Exactly it’s so messed up

They now have to get pass probationary period !!

They were probably holding out for that tier 1 offer, like he said. I'm sure they got plenty of interviews and probably even a few offers.

I find it very hard to believe anyone would send out that many applications. You should be carefully analyzing every company you apply to, for your own benefit. It sounds like they did the "spray and pray" approach.

@@genx7006 I don’t think it would be that hard to reach 5,000 application as there are companies that have automated third party sites like Greenhouse, Lever, etc and many big companies use those as well. In my opinion, spray and pray (in numbers) analytically looks inefficient but if the process takes you less time to actually secure a job, is it actually a terrible method? 5,000 where the average time spent is maybe 10-15 100 applications where the average time is rough 1hr- 1.5hr Depending on what market, each approach works well but the amount of rejects in SnP makes your overall average look worse.

That's crazy! If an ex Apple and ex Amazon is struggling, I can't imagine how new grads are doing. I'm gonna be a CS new grad myself in about 2 years, hopefully things will be better by then for everyone.

@@andressswe Lol I am a cum laude new grad from a pretty good university with some professional experience (building software for a professor and freelance) and only got one real interview in the last 4 months of searching. I definitely haven't applied to thousands of jobs yet but yes it is very difficult rn for new grads. Update: Actually just got an interview with a good company! Tip - apply to companies that show up at your university's job fairs.

@@andresssweMy advice is never stop learning and don't hesitate to take risk and start your own streams of income.

dude if you are not lying then holy SH!T! fk work; I think most are just shadow jobs anyway

This is a straight-out lie, unless you were like HR or something a SWE from these companies will GUARANTEE you a cushy position at a mid sized firm.

Reality check, a bootcamp doesn’t make you a software engineer. Not even remotely close. It’s absurd that the US doesn’t protect the title like some other countries do.

@@xxxxyyyy-ll3hz I didn’t take a Bootcamp, but there’s a lot that goes into being a software engineer rather than just a developer. On top of the free course I took (which only specifically taught iOS development) I’ve read several books as well to build structure underneath my specific development knowledge. During my iOS dev course and even into after I got hired as a software engineer I was reading through these books as well - Head first software development, head first design patterns, Gang of Four design patterns, UML diagrams, head first agile, head first software architecture. I believe me reading all of these books on my own accord, and incorporating them into how I design software and build it is the key to how I secured a software engineering job. Edit: Oh, and the book I’m reading now (purely for fun and growth) is the “common sense guide to data structures and algorithms”

@@xxxxyyyy-ll3hzdude, it’s about experience and ability/competency. Plus, when interviewing it’s not all about technical skills, networking and relationships building + rapport and the lack of it can be used to leverage your chance of being hired

@@xxxxyyyy-ll3hz bro deal with it. If he’s working and doing fine, you’re just closing the market to those who cant afford it. That is never going to happen.

I better start moving now, project is really the important. Good Luck everyone

@ArbitrarilyAnswereD if the company can't do it then it should collapse and not be a company then.

@@Protocol15you should hire small children

@@vectoralphaSec tell that to every other field’s enter level wages lol.

From someone who was once in your shoes that was the dream scenario; just a decent wage and some opportunities to gain experience. The big problem is they would need to invest time which is more expensive than money in hopes you develop which may not happen. And if you do develop you’re likely to leave in 2-3 years for more pay because your market value has increased significantly and most companies have archaic promotion processes. Essentially, it’s better to get someone with experience and pay them more to get the work done and not worry about them leaving for more money.

I really love this comment…I agree!

Not in other countries my guy. USA is not the whole world. Plenty of young people in Asia and LATAM

Age out or burn out at this rate.

lol No company hires anymore entry level junior devs and all the current devs grow old, leave or retire. Thus the company has no more employees. The company collapses.

they hire juniors in other countries and if they need people in US they can transfer them over really easily. I moved from Poland to US and while the big tech cut jobs in US they hired thousands of engineers in Poland. Its great talent, 3x cheaper.

@@cafer12098 If you think the market abroad for juniors is any different, you are mistaken. Just as USA has barely any junior positions, so does the majority of Europe for example. When the dev crisis hits, it will hiy everyone.

Thats wild. Best of luck 👍

You're not alone. I've sent over 1000 applications and I'm still unemployed.

If you're flexible about moving and can pass a security investigation from the government, I'd take a look at some government contracting jobs. There's a lot of demand for entry level positions and they pay quite well. Depending on the area I'd say you'd make 65-100k in most entry level roles.

@@Imgone251 Thanks I’ll look more into it. I live in Canada and we have the CSA here and I’ve applied there once before but never had any luck

is this in the US? and what area do you recommend?@@Imgone251

You’re all came out half baked that’s why.

It's wild how you literally have to create your own company or get hired by a family member just to start your tech career and break in!

​@@TheSoulCrisisno you don't 'have' to do that. Bootcamp grads just aren't looked at very positively. Especially when up against someone that has real experience. Someone struggling to get hired right now is better of focusing on freelancing until the market improves

It's called economic collapse.

lol same

Because those people are not skilled unfortunately they are just fraudsters and impostors doing 2 week boot-camp wanting to become engineers not proper Computer science degrees from reputable universities. hope this helps

Same!

How’s it on upwork? How do you go about it? It’s too tough for me, react/web dev competition is insane, you probably don’t do those

yeah any info on what stacks you used and what else you did to get hired? also how many jobs did you apply to

I think that’s where am gonna start from

​@@DexterrrrXSounds hard. What are good alternatives? PHP, API's perhaps

Yeah now imagine getting a CS degree and still not being able to find a job. Good for you for finding something, but all of these “Do X boot camp in Y days and you’ll get a Z figure tech job” are part of the problem of why this field is so saturated.

you're not alone, I just don't know what to blame anymore, the market or myself.

Are you guys new grads?

@@technodrome I graduated a few years ago yeah

let’s drive into the woods and start a woodworking company 🙏 no full time job since graduating cs this last may

Yeah, videos like these really make it hard to commit to the field. I have a year left of classes for my CS degree and I’ve been on and off about whether or not I want to finish it. I’m seeing people with far more experience and prestigious schools unable to land jobs and that just makes it seem impossible for those doing non traditional paths

May I ask how you pivoted using a CS degree? Did you do any thing in particular that you feel helped you in journey? I’m currently still in school for CS and wondering how to gain jobs like PM that may have a higher job security. Also how did you leverage your developer skills for IT and to move into PM? Sorry for the barrage of questions, still wondering about my degree in this job market

@@lololoololdudusoejdhdjswkk347 no worries, I know the feeling of being uncertain about a CS degree, I was there. To speak from my personal experience a lot of government applications are a lil more dated than modern tech companies. From what I’ve witnessed so far is there’s a high demand of software overhaul across multiple departments. About a few months into my career a data migration between 2 ERP systems were going on as well as a new water meter system integration. Both of these allowed me to work with various databases writing queries as a “Pseudo database manager” and then using python to fetch data to send to and from applications. A really fun one was using selenium to automate email, account setups and resets, and other IT ticket tasks. This let me work on several things at once or just kick back and relax. You just have to put yourself out there, if there’s a problem you see or project that you think your skills can be utilized go for it.

public sector government job in IT? Do you need to do a background check for those types of jobs?

@@vectoralphaSec Yes you do.

90k project manager role is low. Here in NYC similar position employee can get at least $130k, senior can get $160k.

All we can do is keep trying and hope for the best lol

This is exactly what I've heard from mentors in the field, just take the first job and get your experience. No luck yet, but it's only been about a month of hunting so far!

@Harpie. just don't give up and you will get one. In the mean time keep coding everyday.

Post your resume skills

I would be okay to get a 40k or 30k dev job building projects compared taking 100 calls a day.

Exactly. Half these people saying they're struggling I'd bet are applying to 6 figure roles for their first gig. The much smarter strategy right now is to just take anything that pays a liveable wage. The experience you'll be able to put on a resume is worth it and by the time things improve you'll be much more competitive. Hell, if I didn't need the money desperately I'd even work for free for a few months.

Love your outlook!

@javieralvarado5138 Thank you for the support. Yes, keep grinding it out. Its an uphill battle but one that can and will payoff big. You can do it remember with the job search nothing is preventing you from being creative/breaking the norms of HOW to apply to jobs.

I appreciate this. Yes let’s keep on working, you arnt alone on this

What is your current job?

Try and get a low level IT/Tech job as a Junior. You'll take a considerable paycut but with those certifications and if your portfolio is decent, you will get a job within the year. Most tech companies hire based on portfolios and from other people in tech.

​@ExistentialSadness I was gonna ask the same lol

Unfortunately DevOps isn't entry level, and certifications or degrees do not automatically qualify you for any IT roles. keep getting experience and you will land these roles soon!

If that’s case hopefully that’s soon. It’s so hard to get even a reply for positions with the qualifications. Entry level jobs are asking for years of experience (usually 2-4 years here) when it’s supposed to be entry level (starting off carrier). Even is hard for getting computer support technicians which should be needed like software engineers like this video talks about.

​@speedracer123222 even if they cut rates next month, it will still take 6+ months to see the effects. Job market is going to be bad for basically another year.

I have been waiting for the Nasdak to fall. Why it still hasn’t happened? So many people laid off less expense in the market. Or it’s just bad in the tech field?

Yeah... plan B for me is to get into trades and then do mechanical engineering possibly. Graduated CS over a year ago, made some interviews but the job market seems bad for entry level.

It's the recession bro. Companies are recession-proofing themselves right now. They anticipate it begins early next year. If a recession wasn't incoming and we were in a growth cycle rather than a decline cycle, these companies would be hiring like crazy. It might take 1 - 3 years

@@tear728 makes sense

no it's not. people spend their time in instagram and youtube, no code needed anymore@@im4485

@stevenvillarreal8970 it’s a hard market right now. But I must say your ratio here is solid, which is crazy to say. I’ve always been told that you should average about 10 on-sites before an offer. 160 job apps is a good start, I would say try hitting jobs now that you value less and spend less time on each app (less then 2 mins per/ do 30-40 a day). See if you can get more interview hits. Build your confidence with less desirable roles. Then hit the higher tier jobs. You got the resume and it sounds like and the skills. Every single interview is an isolated event, so don’t let feedback totally consume you. Good work on getting a job even if it is the gas station. Put that on autopilot, clock in and clock out. Use your remaining energy to practice coding. You got this.

Exactly. They don’t realize they are basically the software equivalent of fry cooks.

@stanleychukwu7424 i appreciate the support!

Which bootcamp did you do?

same bro same story ..... I took an udemy course for front end development and later did a 7-8 months internship in a startup, since then I didn't even get a single opportunity in web development...... I even had projects hosted to show recruiters......Then all of a sudden I saw a post for a digital marketing executive..... They hired me and I did my best to learn SEO....I also do video editing, wordpress and making minor changes in websites, Though I always dreamt of doing a development job , but I'm happy that at least I have a job to survive........

@@rocksolidxktp UCF

@@BrandonGiordano That's a Trilogy bootcamp right?

How much do you make at that job?

What do we do man? I just started learning to code, solely for the money. This shit sucks, lol.

I started to notice it too, I work as a chemical operator in a factory since november. New job, good pay. Almost as much as a medior C# software developer in finance but in terms of study I did only a fraction of what you have to learn as said developer. I wanted to chase a career but looking at the latest trends, I will continue coding but to implement my own idea's. Maybe make a project that can make me some money. Looking at how things develop pursueing a career seems like the worst idea when having coding knowledge.

@@unc1221 lol, yeah tbh if you code solely for the money it might not be for you. I’m sort of in the same boat. Possible you get lucky, but everyone I know who is successful in this field really does have a passion for it and live and breathe it almost. I have an interest in coding, but not a passion, and dedicating the time it takes to become really good would not make me happy. Some are able to fake it till they make it, but they are rare and usually found out at some point. Unless you really enjoy it, I would not recommend. The amount of work to payoff is becoming less and less.

Supply exceeded the demand

Awesome! I have a chance at a job!

Have you considered finance tech jobs or public sector jobs?

Data science is a crap shoot nowadays. Something like Data Analyst is more ubiquitous. But also having Senior Data Scientist on your resume will surely lead to a management level position. The fact that you got the title of Senior Data Scientist is impressive enough

That's great money! What state are you working in?

@@manny7662 I was already in FinTech, what is strange is the same week of the layoff they sent an email saying they made record breaking billion dollar profits. It was so tone deaf. The problem with the public sector is that they aren’t really focusing on big tech projects. They usually have bandage solutions because they have limited government funding. Hopefully the new AI bill will bring more research funding but for now, USA AI research is lagging behind other countries funding

@@Ved3sten Thank you!!. Most of the time, I am overqualified for these positions 😔

100% Agree. Same with cybersecurity

that’s the wildest but most accurate analogy i’ve heard in a hot minute. best of luck in your search sota, i completely get it chief!

Every tried picking up bitches in the gym? They don’t mind your funk.

@samsonabraha9536 I appreciate this.

Everyone likes to call themselves software engineers. At least that's what bootcamp taught me, i never like that idea though. They taught us to call ourselves software engineer, but all I see is web development. Imagine being called a developer or a coder or a programmer these days.

@@wh.n software engineers that can't tell you how softwares work and are not engineers. Two for the price of none.

This is so stupid comment. Your assumption that web dev is nothing but simple, already tells how narrow sight and small information you’ve got about the field. Oh yeah, compared to data ‘scientist’ maybe they need more degrees and study because of the math and the personality of the field same as machine learning. And if you think that you gf took some time to land on a job is because of those ‘fake engineers’, you are totally wrong. They just have much smaller positions opening(i don’t think you need 100 of data scientists to work on sth) but higher salaries. And I bet other competitions would gained similar level of study and experiences as you gf since it is kind of minimum requirement of the field tbh. It is more of a ‘study’! Same that you don’t get more job offer because you studied master, doctor degree about history…lol It is more like there are no proper terms calling them but software engineers yet since there are new and young professions still coming up, and it is easier call them engineers and then categorize them by computer language they use later. (Honestly I bet people outside of tech industry wouldn’t know what is going on even, and it is headache for them to care bout all the different labels to put on) not because bootcamp newbies are equal as ‘20 yrs experiences phd holders’, and actually you can just call ‘web developer’ and i think you are being confused with the line between ‘web designer’. Thesedays web designers also should know basic html/css and maybe a bit of javascript. But in the world of full stack web dev is not that easy and simple, just they don’t need those big chubby CS or math degree. It is a bit shame to see people who feel superior about being called ‘engineer’. Like c++ is superior than javascript? So it means if you use c++ well enough, JS mastering is a piece of cake? And what, Java VS Ruby which one is superior and more difficult? This is just pathetic to even think about if you at least have slight of sight about IT industy…. So, in the field of real mechanical engineering, or anything else like interior designer, ya’ll call them different by their degree or experience level?🤣didn’t know that!

And I wonder how you feel about being dragged down for being software engineers are not ‘real engineers’ by those mechanical engineers. And then see, it happens even in same field. It is hard to understand why people wanna taste a bit of superiority than just a person sitting next to you, maybe it gets stronger when they are being insecure inside :(

@@rookim1271 im personally not a software engineer since i dont have an engineering degree.

why did you move from london to toronto???

But salary is way different than UK

Seems like Europe and UK have less a hard time for any level of tech jobs. If you don't mind, what kind of SE are you ? Or if you're not a SE in what field are you working now? 😊 Thanks buddy 🙂

Trucking is a dying oversaturated industry. Don’t set yourself up to get in debt, the ROI is not worth it. Most guys I know in trucking are trying to get out.

2022 graduate here still applying while working a side job too, wish you luck. I'm sure with 8 years of experience you'll be fine eventually

15 years of dev here and retired in my 30s two years ago. I was still getting so many recruiters and emails that I just ended up deleting LinkedIn. Was in data warehousing mainly.

Same boat. I graduated 6 months ago and have stayed on as an intern at a global corporation since summer 2022. Pretty much all the US workers just got laid off last week because they moved software engineering to India to save money. I was supposed to get a full-time offer that my bosses really wanted me to have but corporate shut it down despite that fact that I have been treated like a full-time employee for the past year and a half. Now I'm still in intern limbo looking for a real job with a fair wage and benefits.

@@GalicianStrongman I think it’s going to get to the point where software engineers become a $60k a year job in order to compete with workers overseas who will do the same for less money otherwise it will go the same way of manufacturing in that all those jobs got sent overseas and now 30 years later we are only seeing some corrections with that industry. A lot of people I know on the software side love to work from home but sadly working from home is now a dog whistle for I can hire a remote worker from overseas for cheaper.

@@xxxxMonkeyGirlxxxx nothing to worry about. Offshoring has happened in hype cycle markets. And it happens for various crappy reasons not related to this job market. For instance, new ceo comes in, needs to get stock price up, so they announce they'll "save money" by cutting employee costs, so they hire offshored devs. The impact of this is not felt until way later on, most likely when that ceo is long gone and got his bonus while the company is sinking in not delivering a valuable product. Terrible but has happened ALL the time. you do not need to worry. As someone who has seen this happen, offshore developers fall short for MANY reasons including communication and culture otherwise developer salaries would have lost a lot of money already.

I'm seeing the same. In US we have a hiring freeze and massive layoffs but we're growing in India. Last two big projects the company undertook had no US workers other than a couple project managers.

The bad thing about offshoring your engineers is that when those offshore teams leave, and you have a legacy codebase, good luck trying to get anyone to understand it. Majority of the time, offshore projects that are given to our team are re-written due to the poor nature of the code and inability to actually perform the functional requirements. So yes, you get 2 "engineers" for the price of one but you better hope they are decent enough to follow the development cycle and no write something just for the money. Best of luck to your company!

Dude, I hate to break it to you but they’re not hiring someone with an associates. You need to attend a 4 year college of engineering.

@@DonovanGG__ and what about someone with a 2 year master degree in comp science but undergrad is in different field

@@DonovanGG__that is absolute bullcrap. I personally know several people in industry with 4 year degrees who have coworkers that don’t have any degree, or have a non STEM degree, or have a 2 year STEM degree. All of them learned how to code, either self taught or Bootcamp, and made projects and then gained experience on the job by getting entry level roles. The trick is to make something useful to the real world that demonstrates your competence. And then explain it in an interview.

@@DonovanGG__ Not true. I'm nearing the end of my associate degree and I have several classmates that already have job offers. I live in an area where work is primarily around manufacturing. Definitely keep an eye on the small- and mid-size companies that are not traditional tech. If your portfolio is good and you interview well there is hope.

100% this, can't stress it enough - I lost my job of 5 years where I was making 135K about 6 months ago, never thought I would be with no source of income. I burned through what little I had saved and unemployment barely kept me afloat, constantly kicking myself for not having put the majority of it away. It should have been a comfortable 6 month hiatus where I could focus on upping my game; instead I was scrounging to pay bills and was extremely stressed. Put that money away people and be ready to tighten your belt when you need to.

@@nicholasmejia7972 Yeah it’s so important to assume you can be fired anyway and to prepare accordingly

Valve?

and your candidacy more obsolete lol

I honestly think the AI revolution is why finding jobs are so much harder in SWE. And I think it will only continue to get more difficult as a result.

@@Jump-2-the-moon yes GPT can do in ten seconds what entry level coders would do in ten hours. This is revolutionary change for the SW job market

@@Jump-2-the-moon People with hard skills (C programming) will stay in "the game" no matter what happens I suppose. Those bilions of if's still are the upgraded version of google. Nothing more.

​@@Jump-2-the-moonwell you are wrong. It's all interest rates and consequences of overhiring

Which boot camp and how much work did you do before/after boot camp?

Don’t join bootcamps that don’t have connections to companies or help you setup interviews

Harsh truth is that school is the way to go, if i had to hire dev, that paper is worth something compared to bootcamp.

@@martinlutherkingjr.5582 I went to UNLV and did an unpaid internship at WozU

Dude don’t follow the hype. Nursing there’s always opening big pay too

I think having a lot of personal projects under your belt stands out more. I seen a video that the recruiters don’t really care if you have a compsci degree but it only says that under job application (ex. Bachelors in compsci prefered) because they don’t want randoms applying. They only care that you know how to code and you know what you’re doing. If you can show them that through the projects and in the tech interview. You def will stand out more than some who has a compsci with no projects.

As long as you're opiniated, communicative, receptive, and a good mentor, you would be a decent candidate for many senior positions. Depends on company though, some companies want the emo sit in a corner code all day seniors, some people want seniors that arent a pain to talk to. As long as you've had a decent stake in the projects you've been a part of over your 4 years you shouldn't be afraid of applying for senior jobs

Go in person, ask to speak to the big boss and hand your resume in person with a lasting impression.

Hey man, my experience was a little different (UX vs CS) but I spent almost 2 years looking for a job in my field after graduating into the covid pandemic. It's fucking hard, but you will eventually make it! Please don't give up and know that while it's going to be difficult, if I can do it you can too. Best of luck to you in your job search. First one is always the hardest.

This!

hope you find something soon!

What tech role?

This question depends on your location. 55k is good money in Europe, but then life is cheaper.

You can still learn to code and do fun projects on the side, some of which could be potential money makers.

@@tonyp314 if actuaries are in danger of being replaced by AI, then all accounting/finance/analyst/data science/etc. jobs are in danger of being replaced by AI. Hell, if we get to that point, then any job that requires an education is in danger of at LEAST layoffs. We don't even know what the world will look like when we get there, so no point in making a career decision off of it.

because web dev sucks do some backend or machine learning or fin tech web dev is something a 5 year old can do

That’s insane! What did you specialize in? Mobile or web dev?

@@cirjeex6412 I went to college BS in Software Engineering. I applied to both web dev and mobile roles. No offer yet.

jesus

I graduated in May of this year as well. I did great in school too. I'm in the same boat.

@@mako_hdmakes me feel like an imposter. I hope the job market gets better because those loans gonna soon start needing payment.

Yeah, networking is really the only way to get in these days.

Do you know if formatting is a key component of the automated systems or did they only mention keywords?

What tech stack have you worked with

They have right to demand because there’s a pool of software dev out there. You can lie on experience it they will still going to figure it out by background check

@@drew9073lol no they won’t. Background checks are usually criminal. Plenty of ppl lie on their resumes because of you don’t youu wont even get an interview and have a chance to explain yourself

Same here except i didn't get any offers

Congrats, man! Out of curiosity, did you have any internship experience?

Same situation here. Recruiters used to call me even when I had zero experience.

Don’t lose hope and keep doing projects 🙏🙏🙏

where are you from?

What do you think of AI disrupting coding jobs, making it more difficult to get in. At least I know 3 big KZfaqr programmers have lost their jobs.

​@@denniszenanywhereNot happening. Thats not en masse or real thing. Beware that youtubers can lie to produce more content.

Its mainly because of interest rates like he said. As they continue to rise, more and more layoffs. @@denniszenanywhere

@@naughtiousmaximus7853 So you're saying they lied that they lost their jobs. Wow, that's a new thing.

@@naughtiousmaximus7853why do u think that bro? Im trying to understand

This is how basically every other industry has been for years.