Why “The Order” INCEST Polygamy Cult Sees Women as Possessions ft.
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Күн бұрын"The Order" or the "Kingston Clan" is known for their incestuous practices of polygamy in an effort to keep their "bloodline pure". They are a fundamentalist branch of Mormonism in Salt Lake City where marrying 1st cousins and even half siblings is seen as perfectly fine. @TheAmandaRaeGrant who was raised in this group, escaped at 17 and was seen on the TV show "Escaping Polygamy" helping others to do the same. Learn the ins and outs of this cult and why she so badly wanted out.
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Chapter Markers:
00:00:00 Intro
00:02:07 Her incestuous family bush
00:03:43 The leader, Paul, has 27 wives
00:04:09 The deformities with inbreeding
00:05:02 Men are becoming infertile...Secret IVF
00:07:16 Pregnant women dying for lack of medical care
00:09:12 Why they believe they need to have so many children
00:10:30 Why are they so desperate to practice polygamy?
00:13:23 How they viewed early prophets and current prophets (including their own)
00:16:32 Why do they insist on "keeping bloodlines pure"?
00:19:02 The INSANE expectations of these women/mothers
00:20:27 C2C Exclusive! Story from Amanda's childhood
00:21:14 How you are your father's property until he gives you to your husband
00:23:44 All the ways women are controlled
00:26:40 Why polygamy in her group was coerced and non-consensual
00:32:59 Has anybody deconstructed Mormonism as a whole in The Order?
00:39:29 How can someone be ok with marrying their half sibling?
00:42:04 Let's talk age gaps
00:44:48 Why the LDS church calls their gathering of women the "relief society"
00:46:08 Blood atonement enacted by extreme LDS fundamentalists
00:50:43 Confessions and tattletales
00:58:32 Their perspective on miscarriage & their "duty" to conceive
01:00:31 A throwback, cringy LDS movie
01:04:22 The women don't realize they hold all the power
01:07:25 Us apostates are lost causes as far as the afterlife is concerned
01:10:29 HOW TO REMOVE YOUR RECORDS from the LDS church
01:14:47 COMMENTER Q: Describe the banking in The Order
01:17:45 COMMENTER Q: Updates on the girls from Escaping Polygamy
01:19:56 Discovering our sense of "Self"
01:22:57 How is Amanda now? Self reflections
01:28:46 COMMENTER Q: Resources for people trying to escape polygamy
01:30:50 Linda, Listen
Theme Song Produced and Composed by Christian Guevara
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@TheAmandaRaeGrant Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for listening and sharing ❤ so happy I got to meet you and so excited to hopefully meet in person and hear more about your story as well 💜💜💜
@CultstoConsciousness Жыл бұрын
Of course! It was awesome getting to learn more about your brand of Mormonism. Apostates Unite! Can’t wait to do it again and yes, meet in person ❤
@littlewingmyoho Жыл бұрын
Read Cult insanity for the La Barron family info The sound of gravel The favorite wife to get a three way look at that family
@jojowynne233 Жыл бұрын
Amanda and Shelise, you two were absolutely wonderful together. I can see you two becoming very good friends. ❤
@emmawood1232 Жыл бұрын
Not all heroes wear capes. Instead of keeping quiet, you both choose to scream it from the roof tops 👏👏👏
@m.h.5161 Жыл бұрын
This was amazing! I loved listening to you two ❤
@charlie2.048 Жыл бұрын
"He was holding the baby and he knew he would be marrying her one day." The weird shit in Twilight makes a LOT more sense when you know that Stephenie Meyer is Mormon.
@Cnichal Жыл бұрын
💀
@luwildy Жыл бұрын
So true omg
@tbella5186 Жыл бұрын
I did not know that! 💯 makes sense now
@melissam.pledger6467 Жыл бұрын
No mainstream Mormon is polygamous.
@Cnichal Жыл бұрын
@@melissam.pledger6467 But she fantasizes about it apparently 😂
@UlexiteTVStoneLexite Жыл бұрын
I don't understand how these men don't get thrown into jail for actually neglecting these women. If a woman dies because you refuse to take her to the hospital that is your fault
@ST-yc7uj Жыл бұрын
inbreeding and slavery are an american legacy
@f.miller9522 Жыл бұрын
It's because women are raised to be quiet. I also think the law in Utah and other states where there's a heavy influx of mormons, plus the powers that be because they're voted in and they in turn hire the police who would be the first to be a part of the complaints and turn their heads. Only way to deal at this point is to get out.
@rachelh9150 Жыл бұрын
@ST-yc7uj you are not wrong
@jenj1221 Жыл бұрын
@@ST-yc7ujlol it’s most of the worlds history. I’m actually curious to know which country has been perfect?
@ST-yc7uj Жыл бұрын
@@jenj1221 lets not stray from the topic. American cults, american history.
@atherisGAY Жыл бұрын
Oh she's so tough! 🔥 She was talking back to her cult, to her father and her cousins. So courageous and smart. Good for her!!!
@actingqween Жыл бұрын
I was in an abusive relationship when I was young, and it took about a month from when I broke up with my abuser for me to have the lightbulb click on in my brain, where I told a good friend, who was awesomely supportive and helpful through that process, "Wait, was this abuse?" That friend, who had volunteered at a domestic violence shelter in the past said, "I wanted you to get their on your own, because I didn't think that you were ready for someone to tell you that yet." I am actually grateful that he let me get there on my own, because, if he had told me, I would have defended my abuser, and I might have gone back. After that moment, I did all of the research, and was checking off almost everything on the "Am I in an abusive relationship?" checklists. Now, I am in a much healthier space.
@CultstoConsciousness Жыл бұрын
Hi! Thank you for sharing that. I’m so happy you are doing better now ❤️
@actingqween Жыл бұрын
@@CultstoConsciousness It was a long road, but I had a lot of support from the people I am close to. Now I work in residential treatment for teens and young adults.
@zxy78267 11 ай бұрын
@@actingqweenI was in an abusive marriage as well. His abusive behavior was so gradual in the way it developed that I didn't even realize it was abusive until it got really bad. I was so happy with my first child that my focus was on that. There were definitely things that I didn't like, but I would just defer to him because he was a little older, had more life experience, etc. And he did teach me a lot of good things about budgeting, etc. But then it became just so much worse. He wanted total control of my life. About two months before my due date, he punched me in the chest as hard as he could. I'd just fallen asleep facing him. When I caught my breath, I asked him why he would do that. He said he had fallen asleep, and was dreaming he was fighting someone. I was just thinking, "What!?" After a couple of minutes, I realized that the same episode of "Seinfeld" was on that we'd been watching when I fell asleep. There's no way he would have fallen asleep and been dreaming in a few minutes.I should have run away right then. I'm not sure why I didn't. Anyway, it was a week or so after when I remembered that two of our coworkers were talking about how you could kill someone if you hit them in the chest really hard. They were arguing about it. One didn't believe it was possible, but the other said he'd seen some case about it or something. I was only half listening at the time, and that's why it didn't ring a bell immediately after my ex hit me. Anyway, long story, sorry. I eventually got away, but it took years, and I still have scars. But I did get a happy ending.
@Annie_Annie__ 10 ай бұрын
It was similar for me. My mother was incredibly abusive and neglectful when I was a kid, but because it wasn’t severe physical abuse I didn’t realize it counted as abuse at all until I was about 20. And my first serious relationship was a very abusive one, but I didn’t realize that was abuse either. I knew it made me feel awful about myself and that he hurt me, but it wasn’t until I’d been broken up with him for a year that I realized it was abuse. So friends and I were all talking about shitty exes and my friend said something about her “abusive ex husband”, but the things he did to her were the same things my ex had done to me. I pulled her aside later and asked her about it and said “that’s abuse? I thought it was just normal crappy ex-boyfriend shit.” She gave me a hug and said “yeah, that’s abuse. I’m sorry you’re in this club too.” This was less than a year after I came to terms with the fact that my mother was abusive, so it felt like a lot. I managed to get some help and I did a lot of reading on narcissistic parents and how children of narcissistic parents often find themselves in abusive relationships. After that I found my now-husband who is amazing and we’ve been together almost 20 years (I’m old, lol).
@actingqween 10 ай бұрын
@@Annie_Annie__ It's so hard to see "invisible" abuse. Also, it's hard because it's so unknown. People think that it's not so bad, but I remember when I had to think back to before it started and ask myself who I really was. I can't imagine what it must be like to experience it from the start, and not have a "prior self" to relate to. I'm glad that you're doing well!!
@fabigrossi2976 Жыл бұрын
How can I say this politely... having unlimited power over as many women as you want, sl33ping with as many women and even children as you want and not having to deal with this exhausting daily stuff like their bills, their children, their jelousy, their complaints, their demands, because you taught them to be quiet and "sweet", because this God you made up allegedly sees these women's rightfull demands as sins - that's many weak men's and many pedophiles' w3t dream come true.
@amberinthemist7912 Жыл бұрын
Yes truly a cult started by a sexual predator for the benefit of sexual predators.
@codirennke1109 Жыл бұрын
Such lazy lions. Hearing about these systems always makes me think of lions. The lionesses take care of the cubs and hunts and does everything. All the lions do is hump, sleep, and fight other males. It really is crazy how men have ever been able to convince women that we are the inferior. We are literally the gateway into this world through our bodies, we "mature" quicker.... aka smarter lol. We are able to keep 1000 balls in the air while the man focuses on one thing at a time. I don't mean to bash men because there are some wonderful men out there. I just mean historically and I guess religiously, it's mind blowing how things have gone. We make a house a home. We make the heart warm. We keep the belly full. We bring the babies into the world. We go out there and work too. We bring home the bacon, cook it, clean up afterwards, "clean out the pipe" for our men. We are amazing creatures.
@CultstoConsciousness Жыл бұрын
You know….you’re not wrong **sigh**
@bebeenderson7863 Жыл бұрын
@@codirennke1109 I’ve always felt this way.. I don’t believe in a “god” it if I did it seems really obvious to me that if a god had a gender, it would be female.
@anthonywesley5306 Жыл бұрын
@@codirennke1109 the lion thing is… innacurate but that’s not what bothers me. Men should not have dominion over women or other men for that matter. While saying you don’t mean to bash men, that’s what you do. A lot of men literally work themselves to death, especially blue collar, working class men. A lot of us have broken bodies from laboring to provide a decent life for our families. This topic is about a demographic and an oppressive religious culture and I include traditional Christian community. There are a lot of men with these depraved values and a lot of women who are complicit in perpetuating an amoral society. All these people need to be freed from these horrible beliefs; these women need to be supported and to know there is a better way.
@reu2002 Жыл бұрын
The infertility is definitely mother natures way of saying, absolutely not! That’s enough of that! 🥴
@Sunshineattacks3 Жыл бұрын
That’s what I’m saying, even in their own beliefs, that would be God saying no!
@aequoria2949 Жыл бұрын
The Habsburg royal family in Spain literally inbred themselves out of existence. The last Habsburg king was the result of three generations of uncle-niece marriages. He was so deformed and sick he couldn’t father children. His sister, (also married her uncle), her child and grandchild all died young. Mother Nature takes care of inbreeding sooner or later.
@jerrymurphy9984 Жыл бұрын
What religion, if any are you each participating in now?
@lilafeldman8630 Жыл бұрын
Yes, totally.
@NicolletteR Жыл бұрын
This is so insensitive to women who struggle with that.
@sandybowers5085 Жыл бұрын
I have so much respect for both of you sharing your stories. I was in a narcissistic marriage for 18 years and my ex brought me into a church that was very cult like. Letting God decide the size of your family, submit to your husband no matter what…so much more. I’ve been out for 18 years now and still struggle with PTSD. My ex attacked me when I left. I’m one of the lucky ones. I survived and was able to get my six children away from him‼️ We are all doing well but carry many scars. Y’all make me feel like I’m not alone ❤
@ginabina8944 Жыл бұрын
You should be proud of yourself. ❤ What you went through is not easy and you were strong to get yourself and the children out. Way to be, mama! ❤
@CultstoConsciousness Жыл бұрын
I’m so sorry you went through that. You are definitely not alone! Tomorrow we are releasing a video that is the reverse of this. She was raised in the IBLP cult and ended up in an abusive marriage because of it. But she’s thriving now! Hope you are too ❤️
@sandybowers5085 Жыл бұрын
@@CultstoConsciousness I will definitely be watching that Shalise❣️Thanks so much for your empathy and compassion❤️I know you are helping me and others to heal!!!
@sandybowers5085 Жыл бұрын
@@ginabina8944 thanks so much Gina! That means the world to me 🥰❤️👍🏼
@thandikente7646 Жыл бұрын
Is the community not having half the society disabled… such close incest, it’s a lot
@crystalchristensen7972 Жыл бұрын
Raised mainstream Mormon, got soft shamed/guilted by my ex mother in law for holding off having kids after only having been married for a year. Ended up being able to wait 6yrs before getting pregnant. Had 6 pregnancies and 5 kids in 10yrs... My 5th and last baby, I was 14wks pregnant when I left my narcissistic, neglectful, self-righteous, passive aggressive, codependent, ehebophilic, sadistic ex ...that was 2020. I'm still waiting for my divorce to get finalized through either a settlement conference or trial
@shelleywilliams8201 10 ай бұрын
Congratulations on leaving that terrible marriage. I've been there. It's not easy to leave. I promise things get a lot better. Stay strong!!!
@jeannerountree952 10 ай бұрын
I wish you the best
@jeannerountree952 10 ай бұрын
I left my terrible marriage a year ago after 33 years of marriage and getting my own money through Social Security disability I left. I always said once I get my own money I’m leaving and I’m very proud that I did that.
@timfool 10 ай бұрын
@@jeannerountree952You were married for 33 years in a terrible marriage? I can't believe that
@AamuAurora 10 ай бұрын
@@timfoolI'm a young person with no crazy experiences but it took me 5 second to think of few possible reasons: financial violence, insecurity, lack of education, children/pregnancy/desire to preserve a family unit, financial violence, loneliness/isolation/lack of family members to help during separation, psychological violence, fear of being murdered/fear of bitter spouse killing or hurting other family members in retaliation/upbringing. Some victims continuously suffer because they don't know any different. Can you blame them for not leaving if they didn't even know this was an option or didn't want to risk the safety of their family? At least we know you were raised with minimum autonomy if you can't even imagine such circumstances, but you're lacking compassion/imagination.
@Aashka_The_Mystic Жыл бұрын
Men claiming babies or children is just their way to insure that other men don't claim them when they get older. It could also be related to pedophilia also.
@dianabulaga5599 Жыл бұрын
How is our government not doing anything about this? This is criminal. I seriously don't understand. My heart goes out to every woman who is being treated like cattle. This is not freedom.
@edwardkuenzi5751 Жыл бұрын
They cannot do anything without cooperating witnesses with first hand knowledge of crimes. People like Amanda are technically just not firsthand witnesses.
@pixiecakes1765 Жыл бұрын
Because there could be some members of the government involved, or getting paid off. That is my speculation.
@letsdothis9063 11 ай бұрын
I've wondered the same thing. Lots of laws broken here. "Religious Freedom" doesn't extend to the harm of others.
@orman2222 10 ай бұрын
Because it's America. We are free to preach and live our lives in accordance to our religion - good or bad.
@CoCo-yv3hl 10 ай бұрын
Because a lot of these women are willing participants…. She said her mom didn’t like it she didn’t say she couldn’t leave
@mylastduchess9998 Жыл бұрын
The pain and suffering of these poor women has to be adding to their unwillingness to leave. Imagine suffering terribly because you believe it's the right thing to do for you and your kids and that there will be a great reward only to be confronted with finding out you were lied to. My heart breaks for them. 💔
@graedot 6 ай бұрын
I find it interesting that the women have to suffer to get into the kingdom but the men don't. AM I correct in saying that??
@justineharper3346 Жыл бұрын
I can’t be the only one who thought of Twilight when she was talking about the man claiming the baby was meant for him at birth. Lol. That’s exactly what Jacob did to Bella’s baby. It always creeped me out
@sarahbrivio4159 Жыл бұрын
Well I'm pretty sure Stephanie Mayer was raised Mormon so you're not too far off
@abigaillane8329 Жыл бұрын
@@sarahbrivio4159 I didn’t know this and now I am even more disturbed than before!!
@justineharper3346 Жыл бұрын
@@sarahbrivio4159 she was. I only remember because I have a Mormon friend who told me Edward was a Mormon girl’s wet dream when we were in high school lol
@sarahbrivio4159 Жыл бұрын
@@justineharper3346 oh my ahahaha
@slconley Жыл бұрын
That part of the book was so cringy to me too.
@cuppycakesrawrable Жыл бұрын
43:40 immediately remembering Jacob Black in Twilight imprinting on a baby. Also remembering the author of Twilight is Mormon.
@jo-jo8845 Жыл бұрын
That was my initial thoughts too
@CultstoConsciousness Жыл бұрын
Eeeek! I didn’t know that
@flintfoster8010 Жыл бұрын
💀💀
@wingedyera Жыл бұрын
I was looking for this comment
@ah5721 Жыл бұрын
Stephanie Myer was mainstream though 😮💨 not The Order " still creepy as hell though
@devadii24 Жыл бұрын
I am glad that she is speaking out on this so that viewers can see how dangerous these groups are 😢 These are not just conservative churches that dress modestly, children are being abused and incest is rampant
@Aelffwynn Жыл бұрын
Yes!! I never know what to say to people who shrug and go, "idk, they're weird, but they seem happy and healthy." Like, "Oh okay. Well, as long as they *seem* fine."
@devadii24 Жыл бұрын
I guess if nobody ever comes forward and speaks out, we all just assume all is well…
@Love_cats584 Жыл бұрын
Not all are like this.
@DalTronPrinting Жыл бұрын
My mom worked in a Kingston daycare and she watched a lot of this from the side lines. She told me all she wanted to do was to have kids, but she made sure to limit herself to one kid every 2-3 years because she watched Kingston wives go crazy from having a child every year.
@nerysghemor5781 Жыл бұрын
Does Utah have an obligation to report abuse/incest for people working in a position like a day care?
@ScottJB Жыл бұрын
@@nerysghemor5781 The Utah government turns the other way with the polygamist cults for some reason. You'd think they (being influenced by LDS Inc.) would bring down the hammer but they don't.
@nerysghemor5781 Жыл бұрын
Would that be because attention on the other cults risks attention on why all of Mormonism is a cult and the fact that they own the state?
@phenomenalwoman6111 Жыл бұрын
@@nerysghemor5781right
@DalTronPrinting Жыл бұрын
@@nerysghemor5781 I'm not sure, but my mom hasn't worked in daycare for a very long time and back then it was probably under the table anyway.
@kristyndecker4901 Жыл бұрын
I am just blown away by how accurate and amazing Amanda is with explaining all of this cult mentality. Most of this doctrine and crazy chaotic thinking is in all of the polygamist cults and families. I’m Extremely grateful that so many young people are leaving and speaking out about the horrors of polygamy. Love you Amanda! Absolutely amazing interview!
@north40lady98 Жыл бұрын
Add Scientology to that as well, totally brainwashed. There is starting to become a large ex Scientology you Tube group, makes your head spin.
@alison155 Жыл бұрын
❤
@dezraboudreau1871 Жыл бұрын
I'm hoping for one with her brother Eskel. He went from The Order to LDS and no longer affiliated with it. Heck of a spiritual journey.
@pyenygren2299 Жыл бұрын
Yes! That would be great to have Eskel and Amanda.
@Clickerchick Жыл бұрын
@Dezra if that’s your real name, awesome! Me too!
@dezraboudreau1871 Жыл бұрын
@@Clickerchick it certainly is!
@cassidynichols-dahill1066 Жыл бұрын
The last time I checked in on him he did a video with Amanda and he was defending the LDS church from being a cult. I’m glad he is no longer affiliated with the church. I know a lot of ex FLDS and ex order members join the LDS Church because the core beliefs are the same. It gives them some sense of familiarity.
@sheilacamp Жыл бұрын
As usual, men making their own rules. I am 65 & have come to the conclusion that the majority of men are narcissists, don’t have a woman’s best interest in mind & simple minded. Using God’s word to manipulate is the worst. My husband committed suicide when I was 29, leaving me with 2 small sons. I know it sounds harsh, but it was a blessing. I have dated 3 men & decided that I am so much happier by myself. I don’t want/need another man child to be a slave to or contend with. Thank you for bringing this awareness to women.
@CultstoConsciousness Жыл бұрын
Hi Sheila! Thank you for sharing that. I’m happy you have found the path that is best for you. Even though society would say it’s unconventional. ❤️
@carolbaker2773 Жыл бұрын
I’m so sorry that you went through all that. I can say there are good men out there. My husband is my partner, not my umbrella! I have a DVM and PhD and I am the bread winner technically while he quite his job and fosters medical challenge children. We are both super happy and fulfilled and never once have I felt taken advantage of.
@letsdothis9063 11 ай бұрын
Not all men are like that. I'm a man, and my ex was a narcissist. This is kind of funny. I have been helping out with my grandmother a lot, now that she is getting older. Now that I'm spending more time with her alone, I can't believe how big of a narcissist she is. Lol I never realized it growing up, but she has a very high opinion of herself. She thinks that she can manipulate everyone, and she is always right!. My grandfather has been dead for about 20 yrs, but I can't help but feel sorry for him, when he was alive. But yeah. Narcissism has no gender.
@sidstovell2177 9 ай бұрын
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@tinamenon1593 Ай бұрын
The problem with human beings is that they adapt and take advantage of systems which can boost their status or other power for their own advantage. Neurobiologically men on average statistically have systems which reward them more highly for aggression (whether coercive, manipulation, threatening or pure physical violence) giving you a "high" & fewer systems to introduce down regulation by introducing other neurotransmitters which make you feel "low" (eg anxiety, shame, basically called neuroticism). Add together a society since men decided war was a good way of hoarding resources of social conditioning geared towards controlling & using women for their needs (just try and think of an ancient text which isn't centred around war!) and you have women weaponised by their own biology and utterly unaware of it. Men know on average on mass how to weponize women's Neurobiologically even if its a higher awareness of threatening behaviour, to coerce when they can't be bothered to beat into submission. Narcissism is "reported" as being a tiny proportion of the population (between 3 - 5%) and higher statistically male, of that tiny percentage. These are old studies which are mainly done on prison populations to achieve diagnosis rates as no narcissist actually goes to a diagnostically capable professional (eg psychiatrist) (& tells the truth!) Knowing that doing so might result in a diagnosis! Its a rigged system which actually allows a huge majority of men to behave narcissistically and further, psycopathically and sociopathically, without the predator ever being labelled. That doesn't mean that women can't be narcissistic, ( I have encountered a few personally as they use systems again to elevate power and control and get sadistic pleasure from usurping other women). However, the undeniable rates of DV, SA, Coercion by men against women across every world population, since statistica began to be recorded over the mass of 7 by humans on the planet, is clear correlation to narcissism as an adaption which an overwhelming majority of men take advantage of. Women and men who try to argue that narcissism exists v rarely are being gaslit by old statistics and live in a bubble where they personally haven't been victimised by one (or flying monkeys for one)
@jaderose7917 Жыл бұрын
As a woman who’s had 4 consecutive unexplained miscarriages my heart goes out to those in the community who can’t have children. I’ve had every investigation possible and I’ve still been told there’s no reason why I lost all my babies. There’s nothing I could’ve done differently nor anything I could’ve done to change the outcome and to know there will be women in this community who are demonised for not being able to have babies is absolutely heart breaking.
@CultstoConsciousness Жыл бұрын
Hi Jade, thank you for sharing that. I’m so sorry about your experience. I agree, the pain would amplified in a group like this where your entire worth is based on having kids.
@f.miller9522 Жыл бұрын
I'm so sorry that you went through that. You can rest in the knowledge that you are loved by God, he cares for you. Not having children when you want them is hard. But the treatment you've received isn't from God but men. Stand up, wipe your tears and help others that are going through the same thing. Read the Bible together and learn how "God" feels about you, not men. God bless.
@jaderose7917 Жыл бұрын
@@CultstoConsciousness thank you so much for replying and thank you for your kindness🖤 I’m glad you’re now in a situation where you’re valued for who you are as a person, for your soul and your light. I wish you all the happiness in the world 🖤
@jaderose7917 Жыл бұрын
@@f.miller9522 Thank you for your response and kind words, I really appreciate it 🖤
@DarkOxygen77 Жыл бұрын
I got strange attitudes from family after my miscarriage. Like they didn’t even want to hug me. I hope you’re doing ok too
@hoearab3106 Жыл бұрын
I didn’t realize Twilights weird “jacob imprinting on bella’s new born daughter” plot point is rooted in stephanie meyer’s mormon beliefs!
@trishonna1 10 ай бұрын
The reality is that much of the beliefs and practices in the Mormon church actually come from Luciferian-Satanic occultism
@alisavandyk9806 3 ай бұрын
I had this same thought and it blew my mind!
@belfrybb Жыл бұрын
The thing that makes having children with close relatives dangerous is that if you have similar genetics, you’re more likely to be carrying the same mutations of genes. For example, you could carry a gene for a blood disorder, but if you marry someone unrelated who doesn’t have the gene, your child won’t actually get the disorder. They might still be a carrier, but they won’t be sick. However if you have a child with a relative who is more likely to be carrying the same mutated gene, you are way more likely to have a child who has the disorder. So my guess about the “blood tests” she’s referencing is that they were testing to see if they were carriers of certain genes.
@kerlivs.makeup2503 Жыл бұрын
we all know what happened to the harbsburgs when they tried to keep the bloodline clean... they made a family wheel instead of a tree.
@inkenhafner7187 Жыл бұрын
But before that comes the imbalance of powers when you marry not only a much older person with way more priviledges than you but is also closely related to you.
@kerlivs.makeup2503 Жыл бұрын
@@inkenhafner7187 there's so much power imbalance... even if the woman close to the age of the husband, he will always be the one in power ,but of course a way younger woman is more impressionable and naive. it's disgusting and that something like this is even remotely legal and practiced in this day and age, is insane.
@fifimsp Жыл бұрын
@@kerlivs.makeup2503 One day my sister texted me and said, "a guy came into my work that looked like Charles the II." I said, "of England or of Spain." She says, "of Spain!" I replied, "YIKES!" LOL
@kerlivs.makeup2503 Жыл бұрын
@@fifimsp yikes 😅 poor guy...
@schiffelers3944 Жыл бұрын
There is this case of a sperm donor who already fathered 500 kids, and is ordered to no longer donate his sperm. There are plenty of other stories of IVF babies, that have a father that fathered over 100's of kids. These testing's on relationship and chances on birth defects will only increase.
@letsdothis9063 11 ай бұрын
That reminds me of the doctor that was using his own sperm to inseminate the patients. He was the "father" to over a hundred kids. Two of the children dated for a while several years before the truth came out.
@timothydunn438 Жыл бұрын
I miss seeing Amanda and the other very strong women on the "Escaping Polygamy" series. I wish the series would have lasted longer. I'd love to see an update on these ladies and their further accomplishments.
@leamacleod5903 Жыл бұрын
Yes bring it back!!
@Janarae18 Жыл бұрын
Wow, I didn’t know there was a KZfaq channel. I really loved that show
@denonamp 10 ай бұрын
Yeah what happened to that . They seemed to be on the cusp of exposing but the lady being undercover I think went back
@kaitlinpilivi285 11 ай бұрын
Recurrent miscarriages are ultimately why my husband and i left the mainstream mormon church... I've had 8 losses. Although it's not spoken, it's very much a "shamefull" thing in the church. I even found an article on the church website called "how to talk to childless couples", that was the end for me. My mental health has improved so much since realizing I have worth other than my child rearing abilities.
@codirennke1109 Жыл бұрын
I'm a 33 year old lady for reference so hopefully this doesn't come off as creepy lol. You both are such intelligent, charismatic, dynamic, beautiful women. I love your dynamic together... it feels like joining in and hanging with 2 friends listening to you two talk. I hope you do more things together. And I just wanted to share my admiration for the 2 of you making it out of all the mess and being able to go on and be beacons of light for girls and women going through all kinds of things. Sending love and thanks to you both.
@CultstoConsciousness Жыл бұрын
Aww thanks so much, Codi! Im 33 in August so we could totally be friends hanging out lol😁❤️
@BMM3 Жыл бұрын
Women getting pregnant every year do have bad health (poor nutrition, terribly fatigued, anemic) And their uterus "wears out" and doesn't work efficiently. That causes hemorrhage because the uterine muscle can't "clamp down" after birth any more. BTW, Michelle Duggar in cult, iblp, (19 kids and counting) had 20 children, but 2 pregnancies were twins and one miscarriage. That is still too many pregnancies for a uterus!!
@LauraLanny Жыл бұрын
My jaw dropped for like 5 minutes when she said someone asked if they could marry their daughter
@CultstoConsciousness Жыл бұрын
Yup. 🤢
@OrthodoxChristianBeliever 9 ай бұрын
the mormon god is really a monster
@OrthodoxChristianBeliever 7 ай бұрын
@@akum270 , yes. There's so much horror in these interviews.
@slconley Жыл бұрын
I love that Amanda speaks out and spills the tea. She lays it out how it is and it’s so important that we bring these things to light.
@anjelikag Жыл бұрын
After this interview I’m rewatching Escaping Polygamy. Amanda said there’s a lot of mainstream Order businesses operating. If we could get a list of those mainstream business that are ran by the Order, I think it’d do them “wonders” to have it published.😎🤩
@Terahnee Жыл бұрын
I should add that I DO NOT recommend reading the rest of the court document unless you are in a stable place emotionally.
@crystalwalline6670 Жыл бұрын
Amanda is amazing all around. Her confidence, intelligence, and honesty are remarkable traits and I'm so impressed by her strength!
@pinkyflee6382 9 ай бұрын
I wasn't raised in a "cult", never joined one - But listening to ex-cultists is like finally having someone understand my father & my ex-husband. It's amazing how these forms of thinking can manifest in many situations in this world.
@abigaillane8329 Жыл бұрын
I love Fundie Fridays- I don’t believe she herself grew up in cult but she knows so much about them! It would be really cool if you two did a collab on a cult- more of an info session than testimony but would be epic! ❤
@CultstoConsciousness Жыл бұрын
Yes! We are trying to get a hold of her! Maybe you could drop her a comment on her page! 😜❤️
@abigaillane8329 Жыл бұрын
Will do!
@Beginnerreadsthebible Жыл бұрын
The Kingston's didn't account for strong, intelligent women. My heart, soul, blessings go out to you Amanda ❤ you are the "David" to their "goliath."
@CultstoConsciousness Жыл бұрын
Couldn’t agree more!!
@nickywal Жыл бұрын
What's kind of funny is they did, Paul's mother put him in the leadership position and basically ran the cult behind the scenes for years. Strong women as long as they toe the line I guess
@nickywal Жыл бұрын
@Goodness-Gaddness Yes its kind of scary how realistic Serena Joy from the handmaid's tale is, so many women who fight for the right to not have rights its bizarre
@sierramay7722 Жыл бұрын
I loved this podcast. I've listened to Amanda Rae for awhile now, and just stumbled upon this gal, but I was raised LDS and yes, all this is so true. When I lost my virginity to my boyfriend I had to meet with the bishop a couple times, and just seeing his eyes widen In disgust when I had to tell him what I did, that made me stop going. Nothing and no one should ever make you feel so guilty that you think you're going the hell, especially for something so biologically natural.
@katythriftyunder35homeowne57 10 ай бұрын
Thanks for giving Amanda a platform to share her story. She is so courageous
@VC_Home4Now Жыл бұрын
This was great. Amanda is super smart and FIERCE 🙂 I pity the stupid Kingston men who tried to control her, not 😂
@CultstoConsciousness Жыл бұрын
Right?!😂
@letsdothis9063 11 ай бұрын
I went to high-school with a mormon. One day, I asked him what was wrong (his desk was right beside mine), because he looked a little down. He said that he was depressed because he is gay, and his parents were picking out a wife for him. I wonder how that works.
@elizabethdavis8594 Жыл бұрын
I was adopted into a Mormon home when I was 13. I didn't learn about polygamy for many years later. Once I get to understand what it was all about I thought it was disgusting and didn't agree with it all.
@halfbloodprincess989 Жыл бұрын
OMG why are polygamists even allowed to adopt? They're probably doing it to bring fresh genes into the bloodline? Don't they have enough children already?
@secretpal6039 Жыл бұрын
Mormons (LDS) are another cult where women are oppressed. I hope you realized and got out. You do know Joseph Smith was a pedophile polygamist, yet Mormons worship him like he’s some kind of prophet. It’s just disgusting.
@blueskyoutside9000 Жыл бұрын
I remember the first thing said to myself when I dropped from a cult was "be patient with yourself because this is going to be a long process". Your authentic self already shines through I have to say though. It's something you probably can't see but you are way ahead of this crazy game in many ways. Keep playing snd having fun like you do in your videos if it doesn't resonate with sone let them drop off and stay firm in just being you as you are. It may be too real for some and they will find what they are looking for elsewhere and you can continue on your mission. The seeds you are planting are many layered. You are brave and original . Being original can be isolating but don't play smaller for anyone . You ladies are each so incredible and an inspiration I am 60 years old and learning, laughing right along with you. Narcissism is def the problem /patriarchy I LOVE how you pointed out how the women have all the power. I cannot believe how many large snd mini cults there are And so many new age ones it's crazy All these "schools" online and books of people "teaching" others about the so called gods and goddesses who got them out if their hell just another cult 💰 💰 💰 Selling training after training, jewelry all pushed by the in or cool club of the group It's just rediculous and I just love this channel Your compassion as well as detail is what keeps me coming back
@butters796 Жыл бұрын
Suddenly the baby imprinting in Twilight makes sense
@tashainjena Жыл бұрын
Yes! Was going to comment that, then the ADHD forgetfulness kicked in...
@NotAnotherKuromi Жыл бұрын
Oh my goodness I didn't make the link but yes!
@bethloguekellerwilliamsrea1529 Жыл бұрын
Lol I just said this to my daughter then I saw your comment 😂
@FlybyStardancer Жыл бұрын
When I heard Amanda mention the guys saying they want to marry the baby, that's exactly what I thought of too. 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
@jozsefizsak Жыл бұрын
I did not imagine I could enjoy a conversation about such dreadful goings on so much but you're both so eloquent and charismatic that the time just flew by. The absurd paradox of inbreeding being seen as ensuring strength in the bloodline was perversely amusing, especially that the belief persisted even while they did blood tests to avoid the worst of the risks!
@letsdothis9063 11 ай бұрын
The irony was not lost on me. How strange. I get "maintaining your blood line", but on one side of the line is good enough. We have known that genetic diversity is the key to strong offspring for a long time. IDK...it's just crazy.
@jozsefizsak 11 ай бұрын
@@letsdothis9063 Yeah, crazy pretty much covers it in the end. We should add despicable as well, just to be safe!
@brookelyndilldine6892 Жыл бұрын
I can’t express how grateful I am for your channel! I grew up LDS and now as an adult …10 years away from the church …I still find myself leaning on the church ideals at certain points in my life. Your channel has allowed me to think through why I do certain things because of all the church programming. It’s amazing to realize that there are out there like me and dealing with the same struggles. Thank you!
@CultstoConsciousness Жыл бұрын
Hi Brookelyn! I love that so much! Thank you for sharing! ❤️ #apostatesunite
@f.miller9522 Жыл бұрын
Read your Bible and you will start to realize how wrong they are and how right he is. Good luck!
@secretpal6039 Жыл бұрын
You do know Joseph Smith was a pedophile, don’t you? He married very young girls. That should be enough right there to make you sever ties with the LDS cult. Do not support that disgusting man by leaning on his made up church ideals. You have to stand up and speak up!
@elizabethheide9705 Жыл бұрын
@@f.miller9522absolutely spot on, ❤
@DukesGrace Жыл бұрын
I wonder if part of the reason they have each wife have a separate house is to keep the half siblings apart so they feel less gross about being expected to marry each other.
@ah5721 Жыл бұрын
It also reduces fighting and the women ganging up against the guy
@marissahenze5589 Жыл бұрын
It’s crazy the her half siblings are closer than half siblings because they’re also her cousins? And that it’s on both “sides” because of her mom’s sister and dad’s sister both marrying her dad. Very glad she did the family bush video!
@letsdothis9063 11 ай бұрын
I worked with a lady that was a little bit "off", to say the least. She lived in a little community, that several people from high-school lived in. I was asking her if she knew a few people. A lot of the people there are related. She volunteered that her husband was her "double blood cousin". I had never heard that term before. The scary part is that they had kids.
@advocacynaccountablity Жыл бұрын
Financial abuse and social control are what these groups sustain with. The control over members financials is *key* to making them stay in The Order. It's the same exact tactic domestic abusers use to control their victims.
@SouthernBelleUSA8 Жыл бұрын
So sad for women who have health & reproductive pain/problems. I had stage 4 endometriosis & had 4 surgeries so that I wouldn’t be incapacitated-I would have suffered so much & died & the men wouldn’t even care. Horrible….
@sidstovell2177 9 ай бұрын
So sorry for what you have suffered.❤
@Momof13grannyto28 Жыл бұрын
Amanda has become n awesome lady trying to make her life be more then what her past is she is stronger then anyone thinks. I love her so much n i pray one day her mom will actually leave the hell she is being put through.
@melissamorton1282 Жыл бұрын
These poor girls and women! This is just so disturbing on so many levels!. Listen to me women and girls, no matter how you were raised, you are worthy of being accepted and loved for yourself.
@nerysghemor5781 Жыл бұрын
Historical note for you: I think in ancient Egypt they did marry siblings. Biology note: There is absolutely a difference in whether or not you grow up with someone or not. When you grow up with someone, there is a phenomenon called the Westermarck Effect that tends to make you feel instinctively that you shouldn't marry that person. In contrast, when you DON'T know the person at all, there can be such a thing as Genetic Sexual Attraction, which is basically where a person is attracted to the similarities in that person (sometimes without knowing the other person is related). For good reason, we have laws and morals forbidding that. (Not an excuse to blame the kids though, since they have no control over their lineage.)
@CultstoConsciousness Жыл бұрын
woah! So interesting! Thank you!
@lizh1988 Жыл бұрын
In Egypt the pharaohs inbred. Akhenaten was so inbred he walked with two canes.
@sidstovell2177 9 ай бұрын
I married in the Anglican church in 1958. We had to sign a legal form stating we were not first cousins. Has to have been a reason for that.
@bonnielucas1941 Жыл бұрын
What a fantastic interview! So real & Amanda is doing so much to help those who want to leave the cult. Thank you, Shelise for your work! 💞
@CultstoConsciousness Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for your support!❤️
@mwest3191 Жыл бұрын
Paying rent to effectively be treated like a brood mare? How is this not some form of sex trafficking? Genuinely asking if anyone’s more familiarized with the law, but this is…so sick. Sorry, I’m just mad. 😅
@codename495 Жыл бұрын
It is sex trafficking, but the women don’t know that they can escape.
@mwest3191 Жыл бұрын
That could be said of any ST victim, though. I would reason that there’s enough evidence of duress to circumvent the requirement for a current complaining victim. (even in Utah, trafficking being a federal issue.) There’s also multiple ex members willing to attest to it. Again, I’m no expert, maybe there have been FBI investigations and they play the religious freedom card, who knows. Didn’t Paul get charged for something?
@tammyparton4403 Жыл бұрын
Ive have been in a toxic marriage for over thirty years now struggling to get out. Your stories have helped me in so many ways to see myself. I now feel I can fully break out and remove myself to live a healthy life without him. Please keep doing and speaking your truth for it is truly helping others. I see fruit from your testimonies. ❤ Love you both, you are true heros in your oun rights.
@lvl76darkelf Жыл бұрын
Omg!! Update??
@siobhanharte5075 Жыл бұрын
Keep listening to content like this that will strengthen you for the task. You must be around my age by now and the rest of our lives is very short and belongs to us and us alone. I’m much happier on my own. Be active in your community and make friends with other strong women who are living for themselves and you won’t be lonely. And do hobbies you enjoy, walk in nature and learn about yourself and the world. Good luck, you deserve some peace now ❤
@zxy78267 11 ай бұрын
Please start formulating a plan to leave, and find some support. Reach out and see if there is a support group, even a Facebook group for people in abusive relationships. I know it sounds weird to look there. I'm hardly on Facebook anymore, but when I was dealing with a loved one with addiction issues, I found a really helpful group of people with the same issue. It was a great place for finding out what resources there were to get help.
@cherylhuot4436 9 ай бұрын
Please get out!!! Don’t wait!! My best friend got out of a violent, emotionally abusive marriage after 46 years. She so regrets not getting out sooner. It’s been two years and with lots of baby steps forward and a few steps back, she’s finding freedom and peace. I’m SO SO proud of her!!
@melissapinol7279 7 ай бұрын
I was in a miserable 10 year relationship with a Fundie Christian who really abused me. I got away with the help of a friend, it's the best thing I ever did. My life has been happy after that. Please, please, keep trying. The best of luck!
@emmawoolley9021 6 ай бұрын
their chemistry is so fantastic i could listen to the two of them talk for hours
@CultstoConsciousness 6 ай бұрын
Aww thanks! We have a whole playlist dedicated to Amanda with all our videos together 😁
@Inspiringami Жыл бұрын
I didn’t grow up in a cult. I am a recovering addict. I have always felt like I’m figuring out who I am and what my values are. Unless we sit down, reflect on what we truly want and what our values are, I don’t think we ever truly know. It’s a process going through so much change. I cannot imagine going through all that you did! ❤my heart goes out to you all. You’re truly strong and courageous women! Thank you for sharing and being brave ❤
@michaelbeebern9984 Жыл бұрын
Amanda has amazing insights into the toxic and evil nature of this group. She should be a social worker or counselor to those leaving these groups. Well done!!
@mdperkins1482 Жыл бұрын
So all this is still happening here in America!!! NO!!!! I am so proud & happy for the young women who find their way out of these situations. It’s not easy & there is always suffering for being separated from friends & loved ones.❤✌️🙏
@raylawler13 Жыл бұрын
My mom's maiden name is LeBaron, and Ervil and Joel LeBaron are my grandpa's second cousins. I was in the mainstream church, but it's fascinating hearing all of the overlap and differences between the different groups.
@mienafriggstad3360 Жыл бұрын
Have you read the Polygamist's daughter by Anna Le Baron? I highly recommend it
@sidstovell2177 9 ай бұрын
I think we have LeBarons in northern Mexico. Think they ran into some trouble with one of the cartels.
@tweetscotchy1093 Жыл бұрын
Amanda Rae is so smart and well-spoken. Her two episodes were my favorite!
@CultstoConsciousness Жыл бұрын
She’s great, right?! We need to have her on more often
@Jay-gs5xg Жыл бұрын
This is one of the most disgusting thing I’ve ever heard. These people that are preying on the women and children need to be locked up forever.
@justin6354 4 ай бұрын
I agree, this pisses me off these men do this to women and I can't say what I would like to to men who do this to women. Makes me really angry.
@nikkistubitsch Жыл бұрын
My question is what do these cults do with special needs children? My daughter is autistic and because some autistic children dont have a visible disability, some people think they just need good discipline. How would the order handle children like this? And what happens if you cannot marry them off?
@maryarney1350 4 ай бұрын
Check out Blanket Training for infants. It's infuriating and abuse without end or repercussions.
@PawsForAndrea Жыл бұрын
Two absolute gems, who are also warriors (advocates in the best way). You’re each great on your own, but it’s also so wonderful when you collaborate, as I knew it would be! 💙
@CultstoConsciousness Жыл бұрын
Aww thank you! We are going live at noon pacific today!
@rhondadearborn3265 Жыл бұрын
I'd love for you guys to cover why this group needs to be taken down by the FBI and IRS - they should not be tax exempt when they violate labor laws and all kind of other abuse....
@CultstoConsciousness Жыл бұрын
i'll bring this up to her today in our live! (noon pacific)
@melissam.pledger6467 Жыл бұрын
So, our neighbors a few blocks away here in Kaysville are rumored to be Kingston poligs... is there anything a regular citizen can do to protect children in our community from SA and incest, coercion, etc? I genuinely want to help but have no idea how?
@andiralosh2173 Жыл бұрын
I love the vibe here 🥰 and the support for healing. Thanks!
@kaneykane3449 Жыл бұрын
As horrendous as it all is... I guess a part of me was hoping that at the very least these women were provided with houses, supported & could stay at home with their children but to be neglected, working, surviving on food stamps, paying your husband/ church rent. Just awful. Makes sense now that in sister wives Janelle seemed to be the main bread winner out of everyone & was supporting at least 1 other household.
@CultstoConsciousness Жыл бұрын
Exactly. It’s so backwards and awful
@rudy2360 Жыл бұрын
Yes this is true. Really true.
@siobhanharte5075 Жыл бұрын
Yes I thought the deal was wives get to be financially cared for at least! That’s what they make out. Of course I don’t expect men to work to earn for six women and forty kids but living in poverty, just another reason this is morally wrong.
@klazinavanderlek-ed7xu 11 ай бұрын
My grandmother was not in a cult but she had 18 children (no twins) and she lived until she was 94 years old
@kaneykane3449 11 ай бұрын
@klazinavanderlek-ed7xu mine was married at 15, had 14 children with 12 who survived & lived to be 91. She didn't want that life for her own children.
@sngray11 Жыл бұрын
Thank you Shelise for having Amanda back onto share more of her story and experiences with The Order with all of us. 💗 This video left me with extreme gratitude for the freedom that I have. 💞
@CultstoConsciousness Жыл бұрын
You are so welcome! Thanks for your support
@Aelffwynn Жыл бұрын
Another illuminating video from two knowledgeable, radiant women! ✨️ Thank you so much. Wall of text incoming 😅: Really makes me wonder what would happen if the Kingston women "unionized." They are so damn valuable. If they just KNEW it, they wouldn't even have to leave to have better treatment. The leaders would have to cave and give into their demands, or the men would lose everything. My mother wasn't in a cult per se, but has been in abusive marriages that were cult-like. She ALWAYS defers to men and has NO confidence in her own decision-making, even though she has deconstructed and is now single. I tell her all the time (and get very frustrated at times) that she's an ADULT who supported us for YEARS. She doesn't need anyone to give her permission!! But it's so hard to deprogram. On the note of, "I held this baby and knew I would marry her," that's the same thing President Grover Cleveland said about his wife, Frances Folsom. Her father died when she was a child and Cleveland was her GUARDIAN and in charge of her family estate. 🤮
@carriepenny790 Жыл бұрын
*loop 1:11:03 1:11:04 hj l l 1:11:40 I&huh jjh uh l. L nouh hhj
@andymackey Жыл бұрын
These conversations are like free therapy for me 😁
@lori342 Жыл бұрын
I heard they did baptism for the dead for Ann Frank. That's so offensive. I have LDS relatives in California and they were so sweet helping with genealogical stuff, but it broke my heart when I found out that the main reason they do that is for baptism for the dead.
@justkiddin84 Жыл бұрын
Both of you are incredibly strong and intelligent women. Facing these bloated gross selfish people and asking hard questions and telling the truth about them is heroic!♥️✌️
@CultstoConsciousness Жыл бұрын
Thank you! 🥰
@justsewit_tk5477 Жыл бұрын
I have had the ostracisation of family. I'm not practising mormonism but before my parents divorced we were in this religion. My mother had custody of us as we left the LDS. My father stayed. After his mum passed away he went crazy and sent death threats down the phone and we were so scared to go to her funeral (she wasn't LDS). He had a child with another lady who became his wife (incidentally third but he wasn't polygamist). They had a daughter who I tried so hard to have a relationship with when I was growing up - I would have very few visitations with my dad. He wrote us (my sister from his marriage to my mum) a letter after my nanna passed and told us we were no longer a part of his family and that I was to have no relationship with my baby sister. He got sick and decided 20 years after he disowned us to write to us to find out if he was a grandfather or not. We wrote back basically telling him he had forfeited all rights to know because he chose estrangement - he called us deranged. because we wouldn't give him the answer he wanted. He died and we did the dutiful thing and attended his funeral (which was very weird) and meeting my sister after years, her being an adult, we were still met with stoney silence. We do bot have a relationship even 6 years after my father's death.
@maggielovestoads Жыл бұрын
To the bit at the end about laughter: I also think that laughing about your past situations and things also is a positive way of celebrating how you are now in a better place(:
@w.m.8126 11 ай бұрын
Words cannot say how many times I identified memories, feelings, moments, and more in this interview. I was a brief convert of LDS (my choice), so I remember vague parts of the religion though didn't connect them to maybe some underlying issues I've had inside myself (ex: "needing to be the perfect person" schema, relationship with my body, etc.). It's been weird and wonderful and so wild to get those little ah huh's this episode and thank you for sharing !! Amanda Rae is so cool and continue being yourself girly. I love what you said about there's three parts of yourself and living as your true 'self' is when those three parts would be described as the same.
@nuvey7939 Жыл бұрын
Hispanic man here - Probably not me, but I grew up in Davis County, UT. Once upon a time, about Spring 2009, a woman named "Julie" cheated on her Kingston Clan husband with me. Doubt I was the one from the story, but it did catch my ear lol.
@djdalad Жыл бұрын
I loved watching Escaping Polygamy, I wish you well in finding your authentic self, no matter how long it takes to remove the cult programming, it will be worth it
@Junkinsally 10 ай бұрын
As someone who grew up in the Jehovah’s Witnesses I thought that cult was weird….little did I know the JW’s were tame! So proud of you ladies for getting out! Continued healings and blessings to you both.
@ruthtullett977 9 ай бұрын
I don’t know much about the Morman Church and it’s teachings but I do know I am livid about what I have learnt today. I am especially angry at how these disgusting males get away with using and abusing women & children for their own selfish gain & gratification. How you ladies have survived this toxic, controlling, cruel & paedophilic cult is beyond me. I am overwhelmed by your strength, your courage and tenacity. Thank you for opening up your lives to us and for shedding light on this horrendous religious organisation.
@cindyszyszkiewicz4786 11 ай бұрын
After what so many go through it does my heart good to hear laughter. Thanks for reminding me about Holding Out Help, in the process of filling out my donation form. If anyone reads this please consider donating or volunteering. This is a worthwhile place to help wherever you can.
@daisyfox2452 Жыл бұрын
I was raised Roman Catholic, was head-strong and independent. I still didn't have a *strong* sense of myself until my mid-30s. Don't worry, keep trying and you will come into yourself.
@YahFllr 9 ай бұрын
I was raised in a southern baptist alabama family, and my father was one of 16 kids, and my mother was one of 8. My grandmother would jokingly say "if your Papa even looks at me funny I get pregnant. They where of the 1920's timeframe.
@truthseeker4431 Жыл бұрын
As I read my Brighamite branch of my g grandmother's (Julia Hills Johnson Smith) journal, I discovered her daughter included an epilogue. She said this second generation polygamist, third wife of Joesph Smith's cousin Jesse N. Smith... accepted polygamy happily since she was born into it. Indoctrinated from birth kept screaming in my mind. She was one of the many daughters of Joel Hills Johnson, the writer of High on a Mountain Top... the LD$ hymn. Groomed. And obviously, that was okay. Every few years there are huge family reunions for the progenitors of these MEN and we are supposed to sing their praises for being so faithful and righteous. Even the obituaries of the plural wives praise the men. The age differences between husband and wives tell a whole story of exploitation and abuse on their own. Barf.
@Septimus_ii Жыл бұрын
I'm down for an entire episode about the banking :D
@EmShannon Жыл бұрын
Yay another Video!!! With Amanda Rae❤
@nesser1352 Жыл бұрын
This was a great episode! I hope the two of you collaborate more!
@CultstoConsciousness Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much! We definitely will ❤️😁
@YvonaLive4Love Жыл бұрын
Great interview I’m a huge fan of Amanda and watched all the “ escaping polygamy “ wish the show would come back sending love and light from Alberta Canada 🇨🇦 to you ladies 💜💜💜
@djdingwall1 Жыл бұрын
Totally speechless Amanda, you are THE BOMB girl. ❤❤❤ Love you Shelise!!💖💖💖
@buckin8969 Жыл бұрын
This was such a good interview. I wish it were twice as long.
@CultstoConsciousness Жыл бұрын
There’s another video with Amanda! 😁 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ir-Il5l8qtvYeYE.html
@MustAvoidScurvy Жыл бұрын
Amazing interview!! Please, do more episodes with Amanda!! Some members of my family are part of a catholic cult. They are really deep into it since many many years ago (many years before I was even born). It's very interesting and heartbreaking seeing how different coercitive groups share so many traits! Thank you for sharing your knowledge and kindness, Shelise ❤
@CultstoConsciousness Жыл бұрын
More to come! we are going live at noon pacific today!
@angiiemarie6097 Жыл бұрын
Please drop the name of this catholic group. For research
@elissadrummond198 8 ай бұрын
I loved this episode! Thank you ladies. There was so many things you said Amanda that I could relate to. The deconstruction over and over again, I absolutely feel that often.
@ronwisegamgee Жыл бұрын
Great interviews with Amanda. Going to watch the third one now. Also, "Don't boink ya sistas!" needs to be the name of an album or a hit single or something.
@fairwindsemptyroads Жыл бұрын
Yay was waiting to see this part 2! Love your interviews so much ❤️
@CultstoConsciousness Жыл бұрын
woo! we are going live today at noon pacific
@angiesunnie8469 Жыл бұрын
Just stumbled across this conversation and I am so impressed by the strong female energy here!!❤
@CultstoConsciousness Жыл бұрын
Thank you, Angie!
@topher2113 Жыл бұрын
@43:20 my SIL married a man that was 33 years older then her that was a friend of the family. The man use to make jokes about "how's my future wife doing today?" when she was little and they have pictures of him holding her as a toddler. He swooped in right after she got out of an abusive relationship and love bombed her so hard, they were living together within 2 months, married less then a year later. It surprised me just how little this all seemed to bother anyone else. This still makes me so uncomfortable to even think about, I couldn't image it just being a normal part of life. Makes my heart break for all those girls stuck in that cult.
@CultstoConsciousness Жыл бұрын
Eeeek that’s soooo uncomfortable.
@nateman3365 Жыл бұрын
This story is so fascinating. I’ve noticed that so many of these Mormon split off groups have all the Joseph smith teaching ingrained within them.
@megangray7769 Жыл бұрын
Wow this was so eye opening and I appreciate the openness of both of you lovely ladies 💚🌱I really loved the statement "if the women knew how much power they hold.." that really touched my heart, I'm in tears with this story. Much love and blessings to you both !
@CultstoConsciousness Жыл бұрын
Thank you!❤️🙌
@savinabees9220 Жыл бұрын
WOW! The two of you have some fine chemistry! Nice Job. Im so inspired by your strength. Both of you. I love the addition of humor to heal from the wounds of your respective cults. You are powerful forces and I look forward to seeing your next moves!
@CultstoConsciousness Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much!
@meghaffer Жыл бұрын
When your cult is so bad that "The Order" is a safe place to escape to 🤯
@CultstoConsciousness Жыл бұрын
Great observation!!
@jekanyika 10 ай бұрын
Growing up in such a messed up environment yet being so normal, she's impressive.
@masterjbrown Жыл бұрын
In response to some inaccuracies. The Kingston group was started by Charles "Elden" Kingston. The second leader of his group, John "Ortell" Kingston was his full brother, not his son. Their father was Charles William Kingston, Order man #5. The two women sent to kill Rulon Allred in 1977 were aged 19 and 20. The 19 year old shooter was married to Ervil. The 20 year old accomplice was Ervil's step daughter. She's the daughter of Anna Mae, who was married to Ervil.
@lesevans6567 Жыл бұрын
I’m an old man. I’ve never been in the grips of a cult. I wish some of you all could see and hear what I see and hear as I watch these shows. I have actually met 2 people that had direct experience with a cult. And, I can’t grasp even the small stories they had. And, I wish I could catch the casts live. But, I learn so much from you all.
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