Thanks J&J

I already insulated about 80% of the cabin with R13 insulation so it fits in my 2x4s..I just learned about that wool insulation and am finishing the rest with that..Wish I knew about it beforehand, but I'm learning as I go, so I'm going make a lot of mistakes..but it's a process..appreciate the comment and advise..thanks!

love that idea..thank you Judi..how was the creosote build up? was it nominal? look forward to trying..

@@bearlylivable Not bad at all... I guess about normal.

thank you! It was so fun and frustrating to build, but I learned a lot..The fan is great as it does the job, with no electricity needed and for places our size it sufficient.. I will I think take the rails off he top of the stove through and make a steel plate to place on top of the stove to make more room for other things liek a larger kettle or pan to cook with..The fan takes up most of the stove as it is..

much appreciated

you nailed it Phyl..

thank you!

Thank you buddy, but I kind of thought that's what I was doing here on KZfaq. But I don't seem to be getting any traction. And my wife will not do the jobs that I asked her in a bikini so I can't get any more likes subscriptions 🙄

I burn oak and still have a lot of creosote. I love the stove and it puts out heat.

Cubic mini wood stove not sure if saw my reply but I use oak and still have creosote problem. Love your stove but this seems to be a problem beyond the double wall pipe.

I'm about to move into my van and I would like to get one for my self can I get some ideas

@@patrickstottlemyre7874 Sorry for the ridiculously late reply but I just noticed your comment now. There’s a contact of mine that lives in the UK who’s doing what you are doing and I believe his site is called van life. I’ll try to look it up for you and attach it to the next response

Here it is His name is Matt and his site is called My Off Grid Life

haha, haven't heard that one in a while..Harrison and I are growing raggedy looking and older together 😁 thank you for stopping by..I'm hoping to add more character to the cabin soon

@@bearlylivable hi there! May I ask how much smoke comes out of the flue? I’m trying to consider how obvious it will be to my neighbors. Thank you!

@@kallen9731 Not too much, but a lot will depend of the type of wood you decide to burn..The Indians used to focus on branches as they held less water and sap to keep smoke to a minimum, esp with Douglass Fir and other available resources in the non coastal north west areas ..But softer wood and wood not seasoned properly will let other know you are burning. But overall, it's barely noticeable..

@@bearlylivable thank you 🙏

You should see how hot that guy keeps his own place. I go over and immediately open a few windows and hide from his wood stove. He’s the funny one😄

I had the same thought process when I was setting mine up...The hard wood pieces cut into hockey puck shapes really hold the heat much longer than some of the available wood I have up here at this altitude which is basically Pine and Apsen..So I mix it up and use the harder woods I collect from other places at night..

Neat idea, but I am thinking a small easy to install a small propane wall or space heater. But even this stove would do the trick for a while..I just am not sure how much time it can keep us warm in a winter here, even if only for a month at a time..Making ice in the summer is another project for sure..I think a solar hook up with a few deep cell batteries would power a small fridge and freezer...keep you posted..

thank you..I will definitely push that thermometer a bit higher..

I have a small 8x16 guest cabin at our remote cabin. I tried a boxwood stove and it drove me out. This look like the solution. I get 15-20 below but the building has R19 in the floor and walls and R53 in the ceiling.

I think me and the wife drove through your neck of the woods a few years back and on to the Olympic peninsula looking for a suitable place to build off grid or just more remote.. Beautiful area..bet your views are amazing. ..

appreciate the input and nice words about the cabin...It's an eternal work in progress, but fun for sure..

It’s a beautiful cabin matey and it’s lovely to be able to watch all you guys on KZfaq as here in the uk where not as lucky Thankyou so much 🙏🏽👍🏽

appreciate the tip..thanks!

I also learned while adding wood , I take a few paper towels ( DRY ) and give the glass a quick wipe.... keeps it clean alot longer. And when stove is cold I use damp paper towels and ashes out of stove to clean the glass. Works well.

Marshall like that idea..I was going to ask for advise on keeping that window as clean as possible

best location is 18 to 24 inch above the stove on your stack. better than magnet is the probe "show actual exhaust temperature". Buy one on Amazon around twenty bucks.

Part two: wood stove provide a space for a control burn. you must understand that "fire" is uncontrollable,; you're only contain fire. too much fuel and/ or air is the problem. the goal is " radiant heat". that"s from a bed of thick "hot" coals. once coals are establish "don't overload" add your largest round stock on both sides only, and walk away. That's the maximum efficient of your stove. hope this helps

YES... YES... There you go I learned that back in 92

The cub is not rated for coal. Beware of carbon monoxide

thanks Kevin..i actually got a regular sized stove to use for the shed, but when i realized how small 200 sq feet would be, i knew id cook myself out of this place, with the rare exception of temps falling well below 0...At 160 ft, I believe you may experience the same depending on where you are and the altitude i will admit i really wanted the heated surface on top to cook with, but i still can do small cast iron on top of this one..( I may rip off the guard rails & fasten a larger steel plate tgat i can remove so i can cook on it snd still maneuver around the hot stove) i also have a bed in the loft and it can get really hot up there when the stove is cranking.. it is small, but for my particular set uo it works great..if you were to put a larger one on one side of the shed and slept at the other end, that could be an option..

Its the Grizzly..my hand would never fit in the cub version to clean it out..it's really small.. Good luck with yours

I think that's the best way to go..you're right, that page is a great resource. thanks!

Do you have a link to the bricks by chance?

thanks Steve

sure have.. trying to find a something decorative as the stove is the first thing I see when I come inside and kind of a center piece.. but i never consider actually lining the actual stove..need to look into that.. i want to cut a larger surface steel plate for the top of the stove to cook on..was hoping the metal absorbing more hear will release more as well.. thanks for the suggestion

It's still a little bit of a construction zone and I do intend to put a nice video together when it looks more put together. But here is a video I posted when I 1st built the place with 2 other guys.. We put it up in 2 days and then I took it from there.. It's a bit long so ye confess forward to the last 7 or 8 minutes and there some time in there...its on my feed but here is the link so it's easier to find...kzfaq.info/get/bejne/h7d9raV4tpm4iJ8.html

@@bearlylivable , awesome, thank you!

you bet , Ronnie..I kept cleaning it, but got sick of that..when the fire burns really hot it tends to clear up more.. it's nice seeing the flames and sets a nice ambiance even when the window is a bit gummed up..

This stove unfortunately doesn’t have an “air wash” system like most modern stoves, when I first got mine I had troubles with it blackening out really fast, I’ve found a few things that helped. 1, having really dry wood is important with a stove this small I’ve found, as my firewood seasoned fully it made a big difference. 2, get a stove pipe thermometer and mount it at the right height, when lighting the stove leave the door cracked part way, you’ll hear the fire roaring as the air rushes in. Once the stove is up to temp close the door the rest of the way and since it’s hot enough the soot doesn’t have a chance to condense on the window. 3, some soot is unavoidable, but a piece of newspaper dipped in cooled ashes does a good job cleaning it

those are really nice stoves..I have something similar but talked myself out of it as I needed the space around it to get up my stairs to the loft and was told by a few who live up here that the large wood stove would cook me out of my little cabin....but when I spend long periods of time in the winter here with the temps getting into the -20°f ranges I may want to reconsider. thanks a bunch!

the only problem I see with this little guy producing enough heat for you in that cabin is the consistent heat throughout the night. Last week it got to 2°F, think that's about -16° C and I was fine..but I sleep under some warm blankets and pray I don't need a bathroom break. We went to bed and it was just about 60°F inside and by 6:30 am, after it burnt out, it was 40F The fire will burn out much faster than a conventional wood burner, but if you are lucky enough to have some good hard wood, like oak, walnut etc and cut into 2 inch disc and stack them on a little pyramid, they burn longer and hotter and you won't be feeding it all night and day for that matter. If I do again, I would change a few things. first I would have built the walls and trusses with 2x6's, so I could get thicker insulation. I built with 2x4's and I had to use R13..(Also would use the wool vs fiberglass) And since my design had the stove by the bed, I went with the cubic mini for extra room and did not want to cook myself out of the place. so it works for me with the fan, but the wife, if pressed would like more warmth.. so I would say if you can get at least an R value of 20 and above from the floor to ceiling, and get good windows you should be fine. .on a side note, if we didn't have a big dog who wasn't so babied and had to curl up with us at the foot of the bed, I would have built the bed up in the loft, which would be much warmer.. I do have a Mr heater buddy as a back up for when/if I need it..I just haven't needed it that much.. good luck with your place..if you post your progress, would be fun to watch along

@@bearlylivable Thanks for the detailed and quick response!!! I will take everything mentioned into consideration. I also was debating framing in 2x6 and think you may have just nudged me in the right direction!! I am presently slowly buying materials/windows/sliding door so everything will be new and made for my climate. I already own a grizzly mini and all the materials needed for the install, but I was doubting the info on their site (says it can heat up to 400sq ft)...I do have tons of hardwood on my land though, so that would help. Understandable for the dog, I have two big babies myself. But I will be sleeping in my loft, they can have the couch haha. I plan on building next summer and I will post my progress as soon as I can get my video editor working again, I haven't posted in a long time because of that. Feel free to sub!! Again, thank you, cheers bud!! If you have an Instagram account, let me know. I am much more active there and I'll give you a follow!

@@BeardsandBranches I do..but its mainly just a fun site, but its cpwsg@insyagram..I will definitely follow you back . looking forward to following the progress..cheers

I would. Like to see that

3/8 is cheaper and more readily available

Aussie Farmer Not a good idea with modern stoves. They already have relatively low flue gas temperatures due to the efficiency of the stove, lower it further with water pipes and you have a recipe for a poor draw and creosote.

@@spencerwilton5831 You are absolutely correct. The pipe needs to get and stay hot (which is why double-walled pipe is essential) to keep proper draft; to mess with this is potentially hazardous. My general recommendation is not to take any advice from random commenters on the internet regarding situations as potentially dangerous as wood stove operation without thorough research. There are people who understand thermodynamics and have experience and expertise in these matters! It concerns me that so many people with little knowledge are happy to offer such bad advice, so thanks for helping keep people safe!

i am going to take off those railings and forge a 1/4 metal plate that goes on top of the stop and cut a slot for the pipe to go through when I find someone with a acetylene torch so I can have more room on to to cook on. But I agree with you, if they had a larger one to just add or take off would be really helpful.As for the temp gauge, I just stick on the side of the stove towards the top and seems to work there..

@@bearlylivable it works there BUT its function is to warn of over heating stovepipe up near the ceiling. with these stoves its not an issue. I made a huge metal heatshield behind my stove which I soon tossed, no heat danger on mine

I don't know if they will make it custom or for one of their option tops but I am reasonably sure you can measure the thickness and have a local scrap metal shop or welder cut a hole or slot for the stack and lay it on top. I've seen some pics on line of folks who did that. even adding an inch around three sides or more would work well. The stove cooks so much faster when all is going than other systems.

this is great..never heard of these heaters..just looked them up and its definitely an option..thanks so much for that lead..I can't order it until I get up to Idaho as they won't ship to CA...but love this option..thanks again!!

A few nights ago, I'd definitely agree..got to minus 17° F and was pining for the normal size wood burner..actually pulled out the mr heater buddy in the am..dogs water frozen solid.But for the most part, it handles whatever weather comes this way .I need the extra space in this small place. Contemplating adding a small propane heater with a 25 gal tank for those nights..

I'm stocking up on hard wood now and cut it up for seasoning..thanks Mark

Yeah I was thinking of putting up a battery or solar powered fan to circulate it down but the eco fan works pretty well.

it could be....but was just up there and had a minus 14° f for one night and we did pretty well..it never got warmer than the high 50s but not too bad...the fan directs the heat over to the bed and stays trappedu nder the lower ceiling there...but we have flannel sheets and lots warm blankets and a large dog thats a snuggler thank God...

just posted a little walk through as it stands now, JJ....If you go back into my vids, I have the complete build if you are interested..If it is too long, just fast forward to the end and you can see how it went up..# of us did it in basically 2 days, once we cut up all the 2 x 4's before hand.. It was pretty basic..here is the link if you have trouble finding it...and good luck..It's a lot of frustration but even more fun and when you spend that 1st night in your place, you will NEVER forget that feeling..All the best...kzfaq.info/get/bejne/h7d9raV4tpm4iJ8.html

@@bearlylivable Thank you!!

yeah Jim, I have R13 as it was build with all 2x4s..We get a lot of days well below freezing up here..mostly due to the altitude..but your correct about the space conservation in such a small place..I shelved the full size stove for this little guy to move around better..I have been looking at the Buddy heater as well for when it drops below 0..

​@@bearlylivable Thanks for your quick response & I hope you stay comfy this Winter!

Many thanks!

I will..its still a construction zone and doesn't look so great..building a small bathroom, laying a floor, wiring, kitchen area, underfed storage..the list goes on. I know that's mostly excuses..I had to leave to get some work done to pay the bill's but will be up there in late March. I'll do a little walk through and post it...you'll see the mess..😁

thats a good question..never thought of that when I light it up and probably 30 or so minutes into the burn, its well below freezing in the cabin..so its all cold air going in...poor dogs water is usually froze solid in the am....after that, I am happy its comfortable inside..ill have to dig into that more..if you find out anything, I'd love to know as well.. I am going.to build a larger metal plate to go on top to make it more usable; cooking and hot water etc, but so far the little guy does the trick for this small place

interesting idea..May have to look at that..thanks..

I’m afraid that is incorrect. Changing the temperature of anything, including air, takes energy, and obviously, it takes more energy to make a larger change in temperature. Thus, cold air will require more energy to heat than warmer air. That’s not an opinion, but a basic fact of thermodynamics.

The place is really very small and with the wife and 125lbs dog, it can get cramped..I really put the stove to the test this winter and it did pretty well.the fan blows the rising hot air right at the bed. It is definitely colder on the other side though.. But you are definitely on point about cozying up by the stove..so often I took for granted something as simple as heat and the effort it takes to stay warm in the winter.. Now if I could just fond a way to have it produce cool air in the summer when the there is no breeze.🙂

it's definitely wirth considering . I hear those in envio-logs are really good.. I will probably buy a few boxes of those and see how it goes before ordering such a large quantity. But I love that idea.. I can always chop wood for the outdoor fire pit I guess..😁

@@bearlylivable Google North Idaho Energy Logs. Good stuff. One pallet is the equivalent to a cord of wood.

@@blueschild61 will definitely look them up..thanks again!!

It cleans pretty easy with normal glass cleaners or even water, but when I get it real hot it just burns off. At least most of it does. You may still have a little left around the corners

Sorry, it's not..it the Grizzly..perfect for my 200 foot cabin, but I would not if it were any bigger...it was 6° last night and we were warm

Hi Jackie. I always have a co2 monitor close by and so far I’ve had no issues. We are mostly hovering around zero degrees here much of the winter here and I don’t crack my window’s because it’s all I can do to keep it warm as it is. Maybe others have had different experiences but so far so good. 😊 good luck!

@@bearlylivable thank you for the reply. A wall mounted one isn’t ideal for my space but having one without the air flow intake was a little concerning. So I figured I’d ask around to some actual users of the stove. 🙂

@@bearlylivable another question, what do you use as the base/floor of your stand for the wood stove? Getting conflicting suggestions on what would be a good material to use.

@@jackiedavidson682 with this little stove there’s not much heat under it I made my base with 2x6s and wrapped the top with black tin. I wanted some storage under for the wood and this worked for me You could get away with something similar, maybe add some cement board

CMWS is an excellent company that wants to make sure that people are as safe as possible in any situation, so I don’t doubt that their safety measures are written with the best of intentions. However, it is nearly impossible to build a house that is truly air tight and leakage even in well-insulated homes will provide more than enough fresh, oxygenated air to replace the air used by one of their stoves. Also, we all learned in physics class that heat rises, so there is little chance of anything under the level of the stove becoming hot enough to combust. My stove is on a wooden platform and even when it is at its hottest, the wood underneath is still cool enough to touch.

just short of 2 feet..wall is completely cool right now and the fire is roaring.. I was building a heat reflector for this but I may not do it now as there does not seem to be the need..

I bought one for my conventional sized stove, but didn't even know they made one for this little guy..The flue is double walled and only 3.5" and I'd have to drill through one of those ..I regulate the flow through the dampers and it seems to works pretty well..

@@bearlylivable Think they do make dampers for that size but you have to order them on-line. Slowing the heat dumping straight out the stack will help a lot.

appreciate that..will check into it

I was also looking for this..Maybe the lack of info may have something to down to the amount of ash it leaves (just my guess) but it caused me to read more about the idea of using hemp as I understand it also burn clean, efficient and with only 2% ash residue..I dont know enough about it yet or even where to get it..(I am also sure he industry on Hemp is going to be in limbo for a while as still it still considered the same as Marijuana to the less informed out there.) If anyone else has more info, I would love to hear more..

Perhaps this idea of modification will incitate someone who has the skills to lead this experiment. The interest is to be able to burn fuel for one night without having to get up. It is therefore advisable to circulate this suggestion. An endless screw could be used to feed it continuously in very small quantities in the descending branch of an inverted V-shaped conduit.

not sure of the exact model number, but there is a Grizzly (larger one) and the Cub (smaller one) I have the Grizzly

I think much of it depends of the type of wood..Mostly we are subject to the areas around us, and where this place is, my best options are Aspen, but I bring up a lot harder woods from down south each time I head up which burns much cleaner, hotter and longer..When I head back up in a few months, I will try the envirologs and see how that does with the creosote. Will post an update for sure...

Yup. You have to burn it full on to avoid the creosote buildup for sure. And it does happen. 😉 Too small a stove to maintain enough heat to burn the exhaust completely. That's a fact, so cleaning the flue and cap is an issue for sure.

That is spectacularly bad advice, unfortunately. Do not mess with the flue pipe at all; it must stay completely open, so draft is created! The folks who design and build these stoves know what they’re doing, follow their advice, not random comments on KZfaq videos.

It is. But only R13 in walls and ceiling joist as they are built with 2 x 4 ‘s. And R23 in the floor as I had more room there.

Agreed..but the magnet does not with the stainless steel pipe

Interested to hear what better ones are on the market??

Please give a link for cheap and better !!

I was asking around as I had the same question Joshua..not 100% sure. but I think I'm going do a mix of hard wood cut into disks and mix in some of those enviologs also cut into disks so the heat is released more evenly and slowly..

Coal wasn't recommended. It didn't work well enough for me. I sold my Grizzly. I'm allergic to propane and my property is in a very remote area with lots of free wood but I found these stoves to be too finicky for me. I tried everything and used more compressed wood logs, which I had to buy, last winter, when I still had it.

@@SimplyLesa thank you for that Lisa. I was thinking the same thing about that as well in regards to coal...I'm looking forward to giving some of the hard woods (which I need to bring up there with me as my areas best resource is Aspen) along with the compressed wood to test in sub zero temps later in the winter...my guess is I may most likely need to get a secondary source of heat..I will for sure post what i find when i get the opportunity.

I burn coal in mine. The trick is to start with a hot bed of wood coals and use only the front damper to keep things hot toward the front. I thought that was a pile of coal on the left of the stove and this guy had figured it out. 🔥

@@ReuvenEtzion yeah, I saw it too and it triggered my question, i used to live in an area where coal was cheap and plentiful. We used it along with wood.

I am..if my stairs weren't so close I might consider a larger stove as we had some sub zero Temps which require a lot of feeding wood. I also would like a larger surface to cook on, like on a normal sized stove. But I plan on keeping it righr there and possibly cutting a 1/4 " piece of removable metal to create a larger surface area to get a cast iron skillet on.

maybe it's the camera angle because the cabin is 200 sq feet and I'm 6'3" and it does not feel too big at all. 😁 but the opening between the two lofts does allow much of the heat to drift up, so Iose a bit of heat that way even with the fan. a few have suggested using stone around it as well to absorb more heat ..I may try that..thanks for swinging by

@@bearlylivable oh i think the stove would help out Alot! Your channel is darn kewl. Im loving it! Ty 4 sharing

You are correct. I arrange the 2 “ wood disc into a stacked pyramid shape. Burns much hotter/ slower too

Good question..it could be different in each state though

Thank you. I’m going to have to try that. Last night was below zero and I’m sick of waking up every 2 or 3 hours.

I will look that one up for sure..Or just get a small propane heater like the My Heather buddy kind of set up...Appreciate the lead though..

I was wondering about the same thing..I like it nice a simple looking and is why I went with the black trim optoption ..but there is still some brass showing..

I'd rather them ship the rail detached and we could put it on or not. I installed my second stove and for got so the back bent tabs are difficult

@@davidpatrick1813 yeah. was wondering how difficult it is to take those rails off..

cela peut être beaucoup de travail, mais c'est tellement confortable et rend la cabine plus comme une maison pour moi .. merci d'avoir regardé mes vidéos

I may be leaning on doing just that..I need to drop a tank in and connect to a heater..I like being old school as much as anyone, but being warmer at night at my age is starting to sound better and better 🙂

@@bearlylivable i did the wood burner for 10 years, i must say the propane is so much better, i have a propane camp-chef stove too that runs off the same tank, its so nice when i go out for a snowmobile ride or atv ride, just put the thermostat on 60 and go come home and its nice and warm..good luck to you sir.

Whenever I can grab some, its what we do..especially when I slice them into hockey puck sized disc's. They burn from the inside out and release hot slower and hotter

have you tried the echo fan to push around the heat? also if you stack rock or brick around it as well, it will radiate more heat Good luck staying warm..at least in East Texas you know a cold.spell is just that and the days are numbered..you might also want to get yourself a Mr Heater Buddy to take the initial chill off, esp in the am or.when bathing

yup..there are lots of options out there..This one just worked for me and my particular set of circumstances..Thanks for popping by

works just fine for me in well beow zero temps....but we're not all conditioned to cold the same..so it may not be for everyone

Thanks for your thoughts on it