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【第十一講】吳靄儀:金庸.查良鏞--江湖與現實

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Brew Note 文化沙龍第十一講
題目:金庸.查良鏞--江湖與現實
講者:吳靄儀
主持:周保松
日期:2018年11月10日(星期六)
時間:7:00-9:00pm
地點:北角堡壘街19號地下
(海報設計:林道群)

Пікірлер: 37
@tailunghung3264
@tailunghung3264 Жыл бұрын
四年後才見到這個視頻, 真是非常精彩,多謝上載。 今後恐難再見這些聚會。
@KemptonLam
@KemptonLam 5 жыл бұрын
0:00 周保松’s Introduction (NOTE: this is only a partial list of topics and NOT a full breakdown. It gives me quick access and I hope it helps you too.) 4:08 吳靄儀’s (Margaret) planned talk begin 11:35 Margaret mentions John Minford's (English co-translator of 鹿鼎記 The Deer and the Cauldron) Ming Pao tribute "To Mark the Passing of Louis Cha". 29:34 金庸 and 功夫/芭蕾舞 35:40 金庸's revisions including the 明河版 version 41:25 查良鏞's book of editorials (1980-84) 52:50 Ming Pao as the only HK newspaper allowed in China 58:02 Cha's decision of resigning as a 基本法草委 1:08:05 Margaret’s planned talk end 1:08:10 周保松’s comments 1:14:18 吳靄儀’s reply to 周保松’s comments 1:15:02 Beginning of Q&As 1:16:28 Cha's business approach as a newspaper owner: "hard-nosed", salary unfairness 1:20:23 區家麟’s question re "查良鏞曾經講過, 報紙是老闆的私器" How did Ming Pao reporters react? 1:22:20 to 1:26:06 新華社社長許家屯聲稱有人"不按本子辦事". Cha wrote an editorial of which Margaret refuted point-by-point with her own 3000 - 4000 words articles. 1:40:45 The dubious practice of Cha "interviewing" himself 1:48:26 Cha's own views and his possibly unintended/unplanned inspirations for his employees 1:55:45 Democracy is taken and never given (恩賜) 1:58:30 Long comment/question by 周保松 2:02:10 Margaret talking about her creating the first political news section in HK newspapers (in Ming Pao) and she set its 政治新聞大綱 2:06:50 程翔’s comments (including what led to his 3 years imprisonment relating to a article written by 查良鏞) 2:20:44 吳靄儀’s discussion with 程翔 2:24:27 區家麟’s question for 程翔 re 查良鏞’s change of mind after being received by 鄧小平 2:24:35 程翔’s reply to 區家麟’s question 2:26:21 Margaret re 程翔的癡心 2:27:32 周保松’s comoment re 金庸小說在大陸的出版 2:27:45 程翔’s comment re 中國新聞社(中新社)(”開小灶”=特別照顧的意思?). 專門為明報提供獨家新聞 2:29:03 Margaret’s concluding remarks 2:31:14 周保松 concludes the meeting with a reading from 神雕俠侶 P.S. Margaret, Thanks for sharing your insight. 保松, Thanks you and Brew Note for hosting. Ed, Thanks for processing and posting the video so quickly! The processing of the 143 minutes must have taken many hours even on a fast machine and the uploading must have taken many hours as well!
@KemptonLam
@KemptonLam 5 жыл бұрын
P.P.S. For those interested, I recommend watching HKTDC 2006 video of 金庸先生 answering some very good questions (香港書展2006: 金庸與讀者座談會 (回顧)). In some answers, we can see "Jin Young the myth" (borrowing Margaret's words) explaining/excusing his own new revisions. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/iNKIopSamN_Qk3U.html In one of his answers, he refused a questioner's earnest request of publishing the original newspaper editions of his fictions. The host even "cutely" (some may argue rudely/ignorantly) analogized the request as something akin to "問瘦身之後的女士, 攞瘦身之前嘅相" (something similar). I wished 金庸先生 had not minded letting newer readers read his original works (newspaper editions) for enjoyment/study. But 金庸先生 DID (at least as I understood or twisted it) implicitly allowed/even encouraged people to find and pirate his newspaper editions to read themselves!
@vvlau6133
@vvlau6133 3 жыл бұрын
好精彩👍👍直話直說,唔刻意吹捧唔刻意踩,非常符合佢不斷強調自己西化討論問題嘅方法!其實查生冇人格分裂,從講者講嘅內容分析來睇,由生意,寫作,政治,佢都係一直好現實嘅utilitarianism。好多逃過來香港嘅人同「收成期嘅人」都係咁嘅思想
@user-dv5rm7fn6i
@user-dv5rm7fn6i 5 жыл бұрын
一)这次沙笼之所以比我看过的其他沙笼都精彩、原因是吴小姐依心想而直言:无刻意推护某组织或个人。亦无刻意贬低。很真实。加上程翔先生插话则锦上添花了。而且重点不在小说而在论金其人。极其符合沙笼的宗旨。
@andyshao8367
@andyshao8367 3 жыл бұрын
沒有明君,儒家的抱負無法付之於行。現實的艱難,一廂情願也就變成一種必然...
@vincentlo126
@vincentlo126 3 жыл бұрын
分析得好中肯✅
@leyaoyu7376
@leyaoyu7376 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing!
@yanlee8423
@yanlee8423 3 жыл бұрын
多謝🙏
@mosaicpic5792
@mosaicpic5792 Жыл бұрын
great talk
@zhoutaiTW
@zhoutaiTW Жыл бұрын
吳靄儀👍👍❤
@user-bi1ce2mt5u
@user-bi1ce2mt5u 3 жыл бұрын
吳小姐對秦南琴真執著
@mosaicpic5792
@mosaicpic5792 Жыл бұрын
之前睇過有人分析,穆念慈如此潔身自愛的人,不可能未婚便委身楊康,所以未婚產子的是捕蛇女子秦南琴才符合角色性格
@user-bi1ce2mt5u
@user-bi1ce2mt5u Жыл бұрын
@@mosaicpic5792 秦南琴其實和小龍女有點像...無血色和飄渺感 所以楊過是有戀母情結的.....
@user-bi1ce2mt5u
@user-bi1ce2mt5u Жыл бұрын
順便說,吳靄儀對小龍女的疑問 於這些年逐漸被中國網友整理出來,就是綠茶病嬌 小龍女和李莫愁的價值觀幾乎沒區別,一生都為終極佔有一個男人,只要能完成這個目標 ,做什麼都行,包括將他永遠關住,死前殺了他,或是和他一起死了。 全是為了楊過好的小龍女,想和楊過一起死,是她心中唯念。 證據在此 【黃蓉道:“過兒從小在外邊東飄西蕩,老是關在一座墳墓之中,難道不氣悶么?” 小龍女笑道:“有我陪著他,怎會氣悶?” 黃蓉聽了,以為她天真無邪,啥也不知道還勸她呢。 其實小龍女啥不知道。 【小龍女但覺如此安穩過活,世上更無別事能及得上,但想他嚮往紅塵,終難長羈他在荒山之中, 料想小龍女不願下山,卻無藉口相留,是以煩惱,便道:“姑姑,你不願下山,咱們就永遠在這里便是。” 小龍女喜道:“好極啦……”只說了三個字,便即住口,明知楊過縱然勉強為己而留,心中也難真正快活, 幽幽的道: “明兒再說罷。”】 她和楊過實實在在的在古墓廝混了五年,最後出古墓時楊過要下山,她拐彎抹角找各種為楊過著想,其實是因為她不想下山的理由阻止。 可是黃蓉提起時,她就是瞬間從二十多的婦女穿越成了五歲小女孩,一副完全無知無辜的樣子,笑道【有我陪著他,怎會氣悶?】 結果聰明如黃蓉也被小龍女純真的騙了,以為自己【傷了一個天真無邪的少女之心,登感後悔】,吳靄儀女士這個大才女何嘗不是,她即使提出質疑,同時也不是在說小龍女【特別天真純潔,】,【不懂得保護自己】,【任何當時的人都應該知道:獨小龍女不知道。】 可是書中白紙黑字寫作小龍女其實根本都知道,所以被小龍女騙了的又何止黃蓉一人? 因為小龍女明明知道,就是裝著不知道,黃蓉隨口的一句話,她馬上做出一副受傷的樣子,其實她早一年多前就天天提心吊膽楊過出去外面拋棄她。 他們兩個本來就存在的問題,她偏偏裝無知,從頭到尾黃蓉對她推心置腹,她對黃蓉就沒說一句真心話。 是不是【他們從來沒錯,錯的永遠是別人,那是什麼緣故呢?是他們命苦?是世人特別壞?】 是不是【輕易陷人於不義】?
@user-bi1ce2mt5u
@user-bi1ce2mt5u 5 жыл бұрын
可以打上中文字幕嗎?我是台灣人,是她四本金庸評論的書迷,但不會粵語,聽不懂,拜託
@KemptonLam
@KemptonLam 5 жыл бұрын
@李欣儒 I don't work for Brew Note so I can't speak for them. But I know the task of adding Chinese subtitles to a video (transcribing/translating the 2.5 hours talk text plus proof-reading, etc) is very time consuming (taking hours and hours). So I think the unpaid volunteers may not have the extra time for this task. If you check out my above comment, I added some (hopefully useful) timecode links that give some some general idea of the topics. May be it can help you follow the talk a little bit better? I never learn 普通話 (Mandarin) in class but I started learning some Mandarin by watching many Taiwan & Chinese TV shows. May be this video can be the first you try to pick up some Cantonese? The more you watch, the more you can follow. Just like I did over the years with 普通話. Good luck.
@user-bi1ce2mt5u
@user-bi1ce2mt5u 5 жыл бұрын
好吧,我尊重
@jaanc8047
@jaanc8047 4 жыл бұрын
@@user-bi1ce2mt5u 關於字幕,研究中國文學、中國近代史、中國新聞史的大學,或者反共的基金會,應該都願意資助,希望大家踴躍向它們申請立項,這樣才有人翻譯勞動。香港、台灣、美國、日本的大學/基金會都可以試試。因為字幕而令台灣人和大陸人看不懂這個講座,真是可惜。
@wymantung740
@wymantung740 4 жыл бұрын
主持 始終 大中華
@user-js2lr1yx7w
@user-js2lr1yx7w 3 жыл бұрын
the room where it happens
@vvlau6133
@vvlau6133 3 жыл бұрын
骨子裏對權力的崇拜,奴性,對名留青史功名的崇拜,可以令一個有風骨文人放棄原則,放棄殺父之仇,朋友之恨⋯⋯真係⋯⋯
@maychan5562
@maychan5562 3 жыл бұрын
小說歸小說,現實歸現實。營生的小說是為了討好群衆,與真實的作者人性豈可同一而語🤔這種希冀不合乎現實
@user-de3yu3gv7e
@user-de3yu3gv7e Жыл бұрын
哪里有字幕的?听不懂
@ericpun_hker
@ericpun_hker 3 жыл бұрын
“你看他的作品以為他是郭靖,哪知他的真身卻是個岳不群。”
@andyshao8367
@andyshao8367 3 жыл бұрын
也還是郭靖,為「國」,個人的一切都是微不足道...
@kelvenli1910
@kelvenli1910 5 жыл бұрын
好相信吳小姐沒看查生在大陸節目的訪談。她說的問題查生在節目中已交代,他就是想看著中共的底線來作雙查方案的。其實試問,一個本身反對回歸的人,對中共會真的完全沒戒心?而且他還如此聰明。 而他個人的思想其實就一直就是按一個主軸,就是讓人民生活得安居樂業為優先,這在他過去的社評就有寫過。唔知吳小姐係咪讀得太多而混淆了。將這套入他的行為,其實好易就解釋他就是個建制保守主義者,只是他心中是人民的生活優先,所以對政權的態度自然會因每事而左右搖擺。一個動盪年代走出來的人,對安定的執著自然比新一代多,這也很好理解。 最後一個是對鄧小平的態度。查生作為讀書人親近權力的心態必然有之,但他口中掛在嘴最多的鄧小平是大俠,這明顯是將自己的民族情感寄在鄧小平身上。這對錯真沒法說清,唯一靠定是愛國上腦。 雖然這個視頻做出了探究,但說了兩個半小時,觀點和思路個人認為不及趙博做了十五分鐘的分享來得精闢,失望
@wongcwj
@wongcwj 3 жыл бұрын
在大陸接受訪問也作準? 不合意的能播出? 仗義每多屠狗輩, 負心盡是讀書人.
@maychan5562
@maychan5562 3 жыл бұрын
無心插柳柳成蔭,有意栽花花不發 🤨 權力惑人屢試不爽
@ycmk0112
@ycmk0112 5 жыл бұрын
金學?嘻!
@jimmyho9560
@jimmyho9560 5 жыл бұрын
我是一個不食辣但賣辣豆腐,要把我講成飲食大名家,說什麼學說到不如講討好食客,再好的不過是應付现實啫?
@kelvenli1910
@kelvenli1910 5 жыл бұрын
好相信吳小姐沒看查生在大陸節目的訪談。她說的問題查生在節目中已交代,他就是想看著中共的底線來作雙查方案的。其實試問,一個本身反對回歸的人,對中共會真的完全沒戒心?而且他還如此聰明。 而他個人的思想其實就一直就是按一個主軸,就是讓人民生活得安居樂業為優先,這在他過去的社評就有寫過。唔知吳小姐係咪讀得太多而混淆了。將這套入他的行為,其實好易就解釋他就是個建制保守主義者,只是他心中是人民的生活優先,所以對政權的態度自然會因每事而左右搖擺。一個動盪年代走出來的人,對安定的執著自然比新一代多,這也很好理解。 最後一個是對鄧小平的態度。查生作為讀書人親近權力的心態必然有之,但他口中掛在嘴最多的鄧小平是大俠,這明顯是將自己的民族情感寄在鄧小平身上。這對錯真沒法說清,唯一靠定是愛國上腦。 雖然這個視頻做出了探究,但說了兩個半小時,觀點和思路個人認為不及趙博做了十五分鐘的分享來得精闢,失望
@jimmyho9560
@jimmyho9560 5 жыл бұрын
你係咪趙某,如果是萬全策怕且是自已為聪明反備聪明误,能引時勢與真相說話,所談甚是,有人说看完给他帶遊花園,當然是層次着眼於那点適隨專辦,但總是不能而自己價值代表時代代表市民。只有進步,進步不等於反歷史,文明。
@user-wd4ex7tn9q
@user-wd4ex7tn9q 4 жыл бұрын
我不懂广东话,所以完全看不懂这个视频在说什么。不过你说查是反对回归我却有不同看法,想跟您赐教。 个人很喜欢看金庸的小说,对金庸本人也有些许研究,据我所知,金庸是民族主义者,从他的书中可以看出来。所以,他怎么可能反对回归呢?不过金庸本人并不是完全认可共产党,他开始对毛泽东没有恶意,但是毛后期搞文革,他就不喜欢毛了,从他书中也可看出。邓上台搞改革开放,他是支持的,后来89事件,他对邓又失望,最后又似乎和解。 我觉得他对邓改观是因为大陆改革开放以后,经济得到快速发展,有利于民族,从始至终金庸都是一个有家国情怀的传统中国文人,把国家民族放在第一位,虽然国家领导人和体制他不满意,但看到国家越来越好,他内心应该是开心的。
@sinss4354
@sinss4354 4 жыл бұрын
任雨 多听粤语歌,就会听得懂了
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