Indeed. Although I am convinced that Dan would've been able to make *any* amp sim sound this good...

If you use high-quality IRs, you can make even outdated amp sims sound good.

yeah but so do others, (its not the gear, its the usage) :+)

The problem with waves is not about quality but about ethics

@@coolvibesradio3267 ☑️☑️☑️

Why?

Dude he's sponsored by WAVES! Smaller manufacturers don't pay as well to make ads for their products.

Because Melda rules and fuck Waves.

@@kehindea Why not?

@@kehindea because he's really good at figuring plugins out and making educational videos about them

I'm pretty sure it's also saturation with Puigchild. Same with Puigtec and most Pultec/Fairchild emulations out there.

Also, most 1073 emulations have a slight low-mid dip, so like an EQ by default.

You guys made me load it into Plugin Doctor! It's not entirely working properly in PD actually, but there does seem to be some interesting saturation. If it adds noise its never been enough to bother me.

@@DanWorrall Interesting enough to make a video about it? :)

tonex

Klanghelm Sdrr2 has fuzz

New Softube Amp Room has a Fuzz pedal in it, it can switch to octafuzz also. IMO sounds great.

The only ones I like are: Fuse Audio Labs - Big-Sur (from their VPB-Bundle) Doom Plugs - Bratwurst (which can be surprisingly tasteful at lower settings) Linda Audio - Fuzzy And finally, the both Fuzz Face and Big Muff models in Audified - Multidrive Pedal Pro

@@hanisa50 yeah, that one is pretty good

Lol. It's over a decade old, totally obsolete, and finally died on me yesterday: I had to finish this video on my laptop! It was built by Carillon (specialist audio PC builders) and lasted twice as long as it had any right to, so I'll probably go back to them for a replacement.

@@DanWorrall Did you record all the guitar parts with that clean DI sound??

@@saftpackerl yes. Possibly excepting the final lead part: I might have used my preamp for that, can't remember.

@@DanWorrall Im sorry to hear that. Sound can inspire playing. Maybe your new PC is gonna be strong enough for real time amp sim stuff. You can always get a cheap multi FX with some basic tones for real time monitoring while recording the dry DI signal, and work with that afterwards. Although when youre that good at anticipating the sound and playing accordingly, tha may be a waste of money...

Delay with diffusion iirc (FabFilter Timeless 3)

Well binaural listening causes the left/right channels to be isolated to each ear while in real life no sound will ever just reach a single ear and not the other. So subtle "narrowing" like this can ironically make a mix feel even more three dimensional on headphones. I remember experimenting with very little haas delay and 6dB/oct low pass filters on only one side to simulate a stereo speaker/room experience for guitar parts. An example would be taking a single guitar recording panning it %30 to one side, putting around a 10 milisecond delay and a low pass at 6khz to the opposite side. You will notice that it will almost sound hardpanned to the side the channel is panned to. It can sound good but is honestly high risk - low reward. Haas delays DRASTICALLY change the percieved position of the sound and are very sensitive to small changes. Bass, drums and vocals become harder to separate because of that but mono compatibility is suprisingly not a big problem as long as you pan them above around %20 in a direction.

yea, it's rather dramatic even on my TV speakers. it depends on what you pay atention on I guess

I did that too

nice to know ;) .

Basically, I write a piece of music that uses the technique in question, then write a script explaining how I used it.

@@DanWorrall Understand. That explains why video and audio feel so melted together.

I like the PRS models too. Voltage and PRS seem comparable in quality to me, but of course personal taste as a player will vary.

I've not tried the UA interfaces, but I would be very surprised to find the converters were that coloured. Are you coming back in via the preamps? If you can't transparently loop back from line output to line input then the interface is broken IMO.

lookahead was set at 1 ms and attack was set at 1 ms, means it right on time with transients. nothing soft about this settings

longer attack doesnt soften transients...quite the contrary: it lets them through, kepps them before the compression starts

Pro-G is a gate, not a compressor

@@saftpackerl this is a gate, not a compressor

You guys beat me to all the correct answers. Yes it's a gate not a compressor. And lookahead compensates the attack, which is itself faster than it looks: the control is scaled to give you very fine control where you need it most, with very fast settings. There are a few notes that don't fully open the gate. But the 'guitar' style in Pro-G is very forgiving, and with the amp distortion you don't really notice. I dialed it in with the amp in place, didn't spot that at all till I bypassed it to make the video.

It's just a reverb level amount knob.

There are two ways to create stereo width: level differences, or phase differences. An unlinked compressor might mess up the former, but might enhance the latter. The hard panned guitars create a pseudo stereo image, based on phase difference primarily. The mix as a whole uses a mixture of phase and level differences to create width. I tend to prioritise a sense of space over pinpoint precise placing of parts within the stereo image (depending on the mix) so I'm more likely to unlink my bus compression than link it. It's a matter of taste though, there's no right or wrong. Also it's only doing about 1 dB of gain reduction, and the left / right gain reduction is highly correlated anyway, so the difference in gain between the two channels is never going to be very large.

@@DanWorrall Dan thanks for the interesting video, I am bemused by the use of phase in this context. In electronics the two sources have to be completely coherent for phase difference to have validity, which two performance of the same guitar part no matter how good the player cannot be, so the phase relationship between the two parts is completely chaotic , they simply have minor timing differences which is not the same thing. Robert.

It's not completely chaotic: they're playing the same part, they're correlated to an extent. The chaotic phase is what creates the sense of width, and that's why I call it pseudo stereo not proper stereo.

@@DanWorrall Thank you for your insight, and for going further in-depth in your latest video, it's been really valuable.

I checked that carefully: same integrated loudness for both, though the peaks are a tiny bit lower with the processing switched in.

Saturation!

​@@DanWorrall thats mindboggling difference in precieved loudness

This is an actual guitar track, what did you think I was playing? I don't record my valve amp these days because it's too loud and it kills my ears for the rest of the day. And I can get equally good results from amp sims IMO. But if you can find a guitar tone anywhere in my musical output that ticks your boxes better, let me know and perhaps I can do a similar breakdown.

@@DanWorrall a guitar it is, thats not the point, the loss of natural attack dynamics printed with your hands and pick, the relationship between attack-release and the harmonic response is from a plug in , an amp behaves and breath in a different way , that was the point , a plugin response tends to kill the player nuances... volume dynamics are in the hands , same with ghost notes that a compressed signal from a distortion plugin tends to heavily dehumanise ... more player and less overkill with plug ins. I enjoyed your guitar parts, plus your insights on recording are spectacular, in no way I'm trying to imply any negative criticism on your fenomenal work, if there is anything for me to say, Mr, Worrall I respect your sharing on details that i would have never imagined by myself. loud amps are a drag, and ruins your day, I clearly understand that. no affense Dan. ! and thanks for your input in every YT video you upload.

PRS and Voltage seem comparable in quality to me, both quite versatile, matter of taste I think. Not tried GTR3 properly yet.

​@@DanWorrallThanks for the answer! Guess i'll stick with my PRS plugs then.

I think console emulation basically boils down to saturation. I love saturation and use loads of it when I mix. But I don't feel the need to add the same type of saturation to every channel. They each get whatever works for that part or bus.

Not unless you're counting every band initially! Top down: tiny bit of master bus EQ; hefty EQ on the guitar bus, which I split into two instances for the sake of clarity; Volcano filters, sort of count; one more EQ on one of the guitars. Not that much really!

Of course, other than that, this is an amazing video (as always)! :)

​@@Jarichi i think it's fixed now

@@TransistorLSD Yes, great!

Sure. But I got that guitar for the pickups not the body shape ;)

@@DanWorrall Well, early Black Sabbath records are also famous for P90-like pickups (single coils)... That's why i asked!

It's one stereo instance. I assume that means linked compression, but I haven't actually checked.

Or how about, the interesting thing about the voltage amps is that it’s input gain sweet spot is easy to find right inside of another amp sim. Badump.

I think better mono compatibility also makes for a more solid and stable centre image. And I mix my clients' music to be mono compatible, why would I not do the same for my own?

@@DanWorrall thx for your insights. and yes, when you a/b-ed the m/s eq there i immediatly felt like narrowing this crucial range of the guitar sound glued the tracks together in a nice way, making it more solid. btw, you should totally make some more videos about certain effect chains you were proud of in your beats. i like that it's more of a mix of techniques, rather than just a single plugin showcase thing or a clininical test. shows more of your casual side

I may not have phrased that as well as I could. With the EQ in there's less sense of two separate hard panned parts. Which I guess you could describe as a narrowing of the mix. Perhaps better phrasing: the MS EQ turns the two separate guitars into one unified stereo riff. One, wide but focused part, instead of two identifiably separate parts.

@@DanWorrall thanks for clarifying but i got what you meant the first time around as well. i also do that all the time. i mean starting off hard-panning stuff, then grouping it and then apply mid/side effects to define the narrow-ness and stuff. maybe still a good topic for a video. like.. what type of effects can be used in this configuration and how you use it most of the time, or something outstanding :)

​@@DanWorrallI tried this trick on a rock mix, and guitars started to overwhelm the vocals 😢

Why do you consider Waves to be unethical? And why should I?

@@DanWorrall Hi Dan - Google reckons unethical is 'actions that are against social norms or acts that are considered unacceptable to the public'. In my world, changing the meaning of the word 'perpetual' in a legal agreement, after the fact, is covered in that. I wasn't saying you should find it unethical though - although I had thought that you had registered that many of us very much do. Are you saying you are fine with their corporate behaviour? It's your right - I'm just surprised is all,

@@user-uv2yo7nx4c they rolled that back after about two days, right? What's the problem?

​@@user-uv2yo7nx4cYou know they brought back individual licenses, right? I still hate them, but not to the point of being disappointed by Dan's videos.

@@DanWorrall My personal opinion is that failing to take an unethical stance solely due to external pressure is not the same as being ethical. Also, the individual licences don't appear to me to be perpetual either, as after a year, I have found that they start crashing. I have heard many others say the same thing. I bought nearly all my Waves plugins at the same time and they did not crash during the first year, yet they are listed as the cause of most crashes. (BTW - I am not looking for a fight - I am genuinely concerned is all.)

No worries. Thanks for boosting the video with a comment though ;)

@@DanWorrall You deserve all the boost possible so you can drop the waves sponsorship

@@coolvibesradio3267 I'm not sponsored by Waves, I'm in the affiliate scheme. Honestly, comments like this just make me want to do more Waves videos. I don't get the Waves hate.

@@DanWorrall Well, please do! :) More Waves videos = more content from Dan!

it was apparently a viewer comment calling it 'dream tone' not Dan

@@shaft9000 i know

It sounds good tho.

@@BukanIbuMu Meh. It sounds fine and perfectly do-able without needing WAVES!!!! It'd be fine as a talk about getting guitar sounds in the box as opposed to being an ad for WAVES!!!!! It just leaves a bad taste in the mouth. It feels cheap. It is cheap.

_dont hate the playa , hate the game_

It fits in the mix perfectly

@@TransistorLSD but the sound sucks...

@@kianhendrick3794 Well, it's your opinion. I disagree.

@@TransistorLSD it sounds digital and cheap..

@@kianhendrick3794 Well, it's your opinion. I disagree.