I am an Indian and I can tell you that most crimes here are not reported because no one wants to get into the judicial ,legal , criminal process. It is said here that "the process is the punishment" , so if you've been a victim , you'd suffer more during the prolonged process of getting justice than the crime itself. So many people spend their entire life fighting for justice .

Last week in India, a truck scratched our car. But instead of calling the police, I called the owner of the logistics company and threatened to register a case against him. He offered to fix the dent for free since he owns a garage. The case was settled right there with no police being involved.

As an Indian we settle out fights with Angry Handshakes and settle the fight there only

I'm Scottish and i'm surprised that alcohol consumed statistic isn't higher. It's literally our culture

As an Indian, I felt assaulted by that fist shake

Im Indian and I solve all my problems by shaking my hand vigorously , sometimes multiple times.

TBH, here in India, we don't get involve physically easily but most of the time even a road rage constitutes only an exchange of "F-words"

As a Indian i can confirm we don't like to go police for a fight with someone

Being from India I can confirm we handle fist-shaking ourselves lol most people don't even want to go through the hassle of reporting normal fights/crimes until it turns real bloody.

My Indian relative lives in the US. In closed door gossip, his take is that many in the US have some form of an unknown mental illness that makes them unpredictable on the streets.

In india living in a town of 130k in a poor state, i have seen very few crimes. Only 4-10murders in 10 year of living here. I haven't even gotten into fights in my school or colleges because and i have seen very few assult. When i visit some fight subreddit in reddit i always wonder like how they can fight like this. If we fight like that it would be considered attempt to murder here.

I don't know if it's true or not, but calling police on someone in India is almost equivalent to ruining their lives cause it's really looked down upon in our country. So we would never do it for small fights, it's either resolved by the people around them controlling them or them just exchanging some swears and moving on.

Media reporting is definitely a problem with people's perceptions of crimes. There's been mayors of major cities that got voted out of office because (according to public polling) people believed that crime was up under their leadership, when in fact crime (including violent crime) was actually down, but because the local media constantly hyped up any violent crimes that occurred the public incorrectly believed that crime was up.

As younger brother in Indian family, i can confirm waving your hand is definitely punching.

This has really been an incredible series. I will ALWAYS recommend it anyone who'll listen!

Here in India, when the assaulter's uncle's cousin's nephew is a police inspector, reporting a crime becomes a bit hairy, lol

Would you rather fight 1 Scot sized Indian or 100 Indian sized Scots? 🤔

2:58 That "Does this sound familiar" honest to God sounded like you could put it in a movie as a villain's line somewhere. That inflection was unsettling lol

Awful bold of you not to ship that maths box to us in Scotland, KEVIN * Shakes fist menacingly *

I didn't knew that a fist fights can count under real crime ,cuz here nobody goes to police for a fight

In india, if an assault happen, you go to their parents and they beat their son/daughter themselves to make you feel compensated. And not let the issue escalate. Orrr the two clans/families/communities gather to discuss. If one clan is lesser influential in any way, they have to compromise. 😥

Till date I have never heard of a bank robbery in India and most of our banks have little to no security.

I as an Estonian can agree that our country is one of the safest countries in the world but has high death rates to suicides and traffic accidents

I'm an Indian living in Glasgow. Damn 😂 I love both India and Scotland so this was an interesting video. Having lived in Mumbai and Glasgow, I can 100% say that Mumbai is safer though.

Crime seems to thrive when people are desperate, but if despair is all you see all around you it may have less of an impact than if you see your peers doing well, while you are struggling.

Comparing Indian society to any western is not directly possible because Indian society and people behave like a closed system relying on each other much more than any western society. To see the difference, just observe people fighting on streets in India and any western country and you will see how different they behave

I think the largest issue is both that we have too much and not enough data to actually figure things out. Biases, inaccurate data, not having the right variables, it's all still way too complex for humans to wrap their head around, and wrap it correctly. And even other issues like the types of people who run those countries could be a factor, as they don't see a problem and this don't make it known. There's also people who are likely to end up commiting crimes as a part of their nature (psychopaths, sociopaths) and others who might not commit crimes if we had enough help (people with anger issues). Too many variables, too many biases, and too much data all leads to tunnel visioning on one thing that might not even be important. And they might even be missing the forest for the tree.

We have dance battles in India, when ever we fight. So if you see a huge crowd following a horse with a man on top, understand. He is the reason for their anger.

As a Hoosier (Lives in Indiana) I can tell you that a lot of crime here doesn't get reported. More often than not the police make things worse for both parties so unless it's murder or something else super serious it's almost always better to leave them out of it and figure it out on your own. The thing to remember is that most of the time the police are there to make a report, it's not like they can prevent a crime that's already happened.

It’s always refreshing to hear the importance of admitting we don’t know, claiming that there is an absolute answer to anything is just looking for trouble especially in science

Absolutely love this series!

Loved your mind blow series back in the day. hope to see a comeback in the future!

It is honestly scary knowing how much of the public's thoughts can be influenced by a handful of reporters overplaying the shaky results of an amiguous scientific paper. This is where it is so important for there to be science communicators in the world who act as a bridge between the research and the public.

I was reading about R*pe rates and punishments the other day ( because a friend from the US told me that India is like the r*pe capital of the world ) and heres the math i did based on the data i gathered. USA reported around 145000 cases last year INDIA reported 31000 Now i considered how many cases are unreported USA : i found data suggesting between 35-60% unreported cases ( i am considering the 47.5 as it's right in the middle ) INDIA : data suggested between 70-85% , so 77.5% . Final values USA : 276190 cases theoretically. INDIA : 137777 cases theoretically . Do what you want with that information , it was just something i did cause i was bored and percentages seemed fun to solve at the time.

Solid video Kevin! Knowing that you don't know is the most important knowledge one can have.

" Now we measure everything and most of our measurement is wrong ", well that feels optimistic 😅

The crime mathematics videos you are making are so good!

I love how you manage to make learning about statistics enjoyable and consumable. Thank you for all that you do!

In India, the requirements are huge, but the resources are scares, thus, we have enough of nothing, we NEED more of everything. Therefore, our judiciary and police is overworked, they don't have time for things like a person slapped another. Actually people don't even go to the police for such things.

Damn we really do be living in a society

I had always thought that these surveys dont show the reality on the ground

The police return the kind of statistics that make them look as good as possible. Or corrupt police stations do. I've attended a community policing forum in a small town in which the crime was completely out of control (the extreme case being 15 men armed with military assault rifles attacking a large holiday resort full of kids with laptops and phones, and spending a long enough time there - in broad daylight - to collect most of these), and being told by the officer designated to attend the meeting that the station had a problem with not being allocated vehicles "because it was a low crime area". According to the statistics they reported. Only. Another incident I recall was a cash in transit hijacking between towns, where the gang set up a road block at the site where they were robbing the van, and went from car to car collecting wallets and phones. It was common for those committing e.g. home invasions to take their time (time enough to try out a bit of sadism on the people whose homes were being invaded, often.) There was a guy who pulled up at the parking lot of a shopping centre, at night, at a busy pub (with things like fast food outlets next door), and someone just walked up to his door, using a shoot first, don't ask questions later approach. Shot him dead at point blank range. Dragged out his body, threw it on the ground. Drove off. Low crime area. I remember hearing lots of automatic fire just across the main road one night. Turns out it was an ambush of some tourists coming home from a restaurant meal. Log in the road, and they decided to rather try to just drive over it. They succeeded, and then the perps opened up on auto. Security company got there before the police (if the police even got there at all). The rumours were that some of the gangs were run by policemen. Maybe that was just drawing too many conclusions from the general police inaction in the area. My brother actually ended up in a bit of a "firing in the dark firefight" one night. Thugs tried to smash their way into the cottage of two women. These locked themselves into the kitchen, called for help, and my brother responded wearing just his underpants. Thugs shot at him, he shot at them. Wife was on the phone to the cops. Cops said they could "only respond to urgent calls". She put the receiver out the window to better pick up the sound of the shooting. To their credit, after that they sent a van. It's a ten minute journey. They took half an hour. Perps were gone by the time they got there. So my brother asks them to bring in the dog unit. Hot trail. Perfect chance to track them down. But "they can only be spared for serious cases" ... (And maybe can't be spared to hunt down off duty policemen moonlighting for the mob.) They eventually realized they would have to sort out the crime problem themselves. It really is a low crime area, now. (It just took a bit of patrolling and responding, and one or two successful apprehensions to put a stop to the crime. Not something you really want to do at the end of a day's work, but what can you do if the police aren't interested, and the politicians are not interested in making them be interested?) Anyway, there's a rather pathological case of the crime stats being a lie. One thing that's a reasonably good measure of at least the violent crime side of things is the murder rate. Its difficult to hide the murders (there are inquests for unnatural deaths, so it's not just a police officer's call what to describe the crime as.) Nationally we (South Africa) have unfortunately returned to an increasing murder rate. I'm told it's gone up to 70 people murdered every day, again. You could call it a result of poverty if you like, but then that leaves open the question of why Malawi (so much poorer) is so much less violent. Part of it is gangster politicians. My mother's municipal ward had to have a reelection after their new counsellor was murdered the other day, and apparently there's been a resurgence of these cases. Part of it is just the police not doing their job, too.

Excellent video! Loving this math series where you teach us practical application and mistakes of math. So fascinating and useful to apply.

Kevin, you are doing the most important work on youtube today. Thank you.

Ya, I think people are just going to turn this video into "any crime statistic I don't like is absolutely untrue!"

One of the problems with scotland is that theres almost no consequence for those who assault others. I was assaulted by 2 people in Edinburgh years ago with 5+ witnesses and both assaulters got community service which they managed to get out of.

"Most of our measurements are wrong" Immediately hit the like button. Was literally the first thing I learned at university

It bothers me why everytime we go in real depth of something we're always left with "we know nothing". The more deep you go the more far away the bottom seems to be. Do you have any thought on this?

I’m Scottish and I can confirm

I feel robbed of reason and time after this...

Fantastic Series!

Thye first study mentioned actually compared the trend of crime rate over a period of time. While I agree with you on the comparisons based on singular probabilities, trend comparisons are known to be extremely accurate when it comes to correlation. Many analysts agree that increased levels of lead was actually a very major factor in deciding the trend that crime rate followed the last few decades.

heh....Always a pleasure to see my country of Estonia get mentioned or compared ^^

So saying that India is not a safe location for women to travel, is false too right? Cause the international media has consistently commented on India in a negative way due to these statistics.

For India, the factor "Culture" is also in presence

Should've included iceland(where murderer, pdf files gets their 'honor restrored' , can pursue their dreams of becoming doctor, lawyer,etc.) Finland(one of the nation with least number of its citizens being jailed) Denmark with it 'life' imprisonment (of 12 yrs)

Scotland has a large Indian community. Are Scottish Indians basically the Hardest Hardmen on Earth?

I’m 38 years old and I have been to counseling 4 times in my whole life. All those therapy sessions taught me was to look at myself and ask why whatever was happening is happening. And every time I would dig deep enough and find that reason.

Amazing video! Thank you for making it :)

Would love to get the math box down here in Brazil!

Love the ending!!

Between Veritasium and Vsause2, I am confused if the lead caused those crimes or not. Both of their arguments are convincing.

One of your best videos. Keep it up!

I loved the 'Indians handle fist-shaking problems themselves" line, lmao

Well, Willy is more violent than Apu ... Also you just made an enemy for life

I am 26 year old and i have never ever seen two strangers are fighting with punches ...but there is a very popular statement in india that if two womens (public transport) have sitted very close to each other for more than 30 minutes than it will ve very very rare that they will not start talking 😅, Share of punches usually takes place with known persons like between between brothers or friend's, But small verbal war is very common in india (and i don't think peoples in india take it seriously and if you are a foreigner than you need to know this fact

i havent watched one of your vids in a while, this is a good one

This is an excellent video, Kevin

WHOA!! What a video!! Kevin, I hadn't seen you videos in a while but I'm SO GLAD I clicked this one! I feel as if my brain rebooted, I feel like we might communicate in a very similar way internally so the way you led the rabbit hole felt really organic and well paced. Playlisting this and sharing on all my circles 😊

The reason Estonian alcohol consumption is that high, is because alot of Finnish people, who on average earn much more than Estonians, come to Estonia to buy cheap alcohol in mass. Although im not denying the fact that Estonians drink more alcohol than healthy.

That math box looks awesome, I wish I had that when I was a kid

3:19 : do you know or have children? me : i AM the child

In India Successful criminal is in politics and fail criminal is in jail

The only way to learn on purpose is by first accepting that you don't yet know. Seems obvious, but really it's a game changer when unrelentingly applying it to everything you can.

I will be waiting for the math box to beade available to Brazil. This would be great to be used on classes.

This video was a good reminder to get back to reading "Seeing Like a State" and recommend it to others here, I guess? A different focus than this video though, more on the value of collecting such statistics and the effects societal planners have by desiring and insisting upon such statistics, I suppose.

I want to see a video on gun crime statistics and how they are manipulated to be either for or against gun control. Does gun control prevent violent shootings? Do loose gun laws engender more shootings?

Crime stats are wild, I was looking at some with my friend and found out that are rather peaceful town we've lived in for most of our lives, had more crime rate than many parts of Brazil, the middle east, and certain parts of Africa, notorious cities like Chicago, Detroit, New York, basically where the crime rate is actually high.

dude i was waiting for this episode.

👌👌👌 Knowing that we don't know is the ONLY place to start knowing. Otherwise Knowing just ends & ONLY rotting starts.

You really should make follow-up video with @Veritasium on this one, I think. As he recently made a video where he talked about how lead was responsible for causing more crimes.

Crime underreporting happens in most countries and there is no way to track each and every crime. Here in India, the police doesn't registers the complaint that easily. I would say corruption is a big problem among the police here. For a country as big as ours with such a big population, I think it is reasonably safe to live here except few regions that have a higher average crime rate than the rest of the country. In my 35+ years, I haven't seen people in rough street fights or anything. Some arguments and that is all about it.

Video like these should be archived.......

And not knowing is half the battle!!

This video is just a great reminder that correlation does not equal causation. Science isn't about simply observing and somehow "extracting" knowledge from observation; that's inductivism and it's false. Science is about explanation; an account of what is out there in reality, how it behaves and how it interacts with other stuff. This is true not just of mathematics and the physical sciences, but of all scientific inquiry in general and holds no matter what you're studying. Unless you're actually testing (i.e. trying to falsify) an idea/hypothesis, making an observation is useless. Anyone interested should read David Deutsch's "The Beginning of Infinity" =)

I want to see 300 Scottish fighting 300 Indians in a inflated boat fight 😮

Social connectivity in face to face talking, games, or other gatherings. When done frequently will will reform the bonds and respect we had for each other in the days before the portable anonymity interface currently replacing true social interaction. When I use this device for social interactions it is to set a time or place to speak with people personally.

Once again a fantastic video. Does anyone know the outro song?

It's also pretty hard to go to prison here, so writing up assaults would be easy seeing as you know your not ruining people's lives and just giving official cautions could contribute to it too (you can have loads of them). Also when pubs close (and on the main routes back to council estates) the police always wait outside the popular spots each night. So maybe the police pre emptivly waiting outside most spots where fights start causes this. Just extra two theories. I don't know estonia, but I do know Lituania (also an ex-soviet close neighbor with an even higher drinking rate). They mostly consume alcohol in the estates, so the drinking stays in the tower block, I never saw near the same amount of people exit onto the streets at once at night as I did in Scotland. - Both generalizations come from time spent with friends in social housing, statistically the most probable to fight after a night of drinking (in the UK anyway) and of course only my observation. Both counties are heavy social drinkers but I found Scots more pour in and out of pubs and Lutuanians stay in their blocks.

Scottish people have never destroyed half of Leicester because they lost a cricket match.

Well stacked!

True observations on crime stats. We've had a massive spike in the US in the last two years, meanwhile indications are that reporting rates have also declined. People give up calling the cops when they don't show up. That said, it's not completely hopeless. Usually, murder tracks fairly well with other forms of violent crimes, and murders are relatively easy to count.

Majority of times Crimes happen because of 'unhappiness', and happiness usually depends on ease of living, freedom etc. Take for example Finland, It's no 1 on the world happiness index and has one of the lowest crime rates. When a person is happy with where he is in life mentally and emotionally he has no valid reason to commit a crime. As DL smith famously said- "Well fed devils behave better than famished saints".One great tip for being happy is meditation, practicing gratitude and journaling your thoughts. Much love.

I'm more and more convinced that sociologists just make it up as they go. Trying to ascribe a reason to group behavior that's in fact driven by individual motivations seems foolhardy.

7:17 yes

I really wish this had more views for multiple reasons.

भारत में पोलिस और कोर्ट के चक्करों में कोई नही पड़ना चाहता इसलिए यहां जिसके पास जितनी पावर हे उसकी ही धाक रहती है।

Yes, I do want the meth box

the percentage litterally destroys the impact of crime rate to a person

It's always to do with family life and socal interactions for crime statics.