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We all know the real villain is Gavin

The real villain is contribute box, because even if you give all treasure hunt money it's still not enough for tahiti ending 😅

Arthur is the real villain for making me cry at the end.

Dutch is the main villain, and i explain in my point of view why: Dutch is egocentric and manipulative. Even if Micah wasn't the rat, the gang's fate would likely be the same, and that's because Micah knew how to feed Dutch's inflated ego. Arthur and Hosea put the well-being of the gang members ahead of their egos, while Dutch, even when he seemed to be altruistic, was only doing that to convince himself that he was some kind of misunderstood hero (like when Hosea say to not rob the Cornwall train and Dutch didn't give a shit). Arthur and Charles were aware that they (the Van Der Linde gang) were just bandits, while Dutch fantasized that they were good rebels fighting the system, and justified their violence and lack of scruples behind a supposed need (Heidi McCourt and the old woman in Guarma, also Eagle Flies and the young wapiti men). When confronted about his actions Dutch had no shame in lying, saying that it was necessary or that he had no choice (abandoning Arthur in the Oil Field, for example). To what extent did he do this consciously or pathologically? It's hard to say. But he has always been a villain, the difference is that in RDR 1 (which I played even before 2) he no longer tries to maintain the fantasy that he is an American Robin Hood.

Lumbago is THE villain

The characters are so well written that you forget that they’re all bad people who have everything that happens to them coming.

The main villain was time. Everyone involved in the old way of life was on the way out some tried to force the world around them to stay in the old ways and the rest assimilated willingly or not. Dutch's ego wanted him to go out on his terms and it ruined the lives of everyone in the gang. Quite honestly I felt everything Milton said was a lie to destroy the gang from the inside. It was a win/win situation for him. Get them to fight each other while you catch them being careless and arrest/kill them.

This is a game *about* villains. You play as a villain, you’re surrounded by villains, and you fight other villains. The game is about being a bad man who gets sick and tries to do a little good before he goes (or not if you fight the game and go the low honor route).

Gambler 8 was the true villain all along

I absolutely loved this video! It's awesome to explore RDR2's story in a more unbiased way, and realizing how much deeper it actually is. I think the villain being the "turn of the century", expansion of civilization, rise of richer, more powerful people, makes the most sense for me personally. Good video! You've a new subscriber

Micah said something along the lines of "If I was in charge then I'd lose the gaggle of women. Real gang is 6 to 8 strong riders, so we could move fast and not be slowed down". In the end, who's to say Micah didn't get that. Everyone was leaving and only Dutch, John, Arthur, Bill, Charles, Javier, Micah, and 2 whom Micah introduced. Yes, there were Grimshaw, Tilly, Abigail, Jack, and Sadie, but as far as Micah was concerned they didn't matter. He even pleaded with Dutch to leave Abigail behind when she was captured after the train job.

Micah is definitely the main villain of the game but almost everyone is a villain in this game including Arthur

I don't have the time to watch your video right now because of school but I will watch it when I come back please keep it up. I like to draw and doodle while having these videos in the background

Just so you know you are my favorite channel over here, you often bring points i strongly agreed with but no one else was really getting there. Thank you for your work!

The fact is they’re all outlaws and villains. That being said I still think Micah was the one to help escalate things to where they went. His only focus was getting the money and cutting as many people as he could so his share would be more. Micah was only ever looking out for himself. I don’t think he made Dutch do anything, but I definitely think he steered him in that direction preying on his more ruthless side.

I say it every time, but I wish R* would’ve made the story have variation. Avoid beating Thomas Downes, stay healthy, beat the sht out of Micah as a healthy Arthur, settle all loose ends and move away with Mary at the end of it. I so badly wanted a healthy Arthur’s reaction when Micah started rambling at the mouth in Chapter 5-6

the real villain was the crime we committed along the way

In both games, the theme was the death of the Old West, so if there is an overarching villain, it is definitely time and the progress of civilization. RDR is a tale of bad people seeking redemption, not of a hero fighting a villain. There are multiple people who fit the label of villain or antagonist because it depends on whether you're focused on John or Arthur and where you are in their stories. So I feel that trying to approach the series with the goal of identifying a "real villain" misses the message that both games try to send.

Id love if they did a red dead redemption remake, and hopefully include Arthur as a mention in the first game, show that John still thinks about him and so on

Can you do a video if Jack got shipped to italy

We all know the real villain is “the one shot kid”

Every one in this world does seem to be the villains because every action everyone takes results in someones death

Goated videos. Best rdr2 youtuber easily.

The real villain of rdr2 is Micah Bell. He’s the one who convinced Dutch to do the ferry, to shoot Heidi McCourt, to try and rob both the families, to rob the train in chapter 6, all of it was Micah. All he had to do was appeal to Dutch’s ego and sit back and watch the fucking fireworks. All the bad guys in this game believe in something. Whether that’s societal justice, money, a code, it’s something to live and die for. Micah lives so that Micah can keep living. He’s the poster-child of pure fucking apathy, and apathy is what kills the soul. Arthur even says in the good man/bad ending knife fight that Micah’s “dead inside.” The game is showing us that not caring about anything is the worst fucking thing a person can do to themselves. Micah said “fuck it.” And then Dutch said “fuck it.”

Great video and yeah I can see how you'd view the dawning of "civilization" as the antagonist but I see that as more of Rockstar showing that while the Van Der Linde gang were not good people the "Law" were just outlaws in suits and morally there is little difference between Outlaws and the Law...ironically. Dutch is the true villain, he was the only one who had the ultimate power to get Micah out whether it was killing him himself or just excommunicating him from the gang it is very obvious...very early on that MIcah is leading the gang towards death

Its take2interactive

I don’t really agree with RDR2 not being Arthur’s story. Most literature or story telling can have multiple protagonists or have protagonists that switch/ change that’s nothing new. The main thing is Arthur is the one being forced to progress the story in the games. You can’t die as Arthur until the game allows you to. When you properly die as the game wants you die as Arthur the credits roll. Usually a tell tale sign that his story/ RDR2 has ended. Yes there is an epilogue for John where we follow John as our ‘new’ protagonist who pushes the story forward to explain the inbetween of RDR2 to RDR. But the Epilogue isn’t the main story it can literally be seen as a Supplement for the main Conclusion but the Epilogue should never be considered the ending of a story.

If rhere's a real villain, it's the concept of time and its effect on society and the inevitable, unstoppable march it presents. The evolution of civilisation is what brought the Pinkertons into the world, dissolving the "Wild" west away, that drives rats like Micah to desperation and to find ways to survive, by whatever means necessary. Civilisation, for all of Dutch's rambling about wanting to be free, is very attractive to him. It has a natural inclination towards a hierarchy of power and respect, something he needs from his gang and won't accept any challenges on in his gang. "He insists..." "FAITH"! He dresses in a fancy way, by far the most of the gang, he has a phonograph in his room, and embraces technology. His idol, Evelyn Miller, mirrors him in many ways, he's Dutch further down the line. Miller has a sense of freedom and justice, but he's a privileged fop as well, eager to delight in the pleasures of Saint Denis. By the time we see Dutch in RDR1, you can see that he's using a semi-automatic Pistol. To me, this symbolises that he now trusts civilisation and the tools it brings and has given up the hope of true freedom in the West. He's abandoned his principals and is using the arms of his enemy for himself. If there's a single human "villain" in the story, it's Dutch, and how he's been driven from ideals he might have truly held by ideals he finds truly appealing. All in all, I think it's a bit simplistic to think of this as having heroes and villains, the characters are largely well fleshed out and have understandable motivations that make them more nuanced. Even the rat Micah.

even when you rescue micah you can clearly see skies turn black and cloudy and there will be visibly many lightnings and thunders coming down from the sky telling you a storm is coming in the future. basically bad news like you should not have freed this piece of sh#!

I broke the god damn wheel

I think it’s good that Arthur isn’t mentioned in RDR1 or some savior of John at giving him a second chance, (odviously the idea for RDR2 wasn’t made) but in RDR2 Jack even mentions Arthur in the epilogue and Abigail mentions that John doesn’t like to talk about the past or Arthur because it’s more important to dwell on the present and future, so even if there is a remaster the only thing I would want to see is maybe Arthur’s hat on a stand or in John’s house, or maybe even his journal you can look through, I think bringing up Arthur more in a remaster would make Arthur feel like the main character of the series which he isn’t, because really It’s John and the Gang, Arthur as said while the perfect character development ever he’s just a vessel to witness these events

The real villain is lumbago

Micha. The Pinkertons. Period. Without a doubt. Neither of them and there's just the living of life. Not destruction, suffering, injustice and insecurity.

in all chapters of the rdr2 game you never see micah help anyone in a positive way... he just stays far away from everyone in parties never hunts for food never is kind to anyone doesn't do anthing instead cleans his guns always. same goes for bill and javier too. like fr how did dutch not kill them lazy sobs? and then they always antagonized everyone and fkd up every mission they were involved in. and ultimately killed the gang.

Could you make a video comparing Dutch from RDR1 and RDR2 and how different Dutch acts between the 2 games?

I can't bring myself to hate Dutch that's how well written he is. Micah, Bronte and Colm are so much easier to hate than Dutch

Circumstances doesn’t make the man. What you choose to do in those circumstances is what makes you. I would be a far worse person had it been the opposite, and you can see exactly this in the fact that Arthur was becoming a better man over the time of the game. It may have been accelerated due to his illness. Though that doesn’t change that it was his choices and his reflection of them that made him a better person. Society may be messed up, yet that doesn’t mean that is an excuse. I still believe that Dutch and Micah are the villains of the game.

I think it's edgar Ross he probably was leading Milton like how Micah was leading dutch.or it could go deeper to Archer Fordham being in control the whole time.but think about it.remember Dutch's final speech he said they would find another monster.like how our enemies in all games.cornwall, O'Driscolls, Milton,Grays&brathwaites,Bronte,fussar,favors, Micah,bill,Javier, Dutch,then to us John Also Ross.

from playing Red Dead Redemption 2 many times and from this perspectives I think Dutch, Micah, Agent Milton, Cornwall, and Colm Od'Driscoll are the main villains of RDR2. The reasons are Colm O'Driscoll killed Dutch's lover which drove Dutch to hate Colm O'Driscoll where it causes Dutch to go revenge mode including more obsession on competing the better gang leader than Colm O'Driscoll. Dutch couldn't control his addiction to the criminal life even though he advocate for some good ideas, easily manipulated by Micah along with Angelo Bronte about doing risky things, and leaving Arthur to die despite Arthur not betraying him. Also what I didn't like about Dutch was how he wouldn't even acknowledge that he made mistakes when members of the gang called him out of it. Also Micah would be consider as a villain because Micah likes to hurt including kill innocent people without cause or remorse, is an easily manipulator on Dutch to cause him being reckless without thinking of the consequences. Agent Milton is corrupt and another villain because he ruthlessly killed Hosea even though he promised Dutch's gang that he would let him go free, was about to kill Abigail until Arthur and Sadie rescue her, and doesn't even care if he hurts innocent people or women or children. Leviticus Cornwall was a greedy and ruthless man where he would bribe Agent Milton to do his work. Overall in my opinion there is no real right answer on who is the main villain, but all of these people are villains in their own way.

Dutch is the villain. He needs to be a leader but deep down he wants to be “free” like Micah. Micah is a survivalist. He wants the gang but also wants to do his own thing. He is the annoying brother. But the gang doesn’t really except him. He tries to be friendly sometimes but they sneer and laugh. Hosea is the Dutch’s conscience. When he is gone all that Dutch has is his dream of being free. Dutch loses it more and more, Micah does what he does to survive (the whole gang did the same thing but we like them) if Dutch were taken in I bet the gang would’ve survived a lot better then they did.

Rockstar is the villain for never letting us find Lennay.

The villain of Rdr2 is the changing world around them. IMO

The main villain is that guy with all the furs and pelts that shows up in Valentines bar on occasion. That guy knows how to take a punch

ultimately its dutch and micha dutch was always a narcssitic power and greed focused person but he had such a way with words and the ability to manipulate people in such a way that you saw the man he wanted you to see and hosea was his true north without hosea being calm and resonable and arthurs unquestioning loyalty the cracks started to show the mask slipped and we see dutch as he truley is

Clearly the antagonist is uncle Lumbaiko

Dang it we know the true enemy is Gavin

Mr. Downes is the true villain, he took Arthur out like Suge Knight

Gavin was the rat

The Villain to Outlaws is Society and it's Laws. Just look what it did to Dutch the stress of being wanted in 7 states dead or alive drove him insane. Arthur being wanted in 5 states 2 of which were dead or alive wrecked his relationship possibilities with Mary before he got sick and Hell we all know where it lead John. Micah likes to think of himself as some great Outlaw and survivor but he was just a criminal with only one skill, Killing. Dutch had blonder on to Micah because he saved Dutch's life but it was Dutch's choices in the end compounded by Laws & Order that blew apart his gang.

I think that the story is not as complicated as these theories make it out to be. All this was probably created by the open ending, and our perception is creating the story, our mind looks for clues and details to support a hypothesis.

RDR2 tells the Story of both the Downfall of The Van Der Linde Gang and Arthur's change through it up to his death. Both ends are flesh out masterfully and through The same prospective, Arthur's. There is no clear antagonist, just people filling up these roles in the more typical ways. RDR2 is a story of change, so I think Catalysts is a better way to frame the Antagonists. The meat and potatoes of this story is how the Gang tears itself from within when faced with external pressure. So putting the emphasis on the external is clearly misguided in my mind!

In my opinion, there's not ONE single villain, there's many.

Yeah I like the grey of everyone and these videos are fun. However Micha is clearly more derranged and evil than the rest and we “love” him for it but he definitely is the most rotten and worse of the bunch regardless of how everyone else in the group stands morally.

Pretty sus that you left Magnifico off the list. He's obviously up to something.

Arthur had a mother he loved and respected, had he not met the gang ,his life might of taken a different path, he was 11 when she died, although Arthur was 15 when his father died and him and his dad didn't get along, he had family of his own, Johns mother died giving birth to him, his father died when he was 8, so John never had the stability of a loving family, thats why he was the way he was with his family, I have to say they were both villains but Arthur was the stronger smarter, more compassionate of the two, Arthur was always trying to be a better man, John didn't know how.Just my take on things I'm a mom and a grandmother and I love this game!❤micah was beyond redemption at birth!!!!!

The real villain is time

The group post definitely wasn't a hint of the video

Change and pride those are the villains of the reddead games

the villain is Arthur because he BROKE THE GOD DAMN WHEEL!

The real villain is the wheel

It's funny to look back at the plot of RDR2 and realize that all main ingame antagonists are after the gang only because Dutch stirred the shit with them when he didn't have to. Dutch's poor leadership and slipping sense of what's right is the main antagonistic force for the game. Micah is a scumbag but he is consistent in just being himself. It's Dutch who changes, mostly for the worse.

In my opinion the real villain is money, faith, loyalty and tahiti. If none of these existed Dutch wouldn't go crazy

From my perspective, it's honestly everyone.

Honestly whether you fault Micah or Dutch or however the hell else, i think that the "villain" of this story is TB, or Arthur's own stupid choices comin' to bite him. That or time. your choice, but i feel those answers are more correct.

In my opinion they are ALL villans, every last one of em. The only difference is that some of them are less evil or violent then the others, but thats it.

The real villain are the friends we did along the way

What if Shaun wasn’t shot? And who would’ve been shot in his place?

I think the most important question is why does tge gang have a reverend with them

Okay

Crazy how many people say Dutch. I get it for rdr1 but rdr2 shows he had a good side and wanted nothing but making the gang happy.

Gavin was the real villain

the real villain of rdr2 is rockstar

What if the gang robbed the bank of Rhodes instead of Saint Denis?

So it is wo i think

the real villains of the story are the entire van der linde gang. people forget that protagonist and hero are not always synonymous. just because we are made to care about the main characters, doesn’t mean they aren’t killers, theives, scammers, etc. its called red dead redemption, why do you guys think they need to be redeemed 😂

The real villain is Colm O’driscoll

Micah was the good guy because he ended a gang that killed alot of people

Tuberculosis

Idk who the real villain is but i definitely know who the worst character written was

the real villian is cynic

Micah Bell was the real villain

I think it's dutch so it's exactly who I think it is

GAVIN 🤣🤣

DAMN IM EARLY

I feel like the spoiler warning is almost unnecessary at this point. Other than the act man, who doesn't know the story of the red dead's? The game is over 5-6 years old now for the second one. If you haven't played it and clicked on a video titled "who is the real villain of red dead?" You're not allowed to complain about spoilers

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