The creator is rolling in his bed at night knowing someones dares to say anything other than "best mod ever made by any human being"
@the1andonlydrmixxel Жыл бұрын
@@RGC_animation That's... the whole point of the comment. That is the joke here. Bruh.
@erikandnooby3632 Жыл бұрын
@@RGC_animation r/wooosh
@boom350ph Жыл бұрын
@@the1andonlydrmixxel dammit he deleted comment
@crizim Жыл бұрын
goodpea literally calls you skill issue when you criticize his mod lol. man's a 7 year old
@TheRandomTitan Жыл бұрын
@@boom350ph what did he say?
@boxo782 жыл бұрын
This is nothing compared to the monstrosity that the warp parties are One thing to mention, plants don't have to be balanced by use rate. Some plants are only good in niche situations and that's totally fine. Eclise tries to compensate that by making lots of niche levels which gets annoying at some point, because you are forced to pick specific plants instead of choosing the niche ones on your own will.
@dylantoney69712 жыл бұрын
rRght? Why can't I see a large niche and pick my favorite strong comp that fits it rather than getting shoehorned into some garbage I didn't play PvZ for?
@hatster401 Жыл бұрын
i do kind of like that the game forces you to use plants you wouldnt otherwise use, but it goes a little far
@SirMendez Жыл бұрын
There is an specific level that took me hours.... why?? I played no defense plants to make the game more challenging, but I'm new to the game and I don't know how plants works in this game and that level require using some specific plants yes or yes, and I don't like that
@RGC_animation Жыл бұрын
Warp Parties are made by people who hate PvZ players and want to induce as much suffering as possible.
@mortmortington240 Жыл бұрын
i like warp parties as a concept and do like some of them as levels
@MooseChicken Жыл бұрын
I literally had to consult the wiki to beat levels in Eclise because I just had absolutely no idea what to do.
@fabiaaquino2207 Жыл бұрын
@@SnaksiXD yeah that pretty true yea,true,pretty true,anyways,pvzh is still underrated.
@neevko267 Жыл бұрын
@@fabiaaquino2207 based
@aseldesu Жыл бұрын
The discord is upsettingly elitist
@AreesDaOG Жыл бұрын
@@aseldesu a lot of pvz servers are unfortunately
@11epicnoob Жыл бұрын
What does eclise even mean?
@BaronB.BlazikenBaronOfBarons Жыл бұрын
The sad thing is, I feel the original PvZ2 did this better. It first have a conveyer level with the new plant in the selection pool, then it would be a required pick for the next one, so you could see how it would go with your current strategy. Maybe some other levels were thrown in, but that was the basic setup. Meanwhile, zombies were usually introduced by themselves, or when the player just got the plant that counters them. Plus, the dialogue between Dave and Penny before a level starts informed you about the Plant/Zombie you were about to encounter. That feels much better designed than what’s going on here.
@mutiiYT Жыл бұрын
Honestly i think you are right
@ShiaTheBunnyGirl Жыл бұрын
For a good game that has horrid side modes, vanilla sure does a good enough job introducing plants and zombies.
@Telogor Жыл бұрын
I hate vanilla PvZ2 putting new plants on conveyor belts, because you literally can't access the almanac to find out what the heck they do without exiting the level entirely.
@awesomehazimex7410 Жыл бұрын
@Op-gogo besides doesn't Penny and Dave say something before the conveyor level about the new plants
@Hugo-yz1vb Жыл бұрын
@@Telogor No thanks
@sekibankilover Жыл бұрын
I wish that Eclise eventually realises on how to introduce plants like PvZ1 instead of making an entire level based around this one plant and one plant only.
@ConfusionUwU Жыл бұрын
Which is exactly what pvz1 did?
@aaroncuameaalvarez3893 Жыл бұрын
Pvz1 does it well in many ways, puff shrooms are introduced right before the player has to deal with night time where sun is more limited, you get the threepeater in the pool where it excells the most, etc. Most of other plants like garlic and coffee bean are given late but they are mostly designed for the player to figure them out by themselves without forcing them to use them at all, So they can have fun with them.
@aaroncuameaalvarez3893 Жыл бұрын
Even vanilla pvz2 does it well too, like when youre introduced to the magnifying grass and the shadow plants, neither are necesary but the game gives you a chance to use them for a bit before you can keep making progress at your own pace.
@ConfusionUwU Жыл бұрын
@@aaroncuameaalvarez3893 That’s also the exact reason why so many pvz1 plants are unused, for example a lot of people think starfruit is bad because it doesn’t attack in its own lane. Scaredy-shroom is another example. Just because eclise poorly made the intro levels doesn’t mean that intro levels are bad in general
@buzzlightyearpfp7641 Жыл бұрын
@@ConfusionUwU pvz does it in a soft way.
@melindamuller4466 Жыл бұрын
In Eclise, I always end up with one or two sunproducers, one singular "turret" and then just stall and instakills.
@SnaksiXD Жыл бұрын
"Bro it's so easy. Just plant more flowers while the zombies are overwhelming you!" - A GP2 Dickslurping All-Star
@justsomeguy7080 Жыл бұрын
@@SnaksiXD "Bro the level starting with a gargantuar is so fun" - a gp2 dick gobbler 3000 discord mod (also known as locke gp2's suggar daddy)
@B1g_B0sssss Жыл бұрын
@@SnaksiXD "dickslurping" isn't that sexist and homophobic?
@mystrallsnowlight Жыл бұрын
Sunflower Primal Sunflower T2 Threepeater Potato Mines Stallaria [More Stall or Cheap 'turret] totally related
@marz9487 Жыл бұрын
I can just hear DT saying how that's actually the player's fault for being bad and not the game's fault for being designed poorly
@gaidencastro9706 Жыл бұрын
Maybe an Eclise tier list should be a graph with two spectrums: How situationally a plant is used, and how well it excells in those situations.
@gaidencastro9706 Жыл бұрын
Dusk used to deal 3x3 splash damage, but it got reworked and now it can't counter ferrets
@OO-nn3ny2 жыл бұрын
I haven't played eclise alpha(the last version I played was eclise beta 1.9), but man, the game seemed to have been redesigned for the worse(like from not bothering with intros to blundering intros of plants & zombies), with mint system and other downgrades.
@therealcactoos9457 Жыл бұрын
Like even the title is appropriate! It devolved.
@mikadosannoji553 Жыл бұрын
original pvz2 looks better than this
@SomeGrunt_On_Youtube Жыл бұрын
I couldn’t beat one of the levels on ancient Egypt without looking at a video
@ShiaTheBunnyGirl Жыл бұрын
@@mikadosannoji553 Honestly with how bad alpha has been looking for eclise, I’m thinking of sticking with vanilla. It’s not the most balanced but it’s fun and doesn’t require me to look up the solution (Yes, even big wave beach. Just use infinut and rotobagga)
@draglorr5578 Жыл бұрын
@@mikadosannoji553 Sadly it kind of does. When an ad-riddled medicorely (and sometimes kind of unfair) microtransaction filled version that has none of the extra time or content dumped into it somehow looks *BETTER* than a heavily worked on mod that adds lots, you would really think they would think they know they screwed up.
@SniperPlayer1515vr Жыл бұрын
Playing Eclise, I just wanted something like PVZ1 with more challenge. At a certain point of knowledge the original could be beaten with both eyes closed. I wanted more challenge, more plants to fiddle with, something to engage me. For the most part, Eclise did that. A lot of its early levels were challenging but not impossible to complete. A few times I cheated and used a video, which is vindictive of what soon came. As my casual friend put it: "It just seems like the game spams you with a ton of annoying zombies and you just have to pray." Garg spam, wizard spam, octo spam, all memories from my brain via the mod. I think, like you say in the video, it would be great idea if levels were put as challenges. Where the obvious answer is to use the plant you just unlocked, but it isn't your only answer. With enough knowledge of the game and skill in your strategy, you could make your own solution. Lastly if anyone seeing this has mod suggestions like what I'm after (a more challenging typical pvz experience), please let me know in a reply. Balance is of no concern to me
@NeoBing Жыл бұрын
i think a mod like shallow would work well for you, it's quite slow, uses a 25 sun meta and doesn't really spam zombies.
@RenShinomiya121 Жыл бұрын
I suggest playing Reflourished, it's just PvZ2 but improved. New levels instead of reworking all the base games, 2 new worlds and overall more challenging approach to the newly added levels, but is still casually accessible.
@soldaeternidade Жыл бұрын
Well, if you want a PvZ2 mod i could recommend Reflourished. Which is both a good experience for veterans and good for casuals. Or if you are actually willing to play a PvZ1 mod. Play PvZ Plus/Hard Mode or the even harder versions. Brutal Mode, Brutal Mode EX or Brutal Mode EX Plus. (Very creative names). They're PvZ 1 Mods which revisits the entire games, reworks almost all plants and makes the overall game hard (PvZ Plus/Hard Mode is hard but a tiny bit fair, the other ones... They're not meant to be fair, so play them at your own risk or just do as i do, watch youtubers suffer instead of suffering myself lol)
@jart19848 ай бұрын
Funny thing is that someone had literally beat pvz1 blindfolded lol
@Stevvvvv8 ай бұрын
@@soldaeternidadeDoes PVZ 2 Reflourished has 25 sun meta? Just askin'
@RGC_animation Жыл бұрын
Thank you, someone who isn't just worshipping Eclise blindly!
@RaphielShiraha64 Жыл бұрын
To be fair most people that did that was with early versions and before the entire drama started happening.
@mrluthfians01 Жыл бұрын
@@RaphielShiraha64 what drama
@puppytree6343 Жыл бұрын
@ Raphael and to be even more fair a huge amount of previous fans are aware of eclises sh*t, I even typed in “pvz eclipse” and immediately got “pvz eclise bad” I hope that continues
@CoralReaper707 Жыл бұрын
Eclise was always bad We just gaslit ourselves into thinking it was ever good
@hawiebarrientos6369 Жыл бұрын
Imagine locking the other plants tiering system considering that they are already hard to upgrade due to the lack of coins early game
@alphabeta3528 Жыл бұрын
In my vanila f2p run, I saved up to upgrade my fire peashooter to level 4 and the games get wayyy easier afterwards
@Hugo-yz1vb Жыл бұрын
@@alphabeta3528 I already beated the game so I'm side questing in life
@elfbeaned Жыл бұрын
It is to give reasons to play side quests. Idk if it is worth it
@hawiebarrientos6369 Жыл бұрын
@@elfbeaned thats kinda fvcked up if you think putting it in a side quest is a good idea considering the difficulties placed behind those quests, might as well do the hard ones on the campaign rather than finishing the quests where you only need the tiering of that certain plant
@elfbeaned Жыл бұрын
@@hawiebarrientos6369 where on this Earth are you on? Side quest levels consists most puzzle levels, you don't even need tierings to play. Ofc, I amnot favored of tierlock, but criticising it by extremely way is just a sort of immature. In the adventure I actually hate levels like 12-6 and 19-8 or some levels that is pure spam pumpkin and hurrikale. Most levels are actually fine to me, they include the element of surprise. If you think that surprise is annoying or a sign of bad level design, then just... screw you. Stop playing while complaining that much
@stevey1659 Жыл бұрын
Alpha 4 just came out and from the looks of it, it sucks. So far, I've been liking the first 3 worlds of Eclise Alpha, but now I look at this, I feel like I should just mod this mod. They also removed training room and some costumes :>
@somerobloxdude3699 Жыл бұрын
Costumes added alot of charm to the plants so that sucks
@AJgaming-ce1ln Жыл бұрын
@@somerobloxdude3699 not really.
@RGC_animation Жыл бұрын
Well guess I'm not downloading Eclise Alpha 4
@stevey1659 Жыл бұрын
@@RGC_animation It was just meant by look, not by play. I was just judging based on appearance. Yes they did remove training room and costumes but its your choice, not mine
@RGC_animation Жыл бұрын
@@stevey1659 But do the new updates outweigh the removed ones? Like what did they add? Because Training Room and Costumes are kinda a big thing.
@gittattle Жыл бұрын
The creator of this mod made another mod called Grind Thousand aka GT000. This mod has a lot of the same problems as eclise, not properly teaching the player about new mechanics, and being incredibly unbalanced. Also you don't unlock plants from beating levels. You have to grind coins to unlock nearly any of the plants with the exception of the plants you get from the start. most of the plants cost way too much son, or are incredibly difficult to get. For example: winter melon costs 700 sun in a 25 sun meta. This means you have to collect 28 sun just for one plant that was nerfed
@ShiaTheBunnyGirl Жыл бұрын
WHO WOULD WILLINGLY PLAY A MOD WHERE ALL YOU DO IS FUCKING GRIND.
@gittattle Жыл бұрын
@@ShiaTheBunnyGirl fr, I played it for a while just so I can give a more fair opinion on it. It's so fucking boring. Some of the zombies have really fucking weird mechanics that aren't explained to you when you first see them. The amber head zombie just straight up ignores your plants
@ConfusionUwU Жыл бұрын
Surprise surprise a mod called grind thousand requires you to grind
@darkcat6530 Жыл бұрын
I'm genuinly baffled that a mod creator put a grinding element into his game
@Vini-km4dh Жыл бұрын
i mean, the mod is literally called grind thousand, what did you expect...
@BoxxylovesU Жыл бұрын
Eclise was too difficult for me. The reason I loved playing Reflourished is because I was able to beat most levels using my favourite plant lightning reed, and comboing with some stalls, some explosives, or magnet shroom. They also give an abundant amount of coins so you could just destroy most zombies instantly, it may have not taught me to strategize but it was really fun.
@lunatheghost65 Жыл бұрын
i think with eclise the approach that makes it fun is if you go in, expecting to keep changing up your plant teams personally, i had a lot of fun with it since i made it a point to change up my strategy every level using the same plant team every level gets old really fast that said... 70% of the levels in eclise can be just steamrolled with op plant teams... i asked the devs about nerfing some particularly busted plants but they argued they werent op so idk
@user-kn2kg3mo1b5 ай бұрын
If there's only one way of solving a level then it's just a puzzle, not a strategy game.
@lizzybach4254Ай бұрын
@@user-kn2kg3mo1b Well, some people just want to have fun while playing a game amidst their lives... And then move on.
@user-kn2kg3mo1b11 күн бұрын
@@lizzybach4254 That's fair.
@wj11jam78 Жыл бұрын
Would you consider levels with extra win conditions to be minigames, or challenges? I feel like sos, flowers, and mold colonies are challenges. Whereas last stand is more like a minigame
@Creeps20 Жыл бұрын
It depends a lot on how they are used. In general, if they are testing standard player skills its a challenge. If its an entirely different approach, its a minigame.
@marz9487 Жыл бұрын
Eclise's community has to be one of the most pretentious and toxic gaming communities I've ever set foot in. Worse than the Terraria Calamity mod. I left a long time ago but I remember the environment in that server was awful; if it wasn't just praise for the mod, it was almost certain to be just negative. They were really hostile to critics and incredibly impatient with newcomers. I remember a mod complaining about having to guide new players through the process of modding their game like... *bro you're a moderator for a modding community this is what you signed up to do.* DT himself personally banned me because I said "Dick Tree" lmao And you know, I really liked the Eclise mod at first. Once I figured out how to mod the game and started playing, I thought it was very fun and tough, but the game quickly got too complicated for its own good. I think part of their design philosophy was to make every plant present in vanilla reworked to be usable, and to give all of those plants three tiers to work with, which acts to the mod's detriment. The tiering system also communicates the wrong idea; you have to purchase additional tiers and those are represented with bronze, silver, and gold, which communicates that higher tiers are objectively better, which is not the case. I quit about halfway through on a conveyor belt level that required perfect execution and favorable RNG to complete; not fun game design. TL;DR 1. GP2 and his community need to learn to lighten up, be nice, and be more open to criticism 2. Quantity =/= Quality 3. Difficulty doesn't automatically make your game fun. You need to design with fun in mind first, not difficulty
@lunatheghost65 Жыл бұрын
i do think they should remove the coins needed for tiering that, or at least make the full cost of the the plant's tiers on tier 1, so people dont get good plants stuck in worse tiers
@togarashi6437 Жыл бұрын
I feel as if GP2 doesn't understand why some plants are underused. Take Parsnip for example. (From Beta 1.8) I never had to use Parsnip because there were better alternatives for a stationary offensive plant that takes over a minute to recharge. Sure, its rush is much stronger than Guac's but it shouldn't be this hard to use. I may have poorly explained this. Like you said, Eclise tries to introduce too much. And even in Beta, I feel as if the introduction levels sometimes mix in with the challenges and minigame levels, which makes it varied, but somewhat inconsistent and jumbled. This is from somewhat who likes beta. I want to make a mod in the future that uses Eclise's ideas (such as world structure and some plant balancing) but without the pitfalls Eclise falls into like its barrier of entry and questionable level design. I know there are better examples from other mods like Altverz but aside from that are there other mods I should try?
@Someone-uf8ht Жыл бұрын
I recommend playing Fallen
@ARandomSpace Жыл бұрын
I think Nightcast has some similarities with Eclise. It's not officially released yet, though.
@jcartist5881 Жыл бұрын
dont get me started on how the developer decides to remake an underused plant to be more "specifically useful" when players tend to gravitate towards consistency in performance. Hell even the classic PVZ 1 was fun despite the years and tierings was simply because much of the plants have a consistent niche that isnt too unforgiving to use making it fun and viable whereas Eclise tries so hard to dictate what and what not to use like dude, I'm not trying to play pvz hard mode wherein I need to always be challenged, I just wanna have access to all the cool plants and play the game mindlessly like a simpleton while enjoying SOME challenge
@ConfusionUwU Жыл бұрын
@@jcartist5881 Then go play vanilla pvz2 or something the mod itself literally tells you that you need to use your brain
@jcartist5881 Жыл бұрын
@@ConfusionUwU My apologies, did you take offense in my opinion and critique on the developer? Did you even consider trying to see where I am coming from with my feedback? If not, perhaps you should think more before deciding what to say as this is neither constructive or useful. What do you know of game design, balance, and the overall design of what makes a game good or bad in a while subjective but based on solid consistent principles on the foundations of gameplay? Did people not use their brain when they played plants vs zombies 1? Are you implying that easy means not using the brain like its a kaizo designed game? I honestly rather you be concise with your argument and keep it with brevity if you wish to make your point clear. Furthermore, tell me what YOU know about what makes solid game design and when to listen to feedback of the very people playing the game?
@uver22522 жыл бұрын
looking back on it, when i was answering the forum the pirate seas level twenty second flashback, (im pretty sure its 14-7) was incredibly confusing for me and literally impossible without toadstool. and gp2 has a real problem with introducing plants like snapdragon, E berry and others in levels where the player is better off simply not using them. i understand that you want to introduce a new plant to the player, but the design of these levels simply hinder their abilty to shine in certain situations where in other levels they would be really valuable.
@scotterboi92 жыл бұрын
And that was the whole point of redoing the mod...
@skyjack1 Жыл бұрын
Wouldn’t that level’s issue have been mostly resolved if the plant was just locked into the lineup?
@elfbeaned Жыл бұрын
Snap dragon, E bluberry intro are good one tho. At least there are reasons to use snap dragon
@Cool_Kid95 Жыл бұрын
I use Garlic a lot in PvZ1. It's great for certain levels! But not in PvZ2. Not only is it WORSE FOR NO REASON, but the game isn't even made for it.
@mikadosannoji553 Жыл бұрын
zombies take a extra bite from it before they go to another lane for some reason
@kauanjos3199 Жыл бұрын
It's because in pv1 almost all zombies main form of attack is eating but in 2 there's multiple zombies that don't eat plants, like the octopus zombie and the mage zombie as an example
@Cool_Kid95 Жыл бұрын
@@kauanjos3199 Yeah, the game isn't made for Garlic.
@testerwulf3357 Жыл бұрын
If I remember correctly zombies just had to walk up to it, make a face, then change lanes..no eating; which is what made it so great! making it basically have to be consumed to be good is such a horrible nerf! So many zombies in pvz2 don't "eat" so it's useless to a lot of zombies
@Cool_Kid95 Жыл бұрын
@@testerwulf3357 it can get consumed in PvZ1.
@pieegee8532 Жыл бұрын
Eclise for some reason tends to be quite bs in terms of teaching new players who got that mod and are struggling so much in so many regards it feels like each and every single level you have to use that one specific strategy. Is it a good mod.... I would say Not really? I think if new players introduced to pvz2 is to play an older patch like the 5.0.0 patch with an edited pp.dat file to unlock all premium plants but not gemium. And learn the core mechanics first. Eclise in general now is basically only playble if you're a pvz2 veteran who knows what and each zombie does.
@romhackerblaze Жыл бұрын
git gud man jk
@pro_-lx2bf Жыл бұрын
Agreed but i think the game was designed that way as a big challenge and not a hand holding guide like normal pvz2
@user-ic8kn6by6m Жыл бұрын
Idk about this, but wasn't this mod made for people who were already familiar with pvz? Like, all I heard was that this would be pvz, for people that already knew how to play and wanted something more challenging
@SPZ-gv2on Жыл бұрын
I've been playing through the alpha myself recently and here's my take: It's poor for beginners but it's a nice streamlined experience for longtime players. Very quickly I've had to use what I learned from older beta playthroughs and very few of the levels have felt boring or free. However, the difficulty spikes are still somewhat there and the gimmicks are introduced with little context at full power immediately. I think it's quite fun but if anyone is trying to get into it, play the beta.
@capnbug Жыл бұрын
Im kinda sleepy so im like "man wtf is he saying" half the time. This shit wild
@toxicceoofcharisma Жыл бұрын
I thought it was just me 😭
@purplecrowbar1332 Жыл бұрын
I’m not sleepy at all and still can’t understand literally anything he’s saying bruh
@puppetwhisper2472 Жыл бұрын
@@purplecrowbar1332 lmao same, i forgot what bug tile was and had to go look again
@PromboVII Жыл бұрын
This was a pretty good video, and I agree with most of the points made, but I do have one mild complaint - With the highest due respect, I think you really oughta slow down your talking speed. That, or add subtitles. There were a couple of times where I could not understand a lick of what you said.
@PurpleB3D Жыл бұрын
Some of the Levels are so ridiculously difficult that i just look up how other people beat it and mimic their set up, i dont wanna sit on one level for over an hour trying various different plants and strategies
@Toneshadow2 жыл бұрын
pvz 2 alpha eclise have problems with plants and levels more than beta in my opinion. Level that dusk lobber was introduced i did not use it. I thought it was so trash i mean it cannot kill weasel without it getting over run. Splash and bonk choy comes in and does it job way better. Some levels need to be removed or change make the player to have better time and learning. Name some is ice block farm level, last stand far future invincible tile level, punk jam. Great video you did creeps and hope things improve on the mod and not go to more into the abyss than it is. Have good day people reading this
@CoralReaper7072 жыл бұрын
Thank goodness I stuck with Beta and never looked back.
@maush.2 жыл бұрын
How do you download beta
@starlyiviny2 жыл бұрын
@@maush. join the NTC grotto, you should be able to pick any version of your choice
@mr-goldy2 жыл бұрын
its so sad that it gets worse with every update i play grind thousand i think its fine
@yb69420 Жыл бұрын
Thank God I only updated to beta 1.9
@HashiNuke Жыл бұрын
Thank goodness I grew up with vanilla
@TheAntiBarrel Жыл бұрын
"bug tiles aren't common in the main game" i can't agree more, considering that until you said that i didn't know they were PART of the base game
@lotion5238 Жыл бұрын
I wanted to try the Alpha Version but was told by others in the discord that the changes weren't good. I think that they were right and I'll stick to beta for now
@ShiaTheBunnyGirl Жыл бұрын
People on the gp2 discord server not blindly praising eclise? That’s a surprise. Good thing they told you not to play.
@crconan35182 жыл бұрын
Solution: Introduces Starfruit and Repeater at later part of thr Introduction
@Hugo-sm1kl2 жыл бұрын
being honest, i cant do decent strats at all, but dang. When i started to play alpha i missed repea and snow pea SO MUCH. Specially in S-2
@660nj2 жыл бұрын
Grats on 1000
@guffingtonreal Жыл бұрын
I feel like Eclise relies on PVZ2 existing and expecting the player to know how plants work in that game too much. I had trouble in Pirate Seas with seagulls because I forgot how I could counter them properly.
@lunatheghost65 Жыл бұрын
I actually enjoyed eclise alpha a lot Since you actually have to consider the layout of most levels and pick plants accordingly, instead of using the same team over and over, which gets boring The difficulty for me was just right, and even most of the S levels were fairly fun That said, some broken plant teams work for most levels, so it's only like 30% of levels where you do have to tailor your teams to counter them Also I didn't actually realise the levels after unlocking a plant encourage you to use them, i just used whatever i thought was appropriate
@oblongLogin Жыл бұрын
There were a lot of really bad new levels added in alpha (12-4) that were so luck dependent or insanely difficult that it stopped being fun. The level with the point goal was a much better intro to both parsnip and impporter than the actual intros
@elfbeaned Жыл бұрын
12-4 was changed: no more C1 parachute, addition pf. I made numerous mistakes in this level, despite that, I managed to win mowerless.
@a_person5668 Жыл бұрын
Wouldn’t the “partial locked and loaded” restriction solve the issue with the plant’s introductions? Lock and load the plant they’re meant to learn to use, and then let them make the rest of their deck around it. This’ll make the whole “design around recent plants” work better, won’t it?
@chrisamus70872 жыл бұрын
ngl the overabundance of introductions kinda kills the mod for me i really cannot think of a single adventure level that wasn't intended to be an introduction to something other than like X-10s yes introductions can be good but not when the entire mod is comprised of them
@Creeps202 жыл бұрын
fun fact 10-10 is an intro to bombe i hate this fact
@chrisamus70872 жыл бұрын
@@Creeps20 SAME.... its a pt1 finale and it has the gall to make it an introduction 🤡
@boxo782 жыл бұрын
@@chrisamus7087 I mean you can enjoy intros as much as non-intros if you just ignore the point :troll:
@zandbergx97472 жыл бұрын
@@boxo78 Air shipping 😊
@RyanDxxx02 жыл бұрын
Pretty well made video. I'm not too huge within the PVZ Community, watch the videos, and love the games, and I have been looking into playing a PVZ2 mod that feels like PVZ again. But yeah, I could see why this mod is very buggy and ambitious, it's a mod that doesn't emulate the original but test more expert player's abilities, mostly, player's who're used to the mechanics, plants and stages of PVZ2 and mixes it up for them. And I vaguely remember either you or someone else mentioning about some levels just, not being levels at all and just gauntelets of spam, for example nothing but garg's being spammed so you just have to pray and attack. But eitherway, really well made video. 👏gg
@Creeps202 жыл бұрын
If you are looking for a more similar to PVZ1 mod, best bet is AltverZ most likely, if you want a suggestion. anyways thanks
@Martin-fb9pb2 жыл бұрын
The creator of this video also did a mod called Shallow, although it's harder than AltverZ
@user-pu9ud7qw3c Жыл бұрын
@@Creeps20 Do you know a mod that greatly changes the gameplay, but for the better? For example, I saw your video, where you make pvz more interesting with sunflowers for 150 suns, and etc. You can let me play your mod or suggest other mods that change the pvz2 gameplay.
@jess6482 жыл бұрын
ECLISE is just hard to approach for me its hard to understand which strategies I should be using and how the hell I’m supposed to use the tiering system effectively. Also the introduction of Mints is TERRIBLE I was almost burnt on PvZ2 mods as a whole since it was the first one I played
@Glatier Жыл бұрын
dude play AltVerz
@jess648 Жыл бұрын
@@Glatier I have it instead and it is good
@elfbeaned Жыл бұрын
You don't even need mints to play. The criticisms about mints are just a card for hate. Now, if you can always win a game and meet no hard level, so it is fun? Hell no, it is just boring. Eclise isn't smth piss easy like pvz or pvz 2, you must have brain to play, not to pick random thing and still win, it doesn't exist in this game.
@bucket-prouductionsyt5132 Жыл бұрын
@@elfbeaned That's the problem since PvZ in of itself is a casual game. Hell, most tower defense games in general are easy! I honestly think that ECLISE just needs to be a lot easier and more accessible to a large audience, or you could simply say that the game is "too niche" for it's own good.
@elfbeaned Жыл бұрын
@@bucket-prouductionsyt5132 just a fact: people proclaiming they are "good" at pvz are usually bad at tower defense. About ECLISE being easier..... how the f you want it to be easier? Lots of hard levels in alpha 2-alpha 3 are all now very easy. It was intended to be harder than beta, and after massive nerfs alpha 3-alpha 3.5-alpha 4.5, levels like 5-7, 1-9, 1-10, 2-7, 5-3, 5-7,... got back to beta difficulty, and some are easier.
@saberspriteanimator63852 жыл бұрын
I remember how i quit at pirate seas. I felt like there are some things in there that i don't understand enough to do by myself
@jtroll462 Жыл бұрын
As a player if your forced to use something you Hate that you have to. People love being creative but if your creativity is stomped cause you have to use this on this stage will hamper that
@impbutnot37012 жыл бұрын
As someone who's only playthrough of alpha was alpha 2 I recall alpha 2 having a lot of horribly difficult levels in general. I was a casual player and I remember 10-5 wasn't fun even tho i used red. A lot of intros were not fun and I most importantly I did not recall learn anything except rushing a defense and cold snap is broken. Also I thought 13-9 when I saw it was a demonstration of what happens when a sheeped plant is ontop of a grave.
@miimiiandco Жыл бұрын
Is this an epic breakdown of modded level design?! Ohhh, lemme see!
@imadooooor6 ай бұрын
With all the respect to Eclise, Reflourished is the best mod literally the PVZ2 we deserved
@averagemicrosoftpaintenjoy71152 жыл бұрын
Another example: 14-2 (i think): Parrot Patrols. Try it without toad. I dare you. Edit: It's not Parrot patrols it's pelican delegant
@Labbomt2 жыл бұрын
bonk and kernel go brrr
@krub11242 жыл бұрын
lol i didnt even think of using toadstool, i completely forgot that he can also swallow animal zombies instantly, iirc i just used a lot of kernel corn because butter one shots the parrot anyway
@andrewgreeb9162 жыл бұрын
Toadstool is some broken nonsense against the right targets and okay otherwise
@zandbergx97472 жыл бұрын
I saw 200 sun repeater placed as bottom tier and had to pause the video to take a quick lie down there
@Creeps202 жыл бұрын
i couldn't find good tier lists ok
@sswon8944 Жыл бұрын
l think Dusk was introduced too early! It only does it's job well as a powered tier 3, but Moonflower and ShadowLeaf are introduced too later on, and the coins for tiering is far from being collected.
@ulala7969 Жыл бұрын
i downloaded eclise because i wanted do see is it really that good. and it was looking nice... for 5 minutes it was ancient egypt level 3 and it was fucking hard like it was a final level of some kind then i saw that there's a file called easy and i replaced the original file and it finally felt like pvz not like some kind of pain generator made for masochists
@venomsnake9975 Жыл бұрын
Easy mode is very fun and not a PAIN GENERATOR. And GT000 Squared edition is fun too. I have both but i like more GT000
@tl1326 Жыл бұрын
im really sorry about this could you add captions? im not very adept in english and it’s hard for me personally to make sense of what you’re saying
@ember7728 Жыл бұрын
I'm a native English speaker, and I find it hard to make sense of what he is saying
@rafiihsanalfathin9479 Жыл бұрын
His voice is kinda confusing yea i felt that
@razi_man Жыл бұрын
I guess I must be the exception then, because I DO gravitate towards new plants. Of course, I only use them for a few levels if they are bad and I use them a lot if they are good.
@lebollsong2 жыл бұрын
This will be extremely spicy
@lebollsong2 жыл бұрын
Even spicier than how big wave beach is portrayed in modern pvz2
@boxo782 жыл бұрын
@@lebollsong true wisdom
@Sahzwich Жыл бұрын
eclise Is the hello neighbor of pvz 2
@principleshipcoleoid8095 Жыл бұрын
7:00 Escape Root (from a secret level) with the Spore Shroom are decent there. Together with red stinger. And imitated ice letuce.
@imtoolazyforaprofilepic49612 жыл бұрын
Whaaaaat?!)! Criticism? To anything related to eclise? Time for a ban
@petrikhorr11 ай бұрын
What! You can't smoke unless you're 18! What! someone gets this joke
@jeremiahparker5908 Жыл бұрын
I kept spamming rotobaga for most levels since that's what works a lot of the time where a lot zombies appear in the later portion of the level
@eduardopimentel6723 Жыл бұрын
Starfruit is also an amazing plant similar to roto, if you plant many of them they do massive damage, and you can get it pretty early on just in Ancient Egypt.
@tadihotado3518 Жыл бұрын
People think its great, it isnt, its just we have nothing to compared it too, at its core its better than the org pvz2, but in practice, its shittier than even a fanmade game cause it assumes you should know all of this by now, thats the main problem i have with the game and something the dev doesnt recognize and wont, you make a mod for everyone, not veterans, there are people who dont even know how to utilize moonflowers buff out there too, this mod is for the dev, not for the people he sell it to, and thats stupid
@lunatheghost65 Жыл бұрын
i think it's fine for the target demographic to be more advanced players the difficulty was just right for me meanwhile the chinese community said eclise was way too easy heh
@DannyCheezits Жыл бұрын
i worked my way through all of eclise during the last school year and it took me all of april and may to beat the Alpha levels. I dont remember exactly what levels I got stuck on but it was definitely the later levels of Dark Ages 2 and the middle of Pirate Seas 2. It felt good beating the mod in the end but it was still way more artificially challenging than a plants vs zombies should ever be, on par with those chinese plants vs zombies 1 mods. I've found that other mods like Shallow and Altverze handle challenge way better than eclise ever did
@ins1ght_ Жыл бұрын
remember guys, there is no reason to play eclise now that reflourished is out :3
@pinapplepirate3209 Жыл бұрын
I was thinking of this video while steamrolling through the stunion tutorial level(s) with my normal strategy that didn't incorporate stunion
@Joname132 жыл бұрын
15:26. Yes, but have you played Night Jurrasic March-20 in beta. It has an entire portion of the level used for spamming gargs.
@Creeps202 жыл бұрын
yes actually, though it was added in 1.9 which is basically alpha -1 so honestly it fits the mood. Still an equally dumb level.
@godbread3781 Жыл бұрын
I didn't have trouble on JM-20
@Joname13 Жыл бұрын
@@godbread3781 Me too. But it's still a garg spam at the end.
@Creeps20 Жыл бұрын
@@godbread3781 dumb =/= hard. its just a dumb level, not a challenge.
@ShiaTheBunnyGirl Жыл бұрын
@@godbread3781 just because the garg spam isn’t hard doesn’t excuse the fact it’s garg spam.
@computermariobross Жыл бұрын
istg i cringe from imagining tryhards telling people "skill issue" when they get lost in this game
@Shark-pj8in Жыл бұрын
Everyone playing reflorished now haha.
@user-TheTrueGibly6 ай бұрын
pvz 2: thanks for the fast forward button, this is really cool! eclise: oh god theres too many-a them wheres the "slow down" button!!!?!?
@bluekunt Жыл бұрын
i always knew Eclise was overrated and also far too balanced (believe it or not thats a thing) so im glad this was addressed
@lgflbrandyascognac Жыл бұрын
Yeah i knew too
@lordhellstrande2763 Жыл бұрын
There's something fun about finding a game breaking strategy in a lot of games every now and then. I love when a Binding of Isaac combo drops my fps to 1 but annihilates rooms
@stormyshelter9997 Жыл бұрын
the virgin eclise mod vs. the chad vanilla pvz2 vs. the gigachad reflourished mod
@user-zg4bk6rv1q Жыл бұрын
I used to play eclise mod, but i quit it after some time and i've recently returned and considering that i started in neon mixtape part 1 i assume 10-5 was the reason why i stopped playing months ago. Also glad i decided to finish it before quitting because i would have definitely quit again if that was the first lever i played after a long break
@DezRexy Жыл бұрын
I don't know if it's just me, but there's something about your way of speaking that makes you difficult to understand. You have clear audio quality, and I don't think it's an accent or anything, so I believe it's just how fast you speak. I'm not sure if it's just a me problem, but I just thought I'd point it out.
@hrachia Жыл бұрын
Sorry, I just closed this video due to speakers undefinable accent. I really didn't understand the video, although it was in English (maybe I'm not that good in English, anyways).
@bamboocarver Жыл бұрын
I hate how the creator tries to shame people who call the mod too difficult
@zandbergx97472 жыл бұрын
13-9 could be an interesting level, but it utterly fails as an intro to chomper I agree, and it could easily give a lasting bad impression. I love my boy chomper and he has many great uses but I don't think I would ever have considered using it in that level if it was a regular CYS. (low armour basics and wizards, duh)
@dylantoney69712 жыл бұрын
chomper is a pretty good use as a defensive plant that can also be used as an insta with excess stun - a good niche expanded upon poorly.
@iaticdamir16202 жыл бұрын
Interesting fact:level 13-9 was interesting :before change, you had to protect 2 moon-flowers, but the thing is that they were bouncing around on lawn by gravestones. So you had to not only protect these moon-flowers, but also clean gravestones to not get your moon-flowers bounced away from the lawn. And then this level to turned into this...
@SonicEndouRed Жыл бұрын
THANK YOU! Finally someone that doesn't like trash "hard" games.
@bruh985yearsago52 жыл бұрын
Weasel holders subtitles: we'll holders
@maraguayo25 Жыл бұрын
Can't believe there are people who still think Eclise is a great mod.
@-D_A-R_K Жыл бұрын
Can't believe there's still people that can't accept opinion
@Lissy_YT481 Жыл бұрын
@@-D_A-R_K I can't believe there's people that refuses to be objective.
@-D_A-R_K Жыл бұрын
@@Lissy_YT481 Can't believe that there's still people that can't differentiate facts and opinion
@Lissy_YT481 Жыл бұрын
@@-D_A-R_K like you?
@-D_A-R_K Жыл бұрын
@@Lissy_YT481 Yes you
@Craeonkie Жыл бұрын
Eclise has all the catagories except they're all challages at the same time
@absent612 Жыл бұрын
Ay, I feel kinda rude asking this, but would you mind adding subtitles to your videos? Your accent is sort of heavy and as a non-native speaker who's mostly used to listening to white gringo folks it's hard to make out what you're saying sometimes. Thank you!
@larrymantic2635 Жыл бұрын
Now they don’t have to teach you anymore!
@alexbluecyndaquil Жыл бұрын
I love your videos but damn you speak way too fast! You slur over your words and it makes it tough to understand what you say. The content in the videos are incredible and the script (what little I could decipher from it) is solid.
@nothyperfire1107 Жыл бұрын
i liked eclise but it feels like it toes the line between challenging and unfair too much
@crazymartin526 Жыл бұрын
I used to play eclise before alpha. And good lord did i struggle even on easy difficulty. I got stuck in alot of the levels and when i got to second half of each world i got stuck on almost every other level.
@crazymartin526 Жыл бұрын
@@user-uz1uh9vk6k Nope, my micromanaging skills are pretty good. Alot of the levels are literally based on like 3 strategies to beat them,and if you don't use those 3 strategies that you will have to google them up cause how tf are you meant to find out what to use and what not to win a level.
@elfbeaned Жыл бұрын
@@crazymartin526 dialogue....... And who the fuck has good micromanagement skills will struggle in ECLISE??? Escape root is there pay attention to all lanes.... and if you get stuck due to using smth like "fire pea+snow pea" or smth that obviously doesn't fit the level, then you blame the game? Blame urself instead in this case, I don't copy DT.
@HotAnimeWaifu Жыл бұрын
Saw you're intensive carrot vid and now i'm hooked
@celestialsorcery Жыл бұрын
THE ACCENT OH MY GOD
@forgetfullsanity Жыл бұрын
Eclipse teaches players to spam selectively not completely just make you have more skill to complete level but there are some that gives you brain damage just trying to complete it
@felipealvarado8801 Жыл бұрын
The problem with eclipse its that they think that being hard its equal to being good on gameplay perspective for pvz and thats not what define a pvz game, its the feeling that youre advicing and becoming more powerfull, granting you a way yo play as you preffer (sometimes forcing you to try a different way but with you own trick) while the enemies become harder. This mod dosnt have any kind of feeling that youre becoming powerfull and dont like you to play as you preffer, its the feeling that every time youre playing youre up to a really hard challenge that you need to solve on porpouse to procede, they did not teach you how youre gonna make the puzzle, youre just by youre own, even on a perspective of puzzle games This dosnt work, cause they at least teach you new mechanics as the game procede, becoming more strange as the game passes like cut the rope for example.
@ConfusionUwU Жыл бұрын
maybe try making your english more powerful first before becoming powerful in eclise
@ConfusionUwU Жыл бұрын
@Memes Within Memes Awaits You me when i can't think of any good arguments also, I was not defending eclise, I was insulting him. There's a difference
@kingofthemudkips445 Жыл бұрын
18:30 what the duck did he say
@Gunplus574 Жыл бұрын
Bucket Head by a fairly ??? Margin
@Evil_Incorporate Жыл бұрын
@@Gunplus574a fairly significant margin
@bonel3831 Жыл бұрын
Everything away.... The mini games are insanely terrible i mean... Pvz 1 minigames was fun-easy-understandable Pvz eclise mini games force you to use plants And goodpea2 think that conditions in minigames is fun?! Challenges be like: You see this zombie: place a potato mine You see this zombie: place iceberg You are not playing a game... Aren't game are supposed to be fun.... You are just memorizing nearly every level Gtooo is better...
@magicianslucky602 Жыл бұрын
I dont get the hate ngl i downloaded it cus a friend talked about it a while ago shit feels unique but hard and thats why i like idk about yall but the comments feel pitful
@RedFalcon-op4hx Жыл бұрын
I’ve only played through v1.5-1.8. But it’s a shame to hear it’s only become a worse experience with time since then. This video definitely strikes a cord with me for 20-8 in particular. An intro for what could be a very different game at what was the third final level of the campaign at the time I beat it, with that being the only level of its kind in the campaign (and side levels excluding mini games and community ones) was also extremely out of place. The signs were always there with an incredibly high rate of people going off the mod within the first ten to twenty main levels.
@robertlupa8273 Жыл бұрын
It's *_still_* in alpha stages of development?
@Simplord21122 жыл бұрын
I think Eclise still a great mod when compares with other PvZ2 mods.
@Jack_Saint_Archive Жыл бұрын
AltverZ Mod is better since it is more balanced
@Simplord2112 Жыл бұрын
@@Jack_Saint_Archive More balanced? no need sun produce,OP plants(0 cost) 50 sun gold leaf...?
@Otherface Жыл бұрын
@@Simplord2112 at least is much more playable than Eclise.
@Simplord2112 Жыл бұрын
@@Otherface Probably,but that already show us a community "love" the like-official PvZ2 mods...
@pieegee8532 Жыл бұрын
Me who tends to play the 5.0.0 patch of pvz2 with an edited pp.dat file quite disagrees
@Allanpogi34 Жыл бұрын
How irony The creators say that The original game was unfair and now the mod is more unfair than the original pvz
@elliethejellie Жыл бұрын
i beat 10-5 with dusklobber which in my opinion is better than red stinger its cheap splash damage very useful
@user-jc1kq1qb5j Жыл бұрын
Why can you beat that level with red stinger much easier than with other plants? Isn't red stinger just a repeater? I dont get it.
@elliethejellie Жыл бұрын
@@user-jc1kq1qb5j repeater with an annoying long recharge*
@user-jc1kq1qb5j Жыл бұрын
@@elliethejellie but then why is using stinger almost required to beat this level with a bunch of sped up punks?
@elliethejellie Жыл бұрын
@@user-jc1kq1qb5j thats because goodpea2 made the level in such a way that it forces the player to use it. I never said red stinger was bad, I just said that dusk lobber could do it's job better
@user-jc1kq1qb5j Жыл бұрын
@@elliethejellie but why can't you beat the level with repeaters? Or any other plants? Is the plant choice limited?
@solarknight3942 Жыл бұрын
Okay, this is a more thought provoking video. I find it very petty that you collected a bunch of data for something that seems so extremely petty, but it does bring up discussion to my head about proper game design. Introducing players to a mechanic is very important and I struggled with this in my own game. Making a typical RPG doesn't have to force players into learning the basics of magic, attacking, defending and whatnot unless it is very different from games they've played before. Getting a new skill that is simple such as attacking twice or increasing defense can be red up in the pause screen and it's easy to go from there. My game introduced a brand new class, the Hexblade. It's not obvious what the intention is, while I know that it is supposed to be a gigantic force using unholy power to strike absurdly hard and curse opponents to make them weaker and damage self to gain buffs, even when reading up the effects in the pause menu play testers have been describing it as a very janky process trying to figure out what the literal main character is and is supposed to do. I actually counteracted this by setting up dialogue as a tutorial to the player, the characters in the game talk to each other about their own skills whenever a new one is introduced and it's explained how these skills interact with the enemies around them. A very nice hidden tutorial I used is that Earth attacks are always strong against anything touching the ground, but are extremely ineffective on anything that can rise over it. It was used to describe one of the skills "Crush," a simple twin-attack that deals Earth damage, and the enemies around are bandits with pet ravens giving players clear idea on what to do. I can actually understand how these problems plague Eclise. It's actually one of the two major reasons I left but I never actually realized in my head what the problem actually was with me not being able to understand the levels. There was one secret level in Frostbite Caves where it was snowing, and it would cause zombies to slow down but also constantly freeze plants. No matter how many different lineups I tried I could never defeat the level, but when I looked up a guide I saw the player was placing hot potato on the zombies for the 0.1 seconds they were frozen for and it made me beyond upset that this mechanic was never explained to me. In fact I often took to the discord server to complain and ask why there are so many hidden mechanics that are not explained and causing me to lose 5 times over. In Dusk Lobber's intro level, I never actually realized the plant was unable to be eaten. I lost because a bunch of weasels ran right past her and I was so taken aback like "HUH???" after my 3rd attempt trying to beat the stage. That happened like 12 times throughout the game where I was "introduced" to something and it never clicked until I either looked it up or after failing the same stage 10 times in a row.
@yellownomadglitch3309 Жыл бұрын
@Akalpaniy Being Point 6 is one of the dumbest thing you can say. "Eclise is how PvZ2 should had been" what about that
@ShiaTheBunnyGirl Жыл бұрын
@Akalpaniy Being A hard game should still be able to introduce new mechanics so that beginners can still grasp what they need to do.
@ShiaTheBunnyGirl Жыл бұрын
@Akalpaniy Being the interesting thing is for me is that the new exploration of plants doesn’t make me want to deviate from my strategies. Unless they have to, even with eclise trying to push ability exploration, a new player is still gonna try to use strategies that they know are effective rather than the niche plants that the game dedicated 95% of the levels towards poorly teaching how to use them. The exploration doesn’t do shit when it makes a lot of plants niche and downright bad.
@vernbaa Жыл бұрын
@Akalpaniy Being listen im a beta male casual plants versus zombies player but the phrase "this game is not for casuals therefore it doesn't deserve casual complaints" is so funny in the context of pvz even if it is modded
@OM-sp3wk Жыл бұрын
What are you SAYING
@Stirling96 Жыл бұрын
At least we have grind thousand
@shakibrahamani4583 Жыл бұрын
Im know Im late to this but I can't really here what he's saying at the end of the video that well. Can someone clarify what he's saying?
@mujtabaomar880 Жыл бұрын
There were many times I wanted to stop playing eclise and I almost did But I pushed myself through and Managed to complete possibly the longest pvz mod I've ever played
@DangerPotPie Жыл бұрын
EDIT: now dusk lobber ISN’T required for 5-6 and now it’s fire peashooter! The plants swapped places in alpha 4.5
@lavalord96 Жыл бұрын
*I couldn't get past eclise's Dark Ages levels-*
@Kewlbreeze8 Жыл бұрын
Man. This hits hard o-o" Good thing I take note of this for my future mod hehehe
@brazimouz Жыл бұрын
Great video but there are some points where it would be helpful if you talk slower like 14:45 because i can’t really understand you
@Youmu_Konpaku_ Жыл бұрын
Honestly i did try and finish eclise beta but the game was so fine tuned that it's just sour playing through it, you know for a fact that they intentionally made the game fucking awful and everytime i see a level with a ring i can't wait throw up hoping it's not some sort of spending limit, mold colony, trampled flowers or some bizzare produce 9999999 sun Honestly annoying mod, but i had fun triggering the people in the discord by using the exact same winter melom deck because what can you do? Winter melon is amazing