What's the better swap, VR6 or 1.8T? Pro's and Cons

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What's the better swap in your MK1, MK2, or MK3, the VR6 or 1.8T? We have plenty of experience with both and discuss some of the pros and cons, and misconceptions of each. So what do you prefer the VR6 swap or 1.8T Swap?
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@COMotorsports 2 жыл бұрын

Keep in mind, we're referring to these engines in the lighter MK1, MK2, and MK3 platforms. For example a 1.8t feels completely different in the lighter platforms compared to the MK4's and A4's they typically came in.

@BoostedVr5 2 жыл бұрын

Here in Europe we have the Vr5 20valve, also seeing it here in mk2,s mk3,s 😏🔥

@anonlincracing2484 2 жыл бұрын

Ay ay less of the fat jokes my mk4 is just a body over 1 tonne

@COMotorsports 2 жыл бұрын

@@anonlincracing2484 over 1.5 Tons you mean.

@Cafaldoscannabis 2 жыл бұрын

The answer is 2.5

@BoostedVr5 2 жыл бұрын

@@DGT73 nah im going to turbo it 😂😂😂

@Duutse1 2 жыл бұрын

I've owned many of both and I'd say VR6 is for enjoying the sound and characteristics of a beautiful example of a N/A engine and 1.8t is for performance per buck while sounding... well, a four cylinder. Of course turboing a VR6 is the god level choice if you want to put some money into it. Both are great engines and deserve a place in the hall of fame!

@user-fx5cd4px3k Жыл бұрын

handling difference too as they sit differently in relation to the axles.

@rolandocrisostomo2003 Жыл бұрын

Just the sound from the vr6 makes it a winner in my book.

@kevinmarshall549 2 жыл бұрын

I’m building a 1.8t polo 6n2 . I had a mk3 Vr and lived it over never had a better car since, I toyed with the idea of putting a vr in the polo but like you said the weight like you said put me off . So 1.8t it was then so in that case it had to be the best 1.8t engine . I then found a BAM (225 bro) 1.8t engine for £350 , get a mapped ecu to 265 . I’m now currently doing internal’s in the engine and going for a ko4 turbo off the train. I wanted to get 300bhp but now it’s looking more in the 380-400 Bhp, but with that being said I’m still investigating and getting more research and videos like this are a massive help thank you so much . 👊🏾

@DBMXJ 2 жыл бұрын

20vt 225 swap in my mk2 caddy and I love it. power is nice after a map, fmic and downpipe, but I'm with you on the sound. can't beat the sound of a vr6

@babuMotko 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for this. Am currently doing my mk4 swap(from 1.8t agu to 3.2) This answers all the questions I had, especially on the power delivery. Thank you

@COMotorsports 2 жыл бұрын

Interesting, glad it helped.

@m0i0k0eAnthony 2 жыл бұрын

Team 1.8t... not that I don't love a 12v VR (had many in the past). Intercooler and charge piping was probably the biggest PITA when it came to my mk3.5 cabrio swap. Everything else was relatively simple. I just wish BFI still made the mk3 1.8t intercooler. Given the mk3.5 specific wiring as well as the price and availability of 12v VR, the 1.8t/02j and its simple tunability was the clear choice for me. Plus, based on the model year of my cabrio (2002) there were also registration and insurance hurdles in putting an older motor into the vehicle. I was faced with either a 24v or a 1.8t.

@acefighterpilot 2 жыл бұрын

I put a AAA VR6 in my '01 Cabrio. The wiring took me about two weeks (it was my first swap), which was complicated by the different connector styles between the car and the engine. The car also passed an OBD2 emissions test using the 1996 AAA ECU. The donor car cost $600, which also provided the transmission, Plus suspension, and a host of various Mk3 spares. Given my car previously had an automatic transmission, I didn't notice an increased nose heavy tendency after the swap. I think its handling is limited by its body moreso than anything else. There is a local curved highway offramp that I can only carve at about 55mph in my Cabrio, but my Mk7 will take it at 70mph easily. It's worth it for the drop top wookie noises though, and I like the sensation of drive by cable.

@kevinforman251 2 жыл бұрын

WOW!!! I own a 1.8T in a Passat and I’ve stage2 tune and I love it! I fool people all the time with my call in how fast it is all the time! Keep up the good work guys love your video’s!

@8gti9 2 жыл бұрын

Yes. I'm with team VR6. My ideal vr6 swap would be in a MK2 jetta gli (big bumpers) with power windows and ecode aeros.

@dexterchurnside7036 2 жыл бұрын

doing one rn

@juddfyah 2 жыл бұрын

You just describe my MK2 (white) GLI

@hellgamerclan 2 жыл бұрын

And you described my white GLI I just have small bumpers lol

@jacobgodfrey6681 2 жыл бұрын

Lmao you literally described my black 91 gli except im putting crank windows in it and if you look on my profile picture you can see it

@dantesinfernopurgatory7826 2 жыл бұрын

If you're converting the drivetrain with 4-motion, the VR6 makes sense. Otherwise the engine is too nose-heavy for the lighter MK1, MK2 and MK3 platforms, which affects handling. If you don't have all-wheel drive, go with the 1.8T.

@anonlincracing2484 2 жыл бұрын

I'm 1.8t from England 🇬🇧 nice to see this comparison across the pond love that these engines are being discussed under non bias examples both are brilliant in their own fashion

@COMotorsports 2 жыл бұрын

Agreed 100%

@OliG2 2 жыл бұрын

VR6 supercharged 👌🏻 All the advantages of the VR6 but magnified many times 😁

@dubCanuck1 2 жыл бұрын

My car flipped like 4 times this year. So I installed a kickstand on my MK2 to keep that from happening. Team VR6 FWIW

@COMotorsports 2 жыл бұрын

Impressive, they usually don't flip as much as the MK1s.

@romeomccatty8480 Жыл бұрын

What's a kickstand may I ask

@tristiangordon4838 2 жыл бұрын

I'm with you guys, basically if i was doing a track car it would be a 1.8t all day. But in my case being a street car my mk1 cabby is going 3.2 vr

@the_producer 2 жыл бұрын

hard to beat the sound of a 12v. For a long time, a suitcase removed 12v corrado was the best sounding car I'd ever owned (until it was dethroned by a Mk4 R32)

@tyronedean1812 2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely loved this… was brilliant. I’ve got a 1.8T in my MK2 at the moment and loved it. But have brought a 3.2v6 to turbo DSG and 4 motion!

@LithiuM230 2 жыл бұрын

Ryan just finished the 12V VR6 swap in my car. I’m really loving it! I chose that engine as I wanted more of an “era correct” swap.

@davidristic3800 2 жыл бұрын

Is Ryan ok? He has disappeared...

@nickhorsman1497 2 жыл бұрын

1.8t for me Thats actually my 1.8t motor in the background! Big turbo build in the making

@dujuanjohnson5025 2 жыл бұрын

are you stroking it or leaving it 1.8

@Clodrock 2 жыл бұрын

Was shopping mk1 Audi TTs and I ended up getting a fairly clean and completely stock '05 3.2 Quattro DSG as my weekend car. I've always loved the sound and instant power of the Corrado SLC VR6 but those are hard to find in nice stock condition at a reasonable price. So to me this is the next best thing. I may do an ECU tune if it's CARB compliant and perhaps upgrade to a Borla exhaust. Love that motor!

@MrToad85 2 жыл бұрын

16v ABF swap is my plan so far, good base for more power later on as well...

@aidanhamilton9859 2 жыл бұрын

I like vr6s but i absolutely hate working on them. I dont mind working on the 1.8t I own an 02 turbo s 1.8t bug. Its got a downpipe and a GIAC stage 2 flash. Its fun to drive, definitely not fast but its reliable and fun

@Nobody-U-Want-2-Know 2 жыл бұрын

12v VR6 has the best growl, hands down.

@COMotorsports 2 жыл бұрын

I'm with you, but go check out the video of the 2.5T Corrado on our channel. It's the best of both worlds. :)

@buddysshop1860 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah cause the metal intake manifold makes way more intake sound 💕 I had a 12v mk3 and added the abd metal intake pipe and a piece of 3" metal pipe in front of the MAF, it was deafening at WOT 😆

@MrTheHillfolk 2 жыл бұрын

I dig the vr6 sound , but I'm sure the 1.8t is cheaper to get a fair amount of power from. But if you want all the horsepowers(damn the cost) I'd think a vr6t is better. Best is still that 16vT after all these years, that's kinda mind blowing.

@PLr1c3r 2 жыл бұрын

I'd say the 1.8/2.0t kits are the best bang for the buck so for a more budget friendly build go with the 4 banger, for performance peak the 2.5t is pretty much the king and for a badass cruiser you want that NA VR5/6 and turbo it if you want to make a statement. For sound alone its NA VR then 2.5t then 4 banger.

@vdubfredvr6969 2 жыл бұрын

Maybe a video on 1.8t intercooler plumbing ideas and how to on those swap platforms would be sweet. Or maybe a business opportunity for someone to make some kits?

@thomasfx3190 5 ай бұрын

I’ve owned Mark II, III & IV cars and my GTI was a VR6 that I bought new (the display) out of the showroom. It was fast, but not quick if you take my meaning. But the car I want to do is just going to be for cruising around. I want to do a VR6 swap into a beetle, and I’m just not interested in plumbing a 2.0 car for a 1.8t intercooler and all the extra stuff that’s associated with it. Great video!

@danoontjeh123 2 жыл бұрын

Hoping to do a B5 A4 quattro 1.8t build this year, just waiting for the right car to show up somewhere. So not really a swap, but still a 1.8t

@coltonsordi8668 Жыл бұрын

I currently own a MK4 24v VR it is stock and dailyed a 2.6 1.8t for a while and i personally can say the 1.8t puts some nice power out being stock as well but i would take the VR all day the sound it just amazing and it’s so smooth and can definitely be worked up crazy if the money is there.

@ridiculousness7477 Жыл бұрын

Best VW content Chanel! I’d love to see some B5 A4 content

@COMotorsports Жыл бұрын

Appreciate the comments. ❤️

@jedediahsmart569 2 жыл бұрын

Just finished 12v VR swapping my 89’ Cabby. It’s all about the sound for this little cruiser.

@COMotorsports 2 жыл бұрын

Definitely cool in that chassis as the bark doesn't match the bite.

@garygarcia1571 2 жыл бұрын

We are just finishing up a 12 valve 3.2 l VR6 and it is awesome

@Greenerdan 2 жыл бұрын

Someday I'll get to build my MK2 Jetta with a VR6, I'll be coming to see you guys when I do! Love the sound of those engines, the 3.2L especially!

@COMotorsports 2 жыл бұрын

Best of luck with your build. 👍

@JerZeyFiveOh 2 жыл бұрын

I have driven my B5 01 1.8T A4 for over 10 years. One of the main reasons why I kept it was because the car was versatile. The car handles great, you can upgrade the power, and lastly, you can drive it all year around through any weather.

@b5Bart 2 жыл бұрын

Still driving my 99 avant 1.8 in manual and volcanooo black 🤟🤟🤟

@JerZeyFiveOh 2 жыл бұрын

@@b5Bart I got 236k on the original long block! 60-70k on the refreshed transmission lol. My coworker calls me crazy

@jrex3575 Жыл бұрын

01 1.8t A4 QM in Briiliant Black with 270k miles strong! 150psi compression in all 4 cyl... burns about a half quart Liquimoly between 5k oil change servicing.. APR Stg 1, Redtop coilpacks, Stoptech 332mm bbk, 18"Oz Ultras/Michelin PS2s, 034 rear sway bar..B5 S4 panda seats.Depo Xenon headlights. my DD that Ill never get rid of! I'm sure I'll get to 300k.

@NugShrub Жыл бұрын

As an A4 guy I was looking into the vr6 for more low torque because they are heavy cars but I may just stick with the 1.8t and finally go with a BT and a 2.0 crank. I've chewed through all the K04s and hybrid turbos and they just can't hang but hopefully a quality BT setup will satisfy my cravings. Otherwise I'm getting a 135i and starting all over with that.

@HOTEG6 2 жыл бұрын

I have a mk3 golf vr6 Highline sounds amazing I also have mk1 golf gti 1.8t 20v bam I like both I think for the mk1 golf 1.8t is probably The most popular swap here in UK

@jasonhamilton547 2 жыл бұрын

Great channel,great content. Why not a 5 cylinder for consideration?

@FALCORTON 2 жыл бұрын

I only owned a 1.8t but ive drove plenty of VR6 from friends... As an ownership standpoint, 1.8t throws more headaches and odd ball issues, but with available tuning and aftermarket my 1.8t outshines all my friends as far as power and fun. But that damn wookie is cool.

@COMotorsports 2 жыл бұрын

Valid points

@greenghost9250 2 жыл бұрын

I currently have a stage 2 1.8t and I had a stage 2 12v vr6. If you want cheap reliable power 1.8t is the way to go. If you have deep pockets then vr6 is the way to go because you can get alot more power out of a vr6 but it will cost you a hell of alot more

@devinpatel177 Жыл бұрын

How much we talking I have a 1.8 2016 vw sport and I want to maybe build it but I like the sound of a vr6

@whorutothink 2 жыл бұрын

For drag racing, having that weight aft of the front axle helps to pull the front wheels down and keep the tires digging into the ground (pretty sure you were talking about this later on in the video). Even with an open differential, my MK3 VR6 could pull off some pretty exceptional launches on street tires because of this. I would absolutely opt for a VR6 turbo if I were building the car for drag racing. For any kind of circuit racing, I'd opt for the 1.8T for the weight balance of the car. As much as I loved my NA VR6 in my MK3, it was very noticeable when I pushed it deep into the corners as the car would understeer like a pig. I had a MK3 8v before the MK3 12v and it was remarkable how much faster I could go into and pull out of corners in that car.

@COMotorsports 2 жыл бұрын

I agree with you on all accounts really. 👍

@88tmilko 2 жыл бұрын

VR6 🔥🔥🔥

@madhatter8278 2 жыл бұрын

U only have to smash the frame rail in if your using all stock mounts but there are swap mount kits for example what I just ordered from fabless manufacturing in Ontario Canada... for my 24v 2.8 into mk2 bolt in fixes the mounting angle and position...

@AcidicLicks 2 жыл бұрын

My dad has a 80 rabbit with a 98 vr6 swapped into it and it’s a beast, but I have a 04 gti vr6 and it’s been great to me

@chrisfarr5909 2 жыл бұрын

Great video!

@jasonp621 10 ай бұрын

I have a mk1 cabriolet with a 12 valve vr6 swap. Pauter rods wiseco pistons bored to a 3.0L low comp pistons with an s366. Love it.

@shellyveira7234 2 жыл бұрын

I’m having lots of fun with my 1.8t mk2! It doesn’t sound as awesome as a vr but it works good! 🖤

@COMotorsports 2 жыл бұрын

I have no doubt👍

@CHILLSEEKERSPATRICKDOWD 3 ай бұрын

This video was great. Basically both engines are the best. I’d have to to say a caddy vr6 street car would be a great ripper. Had a mk4 vr6 for a while and would love that engine in a lightweight mk1

@grafikmekaniker 8 ай бұрын

Late to the party, but I went through this exact debate with my MK4 wagon. I ended up going with a 3.2 VR (with future plan of turbo). If it were a Golf, I'd have stuck with the 1.8t. In my head, the biggest MK4 begs for wookie noises. Also kind of balances out with the extra weight in back, but we will see..... Your vids are always great to watch. Informative and inspiring. Thank you for the content.

@COMotorsports 8 ай бұрын

appreciate the comments, thanks for following along.

@paulovalente738 Жыл бұрын

Just started the video and I’ll just say vr every day all day just can’t beat the sound

@stoverthetech 2 жыл бұрын

It is hard to beat a cheap 12v turbo build. Currently running a 100% stock VR besides valvetrain and arp headstuds with a 6870 turbo in my MK2 with Haldex conversion 🤘

@Mr_OoOsH 2 жыл бұрын

I ran 562hp on a stock BDB VR6 it was swept apart from the amount of 02Q’s I destroyed 🤣

@stoverthetech 2 жыл бұрын

@@Mr_OoOsH so far my o2m r32 box is surviving but the mk2 is much lighter than a full weight mk4/5 so it may have something to do with it

@Mr_OoOsH 2 жыл бұрын

@@stoverthetech yeh it’s 100% the weight I’m 1534kg that was before the DQ500 swap

@carlosmartinez-kl1ho 2 жыл бұрын

Where do u get your parts from I got a 12v vr buy can't really find places that sell too many parts

@Mr_OoOsH 2 жыл бұрын

@@carlosmartinez-kl1ho depends where you are but bespoke partz ltd in the uk ship worldwide and can help you out

@Deutscheautoparts 2 жыл бұрын

VRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

@COMotorsports 2 жыл бұрын

Have an open mind. lol

@lilchristian77360 2 жыл бұрын

Definitely great video 😊... have to do a video on the 07k 2.5 and the 2.0tsi and or FSI

@COMotorsports 2 жыл бұрын

Not a bad idea.

@lilchristian77360 2 жыл бұрын

@@COMotorsports you guys are great! I have 2013 mk6 2.5 5spd... With a tune..but just want to let the people know the capabilities..and why there not doing more with the 07k✊💯

@COMotorsports 2 жыл бұрын

@@lilchristian77360 I'm doing a 2.5 (turbo) swap in my AWD Swapped MK6 GTI. You will see content over winter as we dig into it.

@lilchristian77360 2 жыл бұрын

@@COMotorsports awesome 😎 great 💯✊... definitely going to stay tune and looking forward to seeing content

@MrProject55 2 жыл бұрын

Team 16vt....worked on them all and the VR or 07k will be in the next project. can't deny the call of the wookies. its about SPG (smiles per gallon) not MPG and I get to boost a friends 24v next season!

@COMotorsports 2 жыл бұрын

07k fo sho

@jdportwerks6795 2 жыл бұрын

Not one of the motors on discussion but me personally like 16VG60 and I’ve had vr6 & 1.8T Mk1 it out performs all these motors on a stock platform. And with bolt ons I believe it still out performs all keeping in mind that the 1.8T keeps its k03 / k04 Dave you should do a challenge on this😁 I’d be in with the oldest motor 16VG60 as far as the sound from a VR love it! But I prefer the whistle/wine from a blower on a engine. Guess I’m just old🤣 #allgreatmotors #lovethischannel

@COMotorsports 2 жыл бұрын

Appreciate the love as always.

@finlay230 8 ай бұрын

great vid, great channel !!!

@COMotorsports 8 ай бұрын

Appreciate it.

@scallyVWagen 2 жыл бұрын

I love my 12v and 24v VR6. I'm still searching for the AWP 1.8T for a project .

@COMotorsports 2 жыл бұрын

Totally different animal for sure, but fun in the right chassis.

@sal1755 2 жыл бұрын

Love the videos, but I might be bias I would have to go for the g60 engine, I’ve got one in my type 19 mk2 golf, at 220hp is not not much but the supercharger makes a beautiful sound threw all the revs and I’m addicted to it.

@COMotorsports 2 жыл бұрын

Much appreciated, cool setup.

@neildantino4709 2 жыл бұрын

Get one of each, enjoy best of both!

@alexadames9390 2 жыл бұрын

Personally I went 20v for my mk1 rabbit , just because I'll be auto cross racing and weight distribution Is a must. Thanks guys for this awesome comparison video.

@COMotorsports 2 жыл бұрын

Glad you like, 20v MK1's are definitely fun.

@daewoo_5366 Жыл бұрын

Would you be interested in selling your Rabbit?

@pierre-olivierbenoit8644 2 жыл бұрын

Swap a 12V VR6 in mk3 cabby love the car for cruise ride, car feels great👌🏼

@COMotorsports 2 жыл бұрын

definitely a good cruiser

@dropagearnz 2 жыл бұрын

Same here

@vdubmhana8858 2 жыл бұрын

I’ve owned both, for sure. 1.8t are great solid motor.

@COMotorsports 2 жыл бұрын

We agree, it's no slouch.

@piasprojects 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent video and it is a common argument. The solution have one of each at least lol. I love both engines and wouldn’t be upset with either option in my MK1-3!

@COMotorsports 2 жыл бұрын

We agree. 👍

@scottrevell3326 2 жыл бұрын

I agree so that's what i did. Auq 1.8t Arl 1.9d and of course the 3.2 vr6. Don't tell the other 2 but the diesel is the best of both worlds apart from that sound 🤘

@COMotorsports 2 жыл бұрын

@@scottrevell3326 You need to go to the doctor.

@scottrevell3326 2 жыл бұрын

@@COMotorsports 🤣👍 seriously though Darkside Developments can work wonders with the old tractors! I'm all stock so don't know about tuning but there's not much in it from factory

@gritandgears9159 2 жыл бұрын

I totally agree that is why I an swapping a 1.8t in a mk2 GTI right now!!

@COMotorsports 2 жыл бұрын

Very nice, good luck with the swap.

@scottrevell3326 2 жыл бұрын

I've got an Auq 1.8t an Arl 1.9 diesel and the 3.2 vr6 all sat in their respective original mk4.s. All are stock bar an exhaust on the 32 and to be honest there's not that much in it but that sound IS the difference! 🤘

@COMotorsports 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah VR sound wins over a lot of engines, not just the rest of the VW fleet.

@barker271980 Жыл бұрын

I’m doing a swap now , currently have 2000 jetta awd 1.8t and got a donor engine and ecu from a 2002 jetta awp . My concern is pairing the cluster and remapping the ecu to work with my chassis . Any input ? Easy ? First time

@W1llShoots 2 жыл бұрын

Thankyou for adding that last bit about the 24 valve vr6 im glad to see it came out on top. i just purchased a 2009 3.2 a3 hoping to boost it, wondering if I should go turbo or supercharger.

@COMotorsports 2 жыл бұрын

I would not waste my time or money doing a supercharger. You WILL want more and the SC will have you starting all over again because you can only get so much out of it. A simple turbo setup will make more than a decent SC setup.

@W1llShoots 2 жыл бұрын

@@COMotorsports Thankyou, I appreciate the reply!

@jackcampbell5443 Жыл бұрын

Nothing like the n/a 12v vr6. If u keep the timing chains & guides up to date its bullet proof. Been a vdub guy since 1994 I'm 42 80s baby had mk1 mk2 mk3 mk4 mk5. Long live vr6

@COMotorsports Жыл бұрын

You need to give a modified MK7 R a chance.

@grantlingley1385 3 ай бұрын

Completely separate vehicle and functional requirement but I am considering an Atlas for towing an enclosed trailer and dirt bikes….of course two engines….VR6 or 2.0 litre Turbo….this discussion has me wondering now….I assumed VR6 would be the better motor and possibly more resilient over time / miles. Completely separate discussion and not likely one for this forum but a decision for me! Always appreciate your videos guys!

@COMotorsports 3 ай бұрын

The Atlas only has a 5000lb towing capacity so you're not towing to much with it if that's your goal.

@ArshadChengadu 10 ай бұрын

Just the video I needed

@jacobgodfrey6681 2 жыл бұрын

I got to go with team VR6 because me and my dad are going to swap a 2.8 vr6 that we got out of a B3 passat into my mk2 jetta gli and the VR6 is the best sounding engine ever created and nothing can change my mind about that lol

@davidkirsch94 2 жыл бұрын

I swapped a 1.8t in my daily Corrado 13 years ago. Did a 93 tune shortly after the install. I bought a 94 VR6 Corrado 4 years ago and absolutely love driving that car but definitely won't beat my daily Corrado, at least not until the turbo goes in. I would totally swap in a 1.8t again, best thing I did to that car and it rips. My wife's old 12v VR6 GTI could keep up a little better but still couldn't take the 1.8t.

@COMotorsports 2 жыл бұрын

yep, unless you drive both, it's just all talk.

@caveone-365 2 жыл бұрын

I’ve built both 1.8t, all motor VR’s and boosted VR’s in various displacements and they each have their pros and cons. The best part about both is that you can obtain a complete roller with everything you need to at least get the basics of the swap started to whichever chassis you’ve chosen to use. The 1.8t swap is great if you want cheap and simple power that is basically ‘ready to go’ when bolted in. There is ZERO guesswork and you can basically install it all as a complete running unit and upgrade your compressor, tuning, and all the supporting mods whenever you want. If you don’t mind doing some fab work and trying different parts out along the way a boosted VR is a great choice as well. I mean the sound is phenomenal which everyone can probably agree with, not to mention the torque which has its own pros and cons alone because of the trans and axles. If you prefer a great all-motor swap the 12v AAA VR is the cats ass IMO. I built a ‘91 GLI with a built all-motor AAA with an O2A/ hydro to cable conversion, TDI 5th gear and a Quaife and I LOVED that car. It was rock solid reliable, and you could do around 80mph and be around 2,500rpm and get around 30mpg. Such a great highway cruiser. I threw some Cat cams, H.D. Autotech springs, titanium retainers, little bit of headwork (port match, blending, etc... as far as the 1.8T cars, the possibilities are endless. A decent setup is a KO3 sport, full 3” turbo back, decent sized core, nice tune, proper fueling mods- pump, injectors, short runner intake mani, etc and so forth.... the possibilities go on and on... this video is certainly helpful in choosing what folks are looking for in a build. A lot of really great info is shared here, and it’s a great service to us enthusiasts that love these cars. This channel rocks for sure!! Thanks for sharing this fellas!!😉👍🏻

@COMotorsports 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the compliments. Much appreciated.

@Priza25 2 жыл бұрын

I’m running a 91 mk2 golf with aaa 12v it’s so fucking fun. Tucked up for the winter now and keep going looking at it itching to drive it 😂

@AndySomogyi 7 ай бұрын

Hey, do you guys know the engine height of a VR6, from crank centerline to top of intake manifold?

@5280Dubbing 8 ай бұрын

1.8t FTW!!! I have b5 avant with bigturbo build but im already searching for the next build and im debating on vr6 swapping my b5 s4 or going with c4 s4 I5 20vt

@4BillC 2 жыл бұрын

I have an 01 Audi A4 1.8T and my son has a Mk4 Jetta VR6. Both of these vehicles are tuned and while his car sounds so much better than mine, I just blow his doors off. He doesn't really drive the way I do though. He absolutely loves both our cars and so do I!

@COMotorsports 2 жыл бұрын

Now put both of those engineers in 1000lb lighter cars and the 4cyl weak points go away.

@ricardojaramillojr5071 Жыл бұрын

I also have a 2001 golf 1.8 I got and it shaped the timing belt what could I do to gain some power having the head off its all stock with exhaust how much hp can i male stock with a tune

@BoostedVr5 2 жыл бұрын

Stock valves and springs in a VR6 R32 turbocharged 450hp setup or upgrading? 🤔

@joshuam7552 2 жыл бұрын

I'm team VR6... I have a 2008 Audi A3 8P 2.0T TFSI (chain driven) and a 2018 VW Passat GT 3.6L VR6...I love the VR6 and power delivery. Will definitely be looking into a VR6T swap into the Audi in the not so distant future!

@COMotorsports 2 жыл бұрын

Not the same comparison in those chassis though. Side note, just buy a 3.2 A3, then you will have AWD as well in it. 🙂

@joshuam7552 2 жыл бұрын

@@COMotorsports Yes absolutely aware; not the same comparison...and yes, I would get a 3.2

@esaiejoseph2105 10 ай бұрын

Hi I like do kno what rpm is safe on a vr6 r33 engine , I wanna run 8,500 rpm . How to get up there without getting rod knock ??

@UngluckInc 2 жыл бұрын

13 years since swap. 260k miles, 9k rpm 1984 GLi. 27mpg 93 octane 486whp, 23mpg E85 530whp.

@xtvernon15 2 жыл бұрын

What engine

@justinmiller1191 2 жыл бұрын

I have a 1.8t Mk3 Jetta. It's a blast and not super nose heavy.

@draggonhedd 2 жыл бұрын

I'm cool with a mostly stock 12v vr6, i just want a little pep and all the sound. 24v if i'm feeling frisky. Ofc, I want to put it in something RWD.

@aygwm Жыл бұрын

S&P sells a rad/intercooler combo for the 1.8T in the mk1, but not sure if it’s a whole kit

@lithsooo 2 жыл бұрын

Hi, two engine different, for me, vr6 the best song, 1.8T most power easy. Or you have TDI ( injector pump) who have most power easy. Very good video I like it !

@COMotorsports 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, we appreciate it

@isaiahthemaster4105 2 жыл бұрын

I have a 03 golf gt doesn’t start or run pretty sure the 2.0 is blown any suggestions?

@davej.6290 2 жыл бұрын

Always the VR6. The sound - specially the 12V - unbeaten. The 1.8t has it‘s benefits for sure, but it‘s just a 4cylinder with no soul. I have swapped both motors in different mk2, bot were nice.

@COMotorsports 2 жыл бұрын

No sole.. lol If it wasn't for the 1.8t and introduction back to forced induction VW would be living in the stone ages though.

@joshminzler9062 2 жыл бұрын

just seen this and i have a few questions... when you did the "dyno" did you say they had tunes on them... why i ask, is because doesnt different motors have different rated hp by motor codes and how they was built in factory... i ask this because i have a 02 mk4 1.8t with a awp motor code(180hp) stock.... so when you did your testing did you take in factor on which motor you used... i love my 1.8t and i am getting ready to do the deletes as you talked about and a few more upgrades, but i found this video very interesting and infomative... but id like to know your take about the different motor codes, and stock hp ratings compared to a tuned one like i think you said was done with these

@COMotorsports 2 жыл бұрын

When tuned it's irrelevant, they end up at the same spot.

@wangson3241 2 жыл бұрын

I have owned a 1.8t modded to 240whp and a stock r32 (soon to be turbo). vr6 is better in most ways for me. they alluded to it in the video but torque steer on the 1.8t is heavy. Despite the 1.8t being faster accelerating, out of corners vr6 kills it. You simply cant get on power as fast as the steering fights you on power in the 1.8t. vr6 smoothness is not to be overlooked for sure. I know you can do things to counter the torque steer but that adds cost that should be considered as well. Mind you this was my (random internet guy) experience, take it with a grain of salt.

@wangson3241 2 жыл бұрын

after posting i realized it might be the awd of the r32 that ended the torque steer issue and this whole point might be irrelevant.

@LithiuM230 2 жыл бұрын

Which LSD would you recommend?

@wangson3241 2 жыл бұрын

@@LithiuM230 I have wavetrak

@Sable_Slipper23 2 жыл бұрын

I like them both!

@someblokeonthenet 2 жыл бұрын

I have an Audi S3 8L... I built a stroker 20v with a GT3582r making some 620hp (before it bent an IE uprated rod)... now have a 3.2 VR6 in running the same turbo (less power though for reliability)... 500hp at 1bar boost from really low down the rev range and over 400ftlbs flat to 7k limit... and of course the sound of a VR6 :) For me going VR6 was the best thing I have done to my car in the 13 years of owning it

@COMotorsports 2 жыл бұрын

I agree, however it's not the same when you put these engines in smaller chassis. The 1.8t in a 3000lb+ car is very lack luster down low, in fact there's no comparison to the VR in that case. Simply due to what it's trying to lug around. Put those engines in a 1000lbs lighter car and you're experience would be quite different. For example if I had to choose between a 1.8t or VR in a MK4, A3, A4, whatever... it would be VR every time. Put it in a lighter chassis and things become a lot different.

@someblokeonthenet 2 жыл бұрын

@@COMotorsports very true... that said I would happily have a Mk2 Golf with an NA VR6 (12v or 24v) in it... I ran the 3.2 VR NA in the S3 for a couple of years before finally fitting the turbo... its a little lack lustre power wise for such a heavy car :) Loving the channel and your work guys... keep it up

@COMotorsports 2 жыл бұрын

@@someblokeonthenet much appreciated👍

@darren-ju6vl 2 жыл бұрын

Iv got a vr 12v in a polo and love it but I also own another engine in a Ibiza that I feel is a competitor the 2.0 16v gti great as stock but easy to turbo and make good power

@masonpugh3637 Жыл бұрын

I have a Volkswagen cabrio with a 2.0 later I'd rather swap it to AVR6 I've had 3 and a 1/2 years Nothing beats that sound or the power Would that be a good thing to do Or just go with a 1.8 Turbo Or back to the 2.0 but Turbo thanks

@dynamite8507 2 жыл бұрын

Friend have audi a3 vr6 2005 and i have seat leon 1.8t 20v 2003 both amazing love the vid

@COMotorsports 2 жыл бұрын

Much appreciated.

@TheTryHardDad Жыл бұрын

Love my 385hp 1.8T in my MK1 cabby.

@jameshaulenbeek5931 2 жыл бұрын

Love the sound of a VR6. Turbo 4 cylinders are badass though! Bought my Mk 7 1.8 (2016 Golf S) about two and half years ago and brought it to my buddy's house - he's got a 2015 Civic Si. He thinks my car pulls harder - his HP is my torque, my HP is his torque...

@COMotorsports 2 жыл бұрын

Pretty standard when comparing the two. Lots of potential in that engine for sure.

@Erkkremlinklum Жыл бұрын

Talk about sound I love my vr but imo the 18t is one of the best sounding 4cyl

@sebastiancorrea1329 Жыл бұрын

Now 1.8t, vr6, or 5cylinder? Curious to know your thought of 5 cylinder Audi motor

@teamvibezz5225 2 жыл бұрын

What do you guys think is best for a mk4 Jetta wagon

@ivangomez9972 Жыл бұрын

I ve got a 97 eurovan camper with a 12v vr6 with rod knock & a almost shot 4 speed auto trans. It was a total slug before the rod knock. I want to do the manual swap and was wondering about adding the turbo to the vr6, should I completely rebuild the vr? Or can I go with the stock internal? I also have anorthern vr block for parts. Any help is appreciated.

@COMotorsports Жыл бұрын

Well if it's rod knocking then yes rebuild would be wise before putting a turbo on its back.

@eamonnthatcher Жыл бұрын

1.8t all day long ,love what you do 👍

@gianavim1161 2 жыл бұрын

Great video guys! Thanks for all the knowledge spread How posible do you guys see a Nissan 300zx with a VR6 swap ?? It’s something I would love to have

@COMotorsports 2 жыл бұрын

Pretty confident it's been done already actually.

@gianavim1161 2 жыл бұрын

@@COMotorsports Great! I’m saving some money cause I need a 300zx with a VR6 in my life 😅

@COMotorsports 2 жыл бұрын

@@gianavim1161 Get to it. Good combo for sure.

@craizygolf1980 Жыл бұрын

GOT A QUESTION, IS IT POSSIBLE TO STROKE A 3.6L VR6 TO A 4.0L VR6 ?

@jae9843 2 жыл бұрын

I know off-topic, but at a certain power level (450 whp? maybe even less?), a VR6 build is going to start to be noticeably a lot more streetable than a 1.8T build. Even with a stroker 1.8T, getting a GT30 turbo lit is going to take a relative minute, especially as you start going big port head/cams/intake manifold that all shift the power up. At the drag strip, 1/2-mile, etc, where you're in your powerband all the time, none of that matters. But on the street, the "no replacement for displacement" saying is 1000% true imho. As an extreme example, there's a chasm-sized difference in the smoothness and linear power delivery of a 500+ hp 6-liter V8 vs a 500+ hp 2-liter. The latter can become a real chore to drive on most anything but an open highway.

@COMotorsports 2 жыл бұрын

I disagree with the last part of that, let me show you some dyno graphs of the r32 turbo vs a hybrid mk7r. Those things are making boosted VRS look silly right across the board.

@UngluckInc 2 жыл бұрын

completely disagree. 2.0l bottom end, g25-660 you can see 400ft.lb @3700rpm(roughly 18psi)