I agree, 100% with your comments on this video. CYC has a tendency to infrequently release these highly polished Hollywood blockbuster videos, which is not what we are looking for. Release basic videos, frequentlyaddressing questions from their customers. I left a comment on their Photon promo video telling them that we want to know about the repairability of the motor. I got over a dozen thumbs up, and CYC has never addressed that question.

I'm really glad you're calling out cyc on these issues. I came close to buying an x1 pro several times. But i read through the forums and FB groups and see tons of issues people have with them. I'll stick with my 72v BBSHD for now. It's been bulletproof pushing 72v for well over a year and I'm not gentle with it at all.

6 bafang builds and counting 1 cyc ! no brainer! luv ur work thanks mate ! keep it greasy we go down easy !

Tried a gen 1 and it died in 1200km meanwhile my BBDHD still going strong with 30000km of abuse on it.

CYC is well known for inflating power ratings of their motors. Every value you must divide by 2 to get more realistic number. So in this case this motor is no more than 2500W.

When I upgrade I'm probably going with TQ HPR50 since you can buy them as components now instead of spending 15k USD to get one on a bike - they're still about a kbuck so if I need another motor the Tongshen has been working fine for me and the torque sensor is really good on it so for about 270 just for the motor/display it's hard not to go with another TSDZ2B. I pulled it out the box, installed it, and it just worked. Nothing to write home about but there is also something to be said for zero issues (so far).

I'm planning to build a gen 4 5kw hardtail, have a gen2 with bac2000 but swapped to x6 at 2kw pas, the bac2000 is on the parts shelf for another project.

Your right, "For me" after i heard the CYC it was a no go.. i bought 2 Fang BBS02 instead 🤷 if they could make a high output motor that's not annoying id pick one up.

Hi, i am new to this channel, i got the BBS02 and CYC Stealth Gen 3, i would say the noise from CYC Stealth Gen 3 is a real drawback. I am quite regret to getting Stelth other than Photon.

All generations seem to have the same issues, from what I have seen. I was going to get one, but went for a bbshd no torque sensor but it's reliable

You are right on the target with this video Captain Codswallop! There's nothing like truth in advertising, and this is typical advertising on their part.

You're right about the sound being the deal breaker. Bet this one will be as noisy as the Gen 3. And if so, no thanks. Will stick to my quiet and reliable BBSHD.

High Voltage Lightning Rod will be my next build!

The Ristretto 512 will be the first mass retail ebike to use the gen 4. Will keep you posted on how things are going once I get it, expected in March. I don't think there is going to be any meaningful amount of reduced noise from gen 4, only some arbitrary % they may assign to it hence they don't use it as a selling point.

I think the new bafang torque sensor motors will finally bridge the gap against the cyc photon, tongsheng tsdz2 and the new dm motors. I have a tsdz2 and a bbs02b. The tsdz2 is a good motor but they're too flimsy. The whole thing is secured with crappy circlips. The bbs02b is just rock solid. A couple of weeks back we had floods in the uk, I had no choice but to ride with the motor submerged in water for a good 10 minutes, I had no choice as every possible route home was flooded. When I arrived home I took the motor apart and was surprised at the small amount of water that had penterated. I love these motors theirs no comparison in terms of reliability atm.

My national agency, which sells fourth-generation motors, says the noise has decreased a lot compared to the third generation, but the manufacturer says there is not much difference in comments somewhere on the KZfaq video. If it had actually decreased, the manufacturer would have made a comparative video, but I'm more confident to see that it's not.

I think they want other KZfaqrs like your channel show how it works

Would be good if they have a slimmer battery the cyc and others the battery is to bulky My gen 3 stealth is going strong just hit 8 months

I need to see if the motor is battle Hardened first. If it's not, then it's a no-go for me

In the end I do not trust CYC anymore. I run a X1 Pro Gen 2 here (with the option to upgrade to a Gen3 controller). When I met Cathy at Eurobike 2022 she promised that the software issues with the Android app for the Gen 2 will be fixed sometimes till the end of 2022. Then the new Gen 3 controller with new display and new app came out and surprise: No updates for the Gen 2 Android app anymore which programs the ASI 855. From what I have heared the Photon has similar software issues with the app. It´s not that the CYC X1 is a bad motor if you run it in decent power levels (e.g. 1-1.2 kW average with some peaks up to 1.4 kW) in PAS / torque mode but in high power throttle mode you will quickly waste either the X1 and / or your drive train. I have a Fat bike with stock BBS HD plus Eggrider. Also I build various BBS 02 fully MTBs with EggRider as well. I guess if the X1 dies on my fully I will either got the BBS 02 or BBS HD route. No money for CYC anymore. Especially getting spare parts in Germany is a true PITA and can get pretty expensive.

I was thinking of adding on my old hardtail mountain bike, with single speed and running a 60v 60amps LiFePO4 battery, any thoughts?

I like your videos and your questions, I wish that you joined the cyc owners group on Facebook , close to 5000 members, a lot of people see your and your KZfaq channel 👍

It’s funny how the BBSHD is under rated by Bafang and CYC is overrated by their marketing department.

Hi sorry different subject. But are you aware of the new tongsheng tsdz8 48v750w model?

it does look pretty good but the proof is in the pudding

what happened to De-bodgery, haven't seen any updates

I was looking at engwe m20 vs this one. But have no idea if it gonna fit

I’ve been hurt by cyc before, they all seem to brake, overheat, and they’re expensive But they’re fun when they work, so I expect CYC will hurt me again

There is QC built into engineering/design or not. Enough said about CYC🧐

Anyone know if the sprag clutch has been upgraded on the gen 4?

Idk why they won’t thoroughly test their products instead of having customers test it for them.

i don't see the point of having a torque sensor on a motor that has peak power and efficiency in the range of 250rpm. there is no way you can generate any leg torque at that crank rpm. obviously, 5000W @120rpm, which is what you can actually pedal at, would mean that you're pretty much instantly busting the freehub mechanism...

I think the only thing I will say is you’re kinda wanting too much. Because this is a diy kit and everybody will be putting these on extremely varied setups, so they can only do much testing. They also have to appear more like a professional company than a hobby company.

I am one of the written off guys, No way I will spend to test.

Wow! How about the fact that even going frame by frame in the vid you cant see the drive!? It could be anything on that bike! The quick view is not when it's being ridden. All the things builders care about are not featured at all in that video.

bafang is cheaper and its bullet proof.

1300$ without taxes... No thanks. Except it's really good, but time will tell.

The numbers doesn't add up. No way this tiny motor can dissipate the heat 5kw can generate. BBSHD all day everyday. Way more powerful and reliable than this overpriced RC motor converted to be used on an ebike

Don't buy this motor if you're willing to lose a $1000 For a paper weight Good luck with your customer service if you do

Great points. Hope CYC is listening. Disappointed that with this new gen, they didn't upgrade to an IPM motor.