Pervert's Guide To Ideology demonstrates this perfectly, it's very much a film made to establish a baseline to anyone that thinks apolitical or full "anti-ideology" (hello Ken Levine and his continued willful failure to recognize the strengths in his pre-critical writing/design talents) are things. The idea of art being inherently political and ideological, the idea of literally everyone inescapably having politics and ideologies, the idea that capitalism is inherently bad and normalizes bad things, the idea that dispassionate platitudinous centrism can easily normalize/legitimize fascism. these are far-fetched to liberals/centrists and dangerously revolutionary ideas that must be purged to most right-of-center, but are really mundane matters-of-fact to most anyone in the far-left. Beginner's guides to socialism are not bad, though, and I think it's actually kinda crappy that a lot of folks on the far-left say Zizek's work is worthless garbage to be avoided, because in times where practically everyone is having their internalized ideologies interrogated to degrees few are truly prepared for, many people are going to grab onto some flawed pop-philosophy, and i'd much rather Zizek than the glut of alt-right status-quo defenders that any social media platform will gleefully recommend more of if a kid searches for fearful affirmation that they're incapable of racism. We should still be very critical of Zizek, get people that listen to him to seek better writing and gain better understanding of many ideas he merely hints at (or, at worst, misconstrues with poor writing), and use critique of his work to figure out why his work is popular, and build on and over his flaws in that popularization, but he's still not a bad starting point for ideology that a massive portion of the population needs a starting point for. It's especially fitting that Pervert's Guide starts with talking about They Live, a film that certainly outclasses the average film of its genre, in its industry and of its time, and should set a baseline for quality, but its leftist themes aren't particularly deep--well-executed, sure, but not deep--and a lack of deeper understanding of its own themes is reflected by how its director hasn't gone on to make the most uh... Progressive stories in the world. Escape from NY is difficult to watch now for many reasons, not the least of which being use of sexual violence (and the ignorance thereof) for spectacle/edgy "cool" male-protagonist building. And I mean, one of his most recent credits was writing FEAR 3, a game riddled with drastic mishandling of gender, sex and masculinity, a game where one of the interviews with Carpenter has a quote of him saying "God of War had a sequence where it tells you to push the button to have sex with women, boy did i push the button!". Coincidentally, It almost acts as a cautionary tale for what might happen if you just stop at Zizek and say "yep, I am now maximum leftist, there is nothing more to learn!"

where did you go after him

Two main directions to go after Žižek; back in time to the foundational socialist theorists (e.g. Karl Marx, Friedrich Engels, Rosa Luxemburg, Lenin, Bakunin, Stirner, etc...) or to other contemporary socialist philosophers, such as listed by Olly in his video and video description. Going back to the classics is great because a lot of new works take them as assumed knowledge and/or refer to them and their concepts, but they can sometimes be a bit harder to read. You can always do both.

I find that the best zizek book was the first one (translated at least): The sublime object of Ideology. To make a refrase, pretty much after everything feels like a footnote.

Zizek is primarily a really, really skilled troll.

Until the left start making paid advertising or will always be like this, this is our omission.

@@fuckfannyfiddlefart "liberal communism"

Lefties usually keep ad tracking off and I think (but I have no numbers I’m just hypothesizing) that keeps analytics from not putting pragerU ads on for example lgbt+ videos. It’s definitely mostly to do with how much money they pour into ads but I think it’s an algorithmic problem too?

I use a youtube adblocker on Firefox.

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I sniff in your general direction!

and so on and so on

Olly gets high sniffing himself

No, i claim the opposite.

shniff

As a swede as well! Especially using the insect locus, with the reference of it in the bible...

why dont you read the book and see for yourself if it is really this disturbing in the context of the chapter which deals with biblical violence.

Without context it's disturbing, but in our modern world of globalized technocratic rule, most people have minimal value to the capitalist system, and thus they are effectively pests that, *sigh*, capitalists need to keep alive in order to not be perceived as monsters. So it's a point-of-view contextual issue. It's terrible to make the case that an OBJECTIVE view considers poor people as insects, but as we move through the 21st century and less and less people have actual value to the capitalist system, it's empirically reasonable to consider that TO THE CAPITALISTS, poor people are pests.

@@ThatLad20 I didnt find it disturbing in the context of that chapter, i mean i didnt even register it has a disturbing within the context.

"When those outside the structured social field strike ‘blindly’, demanding and enacting immediate justice/vengeance, this is divine violence. Recall, a decade or so ago, the panic in Rio de Janeiro when crowds descended from favelas into the rich part of the city and started looting and burning supermarkets. This was indeed divine violence… They were like biblical locusts, the divine punishment for men’s sinful ways. This divine violence strikes out of nowhere, a means without end - or, as Robespierre put it in his speech in which he demanded the execution of Louis XVI: “Peoples do not judge in the same way as courts of law; they do not hand down sentences, they throw thunderbolts; they do not condemn kings, they drop them back into the void; and this justice is worth just as much as that of the courts.”" In this context, Zizek appears to be using it as a hypertextual literary device in reference to the story of plagues in Egypt from the book of Exodus, and not as a dehumanizing way of framing poor people.

When the wise man points to the moon, the fool looks at the finger

His sniffs and grabing ears are ticks

actually he does quite a bit, yes

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@@queenisforever1 what's your problem?

I get that I'm super late, but Cuck Philosophy has a critique of Sam Harris' "The Moral Landscape" on his channel and he goes pretty in depth into how sloppy and careless the book is and how arrogant Harris' attitude is toward philosophy

sam harris is pro torture damn

To me, this also points out a larger point about how we tend to define history more by countries than by people and locations and how this can both improperly narrow the discussion and generalize it. I think there is a struggle in every country between the culture and history of the people contained within it's current artificially created borders and the state that needs to impose a homogenizing nationalism onto them. Is this a critical flaw in the ability to discuss a group of people in an area that is defined as a country, or is it something that just needs to be taken into account, like other labels that have their advantages and disadvantages?

@Y T Which era of peace and pluralism is that? I thought we were talking about US history.

Y T who hurt you?lol

@Y TYou seem to be confusing who you are talking to. I mentioned no historical injustices. What I said in this thread is that when you lump everyone's history into a country's borders you can lose information. As some of my family came from various areas between what is now considered Austria, Germany and Poland, this is a very clear concept to me as I look back at the experience of my ancestors as borders moved back and forth across villages my families lived in. On the other hand, there are important cultural and historical effects that apply to people living under the regime of a particular country's rulers at particular times, so what I was considering is that neither a people/group-centered nor a country-centered approach fits all situations. My question to you was what time period you were thinking was one of peace. My family has not known peace for four generations in this country. My grandfather's generation went to war, my father's, mine and my son's. From shell shock to Agent Orange to IEDs, I have not known a year unaffected by constant US wars. As Djuan correctly noted, all you are showing right now is that you have a chip on your shoulder and a tendency to swing wildly and miss clownishly. Take a breath and try joining the discussion instead.

@Y T Marine, Gen Xer, and I'm just seeing a little boy whose daddy should have given him more hugs.

I adore insects but I still know what people mean when they compare other people to them. It's never a compliment.

Someone quoted the full passage above and it's actually saying that poor folks rebelling against their oppressors is divine justice like the plagues of locusts sent against the enslaving Egyptians. I think in that context it's legitimising violence against oppressors rather than dehumanising poor people, no?

@@KoolKinchishKat interesting perspective but perhaps more rooted in the historical language meanings than the current language meanings.

Oren Ashkenazi A room full of a hundred second-graders with recorders. Yeah. I think I could compare those humans to a plague of locusts and the analogy would be apt. Anyone who thinks it’s abhorrent to talk about that situation in terms of locusts clearly has either never met a second grader or never heard a recorder.

Disciple absolute ideology

i would not tell you that, but do you ever see Bruce Wayne and batman in the same room? or do you ever see me and batman in the same room?

No, that's Bruno Díaz

Quite sexist to favour and support only women. No wonder egalitarianism is still a struggle. Feminists et al are ruining the progress, and claiming actual progress as theirs.

@@kokko9507 you sound cranky did you forget to take your daily nap time?

I can sum it up and provide someone who talks about it pretty in depth over various lectures. It pretty much is the use of the law to enforce the system of the state (race supremacy, patriarchy, capitalism, imperialism, etc.) rather than to truly provide justice. Michael Parenti has a few lectures in which he talks about the function of the police as being a form of social control. Definitely give it a look.

It's a disavowed transgression of the law that makes it possible. An example is the 'Code Red' in A Few Good Men that everyone knows exists and is a manner of course in the marines, almost necessary to their operations (at least in their minds), but can't be spoken of because it's 'illegal', but essential. These acts uphold the law in the name of the law while transgressing the law because the actor feels compelled to do so in his/her fealty to the law. These themes can be seen in the writings of the Apostle Paul too.

Omerta. Honor culture is the anarchistic system that leads into law. Once you have many thieves then eventually someone will find a way to get them to work together. A thing tends to come out of its opposite.

*tugs shirt*

Chickenoflight In the Marxist, or liberal sense?😲

Lass dir Kirche im doch

Ayoub Ouazzani In another Book of him he even talks about the failings of the left (which of course is modernist, because its the left) in the middle East and the emerge of patriarchal Islamism. (in the sense of "fascism is failed revolution") So I don't really know where the whole culture clash should come from.

Yeah zizek really likes using provocative ideas in his writing to get reactions out of the reader. I'm not entirely sure if that strengthens his points or draws attention away from them but i guess it's a valid strategy.

Zizek has elsewhere explicitly said that the primitive vs modern interpretation of Islamic Terrorism is misguided about the nature of global capitalism. Much like Wallerstein, he would instead ask how the modern global-capitalist order generates a society that sees itself as modern and another society that sees itself as a defender of a premodern tradition such that this narrative exists at all. Just to reiterate, he has said that Islamic Terrorism is a fully modern occurrence, brought about by the dynamics of global-capitalism. It just sees itself and is seen by others as older.

@@minabasejderha5972 He sounds like he's all over the place. What a waste of time to listen to.

@@tuffy135ify - Welcome to philosophers. 🤷🏻‍♀️ That's just how it be sometimes. A lot of Zizek is influenced by Lacan, and Lacan is heavily influenced by Hegel and Kant. Try reading some Hegel and Kant and come back to me when you have your eyes gouged out in frustration. 😂You'll be begging for the "eloquent structure" of Zizek.

why he doesn't have the academic, intellectual, or communication skills to fill a show box. I doubt a harris fan would even watch the video even for laughs. Olly is just another shill for poorly constructed identity politics postmodern nonsense

Whilst your response is interesting, I was more concerned about the flaws within the end of faith to allow for better improvement on the ideas stated within it.

What Identity Politics? Don't just assume because Olly is a red. Plenty of reds are opposed to Idpol, I would say more reds are opposed to it than Liberals.

+John Smith His bad bellyfeel over anyone criticizing islam is good proof of him being an idpol shill.

@@landonpowell6296 Maybe you should read the books he suggested first, such as on Islam and Terrorism and Islam and Women and Gender, but I guess you red pill-types like to wallow in your ignorance.

You're correct, quoting from the book: _"My underlying premise is that there is something inherently mystifying in a direct confrontation with [violence]: the overpowering horror of violent acts and empathy with the victims inexorably function as a lure which prevents us from thinking."_ He goes on to explain how this lures you in to a sense of outrage and urgency. A desired to 'do something about it', to stop the violence. That's why he makes that point that to properly discuss and reflect on violence, it has to be in a distant way. As an example Žižek here refers to a letter Marx wrote to Engels in 1870, when it looked like there might be a revolution in Europe, Marx wrote in panic: _"Can't they wait a couple of years, I haven't finished Capital yet!"_ When you're directly confronted with violence, it's tempting to revolt and jump to action, instead of sitting back and thinking about it.

Oh that's a thing Zizek fans do. They celebrate imperfections because zizek says that it is only by celebrating imperfections of something can you grasp its perfection.

@@maskman9675 Do you have anything to say besides your usual neckbeardy strawmen? No? Ok.

Are you maybe thinking of "The Pervert's Guide to Cinema"? That was a full documentary he did, but I think he's done other stuff on particular filmmakers too (especially Hitchcock).

They are already in the description if you click see more :)

To be honest, I don't think anything by Žižek is a good introduction to Žižek. He's an.. acquired taste. Then again, a lot of philosophers have that problem. They all build on each other, Žižek on Lacan, Lacan on Hegel. And by the time you understand them all you'll have three degrees. 😅

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Yup, it is a complete Shakespeare

Nope!

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Olly, I'm also interested to hear you opinion about Sam Harris, since he has given much to talk about in recent years. Perhaps you could do a review about his videos or his philosophy in general? He has some very interesting debates on KZfaq with Jonathan Haidt or Scott Atran. I leave it to your consideration :)

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YES! PLEASE!!

I did read Dennett's "Breaking the Spell" but I was on morphine at the time so I don't remember it

Ha! Well, out of the four "Horseman" he seems to be the most benign.

Maybe we shouldn't hate Collingwood, Or blame Religion on J.C., Or marvel at the racist kids who love... ... Public Enemy.

I'm so glad I met a guy online called Ennui Slave when I was 14 who taught me about socialism and corporatism, lmao.