i'd be the first to order one of those :)

@@mkader2494 i'd be second :)

Not just the prime hand, literally the only hand besides maybe AJ suited? Loses to AT, JT, JJ, TT, AA.

I don't know, like it could be that being as polar as possible (which donk shoves usually are though at these stakes maybe slightly less) just maximizes the value villain gets from the weaker parts of hero's range without inducing many more folds. Obviously if he knew hero had QQ would have played things differently.

Def. If QQ folds you get value from literally nothing. You get owned when he has a boat or quads. Which to some extent hero could have any of them.

To make the play the villain has to have to put you on exactly Queens...which he did. Villain is a tricky player indeed. Very dangerous value bed given the board as JJ, 10 10 VERY easily in Hero's range

Line was terrible, Hero would have called river or at least called a bet 50% (900) on the turn. Then the bet all in (2250 in to 3600) would be a lot better of a price.

I love it too. I use another one, minsesh, when you're just gonna play for a little bit. Or, if you feel like bombing a tournament, you can say " I'm gonna minsesh this tournament" lol

Agreed

Right, as played, vill could also jam with AK to put pressure on heros QQ and get off of a chop with AK (because I think hero takes a stab OTT with AK some of the time). I don't like vills line at all, but it's not as unbalanced as it seems IMO.

Isn't standard 3x last bet plus the remaining $ in the pot? Could be 4x plus?

His river bet weirdly only targets QQ? or some hero calls with 99s at most. No sense to bet all-in in the river against AK, so you would rather bet small and induce a bluff. A bad play since he's not valuing any hands except the hand the hero had exactly lol. Which is quite lucky and unfortunate at the same time since hero folded. AA would almost always C-Bet the flop or would delayed C-bet a larger sizing on the turn. 99s should bet on the turn to make AK, AQ fold when you double barrel and their draw doesn't come up in the turn.

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You would have wiped me out, because I thought villain had AK. One of many reasons I almost never play, I am....not good.

@@timmyp34 If you think about the hands opp can have here, AK seems pretty unlikely after the turn, really even after the flop. But if you just consider KK it makes a lot of sense. KK calls down small bets in this spot all the time, he's really likely to be best here, and especially with the sizing, I think calling is perfectly fine in his spot, raising sometimes is fine too. Raising or calling is fine for opp. And it's not that far out of any player's range to do this with KK in this spot, I think. Obviously both players have great hands. They're probably AA KK QQ JJ etc. Well jack on the board makes JJ less likely, and then Hero's bets made it less likely still. Hero could have AA here, and be value betting sometimes, but his bet here almost directly signaled QQ, when opp had KK in hand. It could also be KK, but that's fine, because we either win or chop. Sometimes hero will show up with Aces instead of kings betting like this, but I think it's rare. Aces wants to size big post flop on all streets. Takes a LOT of discipline to slow play that board with AA. It can be done, I have done it, but it's a risky proposition and you have to be ready to fold.

There's nothing wrong with it, but be weary. You could kill the action, you could upset people and then they won't give you any action .I think it's more detrimental than beneficial. If you say that to a whale, you could kill your whole game. Like Bart said if he gets up and leaves, what was all that for? Whales have no rhyme or reason. They don't construct properly lmao. You're not getting any information seeing a whale or a fishes cards. Another pro? Different story. By all means, do it. Recreational/whale/fish, I recommend not doing it. It's happened at one of my tables before. Only guy giving action showed me his cards cuz it was just me and him in the hand, somebody chimed in with the show one show all, he got upset, didn't leave, but changed the whole game. He wasn't talkative anymore, he wasn't giving as much action. Whole aura at the table changed and the next 2 hours of the game were brutal. I ended up leaving it was so bad.

The primary purpose of the rule is to discourage collusion. This is essentially a "don't tap the glass" pet peeve... any edge gained from seeing those cards is going to be far less important than keeping a player who is good for the game at the table. Most feel the same way about demanding to see a mucked hand at showdown.

@@AvatarKava I admit that I am a recreational player who is lucky to get to the poker room once a month. I have often seen a player who is in the hand show his cards to the person to the left or right who were not in the hand before mucking their cards at showdown. In this case, the player is giving information about his hand to a portion of the table and that doesn't seem right. If they were not in the hand, why should those players get the benefit of this information. However, assume that I am in a hand at the turn and fold on a river bet. At the river, both players call all bets. I would like to know the value of the winning hand and mucked hand if there is a showdown since I folded on the river bet. If I put money in pre flop or post flop and have to fold to a bet, I will not ask to see a showdown. I only ask the question because I don't want to disrupt the unwritten rule of the game or have players who like to bluff get embarrassed by showing their hand. Any comments are appreciated.

@@beachliving3127 you're within your rights to ask and none of the points you are making above are incorrect in regards to how that information can be valuable. In the end, if your goal is to give yourself the best chance of winning, you usually don't want to risk doing anything to discourage the weakest players at the table from continuing to play. Sometimes that means not exercising all of your rights at the table to the fullest extent. The weakest players tend not to know rules like this and forcing someone to show a hand in this situation (while completely legal) will often result in them getting angry or embarrassed and just leaving the game.

@@AvatarKava Going forward, I will only consider asking to see a player's cards if he shows them to their neighbors before mucking at showdown. For me, this is not right. I don't think a player is going to show their neighbor a bluff but only a hand that might have been counterfeited or a weaker hand but a calling hand. We will see. Thanks for the information. You definitely don't want weaker players leaving the game. I have seen some folks complain that a player catches that inside straight early in a session and starts to berate them a little regarding their play. This is absolute nuts because you want him to continue to chase hands because most of time they won't win and you can get their money. Last time I played, I was at the $2/$3 table with a buy in of $400 max. There was a young player who was playing every hand and had $1,500 in chips at one time. At the end of the session, all of his stack was gone. Luckily, all anyone said was encouraging to keep him in the game! After he lost most of the stack, one guy told him to reload because he might get lucky again.

You’re not losing to AK, AQs.

Bro I’m always gonna be like “what’d he have?” If someone shows someone else their cards or exposes them to part of the table. I’m always trying to get information on my opponents and that’s a legal way to do so🤷‍♂️ I don’t think there’s anything wrong with it. Next time if u don’t want that guy to ask to see the cards u and ur friend can text what each other had

@@wompwomp7177 yeah I was just echoing Bart’s sentiment with my own experience. You’re totally fine to do that, you just become similar to the annoying reg that Bart mentions here which caused a VIP to leave

@@maff_ yeah like Bart was saying I would never do this above 2/5, at a private game, against a rec (bc who cares plus we wanna keep him happy), etc. But on the casino floor against some better or solid regs at 1/3 or 2/5 (the bulk of my hours) I needa see them cards bro😂 especially when they’re all gonna take any opportunity possible to do the same to me

Do you sit at a table and not want to know whether a player had a bluff or the nuts after a big bet? I'll ask to see it 90% of the time if I think it matters at all. No need to be a dick about it but especially if they habitually show their neighbor that is am absurd amount of info

​@@wompwomp7177that's fine just know nobody wants to play with you, having to get 60 cents worth of info at every opportunity well done sir 👏