Pretty much 😅 in different ways, but still capturing that feeling...I think he's just not afraid to explore these complicated themes and doesn't hold back because he believes in childrens' intellectual resilience. He wanted to tell a story only an adult could tell, through the lens of a child

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@@ThaneGaming that's a really good way of putting it. In a way, earthbound shows children the extremely dark things but does so in a way similar to a parent. I really think earthbound had almost completely unanimous positive influence on people who played it - especially children. It hits in certain way other games don't and in ways other games never could. Because a lot of the topics addressed are things that would be extremely traumatizing in real life, and I think it's extremely important for children to see the world for what it truly is. But the way they are shown the world really matters, I know certain parts of my childhood traumatized tf out of me and I wouldn't want someone else to have to go through those same things.

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@@ThaneGaming your phone you can do it to the house and it is a you can

this line is so good. Why do I feel so much comfort thinking about the analogy.....

@@_timetravels4528 it promises retribution

Is anyone happy for Porky actually getting what he wants in the end, and it causes no body else's fate in the end?

I can see that, it definitely does feel and seem like that must be what the creator is trying to tell and show an adult story through a innocent point of view from a child. Especially since the main character use kid l

Sorry about that, but yeah like I said it does seem like that is what the creator of the Mother series was trying to tell a very dark and adult like story ( mostly with the third and final game) by the point of view of a young kid.

Wow., never noticed it

Maybe read my comment on the whole video, and all replies it gets, so you can really feel sorry for the all characters in the mother series.

I first played and beat this game close to a decade ago and I'm still learning new things about it.

Me too. Even now when i replay again, i avoid the flying mans and just grind my levels up.

rightfully so, for my all time fave game :)

@@theheckler399 it's certainly become my favorite of the three, and it's forever in my top three list for favorite games of all time 😊

Didn't stop me from watching the whole thing

@@NateState you're awesome, thank you for watching it all!

​@@ThaneGaming Giygas background is even darker then you said. George escaped after Maria died, when small Giegue fall in despair distracting aliens. Because they didn't understand emotions only thing they could do was to wipe his memory and call experiment a failure. Many years later during preparations to invasion, Giegue learned from analytic device known as Apple of Enlightenment that boy hold key to his defeat. Learning about his PSI powers, he launch attack prematurely assuming that is the threat. But it set him on self-fulfilling prophecy because fact that he did try kill descendant of Maria, was the key. When kids start singing lullaby, he regain memory and fall in despair again. There is a interesting theory regard Earthbound events not being as most people think. There is obvious plothole, what could be intentional. Regard the fact that Giygas was supposedly attacking form the past. But how if he was defeated? Furthermore in Mother 3 we learn that great war did happen. Some people imply that traumatized Giygas was actually locking the system. But Dr. Andonuts (who is absolutely sus) working with Poki manipulate party to remove him from power, exactly so Poki could takeover the system leading to the war. And finally. Even if series would not be continued (for many reasons, most notably it being Itoi way to deal with his own personal problems). This franchise quite possibly has continuation. Ape known now as Creatures is in fact one of core members of the Pokémon company, responsible for the lore. In fact Pokémon has tons of references to Mother with most obvious ones being Ultra Space from Sun and Moon. Also fun fact: "é" is read as "i". It is a French letter, with Pokey (Poki/Poké) Minch also being French in origin. In fact Mother 3 would explain character of Lieutenant Surge from Pokémon Red/Blue, who is canonically American (yes!) soldier fighting in long forgotten war in the past. I really hope they would reveal in Pokémon Legends: Arceus, it being actually continuation of Mother 3. It would be amazing!

This is one of my favorite comments yet 😆 thank you

Technicaly this sarted with a posses Lamp and ended with a Dragon destroying the world for make a new one

Suicide? I never interpreted it as suicide... I always thought that it was Claus realizing it was finally time to rest. I mean, Porky basically just reanimated his corpse, right? Claus wasn't meant to be alive.

@@Squib-kb2tn that still counts as suicide

woah I never thought of that

@@scoobs2.088 Yeah! Also completely forgot I made this comment lol

True--seeing Giygas without context is what got me to finally try out and play through the game though! Sorry if you dislike the fact that I put it in the thumbnail...I normally wouldn't

Wait, Sephiroth is the final boss of Mario?

@@Nachisoubu Yeah, he’s the final boss of the new Mario and Luigi game.

Ooh, that's a good one. I love how sardoniclly it's delivered 😅 the atmosphere of that entire scene and most every line by Dr. Andonuts is a gold mine of Dark Aspects

Ruined a little by being delivered through a character called ANDONUTS, but I am sure in the Japanese original it was more foreboding.

@@MariaIsabellaZNN Well, Andonuts are what they call donuts filled with red bean paste in Japan, so make of that what you will.

@@legomaniac856 so no, it wasnt more foreboding

@@hunbi1875 Indeed, it wasn't.

i thought it was just because ninten and ness are dead in mom 3

The music scares me. The old technologically restriced Sprites of mother 1 adds to my horror.

What do you mean by being above evil instead of just defeating? I don’t remember Ness and Ninten doing anything bad 👀

@@Lynk56 Ness and Ninten beat random dogs on the street with baseball bats for the lolz

@@tonic196 Lucas’s fate is unknown considering the end of Mother 3, but I like to say that he and the rest of the cast survived after pulling the seventh needle

Porky s just the worst

I understand, but he did too much shit for me to feel bad, you dont destroy the world because you wanted to be someone's friend

I mean at the same time his interaction with the party before his boss fight blatantly haves him note - "Oh it's okay I've been abused so I get to do whatever I want to everyone else in retribution, because you'll forgive me right?" I feel too many people fall into that trap in real life where they forgive harmful actions that are understandable but not justifiable. Regardless of what happened to turn him into a monster he still hurt people sorely for entertainment since he's still mentally a child unwilling to grow up

@@icefiredragon94 I think people who instantly jump to "Yeah but Porky sucks" are missing the point of the comment-- And he does! Porky is an insufferable prick throughout Earthbound and just a straight up monster in Mother 3. But I think what's really highlighted here is that Porky demonstrates a cycle of abuse and *especially* what happens when someone chooses to just follow it-- Porky didn't get love, so he wants to deprive everyone else of it. And that's disgusting, obviously, as explainable as it is. But showing compassion-- disrupting this cycle, giving love to someone who doesn't have it-- is all the more important to make sure it never spirals to Porky's levels of true, unhinged, childish cruelty. A lot of people read Ness (possibly?) rejecting Porky's friendship as the turning point for Porky's unmatched destructiveness later on. And that's understandable too-- Ness is a middle schooler tasked with saving the world, who pretty rationally doesn't want to deal with his annoying, bratty neighbor who just collaborated with a child-kidnapping *cult*. But Ness, thus, never steps in at a point where Porky *could* really benefit from it. Never at any point can Porky's actions be called forgivable. He's awful. Genuinely awful. But I think it's more important to instead interpret them as *preventable.*

@@icefiredragon94 I agree, too many people forgive too easily. You're only a victim until you make someone else a victim, too. If someone lashes out and yells, that's forgivable. If they tread into a pattern of abuse, they've crossed a line. Same with depression leading to becoming negligence, and many other things. While people should ve understanding, and even allow one to work to atone for what they've done, but there's a line one crosses where "your problems" are no longer just "your problems" once you've inflicted them strongly enough on others with no remorse or will to change.

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Can't relate in the slightest. My Brother was a blackmailing asshole who bullied me constantly trough my life. Outside of blood we don't share anything. And i couldn't care less if he passed away. Same as it eas with our parents.

​@@Acacius1992It's a sad thing to have a loved one who is not a loving one. But you know what? Take care of yourself. You can still have yourself to love.

Then why is Porky in the 'END?' screen?

@@SBaby Because he's in the Absolutely Safe Capsule. It survives absolutely everything, or it wouldn't be absolutely safe.

@@Johurph86 But when the thing has no form, there is no way to protect against it.

@@SBaby Yet even you say the "thing" has no form. Formed or formless, it's apparently still a "thing," thus resisted by the capsule that protects from every-"thing"... :D

@@Johurph86 No, the capsule protects from every FORM of attack, not every THING. If it protected from every THING, Porky would never have been able to enter it in the first place.

The funny thing is that is a completely correct one-sentence synopsis of the entire series. I can see it as the tag line for a trilogy compilation 😆 Thanks for sticking with it for the 3 hours...let me know what you think!

@Ik Don't forget Deltarune! Lots of trauma there.

@@queen-lilyorjiako268 correct The teacups... Snowgrave spamton fight Jevil I ...I'm shivering... Very scared

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@@voidthesupermassiveblackhole If your being sarcastic, Deltarune suggests various dark things which can be inferred from text primarily in the light world. e.g. It's possible Susie is homeless as none of the houses in the town are suggested to be hers. From dark world text, its likely that Noelle's sister December has died or gone missing.

@Ur Money Lol True, but given Porky's ability to time travel, and his immortality, it could work. And the fact that everyone but Leder was made to forget the apocalypse may add more credence to that theory. And who knows, maybe Leder did know it was Porky's ultimate doing, but chose not to disclose it for whatever reason. Doesn't make sense, but it is possible.

@Ur Money Lol Not necessarily, Porky may have started it, but everyone else didn't have to go along with it.

Or maybe porky somehow started the apocalypse. Not the guy who did everything but maybe he set the ball rolling towards it.

I thought they were just Greta Garbo

@@LowCountryMatt Greta garbo? Who's that again?

I'll have to remember that one, love it! Itoi would be proud

Would it be pronounced “Coff” or “Coff-e”?

@@saldoesstuff1925 coffee

It's a little creepy...like vague foreshadowing. "Oh ness? He's you, basically, in the future." At the time you're like "what? No way" but now you think about it and go "Holy shit...that's creepy"

Eldritch horror.

Being a Magypsie, Fassad likely was alive after that battle. Battered, broken, constantly drowning in sewage, unable to climb out, but unable to die until the final needle was pulled. A fitting fate. I just feel bad for the mouse, though. The mouse did nothing wrong.

​@@AaronJLong itd be a more fitting fate for Fassad

God, I absolutely love this theory. I think I've heard it a couple times, that Mother 3 is the middle game in the series and that the first two games are retellings of the same story, one of which took place before Mother 3 and the other taking place after the Dark Dragon awoke and reset everything. Which is which, I'm not sure, but it sorta feeds into this theory, I think? Though, something still confuses me, which is that clearly Giygas is still depicted as the leader of the aliens in Mother 2. Are Giygas and Porky just... different incarnations of the same person? This series breaks my brain sometimes.

@@GarryDumblowski Giygas is Porky. The aliens in Earthbound are likely either a separate race of beings that he met at some point in the millions/billions of years he lived, or they're artificially intelligent robots or cyborgs that were created by technology so advanced that humanity can't even fathom it. Bear in mind that Porky in Mother 3 was already augmenting people and creatures with cybernetic implants. So this would just be the evolution of that concept.

That is a good point--I don't like using repeat language either so Marcus could've just wanted to mix it up. Ness' Nightmare is still a really cool name

@@ThaneGaming Also Alliteration.

Woah when did this happen... (maybe i should pay more attention to existing lul)

I'm with you... I feel that especially recently with all the new discoveries and findings about the game, we have a better understanding as to what the scrapped build was like and all the ways it differed from the MOTHER 3 we got. I'm sure that with all of these bits and pieces archived, someone will someday attempt to recreate a playable MOTHER 64 😊

Hey good point! I honestly didn't think of the sewers as much more than a way to explore the grimiest depths of the polluted city, to see where all that runoff waste & toxicity pools. New Pork City is not built to last, and this vile underground system is a good way to show that (along with Porky's lack of care for his citizens, and the environment of course). The apartments are definitely harder to explain, and the fact that they are abandoned is a bit unnerving so I'm glad you brought them up! As a wild guess, maybe they were newly constructed as living quarters for the Pigmasks in charge of building the city? Forcing his workers to live in such an unsightly, unsanitary place sounds like a very Porky thing to do. And since it's all underground, maybe the sewers/apartments were the first spot they looked for the needle? That makes even more sense for the apartments to have been left behind--once work started on the Empire Porky Building everyone moved to dig over there instead 🤔 thanks for the comment, this is really interesting to think about! I almost want to make another video on the topic...if I do I'll be sure to cite you as the inspiration!

I take it those apartments were meant for either the troops and staff building the city, or the brainwashed people Porky ripped from other eras.

Wow! Thank you so much for the kind words, I'm really glad you took ths time out to watch all of this and left such a detailed comment. I did put my heart & soul into this, it was always a major goal of mine to compile a crazy long analysis like this for my favorite game series ever, and include trivia diehard fans might not even know! I'm happy it gave me an avenue to talk about them with as much depth as I wanted--MOTHER 3 has resonated most with me as well (in large part due to Itoi interviews about that game explaining what he was trying to accomplish with it). I will never stop uploading videos about this trilogy, and the third game will always be a priority 😁 I'm just happy this passion project came through and MOTHER fans like yourself can appreciate it!

To piggyback on this comment. I love videos like these to watch while I go to sleep and eventually see the whole thing. I hope each one of my views counts towards the overall count.

@@freesheep0 that's awesome, thank you so much 😊 watching while you fall asleep is a good idea, I should do that more often...I usually either listen to longer videos like a podcast while I do chores (but then you miss out on visuals) or watch them slowly in parts and keep coming back to it whenever I sit down to eat. I'm not sure if they count as separate views but it does for watch time which is super important and helps the channel a ton!

did you finish it yet?

I enjoyed yours as well

Yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy Edit: Wtf is this I fucking butt dialed an entire reply while I was sleeping. KZfaq must have been on auto play wtf. How does this happen where I fall asleep, KZfaq auto plays to this video, I somehow click on this comment to reply, click to add a reply, hold the y key, and then send the reply. WTF AM I DOING IN MY SLEEP?!?!?!

You're based

Finish it yet?

That is so great to read, really. Thank you! My goal is to reach 10,000 subs by the end of the year; the plan is to put out a mix of Dark Aspects and other unrelated MOTHER videos 😊

Woah, hey there Kenisu! Big fan of your translations & contributions to the MOTHER series, thank you for the comment and the new info. I'll be sure to check out the link, perhaps I'll do an update for this retrospective! I was actually planning on mentioning you again in a separate, upcoming video--I'm going to be covering the two Saori Kumi MOTHER novels that were recently fan translated by Nyaasu Nekoban and wanted to give a brief history of prior attempts to translate them into English. Would I be able to ask about your own efforts? From my research, it looks like you did put out excerpts from a handful of chapters and a complete sample of the first chapter. Do I have it right that you finished a rough draft of the full book that wasn't posted online? I also wanted to ask if you've read Nyaasu's version, and what you thought of it. Thank you again, feel free to reach out any time; let me know if you want a link to the video script!

@@ThaneGaming Sure thing, I'll write up my history with the novel's translation and get back to you!

Thank you for saying so! It’s definitely the biggest project I’ve done for the channel, I’ve been really looking forward to this compilation because it’s so satisfying seeing every episode come together 😃

That would have been intense. I believe in the theory that visions of Hinawa in the Tanetane hallucination were what was cut to make it less horrifying, so perhaps Itoi had the idea of bringing Hinawa back like Claus at one point and scrapped it. Would've been interesting to see the mother & child villain dynamic--maybe Flint would've had a more integral role in making them momentarily come to their senses at the end? Sorry this is months late lol, I was looking back at the comments again and realized I never responded to this

I'm surprised they didn't stoop that low, considering they built a secret path under the graveyard, at the same time though, since Hinawa was a rather popular person on the village, any Pigmask entering her gravestone area would've immediately raised suspicion, especially if caught by Flint. Now that you bring it up i'm still not sure why the Zombie Lady enemies look like her. Flint was gonna have a more integral role, according to unused sprites, but it would've been in other chapters, i assume during Chapter 7 when the gang splits up

@@ThaneGaming, no problems, Happy New Year with lots of dreams coming true! I do remember Itoi saying that the original dialogue for TaneTane Island made himself scared. So maybe Hinawa *was* the integral contributor to the scare factor, but we never know until Word-of-God doesn't reveal it. Not that potential parent abuse from Flint wasn't enough, though.

@@Duskool, great points. Also, the weird thing with the Zombies is as follows: - if they were present, in a way or other, in a "natural" state around Tazmily, Wess would've explicitly advised Duster to have caution to them, since -after all- these two were walking outside at night; - Pigmasks somehow reviving Hinawa as a zombie would be plausible, if not for the fact that they really have an obsession/necessity(?) of reconstructing them using technology. I personally think there was some minor narrative factor in Earthbound 64, where the Zombie(s) appeared as well, and might have very well left out in the GBA final game. IMO that would've been the link to the Zombies and their potentially raised relevance to the story.

There's a big reason Undertale, Lisa: the Painful and Omori were al inspired by Mother.

Knowing what happened to the multiple universes/timelines that Pokey visited and how, apparently, the predicted future of all of them was an apocalyptic event that finished with almost all humankind except for a few selected individuals; and the abusive household usual model where one of the abused kids escapes, having the only child left having to endure even more abuse than before to "make up" for the "insolence" of their sibling... If Picky didn't die due to the apocalypse, then he probably did or at least suffered greatly the rest of his life due to the abuse he probably had to endure with Pokey's absence.

This is the best sort of comment I could read; that's exactly the feeling I want to evoke with my videos! I'm so glad this one had an effect on you, I too am always reminded of why I love this series when I'm making them 😊

probably because trifectas that possess a fourth component -- the fourth component is of pseudo-intrinsic value. i.e. what does a tree need? water, sunlight, soil. air is the pseudo-intrinsic value. what does a pbj sandwich need? peanuts, jelly, bread. heat is the pseudo-intrinsic value. how many primary colors are there? 3. how many logs to form the ideal vector for a fire? 3.

Well thank you for watching it all the way through to the end! This took a couple hundred hours of my own life to make 😅 what'd you think overall?

@@ThaneGaming honestly i loved it, it explained the inspiration and overall plot of Mother. My eyes started tearing up tho near the end of the video cause you reminded me of when I was playing Mother 3. When Lucas was fighting Claus and Lucas tried to hit him, it simply says "Lucas shut his eyes tightly" and he misses and then it says "Lucas wanted to cry". Hearing those words brought tears to my eyes. I'm glad your showing people the beauty of Mother. Keep up the good work dude👍(Fun fact: I got into Mother AFTER I mained Lucas. So I guess you could say Smash is the reason I love mother.)

@@poke_kage5662 thank you for saying so! I'm thankful the emotions landed for the ending segments of the video, I wanted to really do the game justice so I spent more time making sure I got the delivery right than anything else I've ever made. That's awesome you had the opposite experience to me in getting into the MOTHER series after maining Lucas--I'm so glad he continues to be represented in Smash for the chance that a fraction of that huge fan base might check out the game he's from and fall in love with it!

My condolences to your mother passing--thank you for the sweet anecdote about the similarity between her name and Onett. I won't forget that, it's so nice she could connect with the game and had an easy way to remember it 😊

I'm pretty sure Itoi has stated he won't make another one, as he would have nothing to add to the series. He said something about making the games in parallel to his daughter growing up. He was divorced iirc and the split up of his family had alot to do with the emotions in the game. You can find it in his own words online. Its not hard to find :)

Reggie has said that if they ever did localize Mother 3 they would have to cut a lot of stuff out that would be considered offensive in the modern day, like everything involving the magispsies, but then it wouldn't be mother 3 anymore. So Nintendo keeps the fan translation up despite knowing about it and treats it as official and endorses it internally but can't publicly release the translation themselves or talk about it because they'd get backlash.

@@krimsonkatt must be why one piece isnt being fully translated, Impel down and the Okama...

@@michaelslowmin but I'm sure there are others that could add a lot to the series, imagine what Toby Fox could do paired up with the Everhood Developers...

@@flewis02 That'd be cool. I also feel like it wouldn't be the same without itoi tho. These games were so personal to him, I don't think that anything could get the right feel. That's just my opinion tho.

If you want a great let's play of Earthbound you should watch Chuggaaconroy's remake LP of it. It contains lots of trivia and he isn't rude.

It being a fight against an invisible Snake is so genius...I absolutely love the spirits in that game

I know this comment is as old as an Ancient Banana, but I wanted to let you know that I've since removed that segment from this video, after thinking about similar recent comments for a while. I was initially trying to suggest that I didn't think Itoi was so overtly delivering a black & white message that "capitalism = evil", but I did not spend enough time on that point well enough to have made it, and I do think my "main take-away" was weak. I agree with what you've written here, so I wanted to say thanks for your input (and helping me understand why I was wrong)!

@@ThaneGaming very cool. Still love your stuff by the way. I know this reply is even older than the comment were when you replied, but that's how it goes when the KZfaq notification feature is busted.

I'm glad that part resonated with you, I had wanted to talk more about my experience with ocd but was always hesitant--this was the game that really helped me cope & come to terms with it in a positive light though, so I figured there wouldn't be a better opportunity 😊 thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts!

You’re amazing! I’m praying like Paula there were no issues in the merging process 😆 yes please let me know what you thought overall, if you had any favorite or least favorite parts going through the whole thing!

@@ThaneGaming I’ll go thru a few times and check back in what I think was great and what could help with next videos, for now I gotta sleep so far though, while I wind down watching it, the narration is engaging, and the emotion/mood setting is quite hooking! pacing is solid, though I would make transitions more of a quick and fluid “chapter” kind of transition, not sure how to describe it. plot description and personal/objective theorizing feels genuinely interesting! your passion for this shines through and that helps me get immersed quite a bit

@@Zawmbbeh That'd be great, thank you so much for the feedback! I'm glad to hear those aspects resonated with you and that my passion for doing the series justice came through! As for the transitions, do you mean I should do more of what I did at 29:10 and clearly separate topics? Thanks again for the thoughtful comment 😄

@@ThaneGaming that works! i think what i meant back there was to use narration to merge the episodes rather than a cut and title card, though that is a fine way of doing it as well. otherwise i loved everything in this video!

That is the kindest feedback I've received in a while--I truly thank you for taking the time to watch it all and explain in detail what in particular resonated with you! I have started listening to this video again like a podcast myself so I can reflect on the flow and which parts of the script sounded better; I agree with you on the episode transitions as they do end a little abruptly, so I'll play around with other methods next time to keep everything smooth. I'm really happy you enjoyed & found value in this, it means a lot that the longform narration kept you engaged. I've always thought that the script is the most critical element in a video like this, so I spent the most time researching and fine-tuning the writing! Carefully covering the games' themes in depth was daunting at first, so it's reassuring to finally have it altogether here, in a way that ultimately addressed the questions that came to you as a MOTHER fan 😁

i assume most people dunno the meme so i am just satisfying myself with this comment lol

Hey thank you! I am 100% with you, MOTHER 3 especially changed my outlook and approach to life for the better. His worldview and perspective (particularly after reading the Nintendo Dream MOTHER 3 interview) is something I think about often--Itoi's work honestly influences me every day 🙂