Banning big cruise ships seems like an obvious solution.
@lotuskeksic5 жыл бұрын
Captain-K'nuckles Please yes
@jlahalo51035 жыл бұрын
Yes I live in dubrovnik my whole life and this past 7 years its been a nightmare to live in it During winter it would take 5 minutes to go and buy groceries in the old town but during summer, 30 minutes at minimum its awful And to one that said its bringing income to the city You need to know that people actually live in the city that city is not theme park that you can scream and shout as you like it during middle of the night. I had many sleepless night and the worst thing is you need to go to work that morning so tired and serve those guest with an smile on your face. If i could i would move out of there asap and everyone you ask that lives there, they would say the same
@lotuskeksic5 жыл бұрын
Kikaxe Me too i hate to go to music school all the way from lapad with tourists on the bus I think that there should be a bus for people from Dubrovnik and a bus for tourists and a way for citizens who are late to work in the old city (like my mom) that there is a separate way to pass like a tourist part of the city and a work,school and important business part of town
@jlahalo51035 жыл бұрын
@@lotuskeksic agree. And i didnt even mention traffic that goes on during summer. I could write an essay about that.
@lotuskeksic5 жыл бұрын
Kikaxe Traffic is the woooooorrrrressst
@vordag7 жыл бұрын
cruisers are the worst .. every day thousands of people are coming into the old city, making a few photos and leave ..
@k1eptoFTW5 жыл бұрын
Yeah but thats why we earn so much money every year
@BamberdittoPingpong4 жыл бұрын
Andrija Lonac And that’s the reason why mass and over-tourism is happening in the first place, without regulations: greed.
@eggyegg7775 жыл бұрын
It’s so sad that the locals are moving out of the city center. It reminds me of Venice, just a tourist attraction that may be beautiful but feels more like a theme park than a real town.
@pingu72715 жыл бұрын
Exactly!
@ricardopontes71772 жыл бұрын
Central Lisbon is like that, it's not Portugal anymore, when you cross the bridge it's almost like crossing into a different world.
@sorcerersupreme43002 жыл бұрын
So where are they living now?
@doberman_pinscher83482 жыл бұрын
@@sorcerersupreme4300 in other neighborhoods outside city walls
@olbiomoiros5 жыл бұрын
Omg this is so sad!! The people of the city deserve to live in their city without being bothered by tourists. Tourism is destroying the nature and towns of the Mediterranean.
@tonyado49275 жыл бұрын
Hah I live here,in Old town.I need to go one hour earlier from my home at work.Can't walk bcs of too much tourists in town,bus is full need to wait next..it's very hard at summer.. but at least we live from tourism,that is all what we have.. :/
@olbiomoiros5 жыл бұрын
Michael Jackson hahahahaha. That’s true, tourism does boost economy and for some countries it is the main industry. It has both upsides and downsides.
@u.v.s.55832 жыл бұрын
They need to clear the streets. Of course, with dragonfire.
@cazsnap6 жыл бұрын
I feel bad for the people that live there. It's not big enough.
@lauraackerman54026 жыл бұрын
Little Binch I LIVE THERE.... ITS BAD..
@JJJJ-gl2uf5 жыл бұрын
Beautiful place to live.... sad to see what's happening to it now.... @@lauraackerman5402
@justbecauseicould69585 жыл бұрын
In the winter its beatiful but if its summer you only go to the other coast beautiful beaches and almost empty
@jlahalo51035 жыл бұрын
Well if you ask anyone that lives here( dubrovnik) they would say that they would move out during the summer bcos its horrible to live there
@lotuskeksic5 жыл бұрын
Kikaxe I go to the island of Hvar during the summer every single year but I don’t know how it’s in Dubrovnik sometimes except when my mom comes to visit to chat and she’s like “UGH why are all these tourists acting like people don’t have work during the summer!?”
@rorekel5 жыл бұрын
Visit city and complain about people visiting city.
@saga28285 жыл бұрын
Well Daenerys burnt the town so the problem is solved now ☺
@ItsTony9892 жыл бұрын
Thanks Man.
@sunu845 жыл бұрын
Croatia is beautiful, beautiful people, beautiful culture, I loved
@davorlekenik95633 жыл бұрын
❤❤
@ItsTony9892 жыл бұрын
@@BlaBla-ge6by Im From Croatia
@marvinsilverman43942 жыл бұрын
@@ItsTony989 xD lol
@animewatch42135 жыл бұрын
Tax the tourists. Make them pay for it!
@Beefy_B0y3305 жыл бұрын
No one would come and it doesn't make sense for restaurant and caffe owners
@ArturKwaszyn5 жыл бұрын
ScrewT4ape they would. Taxes like these exist in many cities, in Italy for example. People still come.
@sofitocyn100 Жыл бұрын
Taxes / money doesn't fix all problems !!! People will still pay. What do you do then with the money, genius ? They should just prohibit cruises and reduce the number of flights
@brenlane98476 жыл бұрын
I just visited Dubrovnik in late October, and no crowds compared to what was illustrated in this video. We were told by locals just how busy it is in the summer. I'm relieved we missed all that, and it was still beautiful in the fall.
@newera4785 жыл бұрын
Yes, tourism tends to be very seasonal depending on region. It's the same all around the world.
@wajsdhwyasdjijiwjaisjdiw4 жыл бұрын
yeah it's really smart to go to Dubrovnik or Split or any other popular tourist place in Croatia or in any other southern european country considering it's still warm but almost all tourists are gone
@MrNaysh5 жыл бұрын
Its Cersei's fault, she allowed the Cruise ships to come now in. If the Dragon Queen ruled she would reverse this.
@saga28285 жыл бұрын
Franco R lmao xD Danny already burnt the town tho
@gce14935 жыл бұрын
How can you even enjoy your holiday when you are overwhelmed by the crowd and traffic. Too stressful which is ironic bec as a tourist your main purpose is to relieve stress..
@Elainerulesutube5 жыл бұрын
Game of Thrones and The Last Jedi were filmed there, hence the tourists.
@Ozymandias15 жыл бұрын
Both from franchises that were ruined in the end. How metaphorically.
@jhonnex33385 жыл бұрын
No it was frequent even before GOT. Not to mention the 80s. Because...history of the place.
@derbigpr5005 жыл бұрын
Neither of those added anything to the tourism. They increased the quantity of people, but reduced income.
@bethodman5 жыл бұрын
Eric Christen idiot.
@stevedelahunty38596 жыл бұрын
I went early morning 7.00am. (End of June). Hardly any tourist. Enjoyed my time. Climbed city walls at 8am. First to get to walls. I took one hour on half of the wall. Great views. Next half only about 15minutes as tourist hordes started to get in from other city wall gate. I was pushed around. Wasnt a pleasant experience. I guess that was the best I could do.
@katiepope87465 жыл бұрын
We went in November and walked through the old city essentially by ourselves at night. 🤷🏻♀️ Really beautiful, but it’s a shame if it’s hurting the locals.
@danielsnook50293 жыл бұрын
How was the weather in November?
@iadertina4 жыл бұрын
Usualy visited in spring - not to hot, not to crowdy, but not empty... I strongly recommend coming out of season. From march to may, if you can. Lovely city...
@reeloykenjins28356 жыл бұрын
Kings Landing
@petarticinovic27105 жыл бұрын
If you're in France you should be more worried about what you're being overwhelmed by.
@parmezan91575 жыл бұрын
As a citizen of Dubrovnik its horrible i dont even go to old city on summer city is collapsing before city was designed in the way that there aren't any small ponds on the floor today there are because of tourists
@Sindruzzzz5 жыл бұрын
Same with Oia, Santorini during high season. Especially during sunsets
@brunolaptalo94435 жыл бұрын
You've wrote down our mayor name wrong. Even tho the guy is not an important figure anywhere his name is "Mato" and you could atleast get that right, considering that he's the damn mayor of our overcrowded city, or as most tourists call it these days unfortunately......kings landing
@JoeSexPack3 жыл бұрын
He looks tall
@captainjack37874 жыл бұрын
Many Croatians are complaining about tourists and tourism but they have absolutely no problem ripping off every single person that sets a foot in Dubrovnik. Soon tourists will have to pay for breathing the "game of thrones air".. I have met few locals who managed to save and build a house by working 3-4 months in a calendar year... Millions of tourists flock Thailand all year round and yet Thai people are smiling and welcoming as this is their main and probably only major income!
@joeyjerry15862 жыл бұрын
Can confirm, it’s crazy expensive. Spent 250 freaking euros on game of thrones merchandise. Honestly, it’s like that so much in touristy areas.
@sofitocyn100 Жыл бұрын
@@joeyjerry1586 you shouldn't have bought that crap lol nobody forced you
@joeyjerry1586 Жыл бұрын
@@sofitocyn100, I’m not complaining, just commenting on how expensive it is
@jasrajsinghbhinder50335 жыл бұрын
Not sure what solution there is to this, but this is a recurring problem with high visibility travel destinations : The locals move out. A city is its people. No people, no city. Then, its little different than Disneyland - it looks nice and tourists come in droves but nobody would live there ; they just come to work or look around.
@floridaaguada91047 жыл бұрын
wow.beautiful place😍
@3093874215 жыл бұрын
People want to see Kings Landing before Danny burns it down 😆
@poojalili5 жыл бұрын
It did burn 😭
@Ivan-np3ls5 жыл бұрын
damn i was on a business trip in december there and was thinking how beautiful the city is, didnt expect that mass of tourism in the summer there.
@Akariuu5 жыл бұрын
I live in dubrovnik and when you walk trough the main street stadun in summer boi its like war you have to push and fight just to get to the other side and when you want ice cream you have to wait 4 hours
@cocogrande12175 жыл бұрын
ME TOO
@wajsdhwyasdjijiwjaisjdiw4 жыл бұрын
@Jlou Endaya in november the city is pretty much dead just locals and like %3 tourists
@ItsTony9892 жыл бұрын
Thanks To everyone Im From Split Croatia.Tomorow i going To Dubrovnik.
@JJJJ-gl2uf5 жыл бұрын
I was part of the UNPROFOR mission in the 1990s and our unit was stationed outside just north of Split. I had the chance to visit Dubrovnik in 1995 for about four days and it was very peaceful and beautiful, despite the war that was going on not too far away. Would love to go back but I'm sure I'd be disappointed given my previous wonderful experience....
@nikolanikola85434 жыл бұрын
Croatia is the most beautiful holiday spot in Europe!
@hanigharaibeh5 жыл бұрын
Kings Landing sure looks different
@scottwhitley33925 жыл бұрын
You should see Edinburgh in August, for the festival the tourists outnumber the residents 1,500,000 tourists against 500,000 residents.
@jbohnoff5 жыл бұрын
People are truly like cattle. Where prodded to, they will roam. Grazing zombie-like with very little creativity, passion or spirit.
@IhaveBigFeet5 жыл бұрын
The reason why people are flooding to Dubrovnik is because it’s safe! Less families are visiting France and Italy due to fear!
@2000wattz5 жыл бұрын
Reminds me of the time I went to Southeast Asia. Tourists were EVERYWHERE! I mean, what’s the point of traveling to a different country if all I’ll see is the same people from home?🤨😒☹️
@Niko-ju6rz5 жыл бұрын
HL Watts lmao, youre a part of the problem if youre a tourist
@dr.winstonsmith4 жыл бұрын
Get off the beaten track.
@themondayguy5 жыл бұрын
They should build a semi big airport near that city and ban the cruise ships.
@FrozenRoxas5 жыл бұрын
there IS an airport very near. not sure how big it is tho.
@saborivaille12586 жыл бұрын
Maybe i should just go in March
@sorcus21445 жыл бұрын
Sabo Rivaille Spring time and winter time are the best times to go, the place is packed in Summer usually
@kaijunjiang97635 жыл бұрын
Mass tourism is a a way to self destruction, like pollution.
@westernpigeon5 жыл бұрын
well this video just made me wana go there... sure i’m not the only one now.
@josephhutchinson94284 жыл бұрын
I guess the Coronavirus solved this problem for now.
@adamknight50895 жыл бұрын
It's crazy like that in Summer only - if you really need warm weather be ready to share it. Otherwise go any other season to avoid crowds
@sorcerersupreme43002 жыл бұрын
Im curious how is it during this pandemic?
@patrick_gerard_zec_de_almeida2 жыл бұрын
One of my favourite cities in the world. A part of my soul is there!
@Shushashir1115 жыл бұрын
I get that young people go because they saw it in game of thrones but why the heck are old people going there?
@jlahalo51035 жыл бұрын
Bcouse dubrovnik didnt get his fame from got and tourism in dubrovnik has been for almost 60 years. Like in the video they say that over 1 million turists visit dubrovnik every year(if not double that), last year 300000 of them came from got. Yes got boosted popularity of dubrovnik but dubrovnik has his popularity form being a beautiful city and not some film set from got
@shetookyoursmileaway5 жыл бұрын
Why should they not visit Dubrovnik? It existed before the filming of the series, you know... it’s actually shame that its known just because of the series...
@belmordok36617 жыл бұрын
I'm going to Dubrovnik each few days and there are a lots of people. It reminds me on zombie hordes, lol. Anyway, Dubrovnik is a nice city, but overpriced (hype and prices). Speaking as Hrvat.
@dim21086 жыл бұрын
Id be pissed off if I am a local..
@petitfranglais72206 жыл бұрын
The problem is that all the guide books point to the old city as the focal point. There are many beautiful things to see in the Neretva-Dubrovnik County. Most tourists for example don't even visit the Lokrum Nature Reserve, or Mount Srdj Fortifications... Instead they end up paying for example to see the Synagogue (& its badly stocked museum of replicas, reproductions & outright fakes)... and yet some of the wall murials & paintings found in older churches right outside the city walls are probably the most authentic... They just don't know.
@JJJJ-gl2uf5 жыл бұрын
I spent a fair bit of time in Croatia in the '90s. I think anywhere along the coastline would be nice..... lots of small towns and islands that are probably not visited by many tourists at all. Not sure about the current state of Plitvice Lakes National Park but that would be another nice spot to visit. @Peter Adonalto
@CrazyCroat20125 жыл бұрын
@@JJJJ-gl2uf plitvice is overcrowded to...
@nikolanikola85434 жыл бұрын
Overpriced??? Did you really say that!?!?!? It's not overpriced at all, go to Spain or Italy and you'll see what's overpriced... Croatia is cheaper and way more beautiful than those places!!!!! Stop spreading fake news!
@mohamadbalhas40835 жыл бұрын
I have never seen so much old people in one place!!
@arcabuz Жыл бұрын
Mass tourism is ruining the most beautiful places in South Europe
@jasrajsinghbhinder50335 жыл бұрын
As a tourist how can this be enjoyable at any level? I guess one would get that Facebook pic to put on your wall. But that would be a poor standard to judge the success of a trip!
@TheFreshEC5 жыл бұрын
Welcome to the modern world, mass tourism is everywhere.
@nsr59615 жыл бұрын
Roy fdhgdh keep having children and this will only get worse.
@scottwhitley33925 жыл бұрын
Nothing wrong with wanting to see the world
@stephenmcnally25905 жыл бұрын
Nice place, but if the weather isn't right forget it. Dubrovnik is a large town not a bustling city and there are a limited number of things to do if the sun is absent.
@Irishesbox115 жыл бұрын
Lisbon, Barcelona, Venice, Dublin are all no go areas now in Spring/Summer. Quick profit for a few but ruined lives for locals.
@KingScorpio845 жыл бұрын
raise the damn prices thats how capitalism work, let the rich spend their money there, until europes banking cartels that scam the population break
@pawansidhu83723 жыл бұрын
Croatia nice city
@Local_Guide_Cro5 жыл бұрын
I spent a week in Dubrovnik in July 2017 and I used the people-counting app/website to avoid the crowds in the old town. And managed to do that successfully.
@aftermathstudioproductions22304 жыл бұрын
My town: from 250k people to 2million people every summer. You can’t drive anywhere, you can’t get to the beaches, you can’t exist. Wherever there is heat, the human infection spreads like a disease.
@byzantineblue48185 жыл бұрын
Greed vs Heritage. Classic income issues.
@greben25095 жыл бұрын
I live in Dubrovnik and one time there were more tourists then citizens
@JoWalski865 жыл бұрын
Hello. Sorry to bother you but i have to ask. How many tourists are there now? :-) Asking because I am a tourist coming with my family tomorrow ;) We will stay in Mlini.
@greben25095 жыл бұрын
@@JoWalski86Sorry i don't it was on our Dubrovnik news so i don't know now
@Adriana.Gabriela5 жыл бұрын
@@JoWalski86 the true season hasn't begun yet, so there shouldn't be too many (as in the video), but there still may be a lot. Although the weather has been pretty weird recenty in whole of Croatia, so who knows, maybe some ppl changed their plans
@JoWalski865 жыл бұрын
@@Adriana.Gabriela thanks a lot for your response :) I can see the weather is acting up, but we are looking forward to come anyway.
@wahtusy35195 жыл бұрын
Well, in Boracay in the Philippines .. the number of cruise ships has been limited.. I think they should do that also
@e.m.22145 жыл бұрын
Come to Slovenia is a little crowded
@rhodestowndave89262 жыл бұрын
I viewed this as I was thinking of holidaying in Dubrovnik, not any more.
@markrcca53292 жыл бұрын
they could just sell tickets at the gates, to non-residents, non-citizens, etc. Charge enough money during the busy season, to actually reduce the incoming crowds. Problem solved.
@asterixx68783 жыл бұрын
Let the owners of the cruise ships pay 20-30 euros for each passenger on board the ships. At the same time, it would increase incomes and reduce tourism.
@mysteriousgirl44385 жыл бұрын
I went back in 2010 and there weren’t that many tourists back then
@boffo255 жыл бұрын
Because of the global recession
@mysteriousgirl44385 жыл бұрын
boffo25 yeah true i forgot about that
@frjimt94555 жыл бұрын
... go to split, labuski, zagreb, etc... some of the most beautiful places in croatia
@wajsdhwyasdjijiwjaisjdiw4 жыл бұрын
there's even more like Vukovar, Slavonski brod, Makarska, Pula, Rijeka and the list goes on
@sofitocyn100 Жыл бұрын
The istrian region mostly is
@alexsdb97129 ай бұрын
Fees/taxes costing in the hundreds, to land and enter countries. Reduce flights, and implement different prices: locals/citizen prices, and then prices for non-locals. Enough is enough.
@moezlamloum5 жыл бұрын
funny to see that european tourist have the same effect like immigrant when they go massively in a touristy city lol
@jayuppercase33985 жыл бұрын
So immigrants visit for a few days and give an enormous economic boost to areas? 🤔
@Leon.Stanic3 жыл бұрын
Wtf I love immigrants now?
@33bigmoney6 жыл бұрын
this is like genocide of locals by tourism
@user-zo8hs4yh2h5 жыл бұрын
Woah dude, genocide seems a bit too far. Stop throwing the word like its nothing.
@lgbtaresins11 ай бұрын
I want to back to there
@avacx6 жыл бұрын
I’m here July/August time and I was expecting it to be so busy and uncomfortable but it’s not at all
@jfhow5 жыл бұрын
Charge the visitors to enter the city.
@leigh75075 жыл бұрын
Its happening to Split now as well - I couldn't believe how popular it became over a 5 year period. I hope its not in Zadar yet.
@michaelwiggler5115 жыл бұрын
I hated venice because of this
@anneneville62556 жыл бұрын
everything is because Game of Thrones. So perhaps when the shows ends, the tourism will decline
@himzooglecevac93566 жыл бұрын
Maureen Kitty lol,I live in Dubrovnik,and Dubrovnik looked the same before GoT,and was popular and full of tourists. So the only difference is that the rest of the world if founding out about it lately.
@ivanlonza89866 жыл бұрын
Dubrovnik is popular tourist destination waaaay before GOT. It is tourist destination for 60 years. GOT just made Dubrovnik popular in USA.
@alexstar51826 жыл бұрын
I agree Game of thrones destroyed Iceland too.
@nefer08106 жыл бұрын
I live and work in Dubrovnik and can tell you that the Old Town was full of visitors way before filming of GOT ever started. The only real difference is that nowadays there are a lot more people from the US visiting
@jlahalo51035 жыл бұрын
Got just boosted tourism even more and you cant deny that. I live there and by the nubmers, 300000 tourist came to the dubrovnik simply becouse of got Yes dubrovnik had tourism long before got but my mom pulled out an photo album from 2003 and 2004 and in the middle of the summer there were hardly 10% tourist in the old town compared to the last 7 years.
@cams.32875 жыл бұрын
develop another area ( thats valid and wont endanger any native wildlife ) to redirect tourist traffic.
@Hakabas015 жыл бұрын
its because its kings landing.
@headkickko6095 жыл бұрын
Her eyes are incredible and I do have a thing for redheads.
@sorcerersupreme43002 жыл бұрын
Im curious how is it during this pandemic?
@josephinewinter7 жыл бұрын
they just need to wait until everyone's forgotten game of thrones - be a while, but it'll happen. It's a shame everyone's moving out, it won't be a real lived-in city any more, i know it's inevitable but it's a shame an ancient walled city becomes a museum and that continuous occupation, that tradition, ceases
@xy3677 жыл бұрын
Dubrovnik is famous with or without Game of Thrones.
@redknight48056 жыл бұрын
Now they re doing a Star Wars film there too.
@ivanlonza89866 жыл бұрын
Dubrovnik was full of tourist waaaay before GOT.
@jasamkojajesam61085 жыл бұрын
@@brucewillixaspirinix9652 No it won't, it was popular way before that show
@MrLangkahKanan5 жыл бұрын
The news presenter eyes..wow
@OFFICIALFUNUSBAND Жыл бұрын
maybe the gallery owner is not a good curator
@sinfulangelz72045 жыл бұрын
Dubrovnik: *suffering from success* (Jk)
@jarekjaro73255 жыл бұрын
1:11 Również pozdrawiam Panią :)
@Johnyboyknowsbetter3 жыл бұрын
What about today? Any problem with tourist??
@markoknezevic62903 жыл бұрын
No tourists
@blck73984 жыл бұрын
Been there a week ago, it is not that full now :-D.
@mislavsplitski7522 Жыл бұрын
This is what we fought for.....
@jorgegomez5245 жыл бұрын
it will not be long to people start revolt and seriously limiting ship cruises. worse kind of turism.
@Happy_HIbiscus2 жыл бұрын
dude, this is sad
@lucky19895 жыл бұрын
Aww so sad, too many tourist dollars
@phillipmanzon5166 Жыл бұрын
i want to travel the world, but not at the expense of those who live there
@lisadee44905 жыл бұрын
thanks for the Game Of Thrones i’ve been there two years ago and on November less people and it’s Beautiful
@BellambiFredRoberts5 жыл бұрын
Omg....not going anymore
@MrBasic714 жыл бұрын
Dubrovnik was everyone's but it was never a croatian city... Thanks to Tito it became croatian. The shepherd loves his sheep the most, doesn't he?
@croatianmaster81786 жыл бұрын
Yes Croatia is beautiful but too many tourists TOO MANY
@RoseSharon77774 жыл бұрын
Need some better city managers.
@willrichardson59315 жыл бұрын
Game of Thrones has done to Dubrovnik what The Beach did to Thailand
@lotuskeksic5 жыл бұрын
I hate to go to the Old Town when I have music school in spring and fall
@parmezan91575 жыл бұрын
@Duke Of Istria zasto bi lago u gradu je muzicka skola
@1Anime4you5 жыл бұрын
King's Landing is getting too crowded
@Zerin6664 жыл бұрын
This is what puts me off from traveling these hotspots
@imanjavanmardi641 Жыл бұрын
So many of my friends are getting moved out of their homes so the tourists visiting Split can move into their homes. The Digital Nomads/expats move in, the locals move out =(
@Beyonder19877 ай бұрын
Ive never heard of this city lol but seems sad
@PLuMUK545 жыл бұрын
This video confirms my innate dislike of holidays. My last one was a two night trip about 12 years ago. I couldn't wait to get home. I feel sorry for the residents of places like this. There is a belief that tourism brings money in, as stated by one of the tourists, but that money rarely impacts on the majority of residents, who do not own shops and bars, etc.. In most places many of the staff in hotels, bars and restaurants are outsiders, there for the season, often foreign students. Stratford-upon-Avon was the place that I used to go to do my shopping, but it became impossible as the ordinary day to day shops were replaced by tourist traps. The out of town shops are like every other out of town site, and traffic is appalling. I no longer shop there. The same happens it places like Dubrovnik, people move out because of the crowds, the lack of shops for day to day living, and the lack of facilities. However, I also feel sorry for the tourists who are falling for the lure of these places. They arrive at a place, are herded like cattle, see only things above head height, and are ripped off in every bar, restaurant and cafe they enter. "Ah, but the memories they have" you might say. Well friends of mine who have travelled to many countries have admitted that they get confused between different places they've visited, and have often said that they did not see very much because of the crowds. So not many memories there. I shall continue to enjoy my home, with, perhaps the odd day trip (though it's almost 2 years since I was more than 20 miles from home). If I want to see a place, I've got KZfaq, and now I can also say I'm doing my bit to save these sites from destruction by over tourism....