"Critical Drinker vs Turfnation: Who is truly toxic?" Answer: the comment section

The fact that turf nation calls Star Wars theory toxic all because of one video about the sequels angered him

Turf nation seems like the kind of person to enjoy she hulk

6 months later and this is still one of the greatest, if not THE greatest rant video I’ve ever seen. But one thing that is kinda bad is that 6 months later, and TurfNation is still active on KZfaq

I find Critical Drinker to be well thought out, and pretty funny. Turf nation just seems like a bootlicker trapped in his feelings

Turf Nation is definitely driven by his emotions, he dismisses good points brought up and has absolutely no self awareness. I guess that's what echo chambers do to you.

The problem with people like Turf Nation (Well, one of them anyways) is that they think just because a show or movie has a good idea or theme, it automatically executes it well. So when people like Drinker critique the poor way the themes in something like Falcon And The Winter are executed, people like Turf Nation think that the people like Drinker are saying the themes themselves are bad, because the idea of a good theme executed in a poor way is a foreign concept to them.

I don't know what to believe anymore. I use to think critical drinker was toxic after watching some turf nation videos then I realize that turf nation has some truly trash opinions and misses many of the point of critical drinkers criticisms but then people keep telling me that critical drinker is toxic and a hypocrite (which might be true sense he does contradict himself at times) but now people say they both are toxic maybe im just a pushover, and an idiot, but I honestly don't know what to believe anymore.

I'd just like to say that Gina Carano never said anything transphobic. Twitter was harassing her to put pronouns in her bio, and she rightfully trolled them by putting "Beep/Bop/Beep" as her "pronouns", which led to the internet playing victim like always, and getting her fired.

Wow send this video to Turfnation, let him understand how wrong he was. Make him delete his toxic videos. Ask him to make an apology video. He might not be genuinely willing to see things beyond his woke believes. But we should try our best.

Yes, yes! I appreciate the effort you put into this. I am a real nit picker when it comes to details and you picked up on 99% of the issues I had with turfnation's video. I like to get many angles on a particular issue before I draw my own conclusions and your video was a well thought out point of view. Many people confound their arguments be failing to correctly pick up on the issue of debate i.e. TCD's views AFAIK are about politics, agenda and social views being wrongfully shoe-horned into stories in such a way that A) it makes the story much worse and B) leads to horrible contrivance issues. It's got nothing to do with being anti gender or anti race. Even in TCD's review of the expanse, he literally says "This story shows exactly how gender and diversity can be done right, feeling neither pushed on you or with a social message to send", a sentiment I share - the characters are the way they are, the race they are and the gender they are TO SERVE THE STORY. I've often wanted to voice this, so I will here: I don't want to see a race or gender swapped 12 years a slave or the color purple - the stories are perfect just the way they are. Films are a type of story telling and for me the best stories pay attention to details, make the characters serve the story by being believable and above all else, avoid contrivance like the plague. Over and out!

27:31 was my exact reaction too 😆 "you're not allowed to have opinions on the internet about people shoving politics down your throat because that would be you doing the same thing" 😆

He has to be doing this on purpose. I truly think he doesn't believe anything he says and is just counting on the idiocy of his followers to not notice.

god i freaking hate TurfNation voice i really do he sounds like generic r/niceguy who is white knighting for ppl he must always walk on eggshells his nickname is TurfNation how tone def is he

He's also been defending Sam Maggs and other wacky characters of his own allegiance. I may not subscribe to Critical Drinker's side of the political spectrum, I sure as hell ain't going to let go of what I think of attention seeking liars.

To be fair he was Turf Nation before T.E.R.F was a term.

Do you think you could do this to Organized Chaos destruction of movie KZfaq?

Hi Icarus. Do you plan on making more videos regarding controversies in movie Fandoms? It would be great to maybe address the recent controversy surrounding the Obi Wan Kenobi series.

Icarus:"What are you smoking and can I have some?" Me:"Hey can you send me some too?"

Good job on the video! Looking forward to more if you're inclined to in the future!

I find critical drinker to be a little deceptive. Like we're seeing two different movies.

I looked into this dude. And it turns out that I live in the same country as him (Denmark). My god I feel ashamed now.

TurfNation is the pop culture version of Noah Samsen. All he does is call anyone to the right of Grace Randolph toxic, racist, transphobic and so on.

Watched the TurfNation's video just before the algorithm brought me here. I left a comment there, that I wish to share here as well. So here goes: "TurfNation, I hope this reaches you even after all this time. I'm a bit late on the curve. Firstly, thank you for the video. You really gave me a new way how to analyze rhetoric. I've been watching Drinker's content for maybe a year now. I have to say that you are right in calling him a reactionary, but I think not in calling him toxic. Drinker only reacts while not providing anything novel. That does not make him good or bad - he is comparable to a middle industrial process that does not extract anything new nor provides anything conclusive in the end. Drinker is a malt processing unit with a funny sign on their window and meme culture in-house. Nothing conclusive. Now, to assess whether the distillation he produces is toxic. To be toxic is to negatively impact something in a way that is not beneficial in any way, or is disproportionately harmful. Drinker is rather upset that he feels the quality of movies is in decline due to Hollywood's heavier emphasis on political messages. I cannot say if Hollywood has a collective or singular social or political message, or if individuals in critical positions have such as individuals and they project themselves in their work. Drinker focuses on venting, not on movie analysis, for that is his message. He is irritated about the way he feels agendas are pushed - similarly as you said you agree with him in movie standpoints (at times) but hate the way he presents his message. He tries to say, behind all his rage (which is humanely arising from frustration that is rooted in societal helplessness), that he feels movies should not be as political. That is his opinion, but it does not make him toxic. He is disinterested in social topics, does not see trees from a forest, acts immaturely and is provocative on purpose, but these things do not make him harmful. He is a nuisance for people who care about social topics, but he does not accumulate any damage. Swaying on people's opinions is not damage. If it was, politics would be a war - an endless cycle of social retaliation. Drinker is a drunk man shouting on the stairs of the parliament, an ouzo-intoxicated bored man raving on the side of agora. Nothing more. He is a nuisance, not a threat. If he is a threat, how weak is the cause he manages to threat with his drunken ramble? The position of something in significance hierarchy can be determined by the status of highest thing or actor that reacts to it, and by the lowest that the something in question reacts to. His choosing not to stand for something and complaining that others do does not in itself make him toxic. It makes him a nuisance. Do not react to nuisances. Next, on to the points that do make him an asshole. He throws the first stone when being derogatory towards people, so you have every right to call a spade a spade and call him an asshole he is. But does it help that you insult him? So, I would conclude him to be a raving and nihilistic asshole. He has every right to be one. He even has the right to be a nuisance. So just let him be. Finally, thank you for providing this medium by which to dissect the difference between toxicity and unpleasantness. Also, I liked very much how calm and analytical you stayed almost throughout the video. One tip though: please do not correct things on screen that contradict the audio. Many people do it, but is not the best way. People ingest more what they hear than what they have to read at the same time, for the first is passive Category One information in-take, while the latter is active Category Two, making the audio override the visual text. Thank you, and happy holidays! :)"

Bro please do another video!!!! Turf nation keeps releasing shit video

TurfNation. Without a doubt. Drinker does not only good reviews but also talks about how certain characters and such could be made even better and doesn’t seem to hate movies for the sake of it and gives good valid criticism. TN on the other hand literally rants about people who have negative opinions on things like he’s wanting them to have the same opinion he does

I saw a Critical Drinker review for the new Fallout show a couple of days ago and he thought it was good. I liked the show myself, and the main character was a woman

Happy I stumbled on this argument. Your logic is impeccable and reinforces my complete boredom with, and disinterest in the likes of Turf Nation.

Yes I watched Altered Carbon. Season 1 was amazing. But Season 2 is mediocre at best. Kinda like WestWorld.

Very good video you make some good points

I'm not gonna act like Critical Drinker is this amazing reviewing god, but I do really like his content. He's charismatic, funny, and when he makes a good point, he hits the nail on the head. And I am sick of seeing all these people act like he's a grifting asshole who's just a racist dog-whistling [insert buzzword here], just because he DARES to not like a movie with a woman in it. It's honestly disgusting. As for Turfnation, he's incredibly boring, and spends most of his time attacking KZfaqrs that are way better than him.

Thank you!!!!

"THAT'S ALL I GOT FOR YOU TODAY! GO AWAY NAUOW!!" (Love The Drinker).

I feel stupid rn I don't understand why no one criticize him idk who both side are good or not if he told me I cant tell who right

I was giving Turf Nation a chance. I watched some content and after a good bit on that end I conclude. He makes poor arguments and lack substance. He rambles more if anything and his points are not backed by facts or even proven.

To be honest though, I don't want to see any political stuff in movies and shows. I'm watching them for escapism, not to be told how to feel

Great breakdown!

Ah, a third party enters the equation

Why is this even a question tho?

Subscriber number 7.

Do more videos on turd nation please

Where did your comments go?

Yeah, this guy, TurfNation, do not recommend him. Most of his videos are like this. His other video on the Drinker had him trying to convince you that Rey doesn't need fixing. It went about as bad as you would expect.

we need more vids like this

good video!

Good job on your first video. Can I recommend you responding to a video from The Roundtable that’s been out for about a year? It’s called Steven Universe isn’t Bad, you Guys are Just Dumb. If you wanna see it I’ll provide a link in the subscription. If you haven’t seen Steven Universe though(and I doubt you have), you can also make a response to Mis Anthro Pony’s Star Wars videos if you can get around to it. Please respond to this once you see it. Thank you.😉

If you thought this guy was bad, check out the Kavernical.

What a sexy voice and good video 💓

In this video you only talk about TurfNation but not about Critical Drinker. He could also be wrong. The video should be called why TurfNation is Toxic but don't call it Critical Drinker and TurfNation - if all you talk about is only one side you don't the cover the other side of discussion this video is Chickbait

So Marvel Thor being silly at times and his antics wouldn't be blasphemy, but a FEMALE Thor would be? Also. Spiderman (Peter Parker) can use web, but now MILES MORALES CAN?! Put them into 2 columns and you will see that Miles Morales is NOT Spiderman (Peter Parker) (In reference to the Thor/Mjolnir use "explanation") You know who else isn't Thor? Captain America.

Thank you for posting this. Drinker was obviously to good of a person to address this toxic individual to even pay attention to such an attention seeking person like this. This guy got the attention he wanted and probably makes money off of doing so. I got 15 seconds into the episode you are tearing apart and I shut it off. Lol He just wants attention and hopefully girls will like him. Go through his page, the only time he gets over 10k views is when he attacks a high viewer on KZfaq. It's a very childish way to get views and or attention. The boy just wants attention lol

Ahh, you’re talking about movies, re: art, and any course in the subject will tell you that aesthetics doesn’t have an objective grounding. So when you start chunking around phrases like “objectively wrong” I start to laugh. Then again, maybe you’re part of the Randroid cult. Indeed, what you and the CD, and TurfNation remind me of are Christians who object to movies they find objectionable. It’s the same schtick.

he lives in denmark

Is that even a real question? It’s clearly The Critical Drinker. I’ve never seen anyone so toxic.

Whilst turfnation is not a great youtuber and even i condomn things like she hulk , velma etc, the absolute defense of the critical drinker ( whose name alone told me what kinda critic he is ) is suprising. These guys are a dime a dozen, blaming any faults of modern movies on "hating men", women , "woke agenda" and feminism , all things this guy repeats in tons in his video to the point of insanity. And i personally dont believe his arcane recommend as it goes against his own video " why modern movies suck: they hates men" in which he clearly expresses a disgust in women who act like men in his opinion just skinswapping, yet this is what vi is and expresses at any point , aswell as being an lgbtq positive movie

no Turfnation and everybody were right about him not so a Critical Drinker if you like his show why?

10:31 I disagree that no sane person would ever make this argument because if you are more so on the side of Critical Drinkers he does indeed make these same arguments without actually saying it. He has plausible deniability. He can always hide under the premise that he doesn't actually have a very prejudice nature towards women in films...it's just that he doesn't like Woke messages. 10:38 This is catch 22 now. Because almost any superhero movie suffers from this. Some super powered villain or hero shows up but is not interesting enough to hold your attention. Venom suffers from this, Guardians of the Galaxy suffers from this, Thor Dark World suffers from this. When Critical Drinker goes out of his way to say Ragnarok is woke...he's attacking the low hanging fruit for buzz. Because by proxy if a movie is bad because the characters were bad it simply is alot more popular to criticize the character based on the fact that she was a left wing fill in for Hollywood to spew it's messages than actually criticize the villain or why she's actually not intriguing enough for you to care. 11:32 Again you are being so defensive of CD. He doesn't have to downright say it. Because again Plausible deniability. He will never downright say it. But his videos are implying it. I think Turf Nation would benefit from framing his arguments better but then again I think you are giving CD too much leeway in the beginning.