Kunal Shah in conversation with Shreyas Doshi | CRED curious

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Shreyas Doshi (formerly product lead at Stripe, Twitter, Google, Yahoo) sits down with Kunal Shah to share ideas about what makes talent world-class.
Branding himself an ‘accidental writer’, Shreyas’ journey has transitioned into consulting with companies, coaching professionals and writing about his insights on social media.
With shared curiosities about managing a product, the two delve into second order thinking, natural talent versus hard work, elevating quality, and the traits and patterns that make a good product thinker.
After all, when innate judgment is countered with metrics, product thinking becomes both an art and a science.
Chapters:
00:00 - Session opening
02:58 - An overview of Shreyas’ journey
07:40 - Saturation point of social media validation
13:50 - Four factors of success
15:33 - Shreyas’ view on what makes a great product manager
24:02 - Kunal’s view on what it takes to be world-class
29:35 - Measuring product decisions with data
35:56 - Question and answer session
36:02 - Can a project manager transition to product manager with hard work?
40:08 - Non-intuitive traits in product thinkers
47:00 - Shreyas’ experience of consulting with Indian companies
49:37 - Concrete accelerants to get better as a product leader
1:01:03 - Audience questions
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@shrikarmadhu2776
@shrikarmadhu2776 Жыл бұрын
Its really nice to hear how the entire conversation was down to the basics! Keeping it simple and iterating constantly was something that could be taken away.
@sanjeevwork8115
@sanjeevwork8115 Жыл бұрын
The problem is if say things what Shreyas has just spoken in PM interviews, you'll not be selected 90% of the times.
@teafit
@teafit Жыл бұрын
Dazzling everyone with simplifying complex concept - way to go Kunal. ❤
@srikarsuresh
@srikarsuresh Жыл бұрын
Incredible conversation! Kunal Shah and Shreyas Doshi really hit the nail on the head when it comes to managing a product. Their discussion on second-order thinking, the balance between natural talent and hard work, elevating quality and the traits of a good product thinker was truly insightful. Thank you for sharing this video, it has left me with so much food for thought.
@AnkitG12
@AnkitG12 9 ай бұрын
Great conversation .Loved the mindset Shreyas Doshi caries . So many lessons.
@fabstergv
@fabstergv Жыл бұрын
This is the exact video I was looking for. Very high quality discussion. Thanks a lot.
@no-one-someone-1
@no-one-someone-1 Жыл бұрын
feels so good when peeps talk on the same or above the bandwidth of how you think.
@ashutoshsahu5567
@ashutoshsahu5567 Жыл бұрын
Love too see Mahendra Singh dhoni on cred curious .....
@omkarsurve1973
@omkarsurve1973 Жыл бұрын
This is must for product managers
@aapkaash
@aapkaash Жыл бұрын
Loved it! Keep them coming.
@thecash.youtube
@thecash.youtube Жыл бұрын
Wow, that's truly an astonishing and captivating conversation! I'm deeply moved and it has sparked new thoughts and questions. Especially about the power of things that are beyond explanation. Kudos to the entire team at Cred!
@isequalto_klasses
@isequalto_klasses Жыл бұрын
truth bombs ☺️ 11:27 if it feels good it's not good for you 22:04 natural talent 26:17 alpha doesn't come from common knowledge 29:29 compunding nature of knowledge 40:10 resumes as prisons 44:15 curiosity, performance arts, strategy games, brain processing power, shamelessness 52:30 liabilities to non liabilities 53:40 embrace your learning style 55:55 love for the craft 56:36 thinking about your craft in free time 57:38 learning machines 1:01:35 want son to identify his calling by pursuing joy 1:10:11 employee having a founder mindset 1:12:19 difference between happy and happier
@vigneshiyer1882
@vigneshiyer1882 Жыл бұрын
I loved the analogy of RRR with A/B testing.. Kunal was in super form !
@Laxmisaagar1
@Laxmisaagar1 Жыл бұрын
what products Shreyas launched during his career ? not questioning, trying to find out. anyone has any idea ?
@thepmlab
@thepmlab Жыл бұрын
Hey!! You guys are doing great work. Can a college student someone like me attend CRED curious podcast live ? If yes, what's the process of registering it??
@tejeswarreddytadi3289
@tejeswarreddytadi3289 Жыл бұрын
Unfortunately I haven't got a chance to be around skillful people, There is no regret, I am watching this super episodes from #Cred curious. Thanks Kunal !!
@rb300tzp
@rb300tzp Жыл бұрын
Points: you don't have to be worldclass. Being good at something would also do the job. Being great would put you in the top 5%. So hardwork & passion works 👍
@kvs819
@kvs819 Жыл бұрын
Also don't chase for happier if you are happy
@baidantikamandal403
@baidantikamandal403 Жыл бұрын
Hey Kunal can you talk more about instinct navigation? The topic that you mentioned in traits section, like how does one convince that you have this gravelling instinct and it should be executed upon, or best yet how to sell yourself as a person who has a great instinct, because 1. How can you prove that? 2. Why should someone take that risk with you ( lets say as an employee or as a job interviewer )
@yannnk
@yannnk Жыл бұрын
Dear editors. Your intro / outro music volume is much more than the main audio. users on earphones or headphones tune up the volume to max for vocals and the loud music all of a sudden just hurts.
@tejasmirpagar9516
@tejasmirpagar9516 Жыл бұрын
What we have to do, to be a part of this interview
@mrlfcynwa
@mrlfcynwa Жыл бұрын
That was a really average conversation tbh. The analogy of measuring a product KPI vs measuring how you are as a partner has so many logical fallacies. You SHOULD measure everything in the product world where the data is ‘available’ , the decision can be data informed or data driven, but it always has to be coupled with domain knowledge and intuition. Data guides your decisions, doesn’t override it.
@NitinSingh-ll3pd
@NitinSingh-ll3pd Жыл бұрын
- as always kunal sir you are awesome, i know you don't read comments but admiring you, I do for myself that if something good do's in India, then it feel's my reasponsibilty to prasie them, don't know why but I do - and 2nd thing i would like to see Vala Afsar on one of these chairs - just curious to know him
@chandrasekhar-es7et
@chandrasekhar-es7et Жыл бұрын
to the person who is editing, please adjust the volume of music and the individual's music to the same level. i got an ear pain when entering and exiting the video
@pranayk37
@pranayk37 Жыл бұрын
There’s a little bit of power flex/ struggle that I notice in this conversation. The body language of both is set up to show how I’m the more powerful one on the stage.. 😂
@Md_sadiq_Md
@Md_sadiq_Md Жыл бұрын
Pushing the algorithm ❤️
@madhavsai8391
@madhavsai8391 Жыл бұрын
I want to attend these, in person, very badly @cred !! I literally live 200m away from CRED office in Indiranagar 😐
@prayaanshmehta3200
@prayaanshmehta3200 5 күн бұрын
2:58 shreyas intro 7:40 when do people get past social media validation? 13:50 most important success factor? 17:50 “always evaluating” -18:40 -24:40 29:35 data “metrics of product quality?” (apple pie position) - a position that you take that is hard to argue against for someone -real judgement lies in what to measure, and what not to 36:00 project management to PM? -36:47 38:40 40:08 47:08 49:55 1:03:07 stripe, patrick collins 1:07:30
@Lucky-yt4cd
@Lucky-yt4cd Жыл бұрын
Am I the only one who felt there is just too much awkwardness in the whole Convo? I like the way Kunal asks, seeing Shreyas coming up with a counter and his slow approach of answering questions nobody asked is bit of weird.
@shreyaagrawal2572
@shreyaagrawal2572 6 ай бұрын
How can we attend this session ?
@ajitnandakumar
@ajitnandakumar Жыл бұрын
1:09:00 I can relate so much. I am used to thinking the same way.
@kishanpandey2912
@kishanpandey2912 Жыл бұрын
Reminded me of the book "BLINK" by Malcolm Gladwell
@desireprime.
@desireprime. Жыл бұрын
This is Pure Gold 🪙
@prajithreddy568
@prajithreddy568 Жыл бұрын
47:10 You find more people in india who are yes-men, they need instructions to work. I saw many threads on reddit where people when asked to comment about indian employees, many complained about the same thing. They do whatever the boss says diligently without questioning even if there was a mistake. They continue doing the things without taking the initiative and correcting the mistake. Hence I think we need more people who manage employees hence more product managers.
@rayelipratheek
@rayelipratheek Жыл бұрын
Anyone who made any notes of key points please share it!
@Sekharhimansu
@Sekharhimansu Жыл бұрын
Where this is happening?? I want to attend
@ivinitmittal
@ivinitmittal Жыл бұрын
Dude, how do I attend these sessions in person?!
@ArunKharel
@ArunKharel Жыл бұрын
Is it just me or everyone can exactly relates to sheryash about the thoughts he exactly has....I mean thats how I feel and trying to make it as the most lazy ass guy to make it in life with day trading because I need money to hire good people
@deepeshkhiyani6701
@deepeshkhiyani6701 Жыл бұрын
How to attend these events?
@mohammedsohail5415
@mohammedsohail5415 Жыл бұрын
how to attend cred curious?
@vaishakh3
@vaishakh3 Жыл бұрын
Kunal please start a manufacturing company that manufactures say solar cells , with a value creation of 1 billion dollars instead of companies with a valuation of 1 billion dollars. Then I'm gonna respect you
@Anishk21
@Anishk21 Жыл бұрын
He doesn't need your respect. Firstly do something then advice
@vaishakh3
@vaishakh3 Жыл бұрын
@@Anishk21 not doing anything is still better than burning VC money, on a worthless company that was bought for leesser than sold.
@Anishk21
@Anishk21 Жыл бұрын
@@vaishakh3 XD
@sayankundu2092
@sayankundu2092 Жыл бұрын
@@vaishakh3 cope xD
@LuckyBeingAlive
@LuckyBeingAlive Жыл бұрын
Always insightful ❤️✌️
@mandarsalunkhe09
@mandarsalunkhe09 Жыл бұрын
Paras chopra is in audience, bring him next time for a talk
@pmboggie
@pmboggie 10 ай бұрын
@shreyas Doshi, at one point you mentioned that one should contentiously look out for the craft, and should be working on that if they want to achieve it and on the other hand you said the hardwork isn't going to help you. Can you shed some more light, how is it possible? I mean a person can't work on his craft without hardwork. My definition of hardwork is to put in more efforts than the usual one.
@Dee14444
@Dee14444 Жыл бұрын
InCREDulous
@ShreyashPatil1811
@ShreyashPatil1811 Жыл бұрын
Akshat Shrivastava ji nazar nahi aa rahe comment section me.
@_74y
@_74y Жыл бұрын
57:04 (pre-context) 57:37 Truth bomb about work-life balance
@ajitnandakumar
@ajitnandakumar Жыл бұрын
IMO, Second order thinking comes well to those who care a lot about consequences.
@apoorv1441
@apoorv1441 Жыл бұрын
so what was meant to say, if its born talent should i stop trying new things that iam interested in but maybe they dont align with my intelligence ?
@QUIZSIDE7
@QUIZSIDE7 Жыл бұрын
It always learning episode. kunal shah you are great brings us knowledge thanks all you doo for usss
@sapnaibrahim240
@sapnaibrahim240 Жыл бұрын
Who is he?
@vivekpandey8726
@vivekpandey8726 Жыл бұрын
What is pm…..?
@meastroabhishek
@meastroabhishek Жыл бұрын
This is to update to all people using cred, to stop using the same app. Its a scam. It talks about been a credit card payment portal. We had an instance where we paid credit card amount through cred and it didn’t get credited to the credit card and the money is lost. Cred is not taking any responsibility for it and it was a big cc bill which cred just ate up.
@aashayzanpure4248
@aashayzanpure4248 Жыл бұрын
Gold Stuff
@vittalpatil8067
@vittalpatil8067 Жыл бұрын
Kunal brother 👑
@sekhsohail9446
@sekhsohail9446 Жыл бұрын
Sir please make a video in Hindi 🙏
@ArexGame123
@ArexGame123 Жыл бұрын
Aren't those chairs wierd?
@khushityagi2468
@khushityagi2468 Жыл бұрын
They are..
@vigneshmoorthy6047
@vigneshmoorthy6047 Жыл бұрын
Same like the CRED app. Visually stunning, practically foolish & gimmicky.
@rajavijayach
@rajavijayach Жыл бұрын
@@vigneshmoorthy6047 Kunal Shah seemed pretty comfortable in that. Eg 1:07:02
@koshyfeby
@koshyfeby Жыл бұрын
@@vigneshmoorthy6047 i think you are not his target customer.
@rameshmathad
@rameshmathad Жыл бұрын
Kunal Shah should come to shark tank( at least in third season) he will prove to be more interesting than doglapan
@captainakki
@captainakki 7 ай бұрын
can we please wear shoes?
@AashayAgrawal
@AashayAgrawal Жыл бұрын
16:06 is he paras chopra?
@dhenugupta4723
@dhenugupta4723 Жыл бұрын
kunal your videos right now might have low viewership but gradually people are going to have a shift in a decade ..when social media would be an outdated concept ...right now its new hence no one is realising how bad it is for our lives...
@ankkkitkumar
@ankkkitkumar Жыл бұрын
Video no.81
@aryansaxena4559
@aryansaxena4559 Жыл бұрын
"Grit"
@ashshettyvlogs3220
@ashshettyvlogs3220 2 ай бұрын
I don't agree with the luck or natural gift or working hard as factors to be a great PM - i believe its level of awareness, the kind of people you're exposed to and the level of involvement in what you do. Interesting takeways: - think about your self differentiator when you climb higher in ur career - Convert your liabilities to non liabilities - Identify your learning style - be it reading or applying in real life - Look answers for yourself and not for others Am curious on the healthy PM ratio - possible to get insights on how different 1:3 PMs vs 1:8 PMs? + and - side of each ratio? why this difference exists in the 1st place?
@jordiibrahim
@jordiibrahim Жыл бұрын
Shreya is often in the apple pie position
@nirajkadam6175
@nirajkadam6175 Жыл бұрын
What it takes to be there listening live
@hariprasadd4523
@hariprasadd4523 Жыл бұрын
Anybody have an update
@prakashiyer4028
@prakashiyer4028 Жыл бұрын
@@hariprasadd4523 they always share the form on linked in for external audiences just follow on linked in or have a few folks from CRED in your linkedin network easy
@hussainlemonwala7358
@hussainlemonwala7358 Жыл бұрын
please bring Anand Gandhi back
@Kayash_Kino
@Kayash_Kino Жыл бұрын
Only fore CRED users
@jaiminbajaj
@jaiminbajaj Жыл бұрын
What stupid conversation, if Shreyas has so great natural talent, he might as well start a company and build the next Facebook!
@desireprime.
@desireprime. Жыл бұрын
Kunal Lord 🛐
@kyachannelhey5895
@kyachannelhey5895 Жыл бұрын
Why??
@Md_sadiq_Md
@Md_sadiq_Md Жыл бұрын
He is an excellent Entrepreneur That's it
@irig8475
@irig8475 Жыл бұрын
That is the thing ye bhadwe bhagwan bana lete hai, bhai cred ko profitable hone de fir bana lena bhagwan xd
@kyachannelhey5895
@kyachannelhey5895 Жыл бұрын
@@Md_sadiq_Md 100% Agreed
@napoleon9176
@napoleon9176 Жыл бұрын
@@kyachannelhey5895 bcoz he gave us so many insights about how the world works
@Sam-nx6mo
@Sam-nx6mo Жыл бұрын
Ye talk thodi high level wali thi…….. anyone else also felt same ?
@NitinSingh-ll3pd
@NitinSingh-ll3pd Жыл бұрын
- no, it all basic - the world around you look like complex but it actually simple - you should work for the sake of joy, becomes curioser and curiosser day by day whatever you are doing........ - life your life by exploring every opportunity you have to explore,.just simple
@Sam-nx6mo
@Sam-nx6mo Жыл бұрын
By high level I meant it was deep.
@Sam69555
@Sam69555 Жыл бұрын
Can anyone from you help me please I'm stuck at a minor problem in my life Actually I'm feeling bored and unproductive at my 1st year of college, I don't have any interest in college, or studies so feeling kind of depressed from few months (DU,Bcom)
@dhwanishah1710
@dhwanishah1710 Жыл бұрын
Which world cup is he talking about?
@btechfishwala
@btechfishwala Жыл бұрын
may be foodball
@sunybelongstosanu
@sunybelongstosanu Жыл бұрын
10:00 This fucking thing happens to me daily on WhatsApp... Such a suckeed up human being I fuckin am... Though I hate this irrational madness deep down I still can't avoid it
@LostMonk679
@LostMonk679 Жыл бұрын
32:30
@joeruiz7817
@joeruiz7817 Жыл бұрын
Why is he so angry? 😂 Classic dad material for Russell Peters - 53:45 😊
@AshishKumar-qe4hq
@AshishKumar-qe4hq Жыл бұрын
In microwave measurements are relative and that's why we use S parameters 😂
@prasadchaudhari7101
@prasadchaudhari7101 Жыл бұрын
Kunal sir I request you to go to Sandeep Maheshwari Show. We will get a lot of learnings from your the conversation
@betterliving8698
@betterliving8698 Жыл бұрын
Shreyas is cringy and so difficult to listen to. Kunal is brilliant as usual :)
@manavshah3732
@manavshah3732 Жыл бұрын
Kunal Bhai baniyo ka naam mat Dubao profit pe dhyaan de do
@shirishgone9405
@shirishgone9405 Жыл бұрын
Totally useless conversations and Kunal generally doesn't take negative feedback, so happy get blocked here. But its useless for any startup founder. going by whims is not a scientific way to build products.
@sompurashvetayogesh8947
@sompurashvetayogesh8947 Жыл бұрын
There's no scientific way in start-up from 0 to 1 phase once you have fingering out product market fit. Then u have get scientific way to how to scale build system and process and scale 1 to 10 and 10 to 100. 0 to 1 is art.
@sriramabhaktahanuma
@sriramabhaktahanuma Жыл бұрын
​@@sompurashvetayogesh8947 I don't think it is unscientific. 0 to 1 can/must be taken scientifically by creating experiments and checking hypotheses to help in building better product to the choosen market. It is based on customer needs sometimes apparent & sometimes not. Surely shooting in the dark is unscientific.
@vaishakh3
@vaishakh3 Жыл бұрын
If some founder , say nithin speaks against raising VC money , Kunal comes to defend it, coz he's self obsessed, instead of respecting the views of the other person
@UnbiasedBayasan
@UnbiasedBayasan Жыл бұрын
True
@jaiminbajaj
@jaiminbajaj Жыл бұрын
Amazon became Amazon because they measure everything and take data based decisions across the entire organisation, not sure what these blokes are talking about 😅
@heohful
@heohful Жыл бұрын
Extremely boring. One of the worst CRED curious.
@ameesh-primeshah5504
@ameesh-primeshah5504 Жыл бұрын
Super boring speaker
@onetwokaafour
@onetwokaafour 3 ай бұрын
2x is your friend
@branzusgalarieo1574
@branzusgalarieo1574 Жыл бұрын
Kunal chappal pahenta hai
@ashhh7995
@ashhh7995 Жыл бұрын
Call mc stan to your podcast bro
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