Cut Riflng on HAAS TL 2

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Kibler's Longrifles

Kibler's Longrifles

3 жыл бұрын

In this video, Jim goes behind the scenes and shows the process he developed for rifling our 44" muzzleloader barrels. We use a HAAS T-L 2 Lathe for the entire process and the CAD / CAM was done on Autodesk Fusion 360.
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@MrCclime
@MrCclime 21 күн бұрын
One day, I'm going to win the lottery and set up a home machine shop. I hope by then, you have patented this and are selling your tech to the public. I've watched many videos of the different rifling processes and this is absolutely phenomenonal ‼️ I would do this in a heartbeat if I could. Thank you so much ‼️
@theThinkerator
@theThinkerator 7 ай бұрын
People that love dogs are my kind of people!
@kiblerjim
@kiblerjim 7 ай бұрын
dogs are the best!
@richardmattix5322
@richardmattix5322 Жыл бұрын
Precision is a drug you can`t quench. You can only be satisfied knowing you did your best.
@davidlawrence8085
@davidlawrence8085 2 ай бұрын
Yeah..........Well said....." Precision is a drug you can`t quench "
@lunkydog
@lunkydog 11 ай бұрын
As a guy that ran CNC lathes for almost 20 yrs, I found this very ingenious. Well done, sir. Thanks for posting this.
@kiblerjim
@kiblerjim 7 ай бұрын
Thank you very much.
@58limited
@58limited 5 ай бұрын
Very interesting video. I have a good friend who started making muzzleloaders as a teen in the 1940s (hobby only, not commercially). At the time there were no parts suppliers so he repurposed locks and trigger sets from junk rifles and made his own barrels and stocks. I'm going to show him this video the next time that I visit him. Using books from the library for reference he made a manual rifling jig like the ones used in the late 1700s/ early 1800s. It takes about 300 passes per groove; six grooves total so 32 passes is a great improvement. I am fortunate to have one of his rifles and it is a tack driver.
@terapode
@terapode Жыл бұрын
I liked the slow pace of the video and how all operation was explained in details, no rush. Good job!!
@maddog45auto66
@maddog45auto66 2 ай бұрын
It's great to know when I go to the woods with my Southern mountain rifle to deerhunt. It was made with quality machinery that I can count love your videals. They're very interesting. I ordered a Southern mountain rifle in 45 caliber, and 2024 cant wait to get it. Thanks again.
@kiblerjim
@kiblerjim 2 ай бұрын
Thank you very much! We appreciate your business!
@Aztal
@Aztal 8 ай бұрын
It's all impressive, but the automatic cutter adjustment is very clever! Kudos!
@kiblerjim
@kiblerjim 7 ай бұрын
Thank you very much.
@halfabee
@halfabee 9 ай бұрын
Impressed. You have given away secretes.
@kiblerjim
@kiblerjim 7 ай бұрын
glad you enjoyed.
@tonybletas431
@tonybletas431 2 жыл бұрын
He who knows his art explains it to the point that at the end, all questions are answered without being asked! Excellent presentation.
@kiblerjim
@kiblerjim 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the compliment!
@garywemmer9342
@garywemmer9342 Жыл бұрын
But what about the angles and specs! Inquiring minds need to know!
@Jozomo
@Jozomo 2 жыл бұрын
Your ingenuity and expertise is remarkable and your compassion with Little Dog shows. You would make a great employer or friend. I'm 83 not looking for job. Just totally impressed by you and your presentation. Bless you young man!
@PatriotPaulUSA
@PatriotPaulUSA Жыл бұрын
Really nice you have figured that all out as a small company. Congrats on such fine work.
@kiblerjim
@kiblerjim Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the kind comment
@bobfugazy4916
@bobfugazy4916 Жыл бұрын
Thanks Jim, that's very ingenious what you've designed there. Thank you for sharing.
@kiblerjim
@kiblerjim Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the compliment Bob! We appreciate you watching our video!
@spasticjackson9578
@spasticjackson9578 9 ай бұрын
That adjustment method is very clever, very cool ! 26:40
@kiblerjim
@kiblerjim 6 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@rossilake3430
@rossilake3430 9 ай бұрын
You really nailed that rifling process using the CNC lathe. I’m a hobby machinist and have seen the single point rifling machines, located North of Milwaukee.. They pretty much do the same process. I learned machining by watching YT video’s. 👍
@kiblerjim
@kiblerjim 6 ай бұрын
I'm happy to hear you enjoyed the video, thank you for watching!
@shirothehero0609
@shirothehero0609 Жыл бұрын
This world would be a worse place without our puppies. What a sweet kiddo.
@markserbu
@markserbu 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome modern technology take on an old process...well done!
@kiblerjim
@kiblerjim 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@bandit3098
@bandit3098 2 жыл бұрын
i love gunsmith channel
@jamen23
@jamen23 9 ай бұрын
As a professional quarter back arm chair critic, I say....."outstanding work!"
@kiblerjim
@kiblerjim 7 ай бұрын
thanks!
@johnr.labella3660
@johnr.labella3660 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome to see the growth of your company. Love to see anything in metal being manufactured
@kiblerjim
@kiblerjim 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your comment and your business!! It was good to see you at the show.
@trevorseals6588
@trevorseals6588 Жыл бұрын
I like how the cutter depth isn’t on its own axis, but is still controlled automatically
@drevil4454
@drevil4454 Жыл бұрын
Best video on how rifling is done.
@stanleydudzik2023
@stanleydudzik2023 2 жыл бұрын
I was a toolmaker for 20 yrs and as such I’m impressed as hell . I did most of my work on conventional machines .I would have done things like making the rifling cutter . I have even setup and run gun drilling machines . I enjoyed this presentation immensely. Keep up the good work. Your attention to detail is the reason I ordered one of your kits . I knew it would be done right .
@garywemmer9342
@garywemmer9342 Жыл бұрын
My Dad worked at Ingersoll Milling Machine co. for , about 32 years. Some of the things that transpired in the tool room, are the things of dreams! He started me out with a hacksaw and a file, as one must. It worked wonders!
@k.s.1871
@k.s.1871 9 ай бұрын
As a retired toolmaker, I say EXCELLENT !
@kiblerjim
@kiblerjim 7 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@grassroot011
@grassroot011 Жыл бұрын
man that was amazing how you manufactured the cutter in house, good stuff and an enjoyable process to watch too, thanks
@user-uj6bg5rq5i
@user-uj6bg5rq5i 7 ай бұрын
Wow, this is the most perfect river knife I have ever seen. I really want this set of knife drawings to complete my toy.
@kiblerjim
@kiblerjim 7 ай бұрын
thanks
@jimburnsjr.
@jimburnsjr. 6 ай бұрын
that is indeed clever... fantastic bit of work; thanks for sharing it.
@kiblerjim
@kiblerjim 5 ай бұрын
Thank you very much! Happy to hear you enjoyed the video!
@brucewilliams6292
@brucewilliams6292 9 ай бұрын
Very impressive what you have been able to come up with. Thank you for sharing!
@kiblerjim
@kiblerjim 7 ай бұрын
So nice of you, thanks!
@1320pass
@1320pass Жыл бұрын
Absolutely brilliant process and a great presentation. Thank you for sharing your craft.
@kiblerjim
@kiblerjim Жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching our video! We appreciate your interest!
@TheWirksworthGunroom
@TheWirksworthGunroom 9 ай бұрын
Great work. Magnificent design and toolmaking. Does make one appreciate the work done in the past in designing such a machine to work entirely mechanically - and to do all the design on a drawing board and notepad!
@kiblerjim
@kiblerjim 7 ай бұрын
Thank you very much! Glad you enjoyed the video.
@deeparks3112
@deeparks3112 3 жыл бұрын
Greetings Jim, Dave P here. A modern Innovative approach to a centuries old process, good on ye sir. Very interesting video demonstration to boot, enjoyed it. I hope your family, and business, are fairing well during this world wide pandemic.
@andrewlambert7246
@andrewlambert7246 2 жыл бұрын
These types of videos helps prove how advanced my rifling knowledge and methods are.
@kiblerjim
@kiblerjim 2 жыл бұрын
If you have anything useful to share, Jim is open to input as he mentioned
@CarpinteroJesus
@CarpinteroJesus 2 жыл бұрын
How can I get one of your barrels, thank you for sharing this very explained video
@kiblerjim
@kiblerjim 2 жыл бұрын
@@CarpinteroJesus Feel free to contact us jim@kiblerslongrifles.com
@zmkburma
@zmkburma 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for explaining comprehensively and showing the whole process. It is very interesting.
@kiblerjim
@kiblerjim 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching, glad to hear you enjoyed it.
@kmrere42
@kmrere42 5 ай бұрын
Hi, Nice to see your shop.. The screw assembly on the back end of the spindle to hold the barrel stable is called a " spider ".. Keep up the excellent work..
@kiblerjim
@kiblerjim 5 ай бұрын
Thank you! I'm happy to hear you enjoyed the video!
@monroeautobody1971
@monroeautobody1971 3 жыл бұрын
Great design and process, well thought out down to the smallest detail, very clean. Gerrit
@metalillness5951
@metalillness5951 2 жыл бұрын
Very clever process you created, I'm impressed. It's great that with that lathe you have control over the C axis. I had no idea that was a feature on that model lathe. Thanks for sharing and posting the video.
@johnron331
@johnron331 3 жыл бұрын
Morning from NZ,well worth the coffee and the growling from the wife.
@rufustoad1
@rufustoad1 11 ай бұрын
Wow. I just received a 1943 9" South Bend lathe with a 4.5' bed that my grandfather used to make barrels on. Huge difference from then and now. I also received a ton of tools and bits that I struggle to understand what they do but I know there were a lot more tools needed back then they do now. Cool stuff
@trevorjarvis3050
@trevorjarvis3050 10 ай бұрын
Is there any way you could post a video of this lathe?
@rufustoad1
@rufustoad1 9 ай бұрын
@@trevorjarvis3050 Hi, I don't do KZfaq but if you have a way I can take a video and send it to you
@trevorjarvis3050
@trevorjarvis3050 9 ай бұрын
@@rufustoad1 I understand… I thought you might have a channel. I have my eye on an old South Bend that’s been sitting in shop for about 25 years, waiting for the guy to decide to let it go… It has some different tooling I’ve never seen before. I think this lathe may have been used to make barrels. He has a number of sine bars, and the ratchet mechanism as well as the rack. I too am wondering what the rest of the tooling looks like so I can determine if it’s all there.
@rufustoad1
@rufustoad1 9 ай бұрын
@@trevorjarvis3050 No worries. This one will also be up for sale soon so if things don't work out let me know.
@trevorjarvis3050
@trevorjarvis3050 9 ай бұрын
@@rufustoad1 let me know where you list it and I’ll find it… thanks!
@nieuportflyer
@nieuportflyer 3 жыл бұрын
That sold me Jim. I'll be talking with you soon. Thanks for sharing 👍
@goldcoasttime
@goldcoasttime 3 жыл бұрын
Brilliant bloody brilliant.....
@larrybeck3857
@larrybeck3857 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for verifying ,what I've never had tools to implement. Bless your all.
@cosmiccharlie8294
@cosmiccharlie8294 2 жыл бұрын
Very impressive that you doped this out yourselves!
@cyrusfrost8029
@cyrusfrost8029 9 ай бұрын
Incredibly clever setup and tooling design.
@kiblerjim
@kiblerjim 7 ай бұрын
thank you very much, glad you like it!
@tykellerman6384
@tykellerman6384 2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic explanation and design for the cutter thanks for the video 🤠👍
@tecra3toshiba149
@tecra3toshiba149 2 жыл бұрын
This falls back to a design I saw in print that Pope used 50 - 60 years ago - but your re-engineering is just plain fantastic. I have an old rifle - and the only repair - is to roll the barrel from 0.312 to a standard 0.358 rifling. Thank you Sir - cheers
@35southkiwi16
@35southkiwi16 6 ай бұрын
That cutter depth adjustment is really clever.
@kiblerjim
@kiblerjim 5 ай бұрын
Thank you :)!
@kentowens2179
@kentowens2179 3 жыл бұрын
Very interesting video! Thank you for sharing it!
@mylife6453
@mylife6453 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome designed cutter. Kudos to to you sir.
@kiblerjim
@kiblerjim 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@johnstephenson7620
@johnstephenson7620 2 жыл бұрын
I love your three legged mascot🐕🐶
@kiblerjim
@kiblerjim 2 жыл бұрын
She was a good dog
@smac5
@smac5 2 жыл бұрын
Very impressive technology and video.
@danielmccann4055
@danielmccann4055 2 жыл бұрын
outstanding work.
@hpbear101
@hpbear101 3 жыл бұрын
Fascinating solution!
@donstallard8303
@donstallard8303 3 жыл бұрын
very nicely presented video and very informative
@abrahamdiazdeleoncamou4764
@abrahamdiazdeleoncamou4764 9 ай бұрын
Very interesting..!!, thanks for sharing..!!
@kiblerjim
@kiblerjim 7 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed!
@Andy-Gibb
@Andy-Gibb 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome work.
@snakedike
@snakedike 2 жыл бұрын
Very clever bit of engineering.
@earlwheelock7844
@earlwheelock7844 11 ай бұрын
ABSOLUTLY!! FASINATING!!!!🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗
@kiblerjim
@kiblerjim 11 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@breathinglead871
@breathinglead871 9 ай бұрын
The TL-2 is the only Hass machine I've enjoyed being on
@bigrod0069
@bigrod0069 3 ай бұрын
Very impressive, i need one them machines now! 😊😊😂😂
@christurley391
@christurley391 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing your process.
@kiblerjim
@kiblerjim 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@cassiusclay7482
@cassiusclay7482 Жыл бұрын
Super travail merci pour la vidéo (de France)
@DARIVSARCHITECTVS
@DARIVSARCHITECTVS Жыл бұрын
Just a thought, instead of plugging the oil pump in, rig a switch neat the control box for easier operator access. If you trust relays, you could automate the oil pump from input from the control box. It depends on how much damage ensues from running the cutter dry. Thanks for showing us this fascinating process!
@tsclly2377
@tsclly2377 9 ай бұрын
I like your cutter, as it has the potential to do squeeze bore rifling and can be set up for polygonal also.
@kiblerjim
@kiblerjim 6 ай бұрын
Thank you for watching!
@longbellycaster
@longbellycaster 2 жыл бұрын
That’s a cool way of rifling!
@RobertBoggstools
@RobertBoggstools 3 жыл бұрын
Loved the video thank you
@devemch7851
@devemch7851 2 жыл бұрын
There are different ways to rifle a barrel. Cut riffling being one of the oldest. I don’t like button because the control of the lead is often a chicken and egg problem. The sexiest riffing machine has to be the Pratt Whitney model A sine bar. The model B got rid of the sine bar and has two gangs to speed things up. The hydraulics on the B are a nightmare as many specialized parts are obsolete. The model A downside is that uses turn of the century machine technology and was originally line shaft drive. Other makers of sine bars are basically copies of the Pratt Whitney. What you have done here is really impressive. Quality barrels are cut riffle barrels. I am not a fan of hammered barrels… originally designed for the German MG42 machine gun. It solves a problem unique to the MG42 but not on the radar for muzzleloaders. Marlins micro groove is a joke. I think fewer deeper lands are the way to go for long term reliability. While it would be nice to improve cycle time, you run the risk of breaking tooling and reducing quality. Cut riffling has always been time consuming. Personally I would accept it as a necessary evil and focus on quality. One of the proverbs from Solomon on haste comes to mind. I have searched for a model A for 20 years. After WE1, the anti gun mentality saw many scrapped and many exported to the Slavic countries. Model Bs were also scrapped in number after WW2. I have tinkered with idea of building a model A from scratch. The pattern work is insane and the bed casting is no easy machine problem requiring sending the bed around the country to get planed and ground. Older model As will likely need to be sent to Wisconsin for grinding as well. So what you have done is an impressive solution to a vexing problem. My hat is off to you on this one.
@arthurvandervelde
@arthurvandervelde 9 ай бұрын
And My hat off to you Sir, for offering this excellent background information which I have copied and saved.
@greglaroche1753
@greglaroche1753 Жыл бұрын
Very. interesting. Thanks!
@pamtnman1515
@pamtnman1515 Жыл бұрын
Fascinating and useful video
@henrykleyn3423
@henrykleyn3423 Жыл бұрын
Thanks, that was quite educational. Great Video.
@kiblerjim
@kiblerjim Жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@brucelemken3249
@brucelemken3249 Жыл бұрын
Awesome use of Fusion 360
@kiblerjim
@kiblerjim Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@theradioweyr
@theradioweyr 9 ай бұрын
Outstanding!
@kiblerjim
@kiblerjim 7 ай бұрын
thanks!
@tallyman15
@tallyman15 2 жыл бұрын
Great video.
@garywemmer9342
@garywemmer9342 Жыл бұрын
Must give that baby Lovins & Skrichens! They need that critical human contact. For, they are God's gift !
@nilebrixton8436
@nilebrixton8436 Жыл бұрын
fascinating to watch. thanks!
@Rick-tb4so
@Rick-tb4so 2 жыл бұрын
Great video and with 1 hour of cycle time I now realize the cost of manufacturing.
@manuelluis9106
@manuelluis9106 Жыл бұрын
Olá sou português adoro trabalhar com metais e não sei porque razão, mas desde uns anos para cá, que eu tenho acompanhado tudo sobre fabricação e reparação de armas. E é a primeira vez que vejo isso, é espetacular parabéns excelente idéia por essa ferramenta. Desejo muito sucesso para vocês. E eu adorava trabalhar numa fafrica assim. Um grande abraço de Portugal felicidades.
@obaidashafai1797
@obaidashafai1797 Жыл бұрын
very clever, very informative video thank you very much for your presentation
@kiblerjim
@kiblerjim Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@johnreynolds6499
@johnreynolds6499 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing. Thanks for sharing.
@kiblerjim
@kiblerjim Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@mdbryan9525
@mdbryan9525 8 ай бұрын
Back in the mid eighties I drove the Blue Ridge Parkway. There was a small building that housed a early rifling machine. Almost all of it was built out of wood. The technology is almost identical except for the accuracy and automation.
@kiblerjim
@kiblerjim 6 ай бұрын
very cool!
@karlhubben8009
@karlhubben8009 Жыл бұрын
Good job, exellent idea!
@kiblerjim
@kiblerjim Жыл бұрын
Glad you think so!
@richardhillman9745
@richardhillman9745 2 жыл бұрын
Sorry to hear about your little dog, it's a shame they don't last longer, mine is getting old also. I hope she had a good life.
@kiblerjim
@kiblerjim 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Richard. We really miss her. She did have a good long life.
@BigT27295
@BigT27295 2 жыл бұрын
That's pretty dang slick
@treetrimmerguy2
@treetrimmerguy2 Жыл бұрын
Amazing work, The only thing I don't like about the extreme care you put into your rifles. Is that it really makes me want to purchase one of your rifle kits. Boy this precision barrel work, along with some of that extra fancy Maple. Sure would be fun to finish up here in my shop. Just what I need. Another project. Cars and guns. That is where all my money seems to go. Keep up the great work. Hope you have a great Christmas. Hope your dog is still doing okay.
@noriszilverbergen5227
@noriszilverbergen5227 2 жыл бұрын
Nice "tiara"!! Never work without "Safety Tiara" on your head !!
@futuresonex
@futuresonex 2 жыл бұрын
Very cool!
@powersawtomfoolery6739
@powersawtomfoolery6739 2 жыл бұрын
Great explanation and demonstration video. Thank you! I just saw a video with Brux Barrels. They are using Pratt & Whitney machines and their cycle time is around 30 minutes for a "standard" blank, 27"-ish? I'd say in your case using an adapted machine and blanks that are 30% longer, your cycle times are acceptable. The best barrels are lapped after rifling. You could consider lead lapping your barrels for an even more uniform finish. Great job!
@paulvenn4447
@paulvenn4447 3 жыл бұрын
Ayyy new video! Nice work!
@larryalexander4833
@larryalexander4833 Жыл бұрын
This is a older video I know , just not long ago lost my dog Sassy of 15 years. They are joy in this old world and we are their whole world . Cherish thier time with us!
@jesusisalive3227
@jesusisalive3227 3 ай бұрын
I was not expecting the cutter to be moving that fast.
@rickoshea8138
@rickoshea8138 2 жыл бұрын
Clever use of CNC lathe!
@James-fs4rn
@James-fs4rn 5 ай бұрын
👍 brilliant! Sorry about the pup. Hard to watch them get old.
@kiblerjim
@kiblerjim 5 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@lennybaldacchino
@lennybaldacchino 2 жыл бұрын
great quality work loll
@darrenhill4406
@darrenhill4406 2 жыл бұрын
That's slicker than a minners peter!
@gruberstein
@gruberstein 3 жыл бұрын
Very cool and every machine shop or garage needs a three legged dog.
@junaidaftabkhan
@junaidaftabkhan Жыл бұрын
Absolute Genius
@vettepicking
@vettepicking Жыл бұрын
Genius
@atulgohil
@atulgohil 3 жыл бұрын
This is by far the most explanatory video I have come across yet about rifling head. Thanks! I would really like to get some more details of how you made the rifling head as I'm in the process of making one for myself. Pls advise. Thanks once again.
@d.jensen5153
@d.jensen5153 9 ай бұрын
Nice job!
@kiblerjim
@kiblerjim 7 ай бұрын
thanks for watching!
@arrondo7804
@arrondo7804 9 ай бұрын
Awesome!👍🙏💗
@kiblerjim
@kiblerjim 7 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@ndtpro76
@ndtpro76 Жыл бұрын
I would seek to add a multi point tool that free spins on the draw rod. This would be pulled through as a final stroke to remove the burr at each edge of both sides of each groove, and polish that corner uniformly. Of course, a couple rounds of hard lead ball would largely accomplish the same thing.... The tool could easily be created in a sintered metal process. Very cool process that can easily be changed for things like gain-twist rifling, 5R, etc... Awesome fix!
@CarlosManuel-wm2ud
@CarlosManuel-wm2ud 2 ай бұрын
Muy interesante su explicación de cómo funciona el mecanismo del estriado y todo su proceso soy cubano y esto para mi es algo desconocido ni sabía que esto se pudiera publicar ❤
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