Continuing my trend of being excessively informative, this video has more than you probably wanted to know about Manganese Blue Hue. I did touch on the recent Daniel Smith controversy, but please know that anything I share is to help you make the best consumer decisions possible (and NOT for drama, though I am aware some artists are pretty upset with DS right now). No matter what your opinion of DS, I hope that the paint info, lightfast tests and how I achieve replica mixtures will be helpful to you. I noticed that Manganese Blue Hue and Lunar Black average about $10 per 15ml tube, while Lunar Blue was about $13 and Blue Apatite was about $18 (at the time, on Blick USA). For those wanting to replicate the more expensive Primatek colors, it can often be accomplished using cheaper pigments. Manganese Blue Hue not only replicates the old PB33, but can replace Blue Apatite and Lunar Blue while remaining independently versatile. In last week's video I showed how adding PBr11 can replicate up to 5 different Primatek minerals when combined with common colors likely already on your palette ( kzfaq.info/get/bejne/lZ-XZ5aCzsq3lZs.html ). Once I complete my top recommended pigments list, I expect to be able to replicate a great many popular mixtures, color separating effect paints and minerals like those in the Primatek line, all by using a relatively short list of super useful colors. Resources - my top favorite pigments list can be found at www.kimcrick.com/pages/top-lightfast-watercolor-pigments Info about the issue of Primatek mineral paints not seeming to be made of what they imply can be found at instagram.com/p/CN4TTo-FbiT/ and if you're curious about the person behind this polarized microscopy analysis, it was done by a reputable geologist who specializes in pigment studies, you can find more info about her by googling "Ruth Siddall UCL".

So I added my two cents in another place, but I will put it here. My wife is an artist and was excited to get the PrimaTek colors. I am a mineralogist and knew that something was off, but she was happy and the colors are really nice, plus you can get some good textures. Anyhow, one day I took a couple of her paints into the lab to perform some elemental and phase analyses on them. Low and behold, they were far from pure minerals in a gum arabic base. It is important to note that 90% of minerals powder up white, even quartz (amethyst), when ground will look white. Also, most mineral sources mined have ancillary minerals with them that get ground up along the way, thus you will rarely ever have a pure single mineral pigment. I emailed DS and asked about the data I collected and never heard back. I really like the idea of returning to the use of base minerals for pigments. The colors are really nice and technically those minerals are there...just in very small quantities.

You are remarkable, Kimberly. I'd have never thought to look at this color with a black light, and that's the issue I take concern with in this whole DS discussion. As you've stated, you and other informed content creators and scientists are doing so much work that should be openly available from the companies who sell and market these paints. Transparency is key so that consumers can make informed buying decisions. If multiple pigments or fluorescents aren't labeled (or are labeled inconsistently), that takes away consumer choice. Since opera rose is labeled as fluorescent, one would assume that colors not marked in this way do not contain it. Likewise, multipigment paints list their various pigments, so if phthalo green is added to a primatek for consistency, I'd want to know that. I'd still buy colors I like... However, when a company then doubles down and treats their customers like they have no idea what they're talking about.... it's all just really disheartening. Thank you for all of your dedication to this effort!

About lightfastness - I'll be going over the masstone and diluted lightfast test results for the entire Daniel Smith catalog in the future. For now it's mainly the mayan colors, slickerite, rhodonite, moonglow and shadow violet showing unexpected fading, as well as the ones we all know are bad like opera, prussian, aureolin, alizarin and anthra red that are real problems. Manganese Blue Hue is rated LFII, which results in minor, nearly imperceptible dulling or hue shifts in normal visible light. The black light refracting of blue light is fugitive, but most artists would never know this happened (even though I think that we should know, the colorless additive doesn't drastically change the base appearance). On this particular lightfast strip I was a bit more concerned with the LFI cerulean graying above it and the drastic fading in Mayan Blue also noted as LFII. Only LFI colors should remain completely unchanged in long term tests. ***I just looked at my masstone and diluted lightfast strips and at 6 months there is no visible fading in MBH even when diluted with at least 50% water, so that's very good.*** Absolutely understand the feelings about Daniel Smith at the moment, but I also know that certain colors they make are valuable to artists. I'm doing my best to recreate any of the colors that are outrageously expensive, and generally replicate mixtures so that people can make their own decision if they'd like to try mimicry with other brands. I would 100% be on board with forcing them to list ingredients (even it was vague to protect trade secrets, such as labeling this "fluorescent" like opera pink does though it doesn't tell us the type of dye or brightener chemically. When emailing about a dozen different paint manufacturers for clarity about what the fluorescent ingredients were actually made of I got a lot of brush offs "that's proprietary" they'd say. There were only two companies that were really open and honest about their ingredients: Kremer Pigments and Golden/Qor. Golden even put me in touch with their lab director and we had a great chat about chemicals, so I really love them for that :) I've been sad to find a lot of lies about lightfastness throughout many big brands due to negligence of proper testing or just going off what the pigment manufacturer told them (even Schmincke and Roman Szmal are guilty of this). Winsor and Newton offers a cadmium free orange made from a fugitive red-yellow mix which doesn't even offer pigment codes ("trade secret") yet labels it LFI. So sad all around that I feel the need to do so much investigative work on behalf of giant companies that don't pay me!

The level of time and preparation and research you put into these videos is mind-boggling. With your lightfast testing included, these videos are YEARS in the making! 😂😳 Truly you give so much to the art community! Thank you, as always, for the information and lovely art.

I just dabble in watercolor for therapy, but I love working with pro paint because the pigmentation is so rewarding even with my blobby messes. I gravitated to Daniel Smith because they provided a straight-forward essentials set and I thought it made more sense to buy than to risk the frustration of muddy mixes as I was starting out. And then, since DS is local to me it's relatively easy to find deals on additions to my essentials. I've grown my set of tiny DS tubes way too large, and it's actually a management problem. I branched out into Winsor Newton for one tube, and I like them too! Anyway, I am not one to take a side. Coke and Pepsi are both fine. Canon and Nikon make all levels of cameras and are awesome. I've owned both Fords and Chevy's and loved them both. And I have a degree from each of the two main rival schools in my state of Washington, so I win no matter which team takes the Apple Cup. As you can see I'm a pure centrist, but I mostly only have pro-grade paint experience with DS. Do you think other pro-level paint companies have slightly disappointing secrets too? It seems to me that DS is especially picked on, but maybe Windsor Newton, Holbein, etc. has some trickster mixes too? I'm just asking the question because I'm curious. Just as with everything else I've mentioned, I have no skin in this game.

I work with gem stones and semi-precious gem stones and I know that there is more variety than uniformity in colours and tones. I was not surprised to find out they had to add pigments to get consistent colours. And like you I would prefer to have all of the ingredients listed, but it ultimately doesn't change my mind about Daniel Smith, and I never did buy more than one of two tubes of the Primatek line and I never regretted those, really. It's great to be able to mix your own.

I’m glad someone else also found this out! I noticed it maybe around one year ago, when I had painted a bird and used this color in it, and left it in my kitchen wall to dry out. We have a “mosquito lamp” on at nights in the kitchen, that has that blue light, and in the night when I went to get water, I saw that my bird painting was glowing in dark 😂 I figured that either it has fluorescent or bright white mixed in, but it was so glowy that I figured it might be the first option…

You’re such a clever woman. Using UV light! Definitely the best watercolour paint reviewer and explainerer on KZfaq.

So interesting. In never got the cult like following of DS paint and the marketing was always suspect.

Wow, turning on the UV light at 3:08 was sooo cool! This is exactly why I love your videos and channel. Your honesty and informative content is always appreciated. It's great to see how we can mix some look-a-likes for Blue Apatite and Lunar Blue. Regarding the drama, I completely share your opinion. No one should have been surprised that there are additives to the products... Have you seen all the garbage that goes into our food? Should DS have disclosed the ingredients? Yeah probably, but no company is perfect. Their marketing choices don't suddenly change the fact that they do some colors well. I like how you put it, "Collect pigments, not brands". I'm going to have to check out that M Graham Viridian you mentioned! As always, great video and gorgeous artwork. Thanks for sharing!

I don’t understand why people “blame the messenger “ as you are just giving them more information, not telling them what they can or can’t buy. They can still make their own decisions about paint purchases. I appreciate your research and sharing of information, although I’m only about to start trying to paint with watercolors.

There is no such thing as excessively informative! This was a wonderful video and a wonderful painting, thank you so much for sharing your experimentation with all of us!

Yay!! I love these videos where you show us how to mix hues that resemble the ds colors :) thank you for these types of videos ❤️

What a beautiful color! I appreciate all the work you do. Having someone who is neutral to do this sort of testing and investigation is so important.

I love manganese blue hue and it's on all my palettes. I discovered the glow effect a while ago, when I was checking a student brand I bought for flourescents and then thought to check all my swatches as well. Funnily enough I plan on doing a picture with fish as well lol- I just haven't got around to it yet. MBH is really good for getting that cloudy effect that olives and grapes have- the granulation seems to push through and settle on top of some other colours which can be quite effective. No other paint I've tried does the same.

the way my jaw dropped when you pulled out the black light. Wild

This was a wonderful encapsulation of information! However, I’ll have to watch it many times to absorb everything! I have made a habit of staying away from paints that say “hue” because I think I’m more of a purist. But you have totally peaked my interest in the effects that can be had by trying something new! Thanks!

I read on your website about Manganese Blue Hue. It looks like a interesting color but because Daniel Smith is so expensive here in Germany it will land on my lower-priority-wishlist for a while lol. I'm also pro Patchwork-Palette, mine is basically Split Primary, a Raw Sienna and Burnt Umber and after that a bunch of interesting or unique colors from different brand's.

For science enthusiasts: **Refract vs fluoresce?** Whoops! I likely misspoke in the video at 3:40 regarding what visually appears similar to light being reflected (a glow effect) from the optical brightener. The molecules may get excited under UV (black light), fluoresce (emit blue light) and be considered "fluorescing" instead of "refracting". Refract is a term for light changing direction, usually as it passes through something else. Perhaps the paint and I both got excited (lol), but the thought behind "refraction" here has to do with the resin particles involved (often used in the making of fluorescent pigment powders). I asked one of the manufacturers of this type of UV effect paint about what was causing the glow. I was told that "the resin itself is refracting UV-A light". Kremer says the resin (either functioning as an optical brightener itself, or a binder for it) is hardened/dried, then pulverized into a powder like tiny clear crystals to be used in paint. Happy painting everyone :)

Hi Kimberley, again a great video. Great in research, great in educating those who watch it and want to learn / know their paints. Also great in staying without prejudices. Keeping that neutral position of the paint researcher and teacher you have somehow become. I agree (I read all the comments): you are not payed, you are doing the work of companies themselfes (real in-depth lightfastness tests etc.) and get nothing. Maybe for the best. This way you can speak up and you'r allowed to talk free about your findings. But I agree, it is a big work you're doing. You are one of the few people I refer to when it comes to paint and pigment information, when I want to complete my own little research. So thank you for all your work. Really, thank you very much. (I hope this is understandable, for English is not my first language)

That looks so cool with the black light!

Another excellent and educational video. I kind of wish I could bring you shopping for watercolours with me!

very informative, this is like csi for paints. presumably the fluorescence has an effect on how the paint looks out of the tube / and when painting, which could be why it is your preferred choice over the options from other brands. but - as you demonstrate - that 'effect' will be gone after approx one year, so the b15 will be back to looking the same as the b15 in the other manganese blue hues. i wonder why ds didn't label the fluorescence. not great on the back of the primatek situation.

So happy I found your channel!

I love this kind of content, your information is so helpful and I really appreciate the resoures on your channel and on your website, especially the lightfastness tests! Ever since the Daniel Smith controversy started up, I've been mixing replicas with my own relatively small watercolour collection. Your Green Apatite video was very inspiring :) I wasn't surprised regarding the content of the Primateks, but I wish the CEO's response had been more informative and less defensive. Most of my paints are DS because in my city in Western Canada, they're actually pretty affordable (comparatively). I can't speak for all artists, but I think we'll still buy the paints if we know what's in them! But I imagine they rely on mystical verbiage to sell the Primateks at the higher price point. :/ For my Primatek dupes, I just used copious amounts of Lunar Black and the only granulating brown I own that I like, Mummy Bauxite (itself a Primatek), to mix most of them. (My Burnt Sienna & Burnt Umber from QoR were a mistake sadly. They don't mix nicely.) I don't know that I got the mixes very accurate, but it was also a great way to try out mixes I never would have ordinarily tried. Your last video got me wanting a brown with more distinctive granulation so I'll have to put that and Manganese Blue Hue on my wishlist. I love these deep dives into pigment properties, because it's absolutely a help when you're trying to build a versatile palette on a budget. Thank you so much!

I've had Daniel Smith's manganese blue hue on my palette for a couple years, and I love it as a bright sky blue. It's so fascinating to hear that it's actually fluorescent! Your use of the fluorescence in the final painting was really cool to see, and is definitely a dimension of watercolor that I've never considered before. Thank you so much for sharing!!

This is like an amazing archeology discovery lol!

This color looks gorgeous! Might even be worth getting despite Daniel smiths prices here :0! Lovely painting demo as well!

You're Awesome! I'm new to the craft and all in for the journey, just looking to find my niche /specialty skill. Good on you for putting out important and helpful information. Just from a beginner's standpoint, I'm trying to keep things basic with supplies and avoiding mistakes, which number more than the total colors of available paints. lol

So interesting! I am always fascinated by your analysis and will willingly follow you into the deep weeds! LOL! I am very intrigued by this now. I never had any of the Magenese Blue Genuine but LOVE the Hue. After all, it's close to "Carolina" Blue! I also adore the granulation and liftability. I agree with you in that I am not brand loyal, but pigment loyal. Certain brands do certain pigments better than others. All of my palettes are mixed brands. Thanks so much for all your research. I ALWAYS get excited when you have a new video!

Thank you for your video. Very interesting to know. It takes the art pieces one step further. Informative, never too much for me!

I absolutely LOVE all your videos! Ive seen every single video youve posted multiple times! When I go to KZfaq and have no idea to watch I often time just start with one of your videos which I, most of the time, pick out at random. Thank you for posting such wonderful, info packed and entertaining videos. I know making and then editing videos is incredibly time consuming and difficult so I appreciate all the sacrifices and time spent providing us with free content. Thank you. Much much love ❤ 😍 💖

I've still got a 6ml tube of Old Holland Manganese genuine and it's so precious isn't it! Thanks very much, x

This is really interesting, and I appreciate all the hard work you do. The alternatives and mixes give everyone a chance to try new things while remaining neutral. As for this color, I've been avoiding it all along because I thought it was just a mix of Phthalo Blue GS and white, which does not interest me. (I think I may have ended up with a tube from another brand that was.) So, this was enlightening and made me want to try it, especially for mixes. Since the florescence doesn't affect the hue's lightfastness, I'd be ok with using it for finished pieces. As for the ordeal, I think everyone should just decide for themselves. I've been a big fan of DS paint, and have more tubes than anyone really needs, but the response was less than stellar. Most knew that the Primateks were doctored, but it was that "bad" handling (and lack of clarity) that set people off. Unfortunately, many people are naíve to think that any of these other companies aren't hiding things, too. One just got caught. Personally, I will continue to use what I've got, and maybe add a tube or two to mix my own Primatek versions once they run out. However, there are some pigments they just do best. I'm into several brands, so loyalty isn't an issue, and Roman Szmal has become a new favorite. But, I'm also curious to see how or if they clear this up, since I can't imagine it not hurting their sales a bit. Hopefully, some clarity will come. There's no need to artists to take out their frustrations on each other. Buy or don't buy.

I was mixing a lunar blue dupe last night. I don’t have the manganese so I used regular phthalo and pbk11 from Roman szmal due to its heavy granulation. The resulting colour was very close. I was putting together a travel palette and deciding which colours to include. I found that many of the Daniel smith convenient mixes and some primateks were pretty easy to approximate so the only DS colour that made the cut was quin burnt sienna.

At 7:26 , I would say that the right side swatch is noticeably duller and greyer than the left side. Is that something you could tell IRL? Personally, I'm probably not buying any more DS. Some of their Primatek labelling was just straight up false, and the response from the company has been condescending at best. I have plenty of other brands I can support. I don't necessarily need _everything_ listed, but I want at least the major pigments used to be disclosed in the pigment list. That's one of the big supposed differences between "professional" paint brands vs hobby/craft ones, after all. Also the response from the company has been INCREDIBLY bad, and I'm just not here for that.

I love your videos. They show sensible knowledge based on your own research and experimentation. They are a source of excellent and credible information, and the examples and final artwork are always stunning. It’s clear you put a lot of thought and effort in your work. I thank you so very MySpace because it has helped me get to know colours and their properties better, and has provided me with examples of how I can do my own experimentations.👍🏻

Thank you for this video! I am an art supply hoarder as well. I have so many different brands and so much paint! I like that you used a black light, I think it's very useful to know what is in your paint, that is why I am learning how to make my own. Just because we prefer a brand we should never assume that they are going to hit it out of the park with all their products. Although I did find the response from DS a little condescending, I still love their paints. They just need to be truthful. Nothing wrong with saying that we have to do it X so that we can have consistency from batch to batch. If people know how paint is made then they would have a better understanding of the controversy. I hope that you will not be attacked by people who are uneducated in printmaking. I love your videos please make more!

this is really informative! Who would know there is flourescent dye in this paint?! Your mixing result indeed looks very close to Blue Appatite. It shows that Lunar Black is quite mighty in creating special effect colors :)

I have the WN version and it's beautiful!

I am sympathetic to the fact that not everyone is science/geology savvy(I'm by no means an expert and only took 2 college-level geology classes before I decided to pursue equine instead), but it was a big ol' duh moment for me. It's absurd(for me, I'm having trouble articulating my thoughts at the moment due to only having about 3ft of visibility in this brain fog) to think that they are solely grinding up high-quality precious stones and shoving them in tubes. With that being said, I do think the lack of transparency is punishable by disappointment and distrust for those who care about it. Especially when it comes to a company that promotes itself as trying to be more environmentally conscious. The brand loyalty and hype thing never seem to work out well. Funnily enough, I do have a loyalty to DS Manganese Blue Hue. I love it. It would take a lot to pull it from my cold dead hands. I've been watching through your videos recently, for some reason you don't pop up much on my feed and my ADHD brain forgets anything I cannot see in front of my face. I think I could listen to you read entire technical textbooks and I'd still thoroughly enjoy every second of it. Thank you for your knowledge, your calm voice, and for existing in general. You and Oto have been a HUGE help to me when it comes to picking paint. I can't remember the last time I didn't consult your content when considering purchases.

That was a really excellent point, about pigment chemicals being mixed in the stones themselves. I hadn't heard that anywhere else, and i think it's a very valid point. On the one hand i "fell" for the romance of painting with the actual gemstone/etc, and felt kind of ripped off - they're SO expensive. On the other hand, they are still some of my favorite colors. That's why this series of yours is so valuable - knowing how to mix the comparable color for a fraction of the cost (and you DO get as close as I've ever seen). So i probably won't be buying much of the Primatek line in the future overall, there may be one or two "convenience" colors I'll stick with. Another really informative and in-depth review. Really excellent. Thanks!

Great video! Thanks for the info!!

I've been on the fence about DS Manganese Blue Hue for a while but you've knocked me over to the buy side. Have you tried Da Vinci's Manganese Blue Mixture? It has the original PB33 along with a Phthalo Blue pigment.

What a great video!

Beautiful painting and great coverage/testing of the paint! I love your channel for your honesty and grounded-ness 💕 I have the same thoughts on Daniel Smith, I wasn’t surprised even a little and still I would like to have more info disclosed by brands. Like someone said above, I’d prefer to see this in our foods first. (If I’m having to choose one over the other ) Thanks for another great video full of information !

Love your video. And listen couple times.

When comparing my tablet to my swatch card the tablet is reading closer to cobalt blue..interesting. now to figure out how to adjust mixes etc in my mind.

I was also wondering about the blue glow of the lunar blue. Never had the manganese blue hue to notice that!

oh my my danny just loves to add secret pigments to the paints...

Thank you for a great video. I had and cherished a Windsor & Newton manganese blue. The DS is just not close enough, if you ever find a better substitute, please let us know.

A non-staining granulating phthalo? I wish I'd seen this before buying enough blue paint to last me a while!

Awesome video so helpful! Thank you

I love mixing my own colors so do all of the phthalo colors separate in the granulation mixes? I actually love color separation.

Very informative as usual!

I'd been suspicious of the primateks before this came out. Their Lapis doesn't have the payoff, or (frankly) even any resemblance, to what real lapis looks like many hundreds of years later in extant medieval manuscripts. And it is sold as one of their MOST expensive pigments! 🙄 Pretty glad to hear of this news "breaking" although, to be honest, I am also a bit surprised by how strongly people are reacting to the "news." We've found fluorescence etc in stuff that wasn't labeled thusly before (I have deplored that as well), so I don't get why SUDDENLY everyone is shocked. I hope the backlash leads to real change in the paint industry. Artists are buying artist-grade cause we want to know what we're working with. If I want mystery paint there's plenty out there. By the time I'm spending $10-$30 a tube, I wanna know what binder, what pigments, what dyes, what the Real lightfastness rating of THE PRODUCT is (NOT THE BEST POSSIBLE RATING OF THE MOST LIGHT FAST INGREDIENT, as tested 20 years ago on a specific alternate pigment source no company can actually source anymore because that specific mine ran out, etc). Binders, chemical reactions, location the natural material was sourced, etc,. can all affect stuff. My fine art is not the place for experiments, unless I am making a conscious choice TO experiment, and then I want to know the variables.

Interesting and informative

Do you know of any other watercolors that glow like this (besides opera pink). I'm loving how I can paint something that under regular light look like a "normal" painting but when you shine a uv light on it "SURPRISE" it glows. Thank you for all your work....I would have never guessed I had a color on my pallet that glows like this otherwise. Now I check every color just in case. 🤣

Great video! Thank you!

Cool 👌❣️

Hi.. I have learned so much already from watching your videos and visiting your site. I have already revamped my selection of colours and am amazed at the variety of colours I can create now. I do have a couple of little questions though. I have an old Van Gogh palette with a green #366. However, when I visit their site there is no colour that corresponds with this green. I also have from the same set a viridian and when I blend the #366 with a pthalo blue ( blue shade) I can approximate the viridian quite well. But that leaves me not knowing what this #366 really is. Do you have any idea what this bright blue leaning apple green might be? I was also hoping to know if you recommend any particular optical brighteners to add to paints if you want a fluo effect, even if it's not in DS Mag Blue hue. I bought the WN pan version and love the colour. It's clear and delicious and you're right, it really makes a wonderful sky blue that doesn't feel as heavy as the cerluean. Unfortunately, in my local art shop, they didn't have French Ultramarine blue by Schminke...just the super fine one. Alas, rural France is also a challenge for getting Da Vinci colours and I've yet to find White Nights here either. Still Sennelier, Rembrandt, WN, Van Gogh and such are all wonderful....Ps, Do you have a video on brush recommendations?just curious. Thank you so much for what you do.

I just bought some blue cobalts (M Graham, because _why not,_ I don't have any of that brand, and online swatches got overwhelming), and just now saw that Insta geologist has Sleeping Beauty as mostly PB28 with some earth minerals for the naturally-occuring dirt. (I mean granulation; lunar black?) I feel so stupid for not knowing I had more cobalts on hand already! 😂 Wonder if I have some surprise cadmiums on hand?

Great info!

Hi Kim, I'm curious if there is one particular DS set that you're super happy with or even just a couple of additional colours from DS that you would recommend for someone with an already pretty good set of professional paints.I followed your advice on your top recommended pigments and have put together a pretty complete pallete of basic pigments. I am just curious about DS and thought, hmmm, maybe I should just get the primary mixing trio? I do know that I'm still missing a good viridian and a good granulating French Ultramarine so maybe I should start there?

Nice

I'm not a fan of the inclusion of the optical brightener and the fact that they still labeled it LFII is just another nail in the coffin for me. It's intriguing that they managed to make the PB15 non staining and heavily granulating though. I'll see if this one is on my DS dot chart, it might be fun to play around with. I would never have paid attention to this color because early in my watercolor journey I accidentally bought manganese blue hue by Mission Gold and Van Gogh (if I recall correctly) and both were just regular PB15 and fillers or maybe even white. A complete waste of money.

I really wish Golden had just come out with a normal watercolor line. They seem to be one of the most open and trustworthy but their Qor's just aren't suitable for my style of painting. In the meantime I've invested in some M. Graham.

Very interesting video! If you want to replicate gemstone paints, the solution is to buy said gemstones and grind them in a mortar and pestle, then mix with binder. Daniel Smith Primatek colors are NOT genuine. The bonus? You get much better colors and you know exactly what is in them.

Love your take on the primatek “controversy” If you believe marketing from manufacturers, you will be deceived. These paints are expensive. If you like them and can afford them, use them. If you think “natural” materials are somehow simpler than synthetics, you could not be more wrong. If you’re buying pretty paint from DS, they will deliver. If you want to buy a story, join a religious cult

All youtubers jumped on board with this bs id like to see them do these test to any other paint brands ..not one its

The more I learn about Daniel Smith the less I like their business practices. It is disturbing and disappointing. I don't care if they list everything, but if most of the pigment is synthetic or if you use optical brightners label them as such. Their less than optimal response just screams unprofessional and childish, like a teen getting caught cheating on a test. Anyway, thank you for your testing! Love your data base and your videos! Happy painting

It wouldn't be so much an issue if Daniel Smith was fair about their pricing and forth coming. They claim/imply the price is high because of the amount of rare minerals they are using in their paint: a straight up lie. This is what people are so hot about. If they said the pricing is what it is, it would be different. We all *know* that art suppliers mark their product up 1000 percent of the cost-to-make, *often even higher*. They justify this by assuming there would be no art without their product. *Well, they are wrong* This is why artist are moving away from art suppliers to handmade paint and product made by artist who make small batches of their paint with care. Also, once one knows how to make paint, *which any artist can do* , freedom occurs and there is no limit to the color hue, tone, spectrum. GOD BLESS.

at such small amount, I'm wondering how toxic this is. unfortunate.