Or, probably worse, the following was heard I a science lab one day: “well… we’ve managed to contain a micro black hole in this corrugated tube. Does anyone know what we do next?”. I mean it’s not as if you can just flush it down a sink and run for it or leave it to the grad student is it, someone’s gonna notice….

it is their power scource that is actually more stable than a warp core but if it goes wrong well that instance it will be 5 times worse when a warpcore breach

I mean, if properly utilized a black hole is the perfect power source. But the Romulans didn't do it right at all.

There's at least one other Sci-Fi property that uses black holes... The Commonwealth/Humanx/Flinx books by Alan Dean Foster. In that canon, the black hole serves as the propulsion, inertial compensator, AND defensive shield, all in one. The theory is that the ships PROJECT a black hole in front of them, turn it off, turn it back on at the original distance from the ship, repeat millions of times per second... In effect, the ship is always "falling into" a massive gravity well... which EATS... ANYTHING it runs into. Massive accel, without the "squishies getting squished", because they and the ship are always being pulled in the same direction at the same rate at the same time. I don't think it's actually mentioned in any of the books, but just for shits and grins... It even cleans up after itself... no pollution. Of course, it's a little "problematic" being able to see where you're going. IIRC, this wasn't their method of FTL travel, just their way of getting around at sub-light speeds... but it's been a LONG time since I read any of those books... Hmm... I may have to go back and read them again...

@@nyetzdyec3391 I have a new favorite for "Ridiculous Yet Awesome Way to Use Blackholes".

And it still lacks guns it could have had.

so the moral is never tell a Klingon you have a bigger gun?? wait that sounds more like lesson 75 of life.... never brag to any woman that your gun is bigger than the other guy's......and you know what I mean by gun right?? lolz

Oh, I didn't say that their "most advanced" medal lasted long. Just that they had it. Arguably briefly.

And the Federation militarizing had a very subtle threat too. They didn't class their offensive ships as war ships, but as escort ships. If I understand it correctly, an escort ship is a smaller, weaker version if a warship designed to protect civilian ships. So even after militarizing, the Federation was warning their enemies that this isn't what the Federation looks like on a war path, and you don't want to see what they would be.

@@thomasjenkins5727 the first hint the entire galaxy got that the Federation were NOT to be fucked with was the discovery that they did not, in fact, classify their ships as "Cruisers" or "Battlecruisers" or "Frigates" like the klingons or other species did. they were classified by their mission role. hell, the Enterprise in TNG was one few exceptions, they were straight up classified as "Constitution-Class Cruisers." fun fact, the Klingons did in fact take note of this and were rightfully wary, as a Constitution could quite handily fuck over the D7 Battlecruiser and make it look easy---itself was actually an import FROM the Klingons, TO the Romulans, because they at the time didn't actually have too many heavier ships. (they were working on that.) Cue the Defiant, which the klingons noted REALLY DAMN FAST was a warship designed from the keel up for a fight, and more importantly it didn't go unnoticed that it was designed to KILL BORG. not fight borg. KILL borg. those quad phaser cannons? every single shot that comes from every single barrel fires on a different frequency to screw over adaptation. this has the other effect of screwing over shield modulation on other people as well. in STO, everyone in the alpha quadrant found out the hard way what really happens when you piss off the federation enough that THEY, declare war, on YOU. the klingons were getting the shit beaten out of them for the longest time, and the ships only got worse and worse until the Federation unveiled the Odyssey-Class Dreadnaught. those things are **absurdly** armed and well equipped and not an inch is wasted on a ship over 1 KILOMETER long, capable of maintaining (or combining) three phaser beams in the front and aft arcs due to it's insane power output. most folks that "Upset" one found out the hard way it's capable of engaging no less than 6 targets at once via Broadside, or one unfortunate victim was getting six barrels compressed into 2 and getting slammed like a redheaded stepchild. in the current prologue to STO, you're put in charge of a retrofitted Miranda class. the game notes that these are something of a meme, but also points out the thing carries a whopping 6 dual phaser banks on the primary hull, the twin Heavy Phasers on the "Roll Bar", and the torpedo launcher is forward and aft which isn't always the case for a ship that small. now mechanically gamewise it's the first ship, and you only have 1 aft weapon slot and 2 forward ones, but lore-wise? the Miranda is literally designed to just unload on something. the Federation doesn't make warships? my ass!

wasn't that exactly how in ds9 they managed or at least tried to take on a jen hodor warship ?

Haha that happens in Star Trek Armada, but just the intro. Worf's commanding the Pimp Slap, going up to a Romulan double Ds warbird and goes into the giant gap, drops mines into and peaces the hell out as it blows up.

Watch Star Trek Renegades (fan film) A defiant exploits that gap

Tuvok from Voyager paid for it and directed it, if I remember correctly. It was supposed to have a pt2, but CBS went extra Authoritarian after the Axanar lawsuit

You would have to get inside the Romulan's shield bubble, after surviving disrupter fire to get there, and surviving disrupter fire while there. I only watched TNG back in the 90's but I loved the D'didderedoo and wondered about protecting the hole. Then one episode Picard convinced a Romulan to blast something small approaching the D'deridex. They fired a disrupter from the top inside of the cavity near the engineering section.

Actually yeah, that is a good rationale for it. Like outfitting an operative with a poison tooth. Very Romulan. Safety of ship and crew?👎 Keeping the jumbo mollusk recipe secret at all costs? 😘

I figure instead of sucking it in the uncontained quantum regularity would be like a constant atomic bomb because of the Hawking radiation producing petawatts of energy. Part of the containment would involve feeding part of this energy back into the singularity which is why it can't be shut down.

There was a scene in which the Enterprise D was staring down 2 of these things and it was noted that while 2 could probably take out the Galaxy Class, theyw ould know they were in a fight, and then 3 Klingon Birds of Prey decloacked shifting the balance more toward the Galaxy Class. What I love about that scene was the placement of the reinfocements. 1 behind each warbird and 1 above and behind the enterprise.

Well, the gravity from the black hole is pretty much a non-issue; it's too small. If it gets loose, however, you've got a lot of gamma rays flying around sections of the ship that aren't designed for it... and little power to put up any internal shields.

I don't know if it would be be primarily Gamma. but you likely wouldn't have time to care with megatons worth of of energy being emitted.

Just like that race of tacticians that have not known war because everyone is to scared to even try.

picard himself said a few shots and we're ashes in a episode

Kind of like the Empire from Star Wars, big and intimidating to scare people into not wanting to fight. Do not think I have ever scene an example in any media where that actually worked.

I pointed out the same thing in my mini essay above, it's just that I started writing before you posted, and finished after you posted … as I added in a lot of extraneous crap as I tend to overwrite and be too wordy and just go on and on about a … … _I'm doing it again, aren't I ?_

@@casbot71, it's good to meet a fellow Romulan among Starfleet and Klingon fan boys.

@@enoughothis romulans are pretty damn cool

Which is why they should have added additional disruptors along the inner edges of the wings. If there's one thing the Double D has, it's power.

Great. Sit there and watch for years as your crew slowly turn into quivering bowls of paranoid jelly because they know there is a freaking black hole 3 decks down from their bedroom. Seriously though, if the darn thing had the firepower to turn a Galaxy class into scrap right quick it wouldn’t be so silly. Instead it’s the equivalent size of a super tanker with the firepower of a Corvette.

As others have mentioned, the reason for the space was because some versions of warp tech require that there be an unobstructed path between the nacelles. Unfortunately, Start Trek suffers from some writers and designers really caring about having reasons that make sense for their cool designs and those that don't care.

Making it a ST version of the Venator would be impressive, carry all the fighters it can and keep the smaller ships protected

@@arthurmoore9488 It doesn't really "require" free space between the nacelles (since it doesn't actually require two nacelles at all) but it's much easier to not deal with the ionizing radiation that is created when the warp field is forming by having it occur in empty space than it is to build systems to deal with it inside the vessel.

@@andrewmalinowski6673 Fighters are generally not a viable option in trek. Even the fighters we do see in TNG and DS9 are pretty huge. Phasers are just that good at self defense you need a fairly large powerplant and shield generator. Then again modern jetfighters are also way bigger than you expect and may actually be bigger than the Runaboats and fighters.

i could see that happening.

Certainly more reasonable than "deliberate design".

The D'Deridex is older than the Galaxy. Enterprise-C died to four of them. It may have been a panic response to the _Ambassador_ class, though.

Mostly depends on how massive the singularity is. If it's a hyper-compressed Buick, the planet in question can pretty much ignore it, but if its closer to a planetary mass (the Ceres to Pluto range for instance) that sucker could do some real damage. With the infinite density of a singularity it could punch right through a planet and not even slow down ... and if it has enough mass of its own it could take some of the planet with it as it passes.

In the instances where we see these go up in video games, they basically eat themselves and then spit out a puff of Hawking radiation, so they're small.

@@Reddotzebra Yeah, I love watching that in STO. Sadly the physics of it are kind of hand-wavy. To wad up the ship you'd need a considerable gravitational force, which requires mass, but to just blow up and not pull in everything around it for the next few millennia requires the singularity to be very low mass. I generally chalk it up to the singularity cores being ultimately unstable and some of the crunch effect coming from their own containment systems as the whole mess goes critical.

WE'RE TAKING YOU WITH US.

I figure the Romulans did not have a large supply of dilithium crystals so they developed their own energy source that did not need them as much. As for the size it's a war ship so it's probably made to deliver an army like the ISD in Starwars.

Re: Power levels. If _TNG_ had somehow come after _B5_ and the CGI was there they would've been able to have more than one model of Romulan warship. Instead, no matter what the story called for, the _D'deridex_ is what showed up on screen.

Called it!

Yes you could do it but by the rulles the D'Deridex's warp drive and power plant work under that would not be very healthy. Shince all the warp sheire of the enginse is funnled into that gap and into the micro singularity. so you would fly in and then get sucked into the ships black hole..... wow non-weapon kill there for the big D.

actually, it's worse. it whent into station keeping..then rotated. Causing the warbird to rip itself apart.

Haha no way, I love his novels, can you remember which one?

@@ricardioscarbonara102 "The Return" by William Shatner, Judith Reeves-Stevens & Garfield Reeves-Stevens

@@WhiteScarsEmo why thank you :-)

I read the same book and will concur.

"Fuckit. I'm the man overboard. Fuckoff."

Didn't a prototype Prometheus rip one to shred? How the hell didn't the black hole cause issues?

Not alone it didn't, it had two Defiant class and at least one other Federation ship helping @@andrewmalinowski6673. If memory serves, the quantum singularity is "only" a micro black hole, so when the drive explodes the resulting destruction really isn't any more widespread than a warp core breach would be before it annihilates itself.

Antimatter is darn reactive and so in reality it would be way easier to contain artificial black hole than the amount of antimatter needed for long range travel. Any battle damage to antimatter containment would lead to a very bright flash that leaves nothing behind...

That... that explains so much about Romulan ship design. No matter how powerful the ship is, it's not meant to be used for a prolonged battle. It's meant for surprise strikes and covert reconnaissance. The battleship-grade weapons and shields are just the right tools for what they're meant to pop out of stealth and kill.

I've always used the Dee too

I think the writers had a rule that the first time someone pronounces a name is the canon pronunciation, for instance Data will always be "Day-tuh" because Patrick Stewart said it first and he's British.

Funny how the features that make for a good exploration vessel that's capable of defending itself also make for a good cruiser-class warship. Particularly when a couple of your early enemies make heavy use of cloaking devices, and sensors capable of gathering detailed information about strange phenomena also happen to be good at detecting strange phenomena that happen to be imperfections in a cloaking field. I think everyone in-universe knows that Starfleet is structured so it can become a military in the time it takes to recall all the exploration ships, but the ships being designed as long-distance exploration vessels means they can have a large fleet without other powers assuming that the only reason they'd have so many is to attack someone. Which helps to avoid self-fulfilling prophecies that lead to war (like what happened with the British and German navies in the leadup to WW1). Particularly if everyone else can see that everything that Starfleet has that isn't required for peacetime security operations is out exploring the edges of known space rather than massing for a surprise attack. Which means that the Federation can make itself a polity with a large enough military that nobody wants to attack it, while reducing fears that the Federation is planning to use that fleet against anyone else without provocation.

@@Draxynnic I like this explanation, even if it smells like something you put _far_ more thought into than the show's writers.

@@boobah5643 I think it's actually implicit in the show. Starfleet still have military ranks. They're obviously trained to fight, even if they're also not trained to view it as a first resort. And they've been in enough wars to know they need a combat fleet in being - they might be idealists, but they're not stupid. But building it as an exploration fleet first has double value - it allows the Federation to have one of the biggest fleets in the quadrant while minimising the chance of it being interpreted as an aggressive move, and they genuinely are interested in exploration. Even in the Original Series, there are episodes where the Enterprise has clearly been seconded to the sort of mission you'd normally send a warship on in a cold-war-esque political environment, before returning to the exploration mission.

Technically, the Venator is the oversized space carrier, hardly any of the craft aboard are actually aerial (unless in-atmosphere). The great Venator of "come kick my ass while I stand ominously and launch all the rubber bands I have" (sorry, but there was a Geetsly's or EckhartsLadder video about how badly used they were). Would actually love to hear the breakdown given how badly designed and used the Venator was, despite it's air support role

Star Wars does have a weird habit of the "do everything ship" but alas they usually suck at the "jack of all trades " but excel at the "master of none." Honestly the Victory Class being the mainline slugger while the Venator served as fighter and bomber support and maybe some long range fire would have probably worked great since it could sit behind the defensive screens of the other ships and focus on its job instead of trying to play Battlestar without the shields, armor, offensive or defensive firepower to do so. Imperial Star Destroyers went too far in the opposite direction struggling terribly in the quality and capabilities of being a carrier and the TIE line in general being woefully inadequate. Weirdly the only ships that get worse decent balance are some of the Mon Calas, the First Order Resurgent Class and the Star Destroyers built by the New Republic in the Expanded Universe.

@@lordfrostwind3151 I like the Harrower Class from the Old Republic

There's no *obvious* advantage. Maybe you want the shield emitters close to the warp bubble envelope all around the ship. Maybe having the artificial gravity mcguffins at that distance is best. Maybe the cloaking of the singularity is improved by having the cloaking field emitters paired on opposite sides of the thing that's hardest to cloak. Maybe it's for modularity. Except that building two half hulls that are ALMOST identical (ever so slightly off in shape, and also aligned with gravity pointing in opposite directions) offers no manufacturing advantage (except for the kitbashers in the studio, who can just slightly melt the underside and bend it into shape). The only advantage of having two almost identical modules would be in the designing stage. Which informs my new head canon: Someone was given the amount of crew this would have to acomodate, did all the deck layouts based off of that and structural calculations to suit and then got told: "Oh, by the way, that was the amount for a single one of the 2 shifts". So instead of redesigning the whole thing from scratch, they just took their finished deck layouts, stacked them in the opposite order, and flipped the hull plating and internal structure that hold them together. Which doubled up the amount of living quarters they could provide.

It doesn't make it easier to hit...in the type of engagements they like to get into. Romulans don't present the back or belly of their warships (not the D'deridex, anyway) and fight in head-on confrontations (at least after they uncloak in your blind spot and try to kill you outright first.). This means the Warbird has a surprisingly small forward profile with a lot of empty space for shots to pass through (Tactical Computers are by no means infallible in the Trek Universe...ships miss literally all the time.) It's no different than the long necks on Klingon ships making a nearly impossible target as they fight in their preferred style of making passes and coming about for another attack.

@@Pystro Actually, the reason I read somewhere for the design is that Romulans are Paranoid and half a ship is Military Intelligence; the hull style allows for the Navy to be separated and isolated from Intelligence (and each other) to prevent plots, schemes, and betrayals since the points where individuals can pass from one section of the ship to the other are extremely limited and easily surveilled.

The primary intent of having a huge power source is for cloaking and shields. It is exactly that big to contain their power source and keep it finely tuned to prevent an enemy from tracking it. That is the advantage. It can cross into federation space with near impunity. It might be slower but it can go farther while being undetected. Can't hit a ship when you can't lock on to your target. If the Romulans ever figure out how to shoot while cloaked, then the Federation, the Klingons, the dominion and maybe even the Borg are defenseless

@@shimata17 It's been a while since I've seen the final Next Generation movie; but, wasn't the Scimitar able to fire while cloaked?

@@spartanx9293 No, I don't.

@@spartanx9293 no.

In response may I direct your attention to NASA trying (and as of the time of writing failing) to reuse old shuttle engine tech on their latest firework-to-be because of… reasons. I will guarantee you that every single engineering & design department of every species / political force with space travel in the alpha quadrant has a small soundproof room in which to scream out their frustrations at the latest enforced decision by Thos Who Must Be Obeyed (for they control the budget).

@@smiddlehurst1 All too True, but Let us remember that outside of their version of space elves in B5 Human shups are VERY simple yet functional in design. Even when they did get artificial gravity, they still continues to build and I quote "Flying bricks" And let me tell you this an ICN warship is exactly that with rounded ends. Simple efficient and holy hell do we pack the guns and missle tubes into it.

@@iclisious ah but there’s one critical difference…. B5 Humans are broke. The one time they ticked all the option boxes the damn station vanished into a time warp doohickey before they even got to use it! Style costs money which means less turrets and that just don’t make sense!

oh come on the borg just didn't pay the dockmaster his fees and were cubed.

The designs are strictly for the audience to be able to easily identify which ship is who's. All purpose built designs tend toward conformity. That's why all toasters look alike. There is one optimal design for something that toasts bread. All purpose built war ships should end up looking alike. But watching a space battle where the audience would have to identify small details to figure out which ship is which would be boring and confusing.

I was going to point out the _Line of Sight rule_ with regard to nacelle design back then, but @Spartan X92 already posted something about that. And the reason that later ships (like the Defiant) don't obey that rule is because of *in universe* technological breakthroughs. They have dual warp nacelles in each "nacelle" so they still maintain line of sight, and there's new alloys that prevent the crew getting irradiated in the case of the Defiant. But a lot of "winged" ships still have the line of sight rule, it's just that they have them off centre on the vertical plane, and somehow counterbalance it out so the ship doesn't pitch up or down. So if you accept the Line of Sight Rule as a absolute necessity [BTW Gene Roddenberry was still alive when the D'deridex was designed, so he had final say … and did you notice how TNG improved soon after he died?], then the D'deridex is a very logical and well laid out design for a two separate warp nacelle ship in that it's reasonably well balanced with the Warp nacelles on the centre mass line, and held securely to the ship by more than flimsy pylons that require structural integrity fields to keep from flying off.

Ditto, black holes are like stars, unless they are scaled way up, they can't sustain themselves at all.

Black holes don't sustain themselves forever, either. It's just that the bigger the black hole, the slower they evaporate (in both relative and, as I understand it, absolute terms.) A black hole the mass of the entire Milky Way would take... something like millions or billions of times longer than the current accepted age of the universe to evaporate completely.

or a Fortress Class Vessel or the sheer MADNESS that is a Xeelee Nightfighter

Oh, it'll fit, you just need to leave it parked for 24:01. After that, it'll fit in a broom closet.

@@blackc1479 very true. All cubes even the borg cubes get compressed.

i disagree it is an amazing warship and could wiped anything in the quadrant based on what they knew . and they were right till the Galaxy arrived and since it took way too much Research to just replace warbirds and they werent that bad they stuck by them and refitted them a bit till the dominion war showed them their age and weaknesses

It's appropriate.

like Ent-d in "Yesterday's Enterprise?"

Rather thought it was implied.

Glad you enjoy it!

IIRC the singularity isn't stable and a containment breach would result in it rapidly devouring all matter around it (aka the ship) shortly followed by a explosive collapse.

@@bjoernusw5195 This is exactly what we see every time they are destroyed in expanded lore.

In Timescape the temporal distortions were caused by the aliens whom decided to put their eggs into the core, so that's hardly a good example.

@@Reddotzebra True, I had forgotten that the time distortion was caused by the aliens and not the reactor going wibbly.

@@bjoernusw5195 Small black holes (well, any black hole, really) aren't stable. They produce Hawking radiation, and that process converts black hole mass into gamma rays. The smaller the black hole, the more radiation it produces and the faster it evaporates. Nobody is quite sure what happens when the mass gets too low to be a black hole anymore, just that it gets really hot just before then.

... kinky?

@@SacredCowShipyards Hmm. The tail looks gently curved in that image. (Literal-minded!)

there was that incident with those time displacement aliens that tried to use the singularity generator as an incubator. it may also just be cheaper to use regular warp drives if you are mass building an upgraded fleet.

I mean depending on what definition your using a Frigate could be second only to full fledged battleship. Frigates were originally lower rate ships of the line (battleships) and meant to slug it out on the front lines of formations.

@@vonfaustien3957 I'm using the Templin Institute definitions as they seem the most thorough. Granted, frigates were ships of the line in the 17-1800s but that was also a time when the largest ship was roughly equivalent to a modern destroyer and those things are tiny. I would never use a carrier group or dreadnaught for an exploration mission, simply too big, slow, and expensive for lengthy, unsupported missions. Unless we are dealing with a seedship/colony ship, at least. Battleships are also generally too big and slow to be able to jump in and out of firefights. Cruisers, though, have decent armaments, good armor, and are generally still agile and fast enough to get out of trouble. For example, the BC-304 Daedalus class from Stargate: mid-sized, has a fighter complement, the railguns are a good point defense grid, and the Asgard plasma beams are excellent anti-capship weapons. Add in the ability to beam nukes, subspace comms, and the small crew complement and you have an excellent exploration ship. The only thing missing is to convert a nacelle into a factory/refinery to replace fighters and repair battle damage.

@@nathanaelspurlin2234 Frigates of the Age of Sail weren't ships of the line; they were the big, square-rigged warships that were _not_ in the line of battle, roughly equivalent to the cruisers of the World Wars.

@@boobah5643 Thank you for the correction. I often get frigates and galleons confused, not really sure why.

I suspect it was troll bait to see who commented before watching to the end. :)

@@PromptCriticalJello Turns out: damned near everyone.

I am /very/ happy to say that, in my 'verse, Discovery never happened.

You just drop out of cloak, grab them with the tractor beam and light them up!

@@Reddotzebra they tried that, its just made the federation mad and the feds sicked james kirk on them.

Yeah, Starfleet's doctrine was that they knew very well that their ships made effective enough warships based on the need to defend themselves, just that their policy of exploration being the primary role meant that their ships tended to prioritise speed, endurance, and sensors (but since these are all useful things in warfare as well, they still made suitable warships as long as they also had sufficient firepower and durability). The main thing that distinguished the Defiant-class as a purpose-built warship was that it was too small to be suitable for long cruises and therefore couldn't be repurposed back to an exploration mission after the conflict was resolved.

Did STO ever fix the enguagement range issue (as in waaaaay to short).

@@Krahazik yes engagement range is 10 Km( twice ship full length in diameter).

Irl you could feed it anything, so it would be the most versatile engine possible - able to use literally anything as fuel, which it will convert 100% to energy, even just give it the waste from the ship. Perfect for exploring and long-duration missions without support (which kinda sounds like it would be most ideal for Starfleet actually).

It doesn't consume less fuel. It's just that is can be fueled by literal trash while antimatter has to be manufactured via a presumedly expensive process.

@@zephyrprime You're assuming antimatter fuel doesn't cost any more to create than the matter fuel fed into either the black hole or the anti-matter reactor. This seems unlikely.

@@boobah5643 I KNOW it cost chump change to fuel the black hole because you can literally just piss into a black hole to fuel it. The only cost would be the upfront creation cost which might be high.

Well, particle/anti-particle pairs pop into existence everywhere, all the time. The catch is that when this happens next to the event horizon of a black hole, sometimes one of these particles hits the black hole before they can collide and annihilate each other, leaving the other one intact. The one that's absorbed has negative mass, making the black hole smaller, while the survivor zooms off as a gamma ray.

Only if it was at the Romulan Empire's expense.

Can't recommend Isaac's channel enough btw, everyone who loves sci fi you won't regret checking it out

A smaller black hole evaporates at a higher rate than a bigger black hole. That is all. It still wouldn't give off that much energy due to its small mass. A bigger black hole would still radiate more energy than a smaller one even if it does so at a lower rate. A 1kg black hole can never give off more energy than 1.01kg of antimatter+matter.

@@zephyrprime And that evaporation is in the form of energy/radiation, specifically and predominantly, Hawking radiation. If you know how to turn that into electricity, the smaller your black hole, the more electricity you can generate per second and per unit of mass fed to that black hole to keep it from dissipating entirely and continuing the "reaction." You wind up getting more energy out of a black hole reactor than you do out of a matter-anti-matter reactor, but not as much as a zero point/vacuum energy generator.

T'varo forever....

From what I've seen of the design, I'm not seeing what you're referring to. It resembles a far more streamlined Vor'Cha in the end.

@@SacredCowShipyards It's there but it's so small it's only visible from the back or the front. it's mostly covered by the impulse drive but there's a pair of panels (one per side) that go from the main hull to the wings leaving a small void space there that seems to have no purpose other then to tie the Vardore to the double D. EDIT:When you start looking for design similarities the Valdore starts looking like a D'deredex that ended up in a press and got flattened.

Maybe it's just me, but I'm pretty sure those are more intakes (which... well, I'm not sure the Romulans have Bussard scoops, so they might need literal intakes) rather than... weird-assed holes in their ships. Dunno, though. Not sure we ever got a clear enough shot at it.

@@SacredCowShipyards Not in the movie no, there's no shot from a good angle on a light background and since the ship is dark green minor details get lost but the ship in question has been used in official materials so the there's plenty of shop of it online and they're not in-takes as you can see thru them. And those secondary "wings" are a consistent design feature. Also the Valdore has Bussard scoops it's the green section at the tip of the Nacelles.

Hell of a propaganda wing, that.

@@SacredCowShipyards Indeed.

Or from Mechanicus. Either way.

@@SacredCowShipyards I have yet to see Romulans worshipping a machine spirit or the Omnissaiah. Therefore, the Mechanicus angle might not really be viable.

@@Schnittertm1 I didn't think the implication was that they'd joined the Omnissiah's cult, but rather that the xenophobic and technophilic Mechanicus left an unfavorable impression.

They had no problem with the AI doctor in Voyager, and apparently more than a few Romulan scientists wanted more than a look at Data's schematics.

I can’t get any of it together anymore more but I‘ve come across a theoretical way energy could be harvested from a black hole by feeding it matter. I mean no has a black hole or the equipment to test said theory but there at least appears to be a theoretical way to get energy from a black hole

You can get energy out of a rotating black hole by firing light through the ergosphere; a region of spacetime near the black hole that rotates extremely quickly. Some of the rotational energy of the black hole is conferred to the light, causing it to gain energy. By surrounding the singularity with mirrors, this light would continue to bounce around the black hole and siphon off more and more energy. Kurzgesagt has a great video on the effect.

@@Jenozie99 There are two ways to get power from a black hole, one is Hawking radiation (Which we are unsure if it exists.), the other we know for sure that would be technically possible, is by throwing matter into that spot where only part of it would be absorbed, the remainder would shoot out with more power as it was sent in. I do not have the exact numbers, but the energy efficiency you could theoretically get from that, is way above fission of fusion for the same mass. (But it should not be above matter-antimatter annihiliation.)

One hopes.

That was a great watch. Thanks.

While true... why no make it wee-er?

We're talking teeny tiny black holes, as in atom sized. It's just not that massive. The real problems are from the Hawking radiation powering that powers the ship, not the gravitational effects that are negligible as long as you don't eat it (which you can't, because the radiation would toast you first.)

#winning

Don't quote me on this but I think the thrusters or the things that make the ship move in space or on the back of the saucer section the pylons are just for the warp engines and that just creates the warp bubble so there's no actual Force being applied

It's not clear that the nacelles impart force or rather create the warp bubble that the ship lives inside of while at high speed, but... yeah. ... yeah.

Which explains why the Romulans know things about cloaked warfare nobody else does and the Starfleet has sensors that are patently ridiculous in their range and comprehensiveness.

I rather thought y'all would figure that.

My mother used to sing this song to me when I was little. Thus why I'm still so excited by it. I loved the video by the way, thank you for putting out such a wonderful video. (As always)

Glad it all worked together :).

"Goddamnit, WHICH PLATE am I IN?"

Heck, that rule was abandoned while Roddenberry was still in charge.

And without being billed for it, even!

@@SacredCowShipyards The nerve of some people.