This made me laugh so much, cause literally i was talking about this on stream last week hahahaha

I think this gonna happen to me when I will unlock the lvl 3 space elevator. 👍🏻

haha, yeh it was a crazy one!

Good question and it one i get all the time.. Wet Concrete is a good solution, but also plastic from the HOR that is making the scrap. You will find out next Video :)

Packaging does have a few uses: 1. It is not possible for a train's overall throughput to exceed the combined input/output throughput of its individual stations (because if it did, then it would be transporting items or fluid faster than you can stuff them into the input side or remove them from the output side, and that wouldn't make sense - you would just end up transporting partially empty cars instead). Each fluid freight platform has an input/output throughput of 1200 m3/s, but each regular freight platform has a throughput of 1560 items/s (using both inputs in both cases). So items are easier to transport. 2. A train's throughput is also constrained by the quantity of material that can be carried in each freight car, which in practice tends to be the real bottleneck for long train lines (but maybe not for very short ones). Fluid freight cars carry 1600 m3 of fluid, but regular freight cars carry 32 stacks of any item. Since packaged fluids stack to 100, that means you can carry twice as much fluid when it is packaged. 3. Packaged fluids can be mixed with other items, but unpacked fluids cannot be mixed. Mixed lines are controversial, and not everybody uses them, but they are feasible when planned with appropriate care and understanding of the limitations (most importantly: Every mixed item line must eventually terminate at an AWESOME sink, preferably using a smart sorter in "overflow" mode so that items are only sunk when they have nowhere else to go). This is probably most applicable to fluids that tend to be used in smaller quantities, such as heavy oil residue or nitric acid. 4. You can unlock packaged diluted fuel much earlier than diluted fuel; the latter requires the blender, but the former can be done in a refinery. Diluted fuel is a significant improvement over the regular fuel and residual fuel recipes, and it retains this advantage even when you account for the plastic that must be produced to package the water and fuel (those packages are reusable, after all). 5. You can lift packaged fluids for free, but pipeline pumps consume power. However, packaging and unpackaging also uses power, so this is only worth it for very great heights (in most cases) and never worth it for nitrogen gas (which does not need to be pumped). 6. Drones and trucks, I guess. Maybe drones are worth it for transport of nitric and/or sulfuric acid? Depends on what your logistics look like and whether you can reasonably fill a train with those things... You also need batteries or fuel, so this requires more careful consideration than just plopping down a train line. OTOH, plopping down a train line is actually quite a lot of work for longer distances.

@@NYKevin100 To add on the the second point, once you unlock Mk 5 belts you can also move packaged liquids at a much faster rate than through Mk 2 pipes. So that means that not only can the cars move twice as much packaged liquids but it can unload them at 1,560/min on Mk 5 belts rather than 1,200/min with Mk 2 Pipes.

@@NYKevin100 that is some good math you got. probably wins most arguments for you. but the flaw in your logic is that your not taking in account of the number of resources at any given location. you would have to combine fluids from multiple locations just to get close to making packaging worth over pipes. And your assuming people spend the first 30 hours of their game tracking down hard drives to get alt recipe to get packaged diluted fuel and diluted fuel. I never had both of those items in my frist play though cause i never went hard drive hunting. So i still dont see how packaging is worth the time and effort over running straight pipes unless you want to do it for flavor only.

@@NYKevin100 don't forget the 30 second load and unload pause during the animation. It changes the math a little and makes it impossible to get 1200m³ of 1560ppm per station even if you buffer it. Weird that a medium length track can actually haul more per minute average than a short track but that is how the math works out.

Yeh my phrasing was off, there.. Thats why i mentioned the keybind shortly after to metion that

Welcome to Satisfactory and thanks for enjoying the content!! Haha the flex, gotta be different

Dude borrow all you like, i just dont want it back, you can have it hahaha.. Glad it helped

@@ItsBitz 🤣🤣 taking what I've learned from the rail system I just made an awesome hypertube tunnel it isn't much but the fact I made it with a little inspiration from imkibitz's idea from his season 4 playthrough is a major milestone for me lmao keep up the great content bud!

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Maybe one day, they did talk about this on the Dev Stream

Thanks man, alot more to come for that satisfaction!

Thanks

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You fell for Bitz's trap Edit: ok so if you didn't know Bitz made the trains drive on the left side so he gets more comments like yours for the algorithm. Also because he is from Britain.

@@vcand007 hence the ;p And I'm fine commenting dumb crap to help out Bitz

Shhhhh dont tell them all my secrets hahahaha.. But see it works haha

Both methods are technically correct. The method you describe is called "load balancing" where in each resource gets split evenly to each machine. His setup is known as "manifold" where in each building needs filled one by one. Both are equally as efficient. It's a question of logistics, aesthetics and space.

@@bonghitsforjesus8484 ight that makes sense, ty for the info

Thank you! Cheers!

Hopefully they are worth it, cause they for sure take a while to build!

@@ItsBitz yes i enjoy with the series thx for all hard work u do

hahaha true

You're generally right. To my understanding, packaging and unpacking fluid is seldom useful outside of 3 use cases: 1) Diluted packaged fuel is a great recipe before you can unlock the blender. 2) most packaged fluids stack to 100 and contain 1m3 or fluid. This means a full rail car of packaged fluid (32 stacks) holds double the fluid than if it's stored as a liquid (1600 m3). Nitrogen gas, though, uses 4m3 per package, so it's 8x more space-efficient to transport it in packages. 3) if you are transporting fluids vertically, it can (very rarely) be more energy efficient to package the fluid and lift it with belts than pumps. This needs a minimum lift distance of 240m (60 walls) to be worthwhile though.

Power is not something im worried about, hence why i use so many powershards.. i have two Mega-Powerplants to build, which are coming SoonTM

@@ItsBitz I figured. I honestly was thinking a few weeks ago about hey what if I package stuff like we do IRL? Then I looked my power cap and logged out. Maybe another time. 🤣

It's a great way to get rid of excess fluids so factories don't get backed up.

Yep Excatly like bisbis said,its a mod that helps me and saves time going backwards and forwards to the storage on the livestreams to get builds done a little quicker instead of travelling a minimum of 1 hour a day on the livestream 5 days a week and i can use that 5 hours wasted pushing the next video out

Thanks man!

We dont talk about it, i had 1 hour 45 minutes to record this before stream hahaha

Hahaha Just released!

@@ItsBitz I knew it! I just felt it.

Hell yeh brother!

Its a good point, its also the same reason i did not extend the train station further and have the empty packages load onto the train when they unload the water bottles... It only occured to me when everything was built and the episode was already finalised, so more then likly in the future this will change.

We all have an uncle called bob.. If not, that person you speak you speak to when you talk to yourself thats him! Bobs your uncle hahaha

@@ItsBitz Alright then, let's keep calling him Bob then. Do you think he minds if I say his name backwards?

Not yet, you need Aluminium Sheets to unlock MK5 Belts and that the current project endgoal