.

@ralphhondaman Ай бұрын

Yea it just depends on how you drive. I bash them but am good at driving them too. Been at it for over 20 years. I'm hard on them and all my trucks and cars still look new. But I sold all the 10th scale trucks and went 1/6th scale and 5th scale. All the arrmas are gone and everything I have is pretty much losi. I'm more into the scale driving aspect over bashing anymore. Sending cars over a house isn't fun to me anymore.

@ralphhondaman Ай бұрын

Could of been too because of the size of motor I had which weighed a lot and the motor spacer. The motor stuck out of the chassis a decent amount to that side. But the motor was a torque monster too. 5mm shaft motors make more torque.

@markrizzofield9403 Ай бұрын

What's the square ish reflection on the cam footage on the outside run?

@blasekaauamo756 Ай бұрын

Not sure if the 7700 kv motor can take the 3s let alone the 4s. I had an older castle creations 1st gen sidewinder and a sensorless 7700kv castle motor in a 2wd rustler. It was stupid fast on 2s. Also the box the motor came in said 2s only.