Trailbraking In Sim Racing - How Slowing Down the Right Way Makes You Faster

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The way you brake for corners is as much of a goldmine for speed as any other area of sim racing. Here's my take on how-to and why, as well as a pep talk for those of us who think we have it nailed, there's always room for improvement - never settle. It's just like buttering bread!
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@raffitorres1714 3 жыл бұрын

When you feel like you’re gonna miss the corner but then you hit the apex is when you know you got the braking perfect.

@39KHall 3 жыл бұрын

I have to practice this. I'm still at the stage of "keep the revs high so I can get on the power, so the nose will tuck in."

@jorehaast9887 3 жыл бұрын

@@39KHall getting on the power to get the nose in??

@istachi 3 жыл бұрын

@@jorehaast9887 I'm still at the stage of "kick it in reverse and floor it, blowing up the engine in the process"

@willb3486 2 жыл бұрын

@@istachi hey man, some of us are even less advanced than you

@OmegaF77 2 жыл бұрын

Your pfp describes my face when the car starts understeering.

@Bullshit_Media 3 жыл бұрын

I once overwhelmed the bread by pressing the knife too hard down while trying to spread the butter... The bread spun, and I ended up hard in the wall. I could have died!

@dannyleeracing 3 жыл бұрын

I've seen many a kitchen tile broken this way

@nathanprocter5030 3 жыл бұрын

One must trail butter in order to spread out the force of the knife

@mul555 2 жыл бұрын

@Felix Fox just needs a space. break fast.

@MicInc87 2 жыл бұрын

Next time try to toast it before. It should be fine.

@tls5870 2 жыл бұрын

What happened is the extra pressure creates heat which dehydrates the bread and causes it to seek Barry R Jam.

@Erelyes 3 жыл бұрын

Racing class at school : brake on the straight before it's too late Me : got it Racing class at college : school lied to you Me : I KNEW IT

@queenpurple8433 2 жыл бұрын

College is school.... 100 people who didn’t even make it through 3rd grade lol

@tristqnejdjeh7278 2 жыл бұрын

@@queenpurple8433 preschool is school. And?

@tobiaskroger7102 2 жыл бұрын

@@queenpurple8433 The definition of the step in the educational system that is called "college" varies across countries :)

@Meylan191083 Жыл бұрын

@@queenpurple8433 Not in the UK it is not.

@yurilopes420 6 ай бұрын

racing class in school is racing taught by people who never raced all is pretty in theory but in practice stuff is different. this also kind of feels similar to the ae86/togue situation where some corners, with some cars, being faster while slightly sliding to preserve speed instead of turning at full grip

@HERMITBOY 3 жыл бұрын

You’ve explained this before, but this is the absolute best explanation verbally and visually ever displayed on KZfaq. No further questions needed. Visually it was the faded redline demonstration. You’ve covered a variety of analogies to appeal to different levels of understanding.

@Outlaw37 3 жыл бұрын

Finding your input vs the brake factor setting is key. if load cell you should be close to 0, if 8 bit pedals default setting is just that, default. sometimes its better to have a longer curve (fudge factor) depending on your personal style of input. .3 is about where i am at on road course cars just because i always cover the brake. 0 is true linear, input to sim which gives you the best consistent feel with a load cell.

@JustinWoo 3 жыл бұрын

This comment, absolutely. This is a terrific explanation of trail braking and I loved it.

@baritonebroker Жыл бұрын

It’s considerably more effective with rear biased cars with slight oversteer. Planted AWD cars like STI/Quattro/EVO families need electronically induced oversteer. Tesla 3 Performance, some FWD hot hatches(Ford & GolfGTI) do some trickery to attempt this purposeful oversteer.

@muhammadnazifkarizqy7844 3 жыл бұрын

When you can explain it with bread and butter, you are clearly the master

@Vegas416 3 жыл бұрын

This is easily the best explanation of trailbraking. Now I know what this braking should look and feel like. Don't stop these tutorials!

@dannyleeracing 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks man, cheers for your support

@SURG3NT 3 жыл бұрын

About time somebody uploaded an accurate explanation and understanding of trail braking.. great vid 👌

@dannyleeracing 3 жыл бұрын

Cheers man, I know there's already a bajillion explanations on what it is but some of us just need it explained in bread terms

@SURG3NT 7 ай бұрын

@bitemyshite ok hot shot! Mr 6000+ iRacing top 1%

@fukyew2936 2 жыл бұрын

The British still eat as if there’s Germans flying overhead

@HardlyaDavidson 3 жыл бұрын

Your comparison is actually perfect, your braking must be buttery smooth!

@X1erra 3 жыл бұрын

This guide is hands down the best trailbraking guide ever made. So many examples in multiple types of corners with pedal input and helping me get into the right mindset / goal. To share this to us for free is truly a blessing. Thank you. ❤️

@11jdstein 3 жыл бұрын

Best explanation I've seen on YT. I've wondered about the connection / contrast between trail braking and "slow in, fast out", but this clears it all up. I'll try this next month at the track!

@MrEDET 3 жыл бұрын

Upgrading to load cell pedals helped me immensly in getting a more constant trailbraking. Imho one of the most important upgrades to start with. Great video!

@FelippeSenne 3 жыл бұрын

agreed

@Dylanbforthree 3 жыл бұрын

Absolutely. And start with small BRF if you have a fanatec LC, makes it much easier to get adjusted to

@notdreadyet33 3 жыл бұрын

Interesting. I've used LC for years, but know quite a few e sports guys that go back to the "cheap" pedals because they're easier for them to be consistent.

@MrEDET 3 жыл бұрын

@@notdreadyet33 that's very weird to hear.. I believe you ofcourse but lc made my braking SO much more consistent, right from the start. I just can't imagine that someone prefers cheap springpedals over lc pedals :-/

@Dylanbforthree 3 жыл бұрын

@@MrEDET I actually used to feel the same way! bought my LC, then put it in the garage for 6 months when my times sucked. Later, when I got a lot better and couldnt shave off time braking anymore, I pulled it out and made the switch back to the LC. For me, the big thing I had to do was wear shoes on my left foot, at least flip flops. I was a socks racer before, and couldnt get the grip you need to properly put pressure on the LC.

@colemacgrath8556 3 жыл бұрын

key takeaway: *DO-NOT-OVERWHELM-THE-BREAD*

@jaason2157 2 жыл бұрын

Wow! What an informative video! Thanks mate! About a year into sim racing and this is by far the best trail braking video I’ve ever seen.

@HalStargazer 2 жыл бұрын

i've watched quite a few videos explaning trail braking and this one is by far the clearest and best explained

@yoku_UwU 2 жыл бұрын

Turns out I had figured out trail braking on my own. Not say I do it well, but at some point I started to do a crude version of this. Now that I know what on earth I’m doing through a corner, I can work on it. Thanks for the video!

@RobertHopkinsArt 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the Trail Braking and BB videos! This has really helped me to visualize what I am doing wrong.

@kuzniets8694 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent! I learnt this by trying to perfect my laps around a slippery Silverstone, and this kind of cornering saved me. It's nice to know its theory, thanks! Now I wanna test it on karts :D

@rockislandlife6383 Жыл бұрын

That was awesome. Will try this and will check your other videos. I hope they are as educational as this one.

@sigmundsakoman7448 2 жыл бұрын

It's been said before and worth saying again, but simply the BEST verbal and visual demonstration available. I will be ensuring my co-driver (my son) learns from this as I can't explain it this well. You are to be applauded. I'm guilty also of the obscure comparative analogy, love it, and breakfast will now look very different to me. Cheers.

@jonboy2950 3 жыл бұрын

I echo the sentiment below, this is one of the best explanations for the technique i have seen on youtube. Thank you very much for providing this, i am sure it is going to help many people improve their laptimes.

@dannyleeracing 3 жыл бұрын

Cheers man, thanks for watching and commenting

@stehawk80 Жыл бұрын

This is the best trail braking guide i never seen before. Simply perfect! I'm into your channel for the first time and I'm going to subscribe instantly after saw this great video! Thank you so much for this explanation! It will help me a lot❤

@dannyleeracing Жыл бұрын

Thanks so much, Ste! Just do a better job cooking your sausages than I did on this day

@vsm1456 3 жыл бұрын

Great guide! Very clear, easy to understand, but also has all the info one need to understand the details.

@GMCRaptor 3 жыл бұрын

Another great clear vid Danny. Even though many of us already understand these lessons, there is much value in your revision lessons. Keep it up👍🇦🇺

@dannyleeracing 3 жыл бұрын

Cheers man, thanks for watching and commenting - I really wanna help folks in their first year of racing most of all, but inspiration is applicable at all stages and I've found myself taking some of my own advice on board more.

@aprosimracing 3 жыл бұрын

Great explanation and very good analogy with the bread! Thank you.

@SlammedZero 5 ай бұрын

Thank you!!! This was, by far, the best video I have seen on trail braking. Not only the way you explained it, but your illustration at the beginning of the video really helped. Again, thank you. Will subscribe.

@dannyleeracing 5 ай бұрын

Thanks so much, dude - I love to think that it's helping people, so cheers for taking a minute to tell me how you felt. 👍

@KyleSpoor 3 жыл бұрын

SUCH A GOOD EXPLANATION!! ... also that bread analogy was * Chefs Kiss*

@adamcasciato1430 3 жыл бұрын

That explanation was on point! I thought I understood trail braking before this video only to figure out I was completely wrong! Cheers!

@woobRobbo 3 жыл бұрын

You are an incredible communicator - keep making the vids, you're going to the top

@dannyleeracing 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks man, real kind of you to comment. Cheers for watching

@Vlame 8 ай бұрын

This is really interesting. I'm quite new in sim racing and still learning about the best ways to drive and break. This could help a lot! Thanks!

@nathanthompson742 2 жыл бұрын

Love the bread analogy lol. Great video and explanation. I'm new to sim racers just starting out and this was very helpful.

@mikehotchkiss8975 2 жыл бұрын

Very well explained thank you. Was aware of trail braking but now I understand it

@GySgt_USMC_Ret. 8 ай бұрын

Outstanding video! Good info! Thanks!

@Element0145 2 жыл бұрын

Great theory demonstration , I will practice and employ this into my racing thank you

@bernardoteodosio 2 жыл бұрын

Got my like and my sub just with that bread and butter analogy. So good.

@Valtias 3 жыл бұрын

All of this guys videos are great, but id say these explanations are his bread and butter.

@bedevil1 3 жыл бұрын

Long needed video. Great infographics!

@jasonlange780 5 ай бұрын

First of all, I’m a complete Noob when it comes to Sim racing, what I have to tell you though is that I’ve watched six or seven videos on trailbraking, and this is the first one that I understood the whole process, you explained this so well and in-depth in a way that was so much easier to understand than everything else that I have watched so thank you for that. I will be looking forward to watching some of your other videos and other techniques.

@ShadowRacing 3 жыл бұрын

I love these videos to be a better driver the most. Also, love the intro☺️

@dannyleeracing 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks man, your support's always appreciated - proper good energy

@preston8367 2 жыл бұрын

Finally! I understand trail braking. Thank you!! Very in depth

@ChristoFerrus 2 ай бұрын

so basically a minimal drift

@coletrickle1775 2 жыл бұрын

01:40 This is a method of acheiving the concept known as "inducing oversteer"

@roddy6924 3 жыл бұрын

Thankyou Sir. I needed some advice on this. Much appreciated. Cheers!

@kitten11977 3 жыл бұрын

thankyou, your style of explanation is second to none. MORE PLEASE DANIEL

@dannyleeracing 3 жыл бұрын

Cheers, thanks for the comment and for watching. Always working on more!

@Kalengo_Gaming 3 ай бұрын

I've never seen this concept explained so nicely. I'm definitely subbing! keep it up!

@dannyleeracing 3 ай бұрын

Much appreciated, and thanks for stopping by!

@davethestalker Жыл бұрын

This will be very useful! Thank you!

@randy94willimas Жыл бұрын

This video is just brilliant. Great lesson.

@roostergeeracing6962 2 жыл бұрын

Sick video! Very informative.

@andrewgoldsmith9764 10 ай бұрын

the best explanation of trail braking bar none, thanks DL i actually understand it much better now and iv just hit the like and subs button 👍

@dannyleeracing 9 ай бұрын

Thanks man, appreciate that a lot!

@perplexical Жыл бұрын

I love these kinds of videos, I study them carefully to become a racing god before I get on the sim and lock up into the barrier.

@GODENGTOOLS12 3 жыл бұрын

Finally! The best explanation about Trail Braking! Thank you very much! I'm practicing my right and left foot a lot, but still with difficulty. I tried running at Mount Panorama and it was awful, hahaha

@dannyleeracing 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks man, appreciate the kind words

@emregungor7 2 жыл бұрын

I noticed that I am doing trailbraking in some corners unconsciously but I learned now what it is and i will use it for all corners, thanks for the video.

@TheRealPlato Жыл бұрын

thx for upload and excellent visuals that earns a sub

@shkooling Жыл бұрын

Absolutely amazing. Thank you for putting this together.

@dannyleeracing Жыл бұрын

Thanks dude, hope it really helps!

@khulgarulfsson8067 3 жыл бұрын

This is a great explanation! Thanks!

@spferace8149 3 жыл бұрын

Great tip on trail braking - Thank You!

@BreakingCars 3 жыл бұрын

That was a great explanation! Sounds strange but doesn't take long for it to feel natural. Sometimes slight overlap of brakes/acceleration helps bring the rear around with a car thats prone to understeer.

@Leroyjenkinsjnr 4 ай бұрын

Great explanation. Just recieved the truebrake I ordered after watching your review. It feels a bit daunting as I've just swapped to a wheel as well. Everything seems up in the air at the moment. Small steps I guess. Videos like yours definitely help. Thanks for your efforts

@owo2528 3 жыл бұрын

Was a little bit skeptical if I can do it on a keyboard since I don't have a sim rig/ controller but after a month, I'm gettin used to it, thx a lot mate! :)

@tomh4951 3 жыл бұрын

very well visualized and explained - thanks for the efforts

@dannyleeracing 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching and commenting man, appreciate it

@Hiroki_Maiko 3 жыл бұрын

amazing vid small bit of comedy with the bread very informative and great explenations

@jalopy_jeff 3 жыл бұрын

As someone who is just now getting in to Sim racing I love this. I definitely was not thinking about trail braking, more of an accident with late braking. Definitely Subbing for more videos like this! Thanks!

@dannyleeracing 3 жыл бұрын

Cheers man, thanks for the kind comment

@haashimshakil 3 жыл бұрын

Great video, thanks!

@christianwardally573 2 жыл бұрын

This is how you explain trail braking, great vid!

@MrCliffhoare Жыл бұрын

Great informative video !! You make it easily understood-- thanks

@dannyleeracing 11 ай бұрын

Thanks, mate! Love to hear it

@commandergeokam2868 3 жыл бұрын

That bread and butter example just got you another like nice i want to see more like this

@mr.nobodyx Ай бұрын

dude this is the best explication I could find out there, thank you

@bigman8642 3 жыл бұрын

Very nice & usefull video, BIG UP

@BrownJedi87 Жыл бұрын

Great video, well explained.

@cercigull 3 жыл бұрын

I'm still new to racing and driving sims, no experience prior at all. My wheel comes tomorrow, but I've been working on trail braking the whole time I have been messing around with the couple games I have played (on controller). I heard about it from a real life touge video, showing a guy doing it and since I saw that I have been trying to get better at trail breaking. This video randomly came up, and I am glad I clicked on it because it showed me I was doing what I want to mostly right, obviously I have a lot to tweak with my lines and general driving but it feels good to not have a car explode on a nasty gutter in beam lol

@XX2000William.PlanBee Жыл бұрын

one of the very best video explaining trailbraking, thankyou danny thankyou

@dannyleeracing Жыл бұрын

Thanks man!

@Sabba7h 3 жыл бұрын

No no... the bread on butter analogy is really good actually. I'm a decent trail braker but I'm still missing that extra grip mid corner sometimes, that really helped. Thanks.

@claeswikberg8958 3 жыл бұрын

Well explained, thank you i will go practice and hopefully ill stop overshooting the corner and have less understear

@p.c.h.6721 2 жыл бұрын

Best video on trail braking I’ve seen 👍

@jimw6659 Жыл бұрын

Great explanation. Thanks 😊

@hb-ol9oc Жыл бұрын

Amazing video !!

@FollowNdFeel 2 жыл бұрын

Baller analogy. I was already understanding what you were talking about but that example is perfect, lol.

@Accurize2 2 жыл бұрын

This was great. I learn best when food is used as positive reinforcement.

@bobk4438 3 жыл бұрын

Nice vid. Thanks!

@hamafr555 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks man, i always wondered how the hell people on youtube braked late and still managed to stop the car in time, well i was braking earlier and in a straight line. Thanks for this

@cesmatt 3 жыл бұрын

Good analogy about bread and butter....although you made me hungry lol Great Vid!

@erikschiegg68 2 жыл бұрын

You can even see the inner front wheel lifting off a bit from the track. Nice video, I'll use this on DiRT.

@ItsJustCarl1983 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome! My lap times have improved dramatically on gt sport with my G29, subscriber gained sir!

@dannyleeracing 2 жыл бұрын

Cheers man, so glad to hear it! This is why I do it, reports like this!

@prenting2840 2 жыл бұрын

You explained it perfectly. Great video!

@dannyleeracing 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks man, glad you enjoyed!

@MyChannel-ky2dh 3 жыл бұрын

Dude imma total racing/sim noob and your explanations made perfect sense! Great video! Ty! 🤓

@dannyleeracing 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching man, you are exactly the audience I want to hit the most so it's good to hear. Enjoy racing!

@DynamiteT 2 жыл бұрын

Best video I’ve ever watched on the subject....trying to improve on F1 and Forza as I’m a relative newbie. This will help!

@dannyleeracing 2 жыл бұрын

Cheers mate, happy to hear it's got you optimistic! Have a good'un

@ROO1KAT 2 ай бұрын

This is by far the best explanation of trail braking on yt

@jaccie1972 Жыл бұрын

Thx Danny, gonna try this for sure. Hope my loadcell is helping to get it

@MasterCamus Жыл бұрын

Mate your videos are the best I found online. The brake bias one helped me to go below .36 on Zandvoort. I shaved .3 from my previous best. Now I sit on 1:35:83 😊

@dannyleeracing Жыл бұрын

Thanks man, love hearing stories of it working for people - bet that feels good having picked up genuine speed and pace!

@GUN69_ 2 жыл бұрын

simply thank you. I have learnt something new in a topic I thought I know in an ok-level. The bread and butter analogy was hillarious :D

@dannyleeracing 2 жыл бұрын

Cheers mate, glad it was insightful. Always love it when someone references the bread and butter example.......

@ashpulse8681 Жыл бұрын

the buttering bread analogy is excellent, bravo

@gregbeatty1218 3 жыл бұрын

Great stuff, and my butter spreading will improve as well cheers for going to the trouble.

@dannyleeracing 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks man, butter on

@millie1810 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you, Danny

@TomasPiliponis 9 ай бұрын

Awesome content, thank you!

@dannyleeracing 9 ай бұрын

Cheers man 👍

@h0pesfall 2 жыл бұрын

Best explanation about this ever. You deserve a cookie for this. Don't have one, so I subscribed!

@dannyleeracing 2 жыл бұрын

Don't worry man, a sub is just as sweet! Cheers

@garryhorsley2902 3 жыл бұрын

Clearly explained, thankyou!

@brunot.9056 2 жыл бұрын

THANK YOU! someone who really could explain this to me!

@dannyleeracing 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for commenting man, I love these types of responses as it is literally my aim to explain things in a new way that works when some more technically direct explanations haven't quite hit the spot. Appreciate the view!

@SCVIndy 3 жыл бұрын

Excellent explanation

@CaliMeatWagon 2 жыл бұрын

Trailbraking is actually pretty easy on a controller. At least with the more modern Xbox controllers. This is because they have rumble motors in the triggers that are used to convey how much grip you have. Full rumble= no grip No rumble= full grip Rumble in the right trigger= grip loss due to acceleration Rumble in the left trigger= grip loss due to braking

@CaliMeatWagon 2 жыл бұрын

@道に迷いました LMAO!

@jordanclark4635 2 жыл бұрын

@道に迷いました on a track, nope, but on rally it’s still doable to the point of world records, and even compared to old controllers, is a massive increase on tracks

@scottd7222 2 жыл бұрын

Way better on the Dualsense with adaptive triggers

@razgriz6627 2 жыл бұрын

Anyone still harking on controllers hasn't used the new ones. I am def faster with a wheel. But honestly not by much. The new duel sense in particular is really easy because you can actually feel loss of traction on the triggers.

@Jimmy-H 2 жыл бұрын

@@razgriz6627 I've only been able to experience this in Forza. Are you able to get it working in AC?