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When To FOLD A Full House

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Күн бұрын

Caller rivers a full house and gets check raised on the river. Bart walks him through the hand and then remembers a blast from the past that he played in a similar spot 10 years ago. Link to Bart's hand in an old 2+2 post is here: forumserver.tw...
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@CrushlivePoker
@CrushlivePoker 3 жыл бұрын
How often do we think that the caller in the hand is beaten here?
@JConboy87
@JConboy87 3 жыл бұрын
Uhhh, almost ALL of the time
@marcgoone
@marcgoone 3 жыл бұрын
100%
@marcgoone
@marcgoone 3 жыл бұрын
the only time in history ive ever seen someone who cold calls 3bets (read: bad at poker) who has check raised bluffed a river all in is mike postle
@BeetJuiceCuresCancer
@BeetJuiceCuresCancer 3 жыл бұрын
Based on the preflop action, you would think the guy who’s first to act would check with EVERYTHING even 88. This is a spot where someone, usually the old man, will bet this type of flop. I’d bet only 5% of the time in this exact configuration, that it checks all the way through on the flop
@danpini6400
@danpini6400 3 жыл бұрын
Almost always unless it is a very loose (and bad) recreational player that doesn't mind doing that with A high flush.
@pmam1968
@pmam1968 3 жыл бұрын
Folding is logical but actually doing it in a live game holding a monster is still impressive. Great play.
@jackbittker4249
@jackbittker4249 3 жыл бұрын
I would throw up on the table hopefully covering the cards in the middle and then call the floor.
@Gizziiusa
@Gizziiusa 3 жыл бұрын
the vomitus emitus tactic. nice play.
@nat2r
@nat2r 3 жыл бұрын
This is a great call in. Thanks Bart
@jeffwilliamson1090
@jeffwilliamson1090 3 жыл бұрын
I was David Chan in that hand . That made me laugh.
@williamr4053
@williamr4053 3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely excellent fold by the call in. Most set over sets get it in on the river when a boat comes in. This is one of those instances where you’re shown 1st or 2nd nuts. Likely aren’t going to run into 6s full and then just a shove on the river. How deep they are is the only way I could get away from this hand. $500 or $1000 deep and I’m going busto.
@johnmaynard3463
@johnmaynard3463 3 ай бұрын
everyone in the world is going bust 100bb deep
@Daniel-fo9jf
@Daniel-fo9jf 3 жыл бұрын
Bart I like the new intro but I think it would be best if you blur out or block the community cards somehow so we can't see them. I think most of us like to play along and strategize what we would do on certain flops, turns and rivers and the intro kinda ruins that if we already know the entire run out.
@yioti1234
@yioti1234 3 жыл бұрын
I just skip the into cause it ruins the call in. I agree with what you’re saying
@kristermister4791
@kristermister4791 3 жыл бұрын
I guess that's the trend now for intros but no big deal to skip ahead.
@samuelnemetsky4088
@samuelnemetsky4088 3 жыл бұрын
gotta make it clickbaity.
@tonycatalano4338
@tonycatalano4338 3 жыл бұрын
I’m going to be perfectly honest, I don’t think I’m good enough to fold a full house
@mikeiodice9090
@mikeiodice9090 3 жыл бұрын
Look how deep the stacks are compared to the pot. He isn’t beating anything that’s raising for value. This full house is basically a bluff catcher for a 3x all in
@freddiehavens9066
@freddiehavens9066 3 жыл бұрын
If it was a half pot bet maybe call. Pot or more fold.
@pokerqAK47
@pokerqAK47 3 жыл бұрын
I’ve done it two times in thousands of hours... actually 77 too. Twice 😄
@user-hy4jl3uj9e
@user-hy4jl3uj9e 3 жыл бұрын
Lol, I would say I'm not good enough to food either, but considering that big river jam, I'm probably folding.
@380_pound_black_womans_sto3
@380_pound_black_womans_sto3 3 жыл бұрын
@@user-hy4jl3uj9e You must start treating your food better.
@xN0xB0DYx
@xN0xB0DYx 3 жыл бұрын
LMAO he called you "barty"! XD
@Mathemagical55
@Mathemagical55 3 жыл бұрын
I don't normally fold full houses but this seems like an excellent spot to do it.
@evadecaptcha
@evadecaptcha 3 жыл бұрын
I've had a situation twice where I've been beat by quads in similar situations, except I had top set both times, and got stacked both times. 1) I had AA and flopped a set. I slow played, but started betting the turn, slightly worried about a flush draw, and the board ran out 22. I was happy with my boat and got allin on the river and villain turns over 22 for runner runner quads. 2) Other situation was even crazier. I have 88 and the flop is 787. Get allin, and villain turns over 77.
@roryfoster5541
@roryfoster5541 3 жыл бұрын
love your content Bart, I watch basically every video you put out on this channel. However, I'm personally not a fan of the short opening spoiler type clip, I prefer to just watch the hands play out. Just my opinion.
@kristermister4791
@kristermister4791 3 жыл бұрын
This hand makes my head spin in all the right ways.
@iamawuss
@iamawuss 3 жыл бұрын
Curious about villains decision to jam river. It’s such a big raise. Surely you would want to choose a 2-3x sizing?
@warrantofficerclass1j340
@warrantofficerclass1j340 2 жыл бұрын
Well, if you want all.
@Alexander-tg3ys
@Alexander-tg3ys 3 жыл бұрын
This gives me alot of inspiration to analyze the hand, by looking at the actions on each street and most of all keeping composure when i make a big hand on the river and consider whether the card may have helped my opponent.
@fevolenko3995
@fevolenko3995 3 жыл бұрын
I'm often surprised by Bart's thoughts. He's not leading out for fold equity if he has A3s or 9Ts or 78h or sets... He's either betting with what he thinks is best on a very wet board - to isolate old guys alleged AA in hopes of getting the easy double up, or he's building the pot whilst taking control while the bet size needed is small relative to later. If he whiffs turn with A3s he can decide what to do then but for now it's a great time to rep a big hand and build a pot while shedding multiple players that could all pose a threat on numerous turns... K spoilers - every street is new paragraph. Now let's see who calls folds or raises and what the turn is.. Ok so I WOULD raise the lead bet with 777. I doubt the old guy folds if you make it 250-280 with a 5k effective stack.. not sure why I wanna let KsKh see the 6s for only $120 and only have ~600 in the pot at the turn.. I hate the turn bet. It's so small and on river we have no clue where we are. It's a bad situation because if nut flush was slow playing its harder to get paid on the river. It's potentially the worst river because now we lose to 88 as well as 33, but all the hands we do beat are more scared. I think better to have built pot earlier and pay off 88 if bb actually has that.. I feel like if bb IS a good player he wouldve check raised the A high nut flush, so his river raise is repping 88 33 or str flush....right?
@ewawilsons
@ewawilsons 3 жыл бұрын
There was a hand in High Stakes Poker where Phil Galfond had K9 versus Eli Elezra with KK on a K99 flop. I don’t remember the betting but Phil was able to lay it down to a large river bet. I don’t know it I could have done so.
@Javis586
@Javis586 3 жыл бұрын
Galfond had K5o not K9 lol, the board was 99Ks9sQs. Eli did have KK though & Phil did fold river
@ewawilsons
@ewawilsons 3 жыл бұрын
@@Javis586 Thanks for the correction. I didn’t remember the details, only that Phil made a (to me) difficult lay down.
@SuperSlayinJJ
@SuperSlayinJJ 3 жыл бұрын
This was an awesome hand! I really enjoyed this one.
@TheTheagent07
@TheTheagent07 3 жыл бұрын
wow great fold brother
@gregjohnson6793
@gregjohnson6793 2 жыл бұрын
My favorite called "uh, it doesn't make any sense what I do next..."
@brokenojoke2612
@brokenojoke2612 3 жыл бұрын
I remember you talking about your hand on hands from a cash game. I remember the quads and you wondering if you should raise on river or something along those lines. Good ole days when I was young and chasing the dream.
@windy6455
@windy6455 3 жыл бұрын
Jamming that big with full house way this played out is crazy. Thought he had quads or straight flush forsure.
@sean3533
@sean3533 3 жыл бұрын
Best call of the day
@goodsuggestionbutno6783
@goodsuggestionbutno6783 3 жыл бұрын
Very good video, and i think the image of the player plays a big part too, as discussed in the video. Like, you never really reraise a raise on the river with a flush on a paired board, and a tight, nitty player never really have the balls to bluff with so much action behind. A reraise with a flush on that board will look more like a bluff with all that action behind
@commie22
@commie22 3 жыл бұрын
Against a thoughtful player who donk leads into 4 players on flop, check calls turn, and check raises all-in river...seems like you’re rarely good there, especially when you consider you’re not getting an amazing price to call. Hard to fold a boat though, don’t know if I could. Very interesting call, great stuff from Bart as always.
@bohs1984
@bohs1984 3 жыл бұрын
I would NEVER fold top full house unless there was a one card straight flush or one card quads. Otherwise, I guess I'm getting felted.
@jackbittker4249
@jackbittker4249 3 жыл бұрын
Top boat is the bottom of the range of someone 3xing the pot on the river. Maybe pocket 9s with 9 of spades? Are there any hands that do this as a bluff?
@chinggis_khagan
@chinggis_khagan 3 жыл бұрын
That's what I was thinking but would 99 lead on the flop? Maybe he could have A9 of spades? Do many players turn the nut flush into a bluff instead of just calling??
@jackbittker4249
@jackbittker4249 3 жыл бұрын
@@chinggis_khagan no they don’t haha
@xN0xB0DYx
@xN0xB0DYx 3 жыл бұрын
@8:40 what does he mean when he say's "I guess it really didn't hurt that bad"... like what???
@300zxster
@300zxster 3 жыл бұрын
How are you behind pocket 33
@alee3476
@alee3476 3 жыл бұрын
Bart..just wanted to say you have an amazing brain!! :) 👍
@stew6776
@stew6776 2 жыл бұрын
You can hear the pain in his voice on this call
@guybrushthreepwood8174
@guybrushthreepwood8174 3 жыл бұрын
If that guy actually had 88 is that an overplay?
@kennethchia4194
@kennethchia4194 3 жыл бұрын
It's remarkable how similar the caller's hand is to your 10-year-old Hollywood Park hand.
@moneymikz
@moneymikz 3 жыл бұрын
1456 blinds deep?? That's a crazy structured game
@modestomouso1234
@modestomouso1234 3 жыл бұрын
Lol for real tho
@jaimev001b
@jaimev001b 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Bart.
@mrx7181
@mrx7181 3 жыл бұрын
300% pot river check jam from villain in this hand was a horrible play. If you're not getting called by sevens full and certainly getting called by 3333 and better, this bet doesn't accomplish anything. I think hero finds a call in this spot if the villain sizes properly.
@johnwallner
@johnwallner 4 ай бұрын
Leading the river bad
@eltoroloco1936
@eltoroloco1936 3 жыл бұрын
When counterfeited and when the villain shows a bigger full house. :)
@380_pound_black_womans_sto3
@380_pound_black_womans_sto3 3 жыл бұрын
What is somebody doing sitting at a 1...2 table with 5 grand?
@shaunelliott8583
@shaunelliott8583 3 жыл бұрын
Winning, maybe?
@danpini6400
@danpini6400 3 жыл бұрын
Playing 1-2-5 stake with more then 1000BB is crazy and opens up room for big errors and major bad beats. And at 1000BB deep the strength of the opening hand is much less important since the applied odds make it profitable to call much wider range then you should with 100-200BB. If you want to play with 5K or more, why not go and play at 10-25 stakes. At least the ranges would be easier to define.
@the_roflcakes
@the_roflcakes 3 жыл бұрын
Insane hand
@davidculhane4388
@davidculhane4388 Жыл бұрын
Moat people in live chat saying this is an easy fold would get stacked here all day every day.
@DPAFLESHER
@DPAFLESHER 3 жыл бұрын
Would you say the river jam by the villain is an overplay here? If hero is supposed to fold out 7s full, gotta make it like $3200, right? If so, does villain have to call with 8s full if the hero had 3bet jammed? Or is that a fold too?
@pokerqAK47
@pokerqAK47 3 жыл бұрын
Most ppl can’t fold a flush there 😂
@DavidMoncrief
@DavidMoncrief 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Bart, it looks like for the latest videos you may be having an issue with your video (camera,edit?) It seems to flash a bit on playback.
@CrushlivePoker
@CrushlivePoker 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, that day the lighting was low and the camera was flickering due to auto white balance. This wont happen again now that I discovered the issue. Bart
@gregorydelange2084
@gregorydelange2084 3 жыл бұрын
Bart, Is folding pre-flop ever an option here? You have two calls after your initial raise, a re-raise, and a call of that re-raise. Is this just a spot where the odds are too good to set mine? Cause with all that action after my raise I'm not confident in 77
@krztix
@krztix 3 жыл бұрын
ye should've been a preflop fold
@davidn82
@davidn82 2 жыл бұрын
I had this hand nearly yesterday but I called… Turned 777 on a 10 3 2 board River comes 3 Board is 10 3 2 7 3 I bet 10 on turn, 25 on river Villain shoves and I snap call… I would’ve said he was a LAG and I should have thought about it…
@pot_kivach160
@pot_kivach160 3 жыл бұрын
Calling vs folding 0.75:0.25 V could have anything from pocket 99….AA, 88, to 9Tss. The size of his raise does not support absolute nuts here. On contrary, it suggest he was afraid to be called. He wanted to force his opponent out of hand. Therefore: bluff. Q on river: did V put H on a fullhouse? If the answer is “no” then this a blatant bluff. I call.
@blakefredrickson6506
@blakefredrickson6506 2 жыл бұрын
Can we talk about how terrible the river raise is by villain from $800 to $6,000 ?!?! If there’s ever a way to scare off a worse full house, this is it. 3x’ing the pot on a board with potential for two straight flushes and quads in a hand where lots of strength was shown because it was multi-way and all 3 players made it to the river. There is literally one hand that he could’ve gotten value from with a raise, and Hero held it, but he blew up the raise so large that he even got Hero to fold. Should’ve gone no more than $3,000. Maybe even less to invite a bad player with Ax spades to make a crying call.
@ryanlisterman1864
@ryanlisterman1864 3 жыл бұрын
The title sounded crazy than the decision, with 2 possible straight flushes and the absurd over bet. Seems difficult he’s value betting worst than Hero.
@williamzagarella8066
@williamzagarella8066 3 жыл бұрын
That is 1 hell of a fold. Top boat only losing to a straight flush OVER JAMS for 5300 more lmao looks totally bluffy or nutted with a straight flush. Just a crazy over bet and he probably put you on exactly 77 and figured he could get max value. He should have went to 2200 and you snap it off. Great freaking fold man.
@dontich
@dontich 3 жыл бұрын
6 hands beat you -- need 5-6 hands you beat here to call. -- yeah its hard coming up with them... maybe 73dd, 83dd, A3s, AKs, AQs, AJs but that requires him to be crazy aggressive on the flop and then decide to over-shove 4X pot?? ; yeah hard to imagine he has anywhere close to that. interesting coming up with a calling range here -- is it just 910s, 54s, 33, and 88, and if so is that balanced? I mean you are suppose to be folding out a ton of hands here and idk if 77 is in the top 25% that leads 800 on the river.
@kingrock2443
@kingrock2443 3 жыл бұрын
How crazy is to even consider a straight flush, basicly You never ever see that, btw i had one few weeks ago ace to 5 and didnt get payed much
@Gizziiusa
@Gizziiusa 3 жыл бұрын
already worried about a str8 flush on turn, and a possible higher full house or quad 3's on river and you bet $800 ? just check it to him and see what happens. sheesh.
@bsm121
@bsm121 3 жыл бұрын
Yes check back full house to the button who will check back smart lose a shit ton of value. Villan is BB hero is utg he has to bet ,pot is 1k a 300-400 range would be more ideal. Only hand that can be turned into a bluff are 78 hearts, 910 suited except spades obviously. A3 spades is suicidal When villan LEDs out into 2 people on the flop worst hand will be ax spades or combo draw or 78 but even then all those play better as a check raise spot. Hero should of re raised flop instead of giving old guy in position a good price if he has ax spades. The other mistake is betting turn especially so small when he said he believes button could have AK spades or AA/KK . Regardless 95% going broke in that hand with 7s especially if he didn't slow play the flop by just calling
@FastdounutTV
@FastdounutTV 3 жыл бұрын
wth kind of game is this? 125 with 7200 effective. damn
@freddiehavens9066
@freddiehavens9066 3 жыл бұрын
How are they this deep stacked in 2 5? Easy fold with the 6th nuts facing that big a bet getting such a bad price.
@freddiehavens9066
@freddiehavens9066 3 жыл бұрын
@@seanariamd9581 yes you are correct. First I asked how are there 5 better then I deleted that comment. I at first was counting all straight flushes as one possibility but yes there are 3 ways to make a straight flush here on this unusual board. Thanks for the insight.
@bondjames5874
@bondjames5874 3 жыл бұрын
@@freddiehavens9066 seems like we could heavily discount 5s9s
@bondjames5874
@bondjames5874 3 жыл бұрын
heh I get my old hands wrong, too. makes me feel better about it.
@CapLobo
@CapLobo 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Bart. You always talk about hands that you need to call with on the river. Isn't this hand one of them? Or is this river check raise just never a bluff?
@chinggis_khagan
@chinggis_khagan 3 жыл бұрын
What bluffs could he possibly have, given he led on the flop and the draws got there? I guess he could be turning a flush (with blockers to the straight flush) into a bluff? Maybe a solver would turn 2-pair into a bluff, but do many people do that?
@blakefredrickson6506
@blakefredrickson6506 2 жыл бұрын
Let’s say MDF does matter here, which we could easily argue it’s not at these stakes against a river raise. Villain is risking $6,100 to win $1,900. That means we’d need to defend with 24% of our hands here to prevent us from being exploitable. How many hands might Hero take this line with? We’ll assume he was wouldn’t make this river bet into two villains with A-high flush, as boats, quads, even straight flushes are well represented by villains. That leaves Hero with 88, 77 (3 combos each), 33 (1 combo), T9s (1 combo). Maybe 54s but not sure it calls the preflop 3bet. So we’ll call it 8 combos. He only needs to call with 2 of them to reach MDF. That’d be the T9s for the nuts and 33 for quads. He could even fold 88 here and he wouldn’t be exploitable. I think Hero’s fold was the easy decision (though difficult to let go of in real time). The better question is if Hero held 88 what should he do in this spot? MDF says it’s a fold and I think that’s probably the right play. No need to bluff catch outside your MDF, and I doubt villain is value raising anything we beat, even 77.
@eugenesis8188
@eugenesis8188 Жыл бұрын
These kind of hands make me physically ill. Even if folding was the right call, you're going to be awake that night thinking about it. At least when you lose at showdown, you can blame it on luck. Folding anything above a queen high flush always feels like there's a giant pile of money that's on fire, and you're just going to walk away and let it burn.
@roryfoster5541
@roryfoster5541 3 жыл бұрын
also when was the last time anyone saw someone C/R river for 1200BB with a hand that's not the virtual nuts?
@jdmchann5969
@jdmchann5969 3 жыл бұрын
Easiest fold in the world my ass🤣
@patrick_kyker
@patrick_kyker 3 жыл бұрын
I def would have raised the flop. 5 people you would think somebody had a flush draw.
@patrick_kyker
@patrick_kyker 3 жыл бұрын
I could see flatting top set but not middle.
@MrZgpeter
@MrZgpeter 3 жыл бұрын
To me it looks more like a „high stackes“ exploit. Not easy for rec. players call 5k. Villain may have had blockers for a straight flush. Story stinks: hero shows 77, villain says he had 88, but 33 and straight flushes would have him beat. And villain also checked the river.
@krztix
@krztix 3 жыл бұрын
in my opinion the hand was just played very wrongly should've been a preflop fold and if not you wanna check raise the potential flushdraw of the BB at least to more than 1/3rd of the pot (to deny his equity) on the turn you wanna check back and assume you are beaten (straight flush, 88, straight and nut flush) you should never get to a spot like this if you play correctly
@jamesjackson8381
@jamesjackson8381 3 жыл бұрын
Non nut full house on the river facing an effective 5k more raise after a trappy looking check raise by the villian in a 2/5 game. Yea im folding all day. Not sorry! haha
@patrick_kyker
@patrick_kyker 3 жыл бұрын
eak 6th nuts.
@bluerushing8563
@bluerushing8563 Жыл бұрын
Uhhhh sooo
@nsant
@nsant 3 жыл бұрын
Does the guy ever have 6,6 that he would donk lead with?
@DescartesRenegade
@DescartesRenegade 3 жыл бұрын
Would a flush check-jam? No. Would BB have 83 or 73 and would that check-jam? No. Hero can't beat anything. 88 and 33 would play like that, T9ss would've raised on turn. Hero is 99.9% beat. That 0.1 is BB is if BB got a text from someone that he just won a lottery.
@wiseguysavant
@wiseguysavant 3 жыл бұрын
kim folded quads before
@fekigrejps7859
@fekigrejps7859 3 жыл бұрын
Love you Bart but dich the intro plz!!!! Such a spoiler
@FefeLeVrai
@FefeLeVrai 3 жыл бұрын
I'm shocked opponent donk bet the flop with top set.
@PastingKing
@PastingKing 3 жыл бұрын
Opponent got lucky that someone else hit this flop
@SeanBenson23
@SeanBenson23 3 жыл бұрын
I’m not. He’s ONLY thinking about the button. He wants the button to raise with AA/KK so that he can stack him
@DistantTrick
@DistantTrick 3 жыл бұрын
so often I see these great folds that just remind me how bad I really am
@davidh3928
@davidh3928 3 жыл бұрын
Doesnt sound like this guy has a lick of sense to even have $7k to play with. I would stereotype him as burning money and then be shocked when he takes me to value town lol
@Anthony-nv7gd
@Anthony-nv7gd 3 жыл бұрын
This guy sounds like he has no idea what he’s doing. Literally no idea. The turn bet seems like an atrocious bet.
@lukamilas8648
@lukamilas8648 3 жыл бұрын
That guy doesn’t sound like he knows what he’s doing.
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