Thanks so Much! I really appreciate it!

Amanda Rae's dad married her mom and her mom's full sister, that's who you're thinking of

This is still a great way to mark the chapters of this interview. 👍

Remenber to leave room for the holy spirit

I worked with a woman who was hemorrhaging which got worse with time. She only consulted her male spiritual guide. She nearly died. All of us at work insisted that she go to the doctor, then eventually to the ER. Her spiritual guide insisted that she not go. We were appalled. She did go to the ER. She was hospitalized.

Yup I’m ex boyfriend did exactly that. I have brain damage from not have oxygen for 4 minutes. He did call for help. I technically died for 4 minutes.

She left him.

My ex put me in a headlock once. It took me 2 years after that to leave. It was the scariest moment of my life

Yes, there is almost an 83% chance. If you're strangled once and you don't leave, you will be killed.

Yup that's why D.A. by strangletation is 6 months to life

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I love how raw Shanell is. Her ability to be so open and honest is inspiring. Escaping Polygamy opened my eyes to the brain washing and control of these groups.

​@@CultstoConsciousnessoh but you give trigger warnings like it means anything

You’re very right I LOVE it so refreshing… I hate that shit personally. Be real. Be honest. Live your truth and be good to others!

weird place to comment this?@@charlestorruella8591

It's disgusting!!!!

I can relate

Its common and its even what people like the Pearls teach that children should do, hug their parents and tell them they love them after their parents beat them for hours

It’s so messed up. They are raised to breed and keep the cycle going. Their daughters will end up just like them and their sons will either become like their father or kicked out to the streets at a young age. And the inbreeding they force upon these people by making them marry close family members is horrid. What a sad life.

It s actually very common in many islamic countries

@@Scrotiemcb00gerballs you mean that religion of peace? Lol

@@cappiece3786 yes, the piss religion 🤣

​@@cappiece3786Exactly

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It could just be a me thing, but I find being called "sassy and rebellious" to be a compliment 😉🤷‍♀️

@@carpenter28085 and as it should. Because it is. Except in a religious/ cult setting. Then you are expected to be subservient and stoically proper. which develops and cranks out boring women who lack spontaneity, creativity and just are not fun. To those types of Institutions sassy and rebellious are not what they're looking for.

'Sassy and rebellious' ? Do you just mean woman, who ARE your equal share their opinions and demonstrate their intelligence?

@@triarb5790 Pretty sure that he's the wrong dude to attack. 🤷‍♂️

I know. When I first came across it a few years ago I was gobsmacked. I know many people are still helping the people without the cameras but it was amazing seeing them get released from that horrible life. The stories didn’t always end up with a perfect happy ending but I’m glad they were able to be saved.

They need help to escape. Especially the girls.

Secrets of polygamy is a new show that’s good as well

I miss it too. I love that Matt from Escapying Polygamy is now on the new show Secrets of Polygamy.

Right!?

I heard this from a poligamy survival sometime, maybe even from this podcast: women are disempowered, but they are valuable for the cult. I wonder how they get rid of all of the men you would need to be out of the picture in order to be able to marry ten women to a single man. Are they all leaving on their own or are some of them kicked out against their will?

@@cassif19 the order allows the unmarried men to stay for volunteer slave labor, as they work to earn a wife... And Justify not paying them or not allowing them to get their own money. I've seen loyal members working until the age of 40 never married, and being told its just not their time yet, and god has a #1 choice she may not yet be of marriage age… practically training men for grooming practices, as it’s not uncommon for a 43 year old man to marry a 14-16 year old girl. Some men eventually learn to outsource a girl from other polygamist groups. The smarter good men leave the order to learn they were brainwashed… 😔

@@Valiant.Unicorn This unfortunately makes perfect sense

​@@cassif19Wonder the same, there must by many "lost boys".

best description of the Kingston Clan ever.

I've heard "bush" but never "wreath". Good description.

​@@bendyrland7213 Where I lived they were called family telephone poles. But we only had cousin marriages happening sometimes so it looks less tangled.

@@andrewinnkeeper1763 *wreath* as in the round evergreen arrangement you hang up around Christmas

@@andrewinnkeeper1763Oh, I thought you misread "wreath" as "wealth" in the original comment. Out of curiosity, would you care to elaborate on why you brought up family wealth in a thread about family trees with so many entwining branches they might as well be a circle, aka wreath? (Not trying to be antagonistic, just interested in your thoughts!)

I heard that when slow dancing, they would put a Bible between the couple and say make room for the Bible

In this case, Mormons have never been considered evangelicals or Protestants by modern theology. have always been a sect founded on totally distorted views of the gospel.

@@Jaspe_C Uh, I never said they were the same thing.

Ive suggested to Amanda (Shanell's cousin) that if they're looking for a silver lining, they might be really useful to medical science, coming from such a small, traceable gene pool.

links to this? there are much less genetically diverse isolated cultures than Utah on this planet...

​@@OntarioBearHunterI could believe this just because of their record keeping. A lot of isolated communities don't have that

Also the Amish, for pretty much the same reason as polygamists.

⁠@@HitomiKitageThe Amish Is Actually The Culture She was Brought Up In, if you go watch Escaping Polygamy And, If you do your own research, The Order - Does Come From The Amish Background, Once you go checking the facts on your history, look at their clothing, that alone tells you it’s part of the same religious cult!

I think I'd be curious to look at a personal progress book at this point. And a young women's lesson book. I've been ex-LDS for about 30 years. I recently took to the Internet to see if anyone else remembered the chewing gum lesson. You probably know what I'm talking about. I found something with Elizabeth Smart talking about it and then adamant claims, from the LDS side of things, that such a lesson never existed. That really bothered me! I was taught that lesson a number of times in different forms- chewed gum, plucked flower, brownie with a bite taken. I thought- I need to get ahold of an old lesson book or progress book so nobody can gaslight me. It was just a passing thought, and luckily, since then, I've noticed ex-mormons refer to that lesson in passing here and there. So at least I know I'm not the only one who remembers. Still, I've seen LDS people go into denial on a lot of issues. It would be nice to have some evidence. And just to remind myself of things I've forgotten so I can say to myself- yes, you are right, what you experienced was crazy.

Watch “The Godmakers“ 1 & 2

All religions are cults

@@kirsten1339 I was born in the 90s and also heard the chewed gum, plucked flower, in addition to "licked cupcake" and "lollipop that fell in the dirt" and the more obscure "you have 2 keys to a treasure chest and if you don't protect your key because you gave it away to so many boys, then you can never open the 'real treasure' with your husband later, even if he saved his key for you; you've thrown away the treasure altogether". Also remember reading... "What do kisses mean when handed out like pretzels and robbed of sacredness?” (The Teachings of Spencer W. Kimball, 281). and reading a general authority talking about kissing a spouse for the first time over the altar. Have seen other former Mormons describing lessons including 'icing licked off of a cake', 'peanut butter licked off of a sandwich', 'a board with multiple nails hammered in and leaving it full of holes'... Lovely lessons for the abuse survivor to have to hear, in particular -- and I've met a disturbing number of women who confessed they were abused as girls by their own fathers in this religion. The modus operandi of the LDS church is gaslighting...Because the truth of the religion and their history would make any reasonable person turn away with disgust. They have to lie to maintain membership, and for PR. As per Gordon Hinckley, "I don't know that we teach that; I don't know that we emphasise it" etc... Such dishonesty. It's definitely valuable to look at the older manuals. I remember seeing a pamphlet (For the Strength of Youth, probably?) from an earlier generation talking about how women shouldn't go out with their hair in curlers, and how they should wear tasteful makeup, but not too much, or something. (Just looked it up, '1965 For the Strength of Youth', a site called scribd has a pdf of it.) Also, if you search "Exploring “For the Strength of Youth” from 1990-2022" there's someone who compared the different pamphlets during that time, just found their page by that title. People who remain in the LDS church have a powerful mental block preventing them from facing the issues with the religion; it's too frightening to have the belief system that most of them were born into thrown into question. 'Ignorance is bliss' for some people.

I agree!

It's a very serious problem for many people, being a very small proportion of people

Yeah! He even told me it was my fault. That he was treating me that way because of me. Finally, when he'd tell me it was my fault or because of me I started responding, "Yeah. Cause I haven't left you yet." Knowing damn well, he was not going to change for me.

Yeah, according to them I was the abusive one, and so was my sister.

💴! Same as Scientology. These extreme cult’s pay off law enforcement agencies & politicians. It’s sad, sick, & beyond immoral.

This!!!!

it's probably due in some part to the sheer number of people who left the UK (or were kicked out) because of their religious beliefs...and left unchecked it sprouted all kinds of nasty abusive cults

Agreed. 👍

Land of the free 💀

Freedom is a scary thing , deal with it.

@@adamguy33 no offense, but these cults being allowed to restrict education and physical autonomy and theologically imprison people seems like the _opposite_ of freedom lol

Gotta love someone with a strong enough constitution to be able to say wait a minute I'm not that girl 😊

I loved that show. But it got reallllllly complicated on a legal level, and there are rumors that production was pushing their own ideas. And that was BEFORE Utah legalized polygamy. I'd love to see it come back, maybe with a Civil Rights Lawyer on the team.

Yeah, I've watched it multiple times over the years because it was so compelling, but idk about the production thing mentioned.

I spotted Val in the episode when they were packing up their Mom, and Daniel showed up.

The Kingstons!

Secrets of polygamy is a new show, mainly focused on the order. There is some flds stuff as well.

Thank you!

@@Shanzy745 There are a lot of us out here pulling for you, and everyone else trapped in an abusive scenario. How are things working down there since decriminalization? Is CPS being more active?

You said it better than I could. I second this.

@@Exiled.New.Yorker If they are, I can't tell. But for protection of the children, CPS would keep the cases private.

It's a cult thing

I have a couple empty bedrooms I'd be glad to help someone now my daughter's have moved out.

Stephen Hassan, he created the BITE model, said something similar. He was in the moonies, completely brainwashed, then he was in a major car crash and was being cared for by his sister who wasn't in the cult. Even just those few days away from the cult helped push him out but then his dad actually got him to deprogrammers, watching him say so calmly I threatened to kill my father because I was told the deprogrammers were evil. He's spent the last few decades helping people get out of cults

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Valiant unicorn!!!!! ❤❤❤

He deserves a butt kicking still!❤😂

Her eyes are so incredible, mesmerizing

Honestly your comment sounds like a pretty good lie ..you were supposed to ended that relationship a very very long time ago ..please make no excuses

I understand. Sending support your way

I totally understand. 😢

​@@robertdivany1627you are not living her life. People who make comments like yours don't realise the whys or why nots in others lives

I love it! I’ll ask her

Thank you!

This was all her dad's fault trying to hire cheap and under the table labor and nobody talks about that enough.

It wasn't her father's fault, he could not have known he had let a monster into their lives. He will probably blame himself for the rest of his life. Put the blame on the perpetrator.

Thank you!

I agree. Lovely, insightful young woman. I would be proud to have her as my daughter.

Yesss lol

Thank you!

In the US most the Red States (Republicans) are openly run by religious extremists that block laws raising ages of consent and marriage because these cults are their base. But don’t think these cults are the majority in those areas. Open gerrymandering and voter suppression just makes it look that way.

Just get out, save yourself.

Yeah, your colleague is immature. And your boss seems kind of brave. It's shallow to judge someone by their religion alone, even if it's a cult. If you've never been a part of the religion and it just sounds illogical and crazy, then you especially can't judge because you don't really understand. And putting yourself above it all isn't going to increase your understanding. It's arrogant. We're all arrogant sometimes but it's not the best trait. I don't mean you- I mean, "you"- well, your colleague.