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Dan Hannan on Communism, 'Ostalgie', first loves and enforced atheism.

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Fresh from his Brexit victory over Brussels, Conservative MEP and thinker Daniel Hannan now has Communism in his sights - organising an ACRE conference next month in Tirana, Albania on the legacy of state socialism for Europe.
EURACTIV's Matthew Tempest met him for a discussion ranging across the '68 Prague Spring, first loves, enforced secularism, Che Guevara and the Dunblane handgun ban.

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@CrazyLeiFeng
@CrazyLeiFeng 7 жыл бұрын
EU cut funds for education about Communism. Many top EU bureaucrats started as Communists, e.g current EU "foreign minister". It shows in the way EU is run.
@letters_from_paradise
@letters_from_paradise 4 жыл бұрын
If you want to see the effect of a communist system on a society, a non-dictatorial communist system, look to the the first colonial settlements. And if you can't be bothered to, the TLDR is that they starved, until private property rights were implemented and respected.
@BossySwan
@BossySwan 7 жыл бұрын
Matthew reminds me of the Go Compare man.
@alberpajares4792
@alberpajares4792 4 жыл бұрын
Is it possible to robe the police¿
@alberpajares4792
@alberpajares4792 4 жыл бұрын
You can bet that no.,.
@artit91
@artit91 4 жыл бұрын
He's well wrong about Hungarian history. Kadar came after `56 and rebuilt a lot of stuff that the communist destroyed. In the last 10 years of the USSR, the member states worked the same way as the EU members do nowadays but the government of the USSR was unelected. State capitalism works and will be introduced in the EU after Brexit. China has it and they are quite well with a booming population.
@Tovec8
@Tovec8 7 жыл бұрын
"The most murderous ideology ever devised by human by human intelligence" First, Good thing you limited yourself to humans, otherwise we'd HAVE TO include anything devised by (a) God. Second, Does this account for inflation? More seriously, how can one even pretend to make this claim? Are we just going for sheer numbers? Because if so, yeah probably, but that doesn't account for nearly enough variables and ignores entire swaths of reason of how it happened - including ideology, the primary factor. Because if not, then "for a god" far ought weighs communism. It was the number one cause of murder/human death/suffering/etc. in human history for MOST of human history. It stretches back prior to human history. And then again factoring in the _gods angle_ again; well gods are supposedly the cause of the whole of reality - including communism - and the rules by which humans operate. Not to mention the wars fought in their names. Not to mention the direct (supposed) interventions, like this one jackass god I heard about who flooded and killed the entire planet (at least if you believe that sort of thing). Just saying, really misses the mark when you talk about "atheism" in this way, surely we can do the same with theism then right?
@hughoxford8845
@hughoxford8845 7 жыл бұрын
No, this is untrue.
@Tovec8
@Tovec8 7 жыл бұрын
Which part?
@apoetsquill5407
@apoetsquill5407 5 жыл бұрын
Tovec Only 7 percent of wars was at all religious. And they often happened with swords and arrows. Far less deaths than communism, by millions.
@neato2765
@neato2765 4 жыл бұрын
Invoking God as a reason for war is not the same as God calling for war. If you're a tyrant calling for war, you're going to call on anything, and when you have no moral standards as most atheists do, killings stack much much faster.
@ralphbrown2498
@ralphbrown2498 7 жыл бұрын
The answer he gives starting at 2:25 in this video is so intellectually dishonest it's beyond pathetic.
@razfilms29
@razfilms29 7 жыл бұрын
Not just that Mr Hannan seems to not understand what Communism is, it seems he doesn't understand that most socialist and communist despise Stalinism and what it stands for (State Capitalism, enforced by a Militaristic Dictatorship). Just the fact that you keep insisting that it always ends with gulags and autocracy, its clear that you are doing the same as you accuse other people of doing with Ostalgie, you have nothing against communism, you barely understand what it stands for, of course you can't really be for or against something you don't understand. You're against your misconception of Communism, your perception of the Soviet System that you experienced as a teenager and young adult, a sort of Anit-Ostalgie, if you will. Socialism requires democracy to work, what do you think size the means of production meant? Everything is the same, except the CEO is now a inner member of the only Party in the one-party system? No, it means that the workers democratically elect their representatives out of all the workers they share a workplace with to run the "company". Socialism and communism doesn't mean less democracy, quite the opposite, it means why should democracy end at the workplace. Also, while we're at it, it could be easily argued that, even if you count Stalinism as even close to any socialist ideology, capitalism continuous to kill way more people due to it's systemic neglect.
@razfilms29
@razfilms29 7 жыл бұрын
All 0 of them? I can't point to any for mainly 2 reasons. There cannot be a communist state, Communism is a stateless, classless, moneyless society, that will come about naturally after many generations lived in a socialist post-scarcity. All the countries and factories people generally associate with communism/socialism (with a some exceptions, like the Catalonian Anarchist Communities, Basque and Argentinian cooperatives, German workers board of directors, etc...) are in fact State Capitalist, since the production relations did not change. In the USSR, Yugoslavia or China, do you think the workers owned the means of production? Do you think there were markets or a planned economy? There was no democratic decision making inside the factories, just a member of the party, instead of a CEO, and the factories were forced to participate in the markets, except that instead of a million small private buyers, you had 1 buyer and redistributor, the state. And thats why all of them were State Capitalist. they did not change the production relations, they only replaced the private sector with the public sector, while keeping in system in its core the same.
@razfilms29
@razfilms29 7 жыл бұрын
Did you choose to ignore everything I wrote or do you really not understand?
@thetruth7614
@thetruth7614 7 жыл бұрын
Your utopian interpretation of communism is to any rational human being insurmountable, that will never manifest itself in reality. I believe you probably do have good intentions but Unfortunately for you, to many totalitarian scumbags share your ideology.
@razfilms29
@razfilms29 7 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't really call it an utopian interpretation, things like production relations and democratic workplaces are one of the first things that's pointed to in Marxist literature. Yeah, there is some truth in that, there are some totalitarian scumbags, but they are a small minority compared to the many other branches of Socialism that are anti-totalitarian, like Democratic Socialism, Libertarian Socialism, Luxemburgism, Anarcho-Communism, etc, The ones you are referring to are usually called Stalinist, Tankies, or as they call themselves "Marxist-Leninist". I wouldn't worry to much about them, they are a dying breed.
@razfilms29
@razfilms29 7 жыл бұрын
I am tired of trying to explain that China is State Capitalist, they are nowhere near any form of communism. About, North Korea, I am not really sure what they are, but they are far from anything resembling communism. Now, if I understood you right, you think those countries are Communist since they label themselves that way, regardless if they actually follow the ideology. So, since the official name of North Korea is Democratic People's Republic of Korea, wouldn't that mean that any criticism upon North Korea is a criticism upon Democracy and vice-versa? (P.s.: Marxist-Leninist are bit different form them, they believe in a something more similar to what Trotsky described as a Degenerated Workers' State)
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