Customer States: My Mechanic Messed UP! Wheel falling OFF! 2011 Hyundai Sonata

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Forgotten bolt strips out and wheel is dangerously loose. Dangerous mechanical fail? Or just a mistake?
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@CarmeAce Жыл бұрын

You have not failed Ray. You successfully found a way that will not work.

@lorditsprobingtime6668 Жыл бұрын

I like that, the cup half full approach. Long live all optimists😄.

@kenkates9560 Жыл бұрын

😊😅😅

@deckgun31 Жыл бұрын

And, you’ve created another learning opportunity where you gain wisdom and experience. It’s not all bad. I would consider checking with a salvage yard, to see if they have the appropriate / necessary parts, but the bolt would be the same length as the one removed. And with the damaged threads, that leaves no room for the required new nut. 🤔

@SeersantLoom Жыл бұрын

This sure is not a fatal setback, Ray can fix it. It just takes longer or goes a bit differently than expected at first.

@terryleong7 Жыл бұрын

Lol😅

@Grumpy-sy7wr Жыл бұрын

My own opinion, I'd have procured a tap the correct size, cleaned up the remaining threads, procured a required length bolt of the same size, to protrude and a nut. Might have taken some work to find a suitable bolt with enough thread length, but it would have been my option. I am however, pleased that you posted it, we all take the hits with the wins, and this just shows that you're one of us.

@swart121 Жыл бұрын

That is a option but the problem is the existing treads are weakend given there are no cross treading involved it would be even more so if it has which just increase the chance of failure i wouldnt risk it given the amount of stress the bolt endures. Im no expert but thats just my thoughts. Now that i think of it if he had the tools he could make a bolt long enough to add a nut but it looked like fine treads on the factory bolt. Haha i love trying to figure out problematic situations.

@crownline5555 Жыл бұрын

EXACTLY

@norcal715 Жыл бұрын

@@swart121 I think Ray was purchasing SAE thread bolts when the original bolt was Metric, Probably M10 or M12 size (could not see the size from the video). I do believe that there are probably another 1/2 inch or more of good metric thread in the sub frame and if he taps them and adds a nut it will be better than is is now by far. The correct solution of course would be to replace the sub frame.

@jrkorman Жыл бұрын

@@norcal715 There might? be enough thread there, BUT would you be willing to bet your company on the potential liability of putting that back on the road?

@joepalmquist5374 Жыл бұрын

He showed measuring the bolts with the caliper. The original was M14. The smaller ones he bought are 1/2”. He just needs to tap that hole deeper an get a longer bolt. This ain’t rocket science. That sleeve is long enough to put 2” more thread if needed.

@lucasjimenez9706 Жыл бұрын

Man! I been working on cars for 5+ plus years and I’m so hard on my self for making mistakes thinking I should know better by now but knowing that a veteran mechanic can make simple mistakes give me hope and that’s why you haven’t fail!! Thank you for sharing the pain!

@andyharley2525 Жыл бұрын

I was screaming at the screen the whole time when you dry fit the bolt from your shop. DON'T FORGET THE THICKNESS OF THE ARM!!! 😲

@jrey7748 Жыл бұрын

Like Edison once said, I haven’t failed, just found 10,000 ways that didn’t work. We have all been there and thank you for posting a video showing you are human like the rest of us.

@ElysiumNZ Жыл бұрын

Thought Edison paid other people to find 10,000 ways that didn’t work?🤔

@59kimnie 9 ай бұрын

You cant do it right, whitout doing a mistake sometimes ! You are a human 😊 and not a robot.

@waynej747 Жыл бұрын

The best tip for anyone wishing to own a boat is to not own a boat but to make friends with someone who does!

@paullenzen2562 Жыл бұрын

Boat definition: A hole in the water into which you put money. 😁

@a4000t Жыл бұрын

never more true words spoken 😆

@davidkozina8856 Жыл бұрын

Break out another thousand

@svthorasailing4868 Жыл бұрын

@@paullenzen2562 BOAT=break out another thousand.

@108gk Жыл бұрын

Or you could just build your own boat. I've built 3 using the stitch and glue method. It adds a different perspective to owning a boat.

@salusburycheese Жыл бұрын

Oh Ray I feel your pain. I spent an entire day driving 6 hours each way to a place to come back empty handed because I didn't think straight either. It will work out, you're a pleasure to watch. Keep it up!

@jiwbink Жыл бұрын

6 HR drive for parts??

@jiwbink Жыл бұрын

6 HR DRIVE FOR PARTS??

@bluegreen2360 8 ай бұрын

Failure is not learning from your mistakes like was stated before you found a way it won't work. That's success to me.

@115533662244 Жыл бұрын

You only have two options to keep it safe. option 1 replace the subframe. Option 2 drill out the rest of the thread to the same diameter of the original bolt size get a longer bolt with a locknut or castle nut with a split pin . If you go with a thinner bolt than original you will have trouble with wheel alignment also it will come loose and eventually fail again. PS. Keep up with your great work you are a pleasure to watch. Also the WIFE UNIT.

@Shakrii Жыл бұрын

The type of nut he bought (ignoring the issue with the bolt) is better than a lock-nut.

@skismosis Жыл бұрын

i have to agree with you , i was thinking the same.

@michaelpressman7203 Жыл бұрын

You're right there is a lot of side load on that boat and if there's any play it will cause tire problems have a great day

@mod_incllc3235 Жыл бұрын

more sound advice

@mplconsulting Жыл бұрын

Only option 1 is the right way for me!

@mtnragnor Жыл бұрын

I wouldn't do it on a customer's car, but if it was my personal ride, I'd get the correct size tap, clean up the existing threads and get a nice long M14 bolt. Just one machinist talkin'. Love your stuff, Ray; keep up the good work!

@mod_incllc3235 Жыл бұрын

Great advice!

@lannyfenster7461 Жыл бұрын

I agree with the tap idea and maybe use a longer bolt and then use a castilated (spelling) nut on the back side for “just in case”. That’s the way this farmer would do it

@alexandergunaka666 2 ай бұрын

Yeah, if it was my car I would’ve tried an oversized or double oversized drain plug getting as far into the bag of tricks as he went,

@Xtraweak Жыл бұрын

The whole time I was thinking you need 2 more inches not one! It happens to the best of us! We learn from our mistakes and you'll be a better, wiser man for it! Love the videos, Ray.

@JamesSmith-xs7sr 11 ай бұрын

Sad deal... Kinda like blastin a load before yer up/in to the hilt... Live & learn I guess.

@lannyrobinson2458 Жыл бұрын

Ray, the engineers hid that bolt in the subframe for a reason. That reason is about 2” from the subframe, gas tank (read collision, puncture, gas fire). Replace the subframe and sleep on a soft pillow.

@brerobsym Жыл бұрын

One of the reasons I enjoy watching your vids is BECAUSE you post the so called 'failure' days! As an amateur tools gal who did most of my own repairs, I had some interesting failures over the years. Listening to your thought processes is also really helpful as it triggers a different way to approach an issue in my own head. Thanks Ray, and keep doing you!

@michaelpressman7203 Жыл бұрын

It is not a failure it's an unsolved problem have a great day

@seamasrigh2162 Жыл бұрын

This is so inspirational for us "3 trips to the parts/hardware store" DIYers. If it can happen to Ray well, you know.

@wendwllhickey6426 10 ай бұрын

Get a longer bolt same size and put a nut on end and use red locktite on nut

@birboguapo 8 ай бұрын

Thank you for posting. As a diyer who makes many mistakes, I find this video particularly helpful in so many ways. 👍

@peterloichtl4512 2 күн бұрын

install a bolt that has a split end this will straighten the left over internal threads then you can install the permanent bolt because the internal threads are realigned. split a sacrificial bolt with a thin one 1/6 inch cutting disc on a grinder about one inch deep or so on the end and like magic it will thread in and start itself perfect so when you tread it in and out a few times it will straighten any bent threads then you can replace it with the proper bolt . this works every time i tried it perfectly.

@918scott4 Жыл бұрын

You know what.. I run into these issues all the time where I forget the smallest things and I get so angry at myself. Seeing you experience this issue is a teaching moment for my temper. You have no idea how important it is for me to see you make a mistake. You are making me a better man in many ways!

@Imasundaj Жыл бұрын

I believe all of us know that angry feeling after making a mistake. Don't let that get to you.

@satguy Жыл бұрын

I knew it the minute he "measured" it, but yelling at the TV didn't change a thing.

@ericroellig6704 Жыл бұрын

I also yelled at the screen. But, it happens.

@NWSanta Жыл бұрын

I've been there! It's ok Ray! :D

@michaelpressman7203 Жыл бұрын

Ray didn't find make a mistake he's looking for a solution to a problem have a great day

@robertrosicki9290 Жыл бұрын

The real failure was how ineffective me yelling " Ray, Add the control arm bushing thickness !" over and over at my laptop from where I was sitting at the fringe of civilization in northern Canada . Like a crappy Christmas gift , it's the thought that counts .

@mickeymouse4897 Жыл бұрын

I saw the fail as you were sussing out a bolt length that would work .... I'm like "Nooooooo" don't go to the bolt store bro, you've measured wrong ... keep up the good work Ray, you're only human, we all make mistakes.

@grendel1960a Жыл бұрын

if you dont have a tap, but do have a spare bolt make a cut along the length of the bolt with a cutoff blade at right angles to the thread, whack a hefty champher on the end and it will act as a makeshift tap (probably 1 use only) and recut the threads. the cut you made gives room for the metal to move away from the cutting edge like a normal tap, the cut also forms your cutting edge.

@dans_Learning_Curve Жыл бұрын

Thread chaser. Done this a few times.

@timjohnun4297 Жыл бұрын

I think that thread's too far gone for that, personally. It's a critical component, I would replace the sub frame or remove it and have it repaired (Welded and re-tapped)

@dans_Learning_Curve Жыл бұрын

@@timjohnun4297 would depend if once the threads are cleaned up, would they hold torque specs, in my opinion.

@timjohnun4297 Жыл бұрын

@@dans_Learning_Curve I don't think there's enough metal left in there for anything to hold. Hoping Ray does a follow up video

@forgetfulme1719 Жыл бұрын

@@timjohnun4297 lives on the line if not done as u said.

@cardura99 Жыл бұрын

Kudos to you Ray for posting this video, and for keeping it real! (I wish the "DIY Home improvement" shows were this honest about how things really happen). I was really hoping that you still had that Miata chassis you just recycled recently to scavenge some possible donor hardware. Wish I was close-by to be your parts gopher! Thanks again for bringing us along on your journey Ray!

@petersmart1999 Жыл бұрын

Are you saying that you cant remodel an entire kitchen with high end countertops mohogany cabinets,travertine tile and viking appliances for 10 grand

@daviddelgado6090 Жыл бұрын

This complexity somehow reminded me of any sci-fi movie where there's a mechanical failure. There's no way we're ever surviving in space. 😂

@drewtonhouse Жыл бұрын

Ray .. everyday is a school day .. kudos for posting .. admitting mistakes takes balls 👍

@MrMattDat Жыл бұрын

Ray, the fact that you share the challenges you encounter AND the occassional error is AWESOME!!! Just adds to your honest approach to business. A+

@satguy Жыл бұрын

Replacing the subframe, which from a liability standpoint is the best solution. Or welding a nut inside the subframe to accept a new OE bolt.

@Taoelvenmage Жыл бұрын

Drill out the old threads, weld a nut in the subframe, put in bolt, Good to go.

@csorrows Жыл бұрын

It's actually a threaded sleeve in there, not a nut. But, replacing the sleeve is a viable repair, costing more in labor and probably being a wash cost wise vs just replacing the subframe.

@JRein721 Жыл бұрын

He’d still would have to figure clearance to weld w/ a gas tank right in the area of importance 😅 . Would have to get one of them outta the way 😢. Frustrating thinking on this, 2nd hand subframe, clean up, re coat it and install maybe? 😅

@JRein721 Жыл бұрын

@@csorrows yea it’s a inner sleeve, it’s a viable repair if you got the kit for it, which is apparent that most of us wouldn’t have for a situation outta main shop/ body repair. Know this on my e46 @ front control arm bushing the welded thread sleeve likes to get fouled overtime 😅

@satguy Жыл бұрын

@@JRein721 Gas tanks are made you come out. And I did say that the best solution was replacement of the subframe. It's just not the only solution.

@Enigma_V8 Жыл бұрын

I'm literally watching him push the bolt all the way through each time thinking I'm watching a 15 MPH train wreck about to happen. 🤣

@kaddiddlehopper Жыл бұрын

Maybe I'm a pessimist, but experience has taught me that almost without fail, "shortcuts" take longer than doing the job correctly to begin with. And then, even if they work, you're left with a cobbled mess.

@watchingdanny Жыл бұрын

Sometimes you win, sometimes you learn Ray. I appreciate you posting this video. Shows you're a real person and not always perfect like other KZfaqrs portray to be. Hang in there and keep keeping on. 😊

@thk7513 Жыл бұрын

The definition of experience: "Where the test is given first and the lessons are learned later.

@kimkeam2094 Жыл бұрын

Glad you posted this , we all have these moments! Just a suggestion, if there is a local motorbike store, the axle bolts are longer and may do the job. I had a look in my workshop and found an old one in my collection that was the right diameter. If I remember it was a bolt from a Yamaha scooter

@denisebasballe8278 Жыл бұрын

No failing, no learning.. as you told us, it was the longest bolt they have in stock 🤷🏼‍♀️ so keep up the good work champ .. big support from Denmark 🇩🇰

@nvdwarriorLtc Жыл бұрын

It is never a failure to learn something new. I will wager you will NEVER do that repair in the same way again! VICTORY, we have all learned and WE thank you Ray!

@John-yf4ie Жыл бұрын

I learned in the 30 years doing automotive and truck work the best way is to replace the component. I know you want to save the customer money, but it could backfire on you if the former mechanic or the homeowner attempted repairs and cross threaded the bolt. Let the customers know what you found and safety is the utmost importance to you!!

@51ubetcha Жыл бұрын

I agree on replacing the crossmember. As most tech know the meaning of CYA. Cover Your Ass and maybe avoid a possible law suit because you were the last one to touch it. Do the customer right for their safety.

@mod_incllc3235 Жыл бұрын

What? You guys are very generous with customer money. How about you communicate with the client . If it was my car I would have done the legwork and get the bolt to Ray. Just the fact that Ray had to take that road trip to Fastenal was strange enough. Dude you're a business owner. He needs to hire an apprentice/cameraman/ organizer/cleaner/errand boy!

@twatmunro Жыл бұрын

@@mod_incllc3235 -- Taking over an hour to drive to the bolt shop strikes me as being generous with customers money as well. Personally, if it was my car, I'd want that subframe replacing. I wouldn't want to be driving down a busy motorway at 70 mph when a jerry rigged structural component fails. Car repairs might be expensive, but they're a damn sight cheaper than medical bills.

@WACKO1123 Жыл бұрын

Here's what I would do in this situation. Measure the real length you need to go through both control arm and subframe +3/4" to install a nut. But use the same diameter as the original bolt. Get a tap to chase the original threads. Run the new bolt through and then install the nut on the bolt where it extends through the subframe. This way you have the correct original bolt diameter and it's through the original threads and nutted on the end. Good luck

@denniss5512 Жыл бұрын

Even this wouldn't be correct. The now unsupported length allows the bolt to flex. You shouldn't do this on a suspension part. Better to weld up and redrill and tap the subframe if you can't find one.

@dnandez79 Жыл бұрын

@@denniss5512 I think that might be why it ate the threads up in the first place. Id have done what the guy said in the comment. With a nut and washer on the end going all the way through the subframe it would have been just fine.

@donwest5387 8 ай бұрын

if you have the clearance for a tap

@mr__southern1492 2 ай бұрын

This is exactly what I'd do, Catch whatever threads that are left on the way to the other side then throw a nut on the other end. No reason that would fail and just know to keep an eye on it. I've done control arms that are a bolt and from factory and no issues so there should be zero issues.

@XxMusclecarsxX Жыл бұрын

This happen a lot in Canada. Torch a box out the subframe from the side and weld in a nut. then, reweld the piece you took off

@ajvg1037 Жыл бұрын

Mistakes happen, we all make them, I respect the fact that you still posted, don't beat yourself up too much bud, all is well! Thank you for your videos, I enjoy them!

@mr.tall-man1573 Жыл бұрын

Ray you had a day that goes like my days each time I work on my car or do a project around my house. I think we all feel ya buddy.

@neilb4209 Жыл бұрын

It's not totally a failure Ray. Just call it a learning experience. You always think of customers first and find way to save them money which only a true mechanic with a heart would think. Also, your true sense of humor made the videos fun to watch. Thank you and keep up your great spirit.

@timetryp422 Жыл бұрын

Ray's skills are exceptional!

@vanguy7810 Жыл бұрын

Cost him time and money to try to save someone else money Should have quoted new frame member for proper repair Customer can't afford it, then they can't afford to drive Take the bus

@laidiesman0417 Жыл бұрын

Your honesty and positive attitude makes me wanna drive halfway across the state so you can work on my car. Keep it up Ray! Best channel on KZfaq!

@mikejohnson4376 9 ай бұрын

Like your comment

@AntonioClaudioMichael Жыл бұрын

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@camhouck Жыл бұрын

I’d find the proper tap, of the same thread pitch of the original bolt, and chase it through. Still get a longer bolt that matches the chased threads and reaches to the other side and back it with a pinch nut like you planned. You’ll be golden.

@kevinzurawski158 Жыл бұрын

Otherwise get a threaded rod with a nut on both sides

@mikecabral1579 Жыл бұрын

You need to not forget about the replacement bolt being the proper size so it fits the control arm with no slop.

@dubbledown Жыл бұрын

@@mikecabral1579 cylinder bushing. Hardest part would be finding one that has thin enough walls to make up the difference of less than a couple hundredths of gap for the sloppiness of fitment. Frankly, I'd slip a bit of copper pipe over the rod and pound it thin on an anvil to get the right fitment if it came down to it. OR, sit it in a jig and drill it thinner on a press and it'll expand enough with heat to slip onto the bolt with pressure?

@donw3912 Жыл бұрын

It's all good Ray...it happens to the best of us. Personally I would opt for a subframe if a used one can be found without breaking the bank. The temp fix to move the car in and out is a step in the right direction...no more flippety floppety wheel action.

@marktiitto7616 Жыл бұрын

I only change subframes when they are rotted the f out and ya gotta have good old bolt supply

@rodneywise6413 Жыл бұрын

In the interest of repair liability, I’d go for replacing the subframe, too.

@jdmforever5583 Жыл бұрын

Doesn't need a subframe... just needs a longer Bolt🙄

@Biffo1262 Жыл бұрын

An engineer would weld, drill and tap but to properly it would mean removing the subframe and using a bench press so it would be just as well tonreplace the subframe.

@Biffo1262 Жыл бұрын

The alternative is screwed rod, tubular sleeve and nuts/washers. Screwed rod is always handy stuff to have in stock it is so adaptable. Lot cheaper than individual bolts too.

@MrRightNow Жыл бұрын

I was screaming at my TV before you drove the truck to the bolts store - "IT'S NOT GONNA WORK!!" 😂

@Iowagrown123 Жыл бұрын

Farm equipment frequently has larger/longer hardware. So, if you have any dealers near you, can get stuff through them, if you don't have a Fastenal type of retailer handy.

@mjb12141963 Жыл бұрын

Don't feel like you are the only one who has ever done this. I'm sure almost everyone who has spent any amount of time working on cars has done this. I was screaming at you your whole way to the store, trying to tell you were going to get the wrong size.

@crosstolerance Жыл бұрын

HAHA!

@utu51285 5 ай бұрын

I can do this three times on one job!😂

@brucemoore2163 Жыл бұрын

Hope all is well with the sick kids. Seems like everything you deal with is in a impossible place to get too. You are a magician, and your patience is off the charts.

@trevoranderson2905 Жыл бұрын

You know what a boat is " it's a hole in the water you poor money into " 😂😂

@herbertsays567 Жыл бұрын

I was yelling at my screen "You forgot to add the thickness of the control arm!!!"

@Laugh1ngboy Жыл бұрын

Well if you can find a tap I'd weld a piece of tubing through the frame and thread it. There has to be a machine shop around with a proper sized tap.

@waynespyker5731 Жыл бұрын

Machine Shop or a Rental Shop for a tap. ABom 79 is too far away in Pensacola!😊

@dariustambasco5457 Жыл бұрын

Ray , there’s no such thing as a failure, Keep the faith brother!! Love the videos and upbeat commentary!!

@michaellamb5781 2 ай бұрын

Thank you Ray you did not fail you showed us the truth and realism behind auto repair that things don't always go as planned and even the best miss calculate sometimes, we are human. This also shows you don't and will not just rig it for a dollar but you are honest and about the safety of people.

@irzyxelwj 13 күн бұрын

I've found exactly the same thing on one car. A wing and a prayer held the deal together until I got to it. Sheesh that person was lucky.

@davidrossing6240 Жыл бұрын

No worries Ray. Crap happens and it can happen to the best of us. You are still great at what you do! You're a wonderful mechanic, teacher and fun to watch! The only failure in life is not trying.

@andrewh9629 Жыл бұрын

Don't worry Ray, I do things all the time where another inch woulda made all the difference.

@Mrdugan5269 Жыл бұрын

Dont we all

@bobbg9041 Жыл бұрын

Is that what she said?

@Mrdugan5269 Жыл бұрын

@bobbg9041 if she didnt say it she thought it 🤣

@eddiebutts7923 Жыл бұрын

I think a longer bolt would work. Pull the subframe and tap it from the side with good threads to clean everything up.

@raptorms773 8 ай бұрын

The whole time I was like when is he gonna measure the the other part. Anxiety attack lol

@martinscott-reed5379 Жыл бұрын

I was shouting at the screen that you were forgetting the depth of the control arm bushing. When I saw the bolts you came out with I knew they weren't long enough. At least it was entertaining, Ray.

@grassroot011 Жыл бұрын

Me too, but being on the screen and not there, that's easier to see. haa

@patrickbrown3317 Жыл бұрын

Me to 😂

@banburymobilemechanic Жыл бұрын

Just use a high grade threaded bar, then use lock nuts on each end same as a bolt and you can cut it to any length you need. Love the vids Ray

@garyosborne8906 Жыл бұрын

I concur with this approach. I was going to write the same thing but took the time to read some other response to avoid redundancy.

@stayfortea5235 Жыл бұрын

Over time the threads will crush and add some play in the bushing and subframe hole. though, I'm not sure if it will be enough to matter.

@banburymobilemechanic Жыл бұрын

@@stayfortea5235 If you were using soft thread, I would agree. Hardened Stainless Steel Tread wouldn't crush, and by the time it did most of the car would have rotted away anyway.

@dubbledown Жыл бұрын

might feel like "failure" for you in the moment, but think of all of us watching who learned a valuable lesson on what to try to prevent in our own garages where we don't even have the resources you do available to us. Watching for the problem-solving process is worth much more than the entertainment value in general.

@MegaChevy25 Жыл бұрын

you know the right way to fix it would be to replace the subframe. if u try to use a longer bolt or repair the threads and the repair fails ur responsible and if it fails and causes an accident ur responsible for that as well. don't risk it and do it the right way.

@wheelmonkey00 Жыл бұрын

Make a bush tap and order a replacement bolt - hacksaw a slot in the end of the bolt, it gives an edge to cut the thread and space for the material to clear

@bill360 Жыл бұрын

Sounds like a good tip😂

@kurtisskoog5874 Жыл бұрын

Thinking of this in a liability standpoint, I believe your only option is replacing the subframe and buying a factory bolt. If any ‘bush fix’ were to fail, the customer would most likely sue you.

@willissmith1117 Жыл бұрын

Thanks Ray for showing us we are not alone in screwing up.

@citizenfirst5826 5 ай бұрын

Just remember " the man who makes no mistakes does nothing". All of now your pain that work. Keep up the good work and honesty.

@peterlennon1139 Жыл бұрын

As long as we learn from our mistakes they are simply part of the journey 👍

@handbananaistherapist642 Жыл бұрын

Just loop a coat hanger thru it many times. Golden !

@royquesada5295 3 ай бұрын

Glad I'm not the only one that makes these kind of mistakes, especially when I tell myself...'self, make sure you do this also😅😅

@IIGrayfoxII Жыл бұрын

I was laughing when you were measuring the bolt up. I knew what was going to happen. You accounted for the subframe and added 1" inch for clearance when Subframe + Control arm + 1" I have done similar, not with cars but carpark devices. When I fail to account for washer thicknesses and other things I end up short.

@mikecarpenter2377 Жыл бұрын

I could not see what you were dealing with in the way of left over damaged threads. But one way to make a temporary tap is to cut a slot through the threads of a sacrificial bolt with the same thread size. This gives you a cutting edge for one or two thread cleaning attempts. The harder the bolt the better. Hope this helps, and don't forget to have a great day!

@ricgunn1439 Жыл бұрын

I agree. And try to get all the filings out of the hole first.

@dubbledown Жыл бұрын

cutting the slot makes it expand with a pin wedged into the front? if so, then yeah a sacrificial bolt (or two or three) to clean out and repair what you can of the threads sounds like a great idea. it's a shame the gas tank is right there or I'd suggest packing the other end with JB weld to fill space and create "some" additional thread strength and going in from the end with relatively "known good" threads but you'd risk bungling them up if you came from the other end and didn't match up right. Any pitfalls with that approach?

@blackenigma1054 Жыл бұрын

That’s how we learn ray, im sure you’ll find the bolt so many bolt and nut companies out here and online……best of luck to you mate!👍🏿

@aliasfred Жыл бұрын

Ray should visit a local body shop, I wish shipping didn't cost a bunch, I was a bodyman for 46 years, I scrapped 7 - 5 gallon pails of every imaginable nut, bolt, screws of all grades from 1964 through 2007 +. How about full size pick 'em up truck bed bolts?

@gregfrance1894 16 күн бұрын

I made a much bigger mistake. I used to be an aircraft welder in the Air Force in Okinawa, Japannand weld repaired so many combustion cans that I went off memory. After welding a crack, I decided to verify the material and got it wrong. So I had to cut out the weld and rhe heat affected zone, take a junk can of the same type and cut a matching piece out to weld that in. Jet shop came to pick it up and noticed the patch. Said it just had a crack. I told them what I did and they never let me forget that. Never made that mistake again. Always verify BEFORE you do the weld. Note, the metals are compatible and the repair would have held. But I still decided to do it correctly.

@rabk5702 Жыл бұрын

I was shouting at the tv that you had forgot about the thickness of the bush with that bolt lol 😁😁👍👍

@timjohnun4297 Жыл бұрын

This was a lesson learnt I think - going to a great effort trying to save the customer some money ends up costing you money, more often than not. Unfortunate to have to replace the subframe but that's the only real proper repair, and it sounds harsh but it's the customer's problem, not yours. I'd be worried about the public liability aspect, should the replacement bolt fail. As for boats, if you can't afford to buy a new one then you sure as hell can't afford to maintain an old one - BOAT stands for Bankruptcy On A Trailer ;)

@hiscifi2986 Жыл бұрын

I think you should have used the metric scale on the callipers. The first bolt was obviously 16mm and your replacement was 12 mm. If you ever get around to drilling the hole out to 16mm, make sure you have up to date medical insurance, for broken limbs.

@mod_incllc3235 Жыл бұрын

YES!

@mitchweber7868 Жыл бұрын

I'm not sure if ray is trolling yt with this channel, but he does some questionable things..... I started watching a month ago, and I'm still confused???

@mpikas Жыл бұрын

- A timesert or even a helicoil will result in stronger threads than the stock ones if done right. The problem is that that pivot is designed wrong and really should be in double sheer, but to do this repair "right" (as strong as the original) with a threaded insert you'd have to find a deeper one or use 2 or 3 helicoils. - You're replacing what looks like a 14mm probably grade 12.8 metric oversized shoulder bolt with a 1/2" (roughly 12mm) grade 8 bolt. Metric grades don't translate 1:1 with SAE, but you are replacing it with significantly weaker hardware in a situation where the pivot is not correctly designed and the hardware has already failed once. If you're OK with that then fastenall and others will have 1/2" grade 8 allthread (they sell them to hang cable management systems in network installations) so you could have basically any length you need. The right way to do this would be to turn a sleeve with the same OD as the shoulder on the original bolt to fit over the allthread and take up the slop in the bushing sleave. If you brought it to me I'd probably turn the sleeve down from a 1/2" coupling nut (a big long nut) so that it threaded onto the allthread and I'd red Loctite it in place, so you'd have nut, washer, sleeve, washer nut on the all thread basically making a long bolt with the right shoulder size. I don't know how much of this futzing around you can do before it adds up to the cost of the subframe... but if it was me I'd do the insert, honestly, if it was my car I'd machine my own threaded insert and TIG weld it in the hole or possibly completely cut the (originally) threaded tube in the subframe out and machine a new one basically making a big threaded insert, and again weld it in the subframe... and then I'd sell the car for having a stupid design. Good luck

@geoffg659 Жыл бұрын

i"m sad you did that, but i am glad that i'm not the only one who does! keep the honest videos coming Ray!

@hrep14 Жыл бұрын

Wasn’t a failure, you diagnosed the issue pretty quickly. Stripped threads are always a bummer to deal with at the best of times.

@howardgunn754 Жыл бұрын

I liked this, not because of your error (which we have all done at some point) but because you showed that we are all human, we all make errors and misjudge something or forget about something. It is usually to our own cost too. At least this way, you should earn enough to cover your costs via the video revenue (hopefully) i have no idea how much a video can earn via KZfaq. Love the Videos and really glad to hear in your voice your upbeat attitude and happiness. When you listen to old videos verses current videos you can now, hear the difference. You both deserve every success.

@scannerlanier471 Жыл бұрын

Everyone does an epic fail now and then. 25 years ago, I was starting to leave. Got distracted and left tool kit behind car, and put car in reverse, driving over my tools. Real smart.

@MadsWorld34 Жыл бұрын

well i think your a TRUE mechanic you figure things out. your not just a parts replacer like 90% of the people that call themselves a mechanic.

@jimjaques4030 Жыл бұрын

Hi Ray. Always an option... if you get a tap the size of the initial thread you should be able to run it in from the other side. It will be much shorter than the bolt. Then get a bolt with the same thread that is the length of the ones you bought. You will have enough threads and the correct diameter bolt. Putsome lick tight on it just in case ; )

@jimjaques4030 Жыл бұрын

Lock tight😂

@Nunya_Business_ Жыл бұрын

@@jimjaques4030 Loctite, actually. ;)

@grendel1960a Жыл бұрын

from the look of it the thread pitch on the original bolt was finer than the one you bought too (not an issue really as you were bypassing the threads, but may have become an issue if you were going to try cleaning the hole out by tapping it. it also appears that the OEM bolts were only designed to go half way into the thread, thus hanging on a smaller amount of thread..

@simoncuthbert4519 Жыл бұрын

Ray, we’ve all done it, your are human sir. You are trying to find a simple and cheap solution for your customer. I understand the frustration… everyone has made that 4th trip to the hardware store because we forgot something else. Don’t beat yourself up about it

@mrjoeyman Жыл бұрын

"I can't believe that I didn't think the way I thought I should have been thinking!" Story of my life, lol. And here I thought it was just me!

@ccmoos Жыл бұрын

One thing: when you want to freshen up threads, you can cut two grooves in the tip of the new bolt, making it cut like a tap. This is very helpfull if you don't have the correct tap laying around.

@mod_incllc3235 Жыл бұрын

this!

@mike.47 Жыл бұрын

I hope Ray’s customers appreciate the lengths he goes through in order to save them money.

@stephenhookings1985 Жыл бұрын

Alas not quite long enough in this case. Almost (Family Guy)

@jacky445 Жыл бұрын

Welding the hole in till depth of the threads, drill it out again and rethreading it would be the best possible way how to save this subframe. It might work, at least that's how I would attempt to fix it.

@roccozarcone4393 9 ай бұрын

Don’t be too hard on yourself. You’re a great mechanic.😊

@maksimstarik6194 Жыл бұрын

Hi Ray . I think you can remove gas tank and weld nut on front . That would more safe . It would be less labor then removing subframe. When suspension travel under load in normal operation nut can possibly move up and down or side to side still .

@squirrelcovers6340 Жыл бұрын

THAN* removing the frame.

@bettyro1959 Жыл бұрын

Refreshing to hear someone who will admit their mistakes instead of trying to blame everything else. And if you learned from it, it wasn't a total loss. Keep up the great vids!

@stevenkozy5814 Жыл бұрын

I enjoy your authenticity , Keep up the amazing Videos 👍🙏

@redelcamino Жыл бұрын

I enjoy seeing you are also as human as I am. Mistakes happen. This is how we learn.

@stevehamilton9418 Жыл бұрын

It’s not a failure, it’s part of the learning curve…even a mistake has value, you just remembered something! Even from this video, someone will learn something. Shine on and keep moving forward, you’re doing a great job Ray 👍

@SlingBlade1969 Жыл бұрын

I'm probably late to the party but what about making that bolt into a stud that gets welded into the sub-frame? should still be serviceable if the outer leg is removed first and pivots on the stud. Great effort Ray. Never give up. Never surrender.

@armchairtin-kicker503 Жыл бұрын

I was thinking the other way around: given the threads are at the far-end, my first instinct was to weld that end shut and simply re-tap it. Of course something would have to be placed in the near-end that would enable the weld to pool. It would probably be best to remove the subcomponent first to effect such a repair. Of course, cutting-off the nut-like structure at the far-end and then welding on a replacement would be another approach.

@jdlane5136 Жыл бұрын

I worked on cars for 20 years. I lost count on how many wasted trips for the wrong part I have been on. Your videos are good anyway it goes, thanks for doing them.

@leegunter5223 Жыл бұрын

Again kudos for not cursing up a storm and throwing stuff. Oh that's what I do! I still think you can recharge the threads with a tap.

@laan1961 Жыл бұрын

I watched the video and wanted to shout out to you: "you are forgetting the control arm". Glad to see that sort of thing doesn't only happen to me. Keep up the great work, love to see your videos. Stay save and keep defying gravity.

@ibanezs6724 Жыл бұрын

I recently rewatched one of your videos from about a year ago. Even with the frustration you suffered from in todays video, you sound way happier now than you did then.

@tomhendricksen1805 Жыл бұрын

Every lesson has a price. Some you never know the price, and others are obvious. You paid for this lesson and will likely never forget it. It is not a failure, but a learning experience.