D&D 5e Lore - Elegy of the First World | Nerd Immersion
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2 жыл бұрынPick up a copy of Fizban's Treasury of Dragons for yourself here: amzn.to/3jc7dN5
The first real page of Fizban's Treasury of Dragons is an epic poem called Elegy of the First World. This speaks of Bahamut and Tiamat and their creation of The First World. It's a really interesting piece of lore but it also was really fun to read out loud. So I wanted to do that for all of you. What do you think?
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@NerdImmersion 2 жыл бұрын
Pick up a copy of Fizban's Treasury of Dragons for yourself here: amzn.to/3jc7dN5
@stevenburton7725 2 жыл бұрын
How do you feel the death of Hasbro’s CEO will affect the future of D&D?
@gyorgyor7765 2 жыл бұрын
I would not recommend this book to those who aren't home brewers.
@lucastroyano9927 2 жыл бұрын
I love that they touch on Bahamut and Tiamat working together instead of the animosity they now have
@Gauldame 2 жыл бұрын
That divorce was a helluva mess...
@joedan5366 2 жыл бұрын
@@Gauldame now make a campaign where they get back together
@derrickhaggard 2 жыл бұрын
@@Gauldame By divorce you mean the Dragonfall War which resulted in the destruction of the 1st World and inadvertently created the modern day Multiverse as we know it, and the creation of the Dracorage a rage-inducing affliction that causes any species of dragon afflicted with it to go into a feral frenzy that causes said dragon to go on a rampage.
@Hey-Its-Dingo 2 жыл бұрын
@@Gauldame They're siblings...
@gyorgyor7765 2 жыл бұрын
@@derrickhaggard Lovely poem, but None of this is even slightly compatible with preexisting lore, none of its actually usable without completely retconning Gods, Pantheons, and entire settings and their origins. Toril was created by Selune and Shar, how is that compatible with Toril being a fragment of the First World.
@theodoubleto 2 жыл бұрын
It’s interesting to see everyone get up in arms about this book. I was never into the lore when I started playing 3.5e in high school but that’s because each DM made their own world. Now that I DM with 5e I read the lore bits in the 5e books and go “nah” or “sure”. I know cannon is important to people, as a Star Wars fan it’s basically the glue of the fandom, but I feel like WotC D&D just want to give people a taste and lightly contradict themselves so people who consume the hobby can make it truly theirs. IMO, Io made the “First World” along side other creatures like Primordials. Then was ripped in half from nostrils to tail which then formed Bahamut and Tiamat, then Io’s glistening blood sunk into the world and formed Sardior from its immense pressure. The three base dragon types are created by their prime deity and others begin to come into being by Io’s spirit. This leaves me plenty of room for adjustment on deity children based on setting along with small tweaks, like names, for Eberron and Dragonlance.
@joedan5366 2 жыл бұрын
Love it
@theodoubleto 2 жыл бұрын
@@joedan5366 Thanks! I had a player be our paladin and they wanted a neutral deity. I took a couple days of research and skimmed over some books to give them choices. They like Io the most. Then they dipped out because they didn't like how the class fit with the party, which is a artificer, UA mystic, and wizard.
@krim7 2 жыл бұрын
I have seen a lot of people be upset with this poem because it "changes everything", yet I am over here laughing because the meta story of D&D has always been in Flux. I mean the story of how the universe came about was radically different between 3E, 4E and 5E. Just look at all the different origins and histories for Asmodeus. There is no strict Canon. The lore exists for DMs to draw inspiration from. It's like 40k, everything could be true, from a certain point of view.
@Nyghtking 2 жыл бұрын
I'm not that bothered, because literally every race has a story how the world was made and even the dragons have different stories of how it went, plus people believe that since volo is an eccentric that his guide to monsters may be incorrect, so I don't see how fizbin's would be 100% correct in his book.
@raelysk 2 жыл бұрын
@@Nyghtking Well, there's this thing that Fizzban is Paladine... Who is also canonically Bahamut. But I don't think that this is in any way his own poem and not something he encountered.
@beastmasterbrax4747 2 жыл бұрын
I love the image of Tiamat this paints. I can understand why she wants destruction.
@kingmasterlord 2 жыл бұрын
fr same thing with zargon the returner, every account I have seen is from an outside perspective what if from his perspective he was minding his own business and or being friendly until people started shit?
@jaketionary2543 2 жыл бұрын
What I like about this (besides Ted's campfire reading, very dope) is that it feels in-world. Visit Hypothetical Land with me; if Io was a thing, and was cleaved in two, and the two became Tiamat and Bahamut, who else would know that? This is a poem passed from dragon to dragon; it is limited by their knowledge, its purpose is to remind their kind of a birthright that was stolen. It's simmering with frustration, and the details are not as important as the feeling. "Bahamut fell, and now makes peace"; he is a king in exile. "Tiamat fought to the bitter end, and the first thing she did was call for round two"; her personality hasn't been changed wholesale, just recontextualized. This world is her home. It's her hoard. It's great stuff. And honestly, one could use this elegy and still fit other dragons in. Why did Bahamut fall? Dissent in the metallic ranks as Ferrous dragons fought for power; it would add to the bad blood, as the ferrous dragons despise the "peace" forged by Bahamut. Boom; retconned the retcon For my two copper, I think Sardior is just "one with the Force" as it were. It would explain why gem dragons are uniquely psionic, why they describe his consciousness as "scattered amongst his children"; while Bahamut is in mount celestia and tiamat is in avernus (sometimes), I think sardior is...elsewhere, in the way that the Far Realm isn't a place as much it is a not-place. Sardior has become part of the code of the Matrix.
@MrCowboy6588 2 жыл бұрын
There's a lot of hate being thrown at WotC for seemingly killing off Sardior in that poem, and not really touching on it elsewhere - but I absolutely love what they've done with that poem, and it seeds so many different ideas into my head as a DM. Bahamut and Sardior mourning the loss of Tiamat? Tiamat being shown in one perspective as not being the villain, but rather trying to save the first world from the invading deities of the humanoid civilizations? Bahamut making piece with the other deities in order to ascend to the Celestial plane and save his children in the first world? Did he abandon Sardior and Tiamat rather than fight along side them? Sardior not necessarily being killed outright, but splintered and shattered into several separate consciousness's? All of these would make incredible surprise lore hooks to flip the players' expectations, or make a great central tension in a campaign - maybe the party has to find the disparate pieces of Sardior's consciousness across various planes in order to bring balance back to the material plane and stop some big bad? Maybe Tiamat is the good guy in all of this, in certain campaigns, and actually helping to free her from Avernus brings back a balance to the world? Stuff like this I think is great fodder, and doesn't necessarily have to be canon in all campaigns - a poem like this can simply be one teller's interpretation of the events that happened, what they believe to be true, rather than what is actually true.
@Xaoskeeper 2 жыл бұрын
Not aimed at you, but I think people forget that none of these ideas are concrete... if DM's want to delve more into Sardior they should, or paint the other elder dragons differently they have the power to do so. People get very hung up on cannon forgetting that these ideas are spun in-game to suit the dragons who are telling these stories. The truth is up to the person shaping the narrative both in-game and as a DM.
@gatonegroloco 2 жыл бұрын
Imagine a campaign where the players try to stop someone from freeing Tiamat and finds out that their reasons are because she was done dirty and they want to right the scales.
@WardNightstone 2 жыл бұрын
the way they are described reminds me of the transformers charicter Nexus Prime who was the first combiner but the individual robots that bade him up were scatterd across the multivers
@kei2kei 2 жыл бұрын
I think it was Bahamut parlaying with the outsider gods and them offering him a place in Mount Celestia, not him asking permission to be offered a seat of power.
@derrickhaggard 2 жыл бұрын
@@kei2kei Correct Bahamut parlayed with them in order to avoid an all-out war in an attempt to ensure the safety of the 1st World, Tiamat thought Bahamut's noble heroic qualities including parlaying with the new human deities to avoid war were the "traits of a spineless coward, not a dragon god-king" and thought he didn't deserve to be her equal because of his in her eyes "cowardly actions" Sardior was the neutral one of the three stating that both Tiamat and Bahamut both made valid arguments aka stating that Tiamat was right in that Bahamut shouldn't constantly make peace when faced with a new threat, along with stating that Bahamut was right in stating that Tiamat's suggestion of pissing off the new arriving human deities and waging all-out war against them was also a bad idea.
@gatonegroloco 2 жыл бұрын
This has been nerd immersion poetry corner.
@joedan5366 2 жыл бұрын
Yes
@TheBgarland 2 жыл бұрын
A good way to start off a campaign - maybe a rendition of the tyranny of dragons
@jacobchapman8180 2 жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure some of the "echoes of other worlds" lore was back in the original AD&D Spelljammer Book, how some things are constant and have equivalents or parallels across every plane in some way. So all this stuff about Dragons just seems like an extrapolation of that, and I'm down for it. Besides, with how long campaign worlds exist, it doesn't have to contradict your own setting's lore. The echo of whatever canon dragon might have not been born yet, or lives on a far off planet that has no chance of contacting your world. And that's only if you want to connect your setting to the canon multiverse anyways. Don't see why people are mad, tbh.
@briangronberg6507 2 жыл бұрын
Interestingly "Green Fields" is also the name of halfling heaven! It's on the third layer of Mount Celestia and home to the halfling pantheon.
@Rannulfus 2 жыл бұрын
Sardior may be shattered and scattered, but I don't get the sense that he's wholey gone forever. I think you said in your stream that the story was that his destruction brought rise to the gem dragons as we know them, but perhaps there's something a little more to the line about his consciousness being scattered in miniscule fragments than just "him living on in all of his children".
@joedan5366 2 жыл бұрын
What if you make a epic boons level 20 campaign where the party are minor gods trying to bring sardior back together
@Rannulfus 2 жыл бұрын
@@joedan5366 I was actually thinking of making a whole sub class for sorcerer that somehow gains it's power from a shard of Sardior, beings that there are probably countless shards, and there's almost no way those shards aren't magically active. It's possible that gaining one could grant you sorcerer-like powers. They could even be sorcerers that are compelled to bring the shards back together once again. "Beings that devote themselves to restoring Sardior" could be a fun concept to play with.
@joedan5366 2 жыл бұрын
@@Rannulfus i would have done a warlock to get like dragon breath as one of the abilities seeing as draconic sorcerer exists
@Rannulfus 2 жыл бұрын
@@joedan5366 Yes, I considered warlock as well, but for the sorcerer subclass I was thinking of, the idea was to play less into the "draconic" aspect, and focus more on Sardior's true neutral alignment, as odd as that may sound. Like, if the most noticeable thing the shard of Sardior does to you is give you wider range of things you have natural talent in at the cost of not being incredibly awesome at any of them. A neutrality of gameplay, kind of a jack of all trades, master of none, with a slight emphasis on magic. I dunno, it's something that makes more sense in my head than it probably does on paper, and I wouldn't be surprised if something like that already exists for sorcerers and my 3.5e self just needs to do more research than I've already done. Only recently started getting heavily into D&D. They really just need to give warlocks an official draconic subclass already, that much is for sure. It's one of the main requests I keep hearing from everybody.
@joedan5366 2 жыл бұрын
@@Rannulfus you were going for the idea that sorcerers naturally are gifted at something or get extremely lucky like how a skilled archer continues to miss hitting them or how they naturally succeed at different things at the cost of spell slots I love that concept
@evilbeardedman 2 жыл бұрын
Love it. Can't wait for the release date.
@mckinneym.2743 2 жыл бұрын
Gorgeous poem, that really redefines the lore in a more tragic and nuanced light.
@Pablogst59 2 жыл бұрын
oh... WOOOOOOW!!! the hype is real
@raelysk 2 жыл бұрын
Why most people who shit over "this is new canon!!11" don't think that even different kinds of dragons has entirely different creation myths? We see this mentioned in Draconomicon and other books with several examples. As for me, this poem - is just one of many creation myths, which even sounds more like some propaganda of aspiring dragon king then actual story. Only Bahamut's origin has like 5+ different versions, which were sometimes mentioned in same books as different points of view, and repeated once in a while in different one. Also we should remember that his most loyal subjects - golden ones, have quite different version of his origin than other ones; revering him as a son of Lendys & Tamara (and that even excluding that there's really not a lot of dragons who are highly into religion). This one also sounds more like some kind of gem dragons own creation myth, which may be what it actually is.
@O4C209 2 жыл бұрын
"Wait...are we the baddies?"
@derrickhaggard 2 жыл бұрын
Technically Tiamat is the villain but you can make the argument that she wasn't totally wrong in stating that Bahamut's willingness to compromise and negotiate with the new deities in order to avoid a unnecessary war that will result in mass destruction is a bad-call that will bite him in the tail one day, along with making the argument that Bahamut is in the right for stating that Tiamat's suggestion of "pissing off all of the new deities showing up and waging all-out war against all of them" will lead to untold destruction and the deaths of a lot of innocents. So it all depends on who you think had the better solution when the new deities were showing up either Bahamut's idea of negotiating with them to avoid a unnecessary war and save everyone, or Tiamat's idea of pissing all of the new deities arriving off and waging all-out war against all of them.
@Xaoskeeper 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting... I wonder if they will touch on Io/Asgorath in the book or if they are leaving that mythology behind
@joedan5366 2 жыл бұрын
They mention him once in the book
@skittlesilly 2 жыл бұрын
or all those other dragon gods like Garyx, the red dragon god of destruction whose name sounds too similar to gary gygax
@joedan5366 2 жыл бұрын
@@skittlesilly just watch aj picketts video on dragon gods if your so inclined
@videogollumer 2 жыл бұрын
@@skittlesilly I don't think Wizards have the rights to any characters that are anagrams of Gary Gygax's name, like Zagig.
@PyraPanda 2 жыл бұрын
I personally don’t believe that the ruby dragon is gone but that’s my thoughts
@claires9563 2 жыл бұрын
Can I use this for the kids bedtime story later? 😆
@NerdImmersion 2 жыл бұрын
Sure!
@andrewdiaz3529 2 жыл бұрын
@@NerdImmersion You should do more lore poem readings.
@zaroc91 2 жыл бұрын
Sing of her fury, her vengeance. Thank you for reading that to me!
@thebridgeninja 2 жыл бұрын
*** snapping of fingers *** (thats what cool people do after a good poem right?)
@bluebird3281 2 жыл бұрын
correcto mundo daddio, your hep to the jive
@Ricardo-zo1ti 2 жыл бұрын
Does my buddy Asgorath get mentioned at all in this book?
@joedan5366 2 жыл бұрын
Once only once destroy all adamantine
@mahirislam207 2 жыл бұрын
Neat
@Calavid 2 жыл бұрын
Is this about Mystara, Abeir, or Krynn?
@derrickhaggard 2 жыл бұрын
It's about the birth and fall of the previous Universe that existed prior to the birth of the modern Multiverse the 1st World as the war between Bahamut and Tiamat the Dragonfall War resulted in the destruction of the 1st World and the birth of the Modern D&D Multiverse as we know it.
@DrAndrewJBlack 2 жыл бұрын
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@pjgavin6646 2 жыл бұрын
U skipped "worshiped by some as the platinum paladin. Sing of his journeys of seeking" by accident in paragraph 6, after "welcomed to mountains celestial,"
@omargerardolunamorales217 2 жыл бұрын
I wonder If at least Asgorath is mentioned, because well, Is the father of Bahamut and Tiamat
@joedan5366 2 жыл бұрын
He is mentioned once
@derrickhaggard 2 жыл бұрын
He is mentioned as it's mentioned that Bahamut and Tiamat were born after Asgorath/Io was injured via being cut in half vertically with Tiamat being born from the left side and Bahamut being born from the right side and neutral brother Sardior being born from Asgorath/Io's blood itself.
@joedan5366 2 жыл бұрын
@@derrickhaggard he was mentioned in a religion section on a world other then the forgotten realms I didn't know he was mention with a creation myth
@videogollumer 2 жыл бұрын
@@derrickhaggard Glad to know he wasn't cut out entirely. Is Erek-Hus, the primordial that cleaved him in two, mentioned as well?
@derrickhaggard 2 жыл бұрын
@@videogollumer Not by name but he is mentioned as the "one who by his actions help the creator give birth to the three dragon deity siblings Tiamat, Bahamut, and Sardior".
@minecastlord 2 жыл бұрын
Does this retcon Asgorath?
@joedan5366 2 жыл бұрын
He is mentioned once
@MrBlancify 2 жыл бұрын
"Partnered, they labored in acts of creation" They fucked?
@thesmilyguyguy9799 2 жыл бұрын
:)
@FrostWolfPack 2 жыл бұрын
Please telme that there is that order to dragong become elder wyrm or similiar old they combine whit their multiverse selves? please no.
@TsukuneD 2 жыл бұрын
It's always up to the DM how the specifics go, but as far as I can tell from interviews and previews; Great Wyrm Dragons don't combine or fuse with their echoes in other worlds. They, in theory can, but they simply become aware of those echoes. The more refined a Great Wyrm's Dragonsight becomes, the more in tune with their echoes they become, and the more powerful. But unless the dragon in question wants to ascent into godhood like Bahamut or Tiamat, they don't become a single entity.
@joedan5366 2 жыл бұрын
You could also watch his livestream
@TheCrimsonElite666 2 жыл бұрын
I noticed that the First World appears to be inspired by Lordran from Dark Souls. Both worlds were once ruled by dragons, until the gods and mortals rose up and took the land for themselves. I believe that if we ever get the ruins of the First World as one of the new settings, it's going to be a dark fantasy setting that's like Dark Souls.
@Dragowolf_Rising 2 жыл бұрын
I think it has some Skyrim to it as well. A lot of the new lore parallels stuff from that iteration of Elder Scrolls. Maybe I'll make a dragon patron who teaches "shouts" (bonus spells) in exchange for service.
@TheCrimsonElite666 2 жыл бұрын
@@Dragowolf_Rising I've also noticed that some of the new lore in 5e is similar to TES in certain areas. The Duergar in MToF have become similar to the Dwemer with their new focus on robotics and technology. The new lore for the Drow having separate different cultures is kind of similar to the Dunmer houses from Morrowind.
@Dragowolf_Rising 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheCrimsonElite666 It's kind of funny because ES has been so influenced by D&D among other things through the years and now it is flipped.
@TheCrimsonElite666 2 жыл бұрын
@@Dragowolf_Rising Indeed, although I can appreciate that D&D is at least putting it's own spin on these influences. Even Critical Role seems to be influenced by TES, to the point where Matt Mercer uses tracks from Skyrim, Oblivion, and even Morrowind whenever he's DMing.
@noahholderman5725 2 жыл бұрын
So basically Bahamut rolled over for the new gods and Tiamat still hates them, which is why Tiamat is evil and Bahamut good... idk, leaves a bit of a bad taste in my mouth even though it isn’t a bad idea
@derrickhaggard 2 жыл бұрын
Kind of still fits with the old 3.5 lore which stated that Tiamat's hatred for Bahamut and later everything and everyone and fall into darkness originated cause she thought Bahamut's noble qualities including willing to make compromises, and negotiate with the new deities in an attempt to reach a peaceful conclusion and avoid unnecessary bloodshed to keep everyone alive were the traits of a "weak-willed spineless coward not a mighty dragon god-king" and therefore thought he was not worthy of being consider her equal. And after several failed attempts to make Bahamut look bad, and get him wrongfully exiled resulted in her exile she made a declaration that cemented her turn to the dark-side aka cursing Bahamut and the heroic deities he was now allied with and vowing to destroy them and everything they stand for.
@Hey-Its-Dingo 2 жыл бұрын
It's something that SHOULD leave a bad taste in your mouth. This is usually how divine matters were solved in many polytheistic religions, one god chose to ally with the new ones over their old divine family, and said family resents them now, even though they are praised as grand heroes by worshippers of those new gods.
@derrickhaggard 2 жыл бұрын
@@Hey-Its-Dingo Well according to the bits of lore given in Fizban's that DM's can use to make their own canon before his offscreen "death" post Dragonfall War Sardior actually viewed things from both perspectives aka he agreed that Bahamut's peacefully parlay with the new human deities could lead to disaster in the long run, but he also stated that Tiamat's "warmongering" attitude against the new human deities would also bring ruin to the 1st World.
@roleplayerchadwick 2 жыл бұрын
Cheese
@devincaswell4116 2 жыл бұрын
Sing, but remember your not a Song Dragon, because they don’t exist. Sorry Ted. P.S. I refuse this canon, it’s worse than the alternatives. Home brew plus third party material seems the way to go these days…
@MrCowboy6588 2 жыл бұрын
Keep in mind that this is a poem, and that its only the perspective of the writer of said poem. WotC does stuff like this to show you different perspectives, not to cement things in stone as canon in the forgotten realms mythos. This is simply a retelling of long gone events that is meant to seed ideas in your mind as a DM, rather than over-rule previous lore or flip the table.
@joedan5366 2 жыл бұрын
Just cherry pick what you want Canon is what you make it Edit rip mrrhex steel dragon video it is pointless now
@devincaswell4116 2 жыл бұрын
I typed this jovially, more of a jest, I’m not angry or upset. I like Io and his isles, and agree the draconomicon was more to my liking as well. I just use what I like. When material comes out for the game, I prefer it adds onto existing content, rather than taking away. Everyone has there own opinions obviously. Hope you all have fun.
@joedan5366 2 жыл бұрын
@@devincaswell4116 I am a little upset that they murdered by baby steel dragons merging with divine essence and all I like phisbans hollow dragons and adding gem dragons updating dragonborn But I want rippelbark and the laughing worm in 5e it isn't the end of the world mind you but I will take phisbans for what it is
@kashinkenobi3009 2 жыл бұрын
Wish you would have talked about it to rather then just read it. Like dissect it a little.
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