"This Project is the death of Star Wars!" "Sheen, that's the fifth Death of Star Wars you've brought in This week."

"I felt more tired watching these reviews than I did watching Lily Orchard" is probably one of the biggest insults I've ever heard. Hope you take a long rest.

41:45 "The use of pronouns in live action Disney Star Wars!" I will never stop being amused that the anti-woke media grifter landscape has made such a big deal about pronouns that a bunch of them have lost track of the fact that that's the actual term for a common part of speech. Technically speaking, Star Wars has been using pronouns since 1977!

Small correction, the witches in the acolyte are not related to the dathomirian witches nor the nightsisters. This has been confirmed behind the scenes. Their just a other witch clan that just exist in the universe like the other millions of different force orders established both in canon and legends. Love the video, sorry my inner star wars had to come up lol, keep up the good work

If Star Wars fans hated Lucas' ideas on SW before and hate Disney's ideas on SW now. I don't expect them to like a fan's idea on SW when they officially work on the franchise.

37:50 Lee Jung-Jae recently learned English for this role? I didn’t even know that, that’s impressive that he got so good at English in a relatively short time. The fact that the shit heels in nerdrotic were making fun of his accent is stupid because those wankers are definitely incapable of picking up a second language in that time frame as well as Lee did.

I love Star Wars. The main reason that I don't like talking about it is because I don't care about the canon. I've never cared about the canon.

Imagine telling someone in 1999 that the conehead Jedi was going to be a source of major controversy 25 years later

"Our current landscape of criticism doesn't know what to do with okay stories" I felt this so much while Willow was running on D+. It wasn't amazing but it certainlly wasn't terrible imo. It was campy fantasy fun like the original movie and I was pretty happy with it. The online fandom however, tore it to shreds for not being the 2nd coming of Lord of the Rings or something.

Ah come on the holiday special and the Ewoks show isn’t canon? This is bullshit

Oh no, they retconned a minor side character's age... ...Anyway... They had to actively retcon the fact that Han Solo didn't know about the galaxy wide conflict that were the Clone Wars. Imagine a guy asking: "What's WWII?" That's the scale of Han Solo's ignorance. Lucas wanted to establish a romance between Luke and Leia, but made them siblings in the next movie. You simply can not build such a massive world like Star Wars without actively retconning it as you go on.

Ki Adi Mundi's age is also funny because it's not like it was even established in an actual STORY. It was just a factoid dropped in one of those "Visual Dictionary" things that are NOTORIOUS for having the creators just making shit up all the damn time. Treating one of those like some kind of Holy Text is pure comedy. And on your point with Mae dipping out on her revenge quest once she became aware that Osha was alive... Isn't that literally what happened with Luke when he found out Vader was Anakin? Like, it's literally why Luke fails the first Cave Trial because he's so hellbent on messing Vader up. He goes into that fight with the intent to, yes, save his friends, but also to kill the hell out of Vader. Then by RotJ, he's got this almost Quixotic quest to SAVE Vader and turn him back to the light. So why can't a dark sider force user do the same?

Star War fans wouldn't survive a single day with the canon of Doctor Who or it's fandom

I talked about The Acolyte rage with my sibling this Wednesday, when I noticed, thanks to your stream, that every rage farm review of The Acolyte, even the one from a Star Wars Lore Guy, sort of, kind of, self told that they weren't as into Star Wars as they claimed. Because if there is one thing in the expanded universe of Star wars that is an established thing is: The Force exist in countless cultures in the galaxy, all under different names and different intepritations. The Thread is not special. It is just the latest ineptritation of the force under a new name under a new culture. That's it. It's Star wars Expanded Universe Understanding 101. The Force exist under countless names and in countless forms. Them not understanding or raging about The Thread is a massive self tell. Which is a shame that even a star wars super nerd was failed to acknowledge that.

I love the rewriting of history going on. How people act like they've always supported George's vision or legends but a lot of these people were licking the shoes of Red Letter Media and such hating on the prequels... and when he changed the movies like who shot first... Or the meme of "stormtroopers can't aim" literally never showing up in the movies except the scenes where they literally tell you it was on purpose for a trap...

Critical Drinker said yhe quiet part loud, which is why you can't take him as anything more than an angry white guy who needs representation or he's shouting into a microphone. "See if you can find the white guy". Yup. Thats CD on a plate.

Something I've had in mind for a while was the realization, going back to your last point, that Star Wars fans are, on the whole, very entitled. And why shouldn't they be. Their franchise transformed the movie industry, and science-fiction in general, and the OT are still considered some of the greatest movies in American and World cinema. No franchise of this scale is quite like this, to have started with a bar set so high that there is quite literally nowhere to go but down. And nowadays, some fans will argue that it never went downhill, at least until George Lucas sold his franchise to the Disney overlords. Despite the fact that no long-lasting sci-fi or fantasy franchise has ever been consistently excellent (if anyone can think of one I'd be glad to hear), some fans will claim that everything George Lucas touched turned into gold. The thing about Science-Fiction, however, is that it is middling at best. No science-fiction (or fantasy) that I can think of is absolutely amazing all of the time. Certainly not from the get-go. I am a huge fan of Doctor Who and Star Trek as well as Star Wars. God knows neither of the two former franchises began at their absolute best. Some will still argue that they did, but in reality more universally-recognized great moments happened years or even decades later. Even in fantasy, on the big screen at least both LOTR and GOT have had trouble being adapted. So did Dune. Hell, so did Super Mario. Movies are a different beast than literature, and even consistently great book series have found it difficult on the big screen. Star Wars is different, now. Fans are increasingly considering the prequels, and especially Revenge of the Sith, to be the best films, even sometimes eclipsing the OT. Few professional critics, i think, would genuinely think that, but even so the consensus is changing in the fanbase. Every new project has to be the best thing ever. Like you said, it can't be middling. It can't be inconsistent, or experimental. It can't copy the things that were perfect, either, lest it be too unoriginal. It can't even be science-fiction, because it has to be consistently perfect. Star Wars fans don't know when they've had it good.

Actually fires in space can occur scientifically. SEEKER and WIRED have 2 seperate video nearly 10 years ago explaining the science of fires in space

The major complaints and possible threats such as the glup shitto DoB change on a fandom Wikia is something you expect from Sonic fans in regards to Sonics green eyes and the blue arms. [ EDITED ] alright I was wrong, at least sonic fans in general mocked and joked at the people who made those outrageous statements.

I feel like it makes it impossible to actually properly discuss issues with Star Wars when it comes to writing because it immediately turns into an excuse for the opposition to be a bigot. Star Wars isn’t perfect and it never was but I feel like if I ever acknowledge fault I’ll be subject to a tirade and if I ever point out that some of the things that where found to be an issue in newer media can also be found in older Star Wars they immediately becomes defensive and I begin receiving ad hominem attacks.

Yeah, the comic book thing is a great point because as DC/Marvel fan sh*t is getting retconned all of the time and we just accept it. Culture warriors are getting really desperate for things to be mad about and it's honestly getting really annoying 😅

The birth thing is wild to me because I remember a major criticism of the prequels was about treating Vader like Jesus. People hated the divine birth. It goes into my theory that if a Star Wars thing is 15 years old it become unassailable gold no matter how good/bad it is. I do think the sequels will have a harder time proving that theory given how politicized their existence became, especially after ep 8. We saw it all the time. People hated the prequels and now fans think ep 6 is one of the best films-despite how boring it is. Clone Wars wasn’t super beloved. People hated Ashoka and now everyone loves her and that mid cartoon show.

The Mundi age thing is so dumb. Add another hundred years to his age and still nothing important changes.

I feel people don't realize the idea of canon is a fluid concept; they seem to want a canon, to believe the author is literally a god that they can follow and thus be validated by it. As you showed, this is an endeavor destined to fail, since the authors themselves know, through experience, that canon isn't that serious. I'm a fan of Touhou and when the the author went to a con in the US, someone asked him about the canon and he was genuinely confused.

Watch what you say about my guy Ki-Adi-Mundi! Wait… that’s right your talking about disney canon and not legends canon. Almost as if there are now two versions of Star Wars and we need to learn to live with it. Again. Because nerd shit and retcons go hand in hand.

1:18:22 This is me. I used to watch a lot of youtubers like The Critical Drinker, Nerdrotic, Disparu, and Mauler and it became exhausting. I get having film criticism but when these people just hate, hate, and hate even more it becomes very unfun. The fact that there is a 6 hour review on Doctor Strange 2 which is almost 3 times longer than the actual film, you need to realize what the problem is

The only serious criticism I have is Mae's changing motivation: At the start of the series she is convinced her entire family is dead and the four jedi are responsible so she wants revenge, sounds reasonable. She kills the first two jedi because she is convinced. At the end of episode 2 she realizes her sister is still alive so during episodes 4 and 5 she starts doubting her conviction until she decides to turn herself in to the jedi just to be with her sister. Ok, I can buy that change of heart. At the end of episode 5 she confronts Osha and tries to convince her of running away together. It makes sense that she abandons her previous plan of turning herself in given the chaos of the current situation. Up until this point I can follow clearly Mae's evolution. To me this is the point where she loses me. When she wins the fight agains Osha, instead of taking her and trying to run away, or just running away on her own since she is surrounded by enemies, she takes her sister's place, both to escape her former master who wants to kill her, and to enact her revenge against Sol which she apparently didn't want to continue. Not only that but she leaves her sister to be killed by her former master or one of the monsters in Khofar. Mae does a total 180 from only caring about reuniting with her sister to abandon her to die in order to pursue a path of vengeance she no longer believed in. This is to me the worst written moment of the show. And we see so little of Mae and her internal thoughts during the next two episodes, that 2 weeks later I still can't understand why she did that.

Everytime I hear critical drinker talk it sounds like he’s in incredible pain and talking through a clenched jaw

being a new fan of Star Wars really sucks cause every time i try to find someone to talk to about it, i run into these guys who insist that i'm enjoying SW in the wrong way. sci-fi and fantasy are limitless genres; why force everyone into a very narrow understanding of it all?

These grifters crying about perverting Lucas's vision is such bs, After the prequals everyone was shitting on Lucas's vision.

As a star wars fan, I roll my eyes into the back of my head whenever I hear anybody talk about "the death of star wars" or anything similar. People have been saying that about literally everything star wars related for longer than I've been alive, going so far back as one of the most popular fan magazines of the 70s ceasing publication after declaring that The Empire Strikes Back was the death of star wars. And I don't even need to go into anything prequel related. Frankly, the Disney buyout was for the best, since a lot of the actual creative talent is pre-Disney alumni, so these projects would likely exist in more or less the same state they do now anyway, but now the endless fan vitriol that's always been there and probably always will be takes the form of moaning and groaning on social media over the mouse. The alternative would see all that rage being directed at one guy with a recognizable face and home address searchable on google. And in today's day and age, a lot of suspicious packages.

Nobody hates Star Wars more than Star Wars fans

I wish people would realize that quality of writing has declined because studios and networks are making everyone crunch to cram out as much new content as possible. I’m old enough to remember when sequels came out every 4-6 years. Writers have, since the dawn of time, incorporated morals into their stories. Look at fairy tales for Christ’s sake. Because these people are barely given enough time to write a first draft they have to sacrifice subtlety and creative ways to convey lessons/morals in favor of a not so subtle approach. This is a late stage capitalism problem.

All 3 of the Ki Adi fans are gonna be so mad when Mauler's next 4 hour video comes out at 3AM tomorrow

Some of these guys need to join the Warhammer fandom if they want to complain about contradicting previously established lore lol.

Around 1:14:22 That's the biggest crime in all of Star Wars. You cannot watch the films as they were originally released. Lucas' meddling with the special effects of those films is a travesty.

If these people hate Star Wars so much now, why don't they actually watch different movies outside Hollywood...... aside from grifting for money

I saw the “fire in space” thing in the first episode as a plasma conduit that had ruptured. That can burn without oxygen…

The Acolyte has been the most annoying thing to discuss. I don't know what it is with this show, the closest I've seen to these reactions was MoTU: Revelations when people who I know for a fact actually watched it just sounded like they had a collective allucination (I had one of these people unironically say "they took a black girl and made her the new He-man!" for crying out loud). The show is clearly trying to mimic the prequels at times with the weirdly stiff dialogues (which has still better delivered and acted because it's very difficult to match early 00s Hayden Christensen on purpose) but even being extremely ungenerous to it I can't really call it "so bad it ruined Star Wars forever". Fuck, I am a Star Wars fans since before the Special Editions and the reactions to the Thread were confoudning because I remember the goddamn White Current. Yes, it's odd if it comes out the first time for you but I don't get such visceral reactions. I know I didn't have one back then with the Fallanassi (which have been brought back recently in the comics).

I genuinely can't comprehend the obsession with Star Wars and upholding the sanctity of its canon, it's the same religious zeal that creates the theological schisms we see in real world denominations that reject/accept varying interpretations of texts. Critics don't criticize Star Wars, they preach and glamorize the vision of The Creator and how everyone else fails to interpret it the way they see fit.

I enjoy vicariously hate watching media I'd never consume through other people's KZfaq reviews (example: Rebel Moon criticism that points out all the filmmaking and storytelling issues in the movies), but the videos for this show have been so painful to try to get through that I've unsubscribed from several accounts because now I don't trust their judgment at all. RLM came out with their review and their commentary on the KZfaq criticism discource and the consensus was like, yeah it's aight. If RED LETTER MEDIA is like, yeah it's fine to watch, then I know for sure these KZfaq critics are way off base.

There was literally a robot chicken skit about how the prequels had so many dumb connections people just accept now, like Anakin building C3PO or Midichlorians being a thing. The lack of self awareness with people who make fun of these things before a story is even finished is hilarious yet disturbing to me.

I never considered Ki-Adi Mundi as a thematic representation of the failures of the Jedi, but that makes so much sense in retrospect.

Star Wars 'fans' are fucking exhausting.

There is definitely a culture of if something is not the best thing Ive seen then its the worst, everything is objectively 100% good or bad

imagine video tapping yourself decapitating baby yoda and not thinking this makes me look like a psychopath.

I work for a call centre, our ques are the busiest when something breaks and we get the most customer engagements on our Facebook when there are service issues . Usually our adds showing products get 2-4 comments. But when our servers are down there are 200-400 comments about it. And this is a small bank in the small country of New Zealand. These were critiques, this is customer feedback that their systems is broken and not functioning as intended

For me, I think the problem with The Acolyte is that it's the one thing Star Wars shouldn't be: niche. From my limited understanding, it's essentially an extension of and epilogue for the High Republic franchise of books & comics, showing the beginning of how the Republic fell from it's height by having the Sith start to re-emerge after centuries of peaceful silence & galactic expansion. But therein lies the rub: general Star Wars fans haven't really touched those books & comics, which contain what many would consider "lore-breaking" events and a surprising amount of queer characters. So when we have something from that era of Star Wars released into the wild for all audiences, a good portion of them are gonna be either disappointed because it just wasn't for them, or just reject it because it portrays Star Wars outside of their limited understanding of what the franchise can be. It reminds me a bit of Harley Quinn & the Birds of Prey from 2020: there were a lot of people who said they didn't like the movie because it was a very atypical, women-centric superhero film (and many still don't, judging by its IMDb score of 6.1/10), and it received generally okay reviews from critics. But over the years, it's found its niche among fans as a bit of a cult classic (myself included). My guess is that the same will happen for The Acolyte, and the other "mediocre" Star Wars shows. They aren't 10/10 masterpieces, they're just good 7-8/10 shows, and after a few years, I think we'll have people start to talk to each other, picking apart the nuances & themes of those shows, and feel comfortable enough to say aloud, "Hey, I like this, and it's okay for others to, as well."

Jedi didn't freaking kidnap kids, there's literally canon sources showing that they ask permission

Acolyte feels like a show that was designed to be released all at once and then disney chose to release it weekly. The start is a lot of setup and really slow in a way that opens it up for a lot of criticism in the early episodes.

Being a Star Wars fan nowadays is exhausting with how often people are willing to misrepresent the series in the false name of 'criticism'. Most of those people aren't engaging with the show for what it is, but what they want it to be and are disappointing themselves when they've set themselves up for failure.

Another thing about legends being "apolitical" being silly. People really like to trash on or joke about the whole "superweapon of the week" thing, but those stories were often very explicitly and obviously against the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction. Like, it's really obvious in the case of something like the Jedi Academy trilogy.

How could u watch the prequels and say that the acolyte made jedis cops?! Do they remember when they were war general🤨

You keep saying the witches are Dathomir witches. That’s just not the text of the show. They’re a force witch coven but Dathomir Witches are a specific one of those.

55:54 - she wasn’t just avenging her sister, she was also avenging her mother and her family. Her home was destroyed. Her character motivation is flimsy, but you can’t imagine agreeing with people you don’t like😂

1:11:20 I don't know why but I get super upset whenever someone destroys a plushie. Like a young child could have gotten it and loved it for years :(

That guy does a really good Anakin impression.

I am NOT a review bomber, this series was a crime and the ethics and attitudes that make *THEIR* show disregarding fans, DO NOT deserve sympathy. This is the only review boosting that's happening with this show, stop spreading the writers propaganda. Shame on you.

It´s funny to me that the fans are so enraged with the revelation that Osha and Mae were created by the force, because they say it ruins the Profecy of The Chosen One, talking like it was a legendary plot device respected by all the content made in legends, when it is just a retconned thing that Lucas invented out of nowhere for the prequels, because in the original trilogy there´s no mention or trace of that prohecy. And even if it was established in the original trilogy (spoiler, it is not), it is a very incoherent prophecy, cause in the canon of legends there are still jedis and siths out there in the galaxy even after Vader killed Palpatine and died.

24:11 That's a common criticism of the Jedi many people make, but they don't seem to realize that the Jedi _ask_ the children's parents to take them, they don't just kidnap them. In fact, it's better that they take him, because an undisciplined Force User would become a deadly Sith. It's not joining a cult, like many people try and paint it, but it's more like going to school. After all, how do you wanna do anything in life if you don't know how to properly structure your sentences, use proper grammar and know basic math? Except instead of teaching you math, the Jedi teach you how not to destroy everything with your mind. That, and I'm like, 90% sure there's an interview somewhere that George Lucas says that the Prequel Jedi are supposed to be them at their prime and not complacent. I might be wrong, but I'm pretty sure George doesn't have the same view of the Prequel Jedi as many fans do.

My biggest problem with The Acolyte is it hadn't enough Abigail Thorn. Sol is Latin, among others, for "sun". But, because it's pronounced similar to "soul", the potential for puns and symbolism are so obvious, I have used it more than ones. I been using the term "hard cannon" to describe stuff that will not change (movies and TV shows), and "soft cannon" (stuff that's cannon until the shows or movies overrides it) for anything else. Why would anyone make argument about soft cannon?

I had no idea that Acolyte (2008) was so bad.

Star wars once defined sci fi schlock and formed the basis that countless tried to emulate. As the years have gone on it's just become exactly what the others parodied, Star Wars exists now in a world where its influence has warped almost every contemporary peer. The only time I've seen it escape it's own gravity well even for a brief moment was Andor. I think most everyone has forgotten that Star Wars is just a setting, the stories told in it have to be good for the setting to matter at all.

The level of brain rot that haters are review bombing the wrong movie

1:19:01 Because they don't see it as a "review." It's a sermon. Their affirmation of beliefs. Nothing more nothing less.

Great video! But the witches in The Acolyte aren’t the Dathomiri witches

And here I thought Star Wars was about themes, aesthetics and concepts - turns out it's about route recitation of obscure facts from notoriously flexible lore. Thank you Star Wars Theory!

"Everything about the show was really good, but it has bricks in it, 4/10" - forgettable streamer at 34:00

As soon as the "w-word" falls, you don't really have to listen to what the other person is saying anymore. At that point it's not a review or criticism anymore. It's just hate.

It’s so hard trying to find a review of the acolyte that isn’t just a “culture war grift”. It makes it hard actually talking about the show’s actual story and content. I’m worried if people respond to more movies and tv shows. Every entertainment piece will just be a shouting match. 😔

Do the Paramount+ Knuckles TV series next. That's also being review bombed by angry archie and SatAM stans that want the Freedom Fighters back.

Ive been on nearly every side of Star Wars debates and in all honesty, it taught me that this stuff doesnt matter. Its taught me that these things go through cycles, that its okay to like something everyone else hates and its okay to not like something everyone else does. There was a point I genuinely had to consider going cold-turkey from the franchise because the negativity I felt towards it was that bad, and it was honestly fuelled by several of the people you talked about in this video. Since then Ive came to appreciate Star Wars a lot more and understand some of the things its saying because of the discourse around it, how to let go of hate because youre so attached to something and accept it for what it is instead of being wound up and yelling to the void about it. How history and culture cycle and how to break that, how just because you think you know how everything works or how everything is going to go doesnt mean apathy is the right response, and to fight for what you believe in is important. Star Wars means a lot to me, and I take it as it comes. It pains me to see a lot of people miss even though i understand where theyre coming from, and watch the echo-chamber of the "fanbase" push them towards something the golden child films warned against. Acolyte is fine, and I actually am really hopeful that the artificial controversy around it is going to highlight how shallow the current environment is. I remember seeing people writing off this show when it was announced years ago and that anger based on pre-judgement to me is the main reason this show is as hated as it is. Its been put in this weird position of being on "the bad" side of Star Wars where the boogey-woman Kathleen Kennedy is pushing her agenda while the heroes are off to the side making the Mandalorian, but I bet if Dave Filoni was attached to it people would be praising it right now for exploring new aspects of Star Wars, citing how the creation of Osha and Mae ties into the lore about Palpatine creating Anakin. Its funny but the clip of Star Wars Theory showing Anakin telling Palpatine about the Witches was actually kinda funny and interesting in a way he didnt intend at all. Hes trying to make fun of it because "lol how dumb does this sound" (the same thing people did with the prequels prior to The Last Jedi) but its actually kind of interesting whether or not the twins and Anakin would have a sibling relationship, and its funny seeing Palpatine not know something for once (though its meant to be you agreeing with him how dumb it is). This is long winded cause your video got me thinking a lot about Star Wars and my relationship to it and its fanbase so Ill try sum up. All this is to say that really, I think the reaction more highlights peoples bias and bigotry more than anything else. You can see it in how the most accepted thing in recent Star Wars was the show with a macho man doing badass things that for all intents and purposes had a pretty razor thin story, made my two white guys. While I stand by Star Wars is for everyone and has always had a diverse fanbase, it is kind of the poster child for stories that appeal to young boys and men, Its the same vibe I get a from a lot of EU stories too, and given that was the only material people had for a long ass time its not surprising that an attempt at a status quo change (but not really) has people up in arms like it always has. Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.

"...a game of 'spot the White guy'." Oh, noes! There aren't a bunch of White guys in my Star Wars! WAH! Seriously, dude, what the actual fuck?

I still need to read the third Earthsea book. People being mad about Ged being nerfed is hilarious. Did they read book 2 where he spent most of it trapped underground and needed help from the kingdom's princess (princess? It's been a while since I've read it) in order to escape?

Seems like the problem is the show defenders ignore the most germane criticisms, of which there are plenty, and fixate on the dinky meme criticisms, turning them into contentious battlegrounds that drown out everything important. Conscious effort to distort the narrative? Unconscious attempt to strawman all criticism and flee from the flaws in something they like? A mix of both, probably.

People who dont care about cannon scare me in a way cannon is important since it acts as a bedrock for which stories can be written with narrative consistency if you dont care what is cannon and what is not then as a viewer you must accept all writing even if it is bad and doesnt make sense since as long as someone accepts the "new cannon" then it is fine. Its like a history book if you dont care then you can believe a lot of things which you should not.

26:06 “Impossible! The news has said that Dewey defeated Truman!”

lol they reviewed bombed the wrong movie?

I was involved in Decipher’s Star Wars Collectible Card Game back in the day. There were no pre-prequels stories about The Clone Wars, because certain segments of the timeline were designated as off limits, because they were reserved for George. That should actually tell you how much he and Lucasfilm DID care about canon, because if they didn’t care about making the EU fit, then there’s no need to bother designating any portion as off limits. The truth is, it was and is ALL canon, it’s just that certain parts were considered stronger than others.

I have avoided seriously criticizing the Acolyte up till episode 7 and "I was going to let OSHA go". Turning into a fart monster to communicate that intention instead of addressing the point of conflict at the first opportunity is certain a...choice. And don't at me about autocorrect going all caps on OSHA. I'm not fixing it.

Can we also note that the still of the padawans only denotes the children's demographics by their separation from whiteness and masculinity? Not "black male" and "white female," but just black and female. Edit: I also want to say how deflated I feel about Star Wars Theory recently. I loved his content, theories, and discussions from the early teens, but it seemed like after he came back from the issues with his fan film he just became more and more negative and hate-driven (even though he rarely loses his cool, he does have a strong bias that at this point goes unchallenged in his content).

Them: "Do you remember the GOOD Star Wars, when it was made by people who actually cared for it?" Leslye Headland: "Well, I was /really/ interested in bringing back some EU ..." Them: "SeE, sHe'S jUsT fOcUsEd On HeRsElF aNd WhAt ShE wAnTs!!!!!11!!"

Star Wars trivia people when the thing that has been declared not canon isn’t canon anymore 😱

I'm very tempted to share this video to a server I'm in that's full of SW fans who hated the Acolyte, despite not having seen it themselves and rely on friends who seen it, though they'll likely ban me for it.

STAR WARS ISN´T SCI-FI!

my biggest complaint about the show so far is that theres no fucking lightwhip combat we got the one shot from the trailer and thats all we see in the show they bait and switch

Seoul is pronounced the same as the character's name...

Awesome video as always! Small correction, but the coven of witches aren't from Dathomir. Those are Nightsisters. Generally, people use the term witches for coven of women using the force in different form (Here we have the Thread). It's anther way to say "Force user"

I do want to point out with the general Geeks and Gamers set and that whole constellation of Star Wars guys, they engage in a TON of conspiratorial thinking. RealmW has a very good video from a few years ago where she drills down on a lot of the really whacky conspiratorial claims that they make around the production of various Star Wars projects. What's very funny to me personally is that Jeremy of Geeks and Gamers actually HAD made a positive review of TLJ, he uploaded it to KZfaq and then deleted it and jumped on the hate train because $$$. This is all prior to watching all the way through the video BTW. Speaking of good SciFi Three Body Problem is quite good and they're managing to like work in a bunch of stuff from all three books into the first season which tells me they have a solid plan for actually handling all three books. Also since this has come up after I posted that first paragraph, there were a LOT of issues with George's original vision and there's famous clips of like Harrison Ford and Mark Hamil both kind of clowning on George's terrible dialogue. Fundamentally the actual end product that you have a lot of nostalgia for was not the product of a singular luminary auteur. Tons of people had their own feedback during the making of the film and plenty of those adjustments were made based on that feedback. A lot of credit also goes to Lucas' wife at the time Marcia and the editing team for the original Star Wars for doing a lot to elevate the film as well.

For me, it’s not the fact that they changed kiadi Mundys date of birth. It was the implications of changing his birth. Like if they could change that, what else could they do to the canon to make it make less sense?

Whoever said star wars isnt political is being deliberately ignorant.

You’re telling me Palpatine mightve lied about the power to revive to manipulate Annakin? The supreme Chancellor? He would never lie. Thats never been established at all. I remember that everybody clapped when he made the empire, that means hes trustworthy. Retroactively making him more deceitful is totally clashing with his role in his story

Since you mention legend and current imma just list something I like better about current over legends. The inhibitor chips, they just make way more sense. Also yeah why go to bat for Ki Adi Mundi? He’s a piece of garbage that deserved his death…

We're in an age of depression in terms of criticism. I've been seeing more often a "death by a thousand cuts" analogy to any sort of flawed media. But the reality is i don't think many people would be seeing those cuts if they weren't predisposed to looking for them. It's kind of like in real life: you have to go to work, you have to work for a decently long time, you might expeirence some pain along the way, etc. people in a good state of mind can ignore these issues as long as they have something to look forward to. But a depressed person would be far more negatively receptive to them, simply because they are mentally trained to look for flaws. It's very much like that with criticism now. We've been so burned by the negativity surrounding media, either from media itself or the discussion around it, that we've lost perspective on the flaws of art.

Honestly though, what value do movie critics actually hold anymore? You can criticize things when they bother you or you see it as important to improve, sure, but when you make critiquing things your self-appointed duty, you start confusing your personal feelings with objective criticism. I no longer trust online reviews.

I really appreciate this. We need more good faith thoughtful discourse around Star Wars. My only pushback is that I don't believe that ppl like Nerdrodic and C. Drinker are actual fans. I think they're grifters. Maybe a small distinction, but I think it's important. That said, this video is still a brilliant piece of work.

I think Seoul is probably best thought of as having a long o? I don’t speak Korean but I do also know that 서울 is two syllables? And Google Translate has a speak function?

I think a lot of people struggle to separate all the haters of the acolyte due to culture war stuff and people who just think the show is bad.

I am not a huge Star Wars fan growing up. But one thing I feel so reluctant is enjoying it now. It's why I'm not into big running franchises or big series because it can be milked or the new entries cause more chaos. We all know how Harry Potter fans feel about Harry Potter and The Cursed Child. I enjoyed Star Wars but it wasn't the main movies, I liked the cartoons and spinoffs instead. I also enjoyed the video games and even LEGO too. So why have I gave up enjoying Star Wars rather than other big media? Well its simple really. I just feel that Star Wars is the biggest example of everything wrong with modern series these days with creatives and fans. The creatives use a big medium and then keep giving more movies it becomes frustrating to learn which lore of Star Wars is canon. And the fans keep on yelling and gatekeeping this series in the modern era at this point I don't know if I should genuinely enjoy Star Wars subjectively or objectively. It's my same experience with Shonen as a whole and why I decided to give up on a genre I stopped enjoying. Believe me I wanted to enjoy modern Star Wars but the discourse is making me so confuse if the people genuinely love something or cannot wait to tear it apart. That's why I gave up watching many commentary channels or other analysis videos unless the creator genuinely cares for the series but also accepts criticism and knows when to be humble. Which is why I feel so tired if we are the ones to blamen that our own egos and hubris on perfect mediums is blinding us to just...enjoy what we like.

Andor is butter, but it is interesting seeing this era of Star Wars From the perspective of the setting. I'm behind a few episodes currently 😅