The Airplane That Shocked the US Into a Response

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10 ай бұрын

It was November 1950. The Korean War was in full swing when a formation of B-29 Super fortresses made its way beyond the border to strike a hostile airbase.
When the bombers sighted their target, one of the B-29s was suddenly struck by an explosion. The F-80 escorts reacted slowly and went after an unidentified aircraft.
Nevertheless, it promptly stripped away without difficulty and left the escorts puzzled and amazed by the speed, high operating altitude, and impressive climbing ability of the aircraft.
It was the first encounter of American aircraft with the USSR’s first fighter jet, the swept-wing MIG-15, an aircraft that took the US Air Force by surprise and quickly established air supremacy over the skies of Korea.
Developed as a bomber interceptor to end American bombing raids, the MIG-15 was so effective at tearing down warplanes that the US was forced to accelerate the development of the F-86 Sabre to reclaim air superiority again before the war in Korea ended.
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@johntrottier1162 10 ай бұрын

You missed a cool factoid about the first Mig15 the US got to examine. The Mig was brought to Okinawa Kadena airbase to be evaluated. The USAF send over a handpicked pilot to "wring the plane out" and find it's strengths and weaknesses. That pilot was Chuck Yeager, the same pilot who flew the first aircraft faster than the speed of sound. While there, a senior F86 pilot told Yeager that the F86 was far better than the Mig and could easily win any engagement. Chuck Yeager said it was not the plane but the pilot that mattered. There was only one answer to that and the two ended up facing off. Yeager easily "waxed the tail" of the F86 while flying the Mig. They swapped planes, and again, and Yeager, now in the F86, "waxed the tail" of the Mig15. The senior pilot ended up buying a lot of rounds at the O club that night.

@andyman8630 10 ай бұрын

thanks for the tip Maverick! lol

@alanaspurling6469 10 ай бұрын

Oswald Boelcke was the first to find that tactics can overcome slight deficits in weapons systems performance. This is how the Eindecker remained tactically relevant long after its obsolescence.

@matthewbratton3825 10 ай бұрын

The British gave the Russians a Rolls Royce jet engine as a gesture of friendship. Wrong move and they made their own version and toured the Rolls Royce plant and got shavings etc from special shoes from floor and figured out materials. The Russians had problems with turbines shredding.

@jaykilbourne1110 10 ай бұрын

I always find this "Russian stole tech" line to be funny. Why? The fact that they were developing the tech anyway meant they would have achieved the same results eventually, but perhaps not early enough to matter.@@matthewbratton3825

@kkteutsch6416 10 ай бұрын

The british gave the Nene jet engine to soviets and to americans also, none of them but the english and germans as long as the french had developed jet engines...

@macjim 10 ай бұрын

The ME262 did not have an engine air intake in the nose!

@SmoothieGR 10 ай бұрын

he has it mixed up with Ta-183 which also has swept back wings so its double confirmed

@conradnelson5283 10 ай бұрын

The proof is in the video.

@andthenhedead6076 10 ай бұрын

@@conradnelson5283just because someone puts it in a video means it’s true just google “ME262”

@Choonqk 10 ай бұрын

@conradnelson5283 bruv the ME 262 had Double jet engines on each side

@benjaminw6985 10 ай бұрын

I unsubscribed because of the constant errors.

@billgund4532 10 ай бұрын

Dad was a F-80 driver in Korea. As an impetuous 2nd. Lt. he made the mistake of tangling with a MiG 15 (unbeknownst to dad, the MiG had a friend) trolling for young & dumb "Second Looeys." Dad did escape with minor damage to the top of the vertical stabilizer and right wing. Sadly, he didn't upgrade to the F-86 until after the cessation of hostilities. Rest in Peace Dad

@markusmottus1686 10 ай бұрын

Rest in peace and thank you for your service 🙏🏻 Also thank you for sharing!🙏🏻

@FishFlys 10 ай бұрын

Amazing he was able to escape two mig15s with a world war 2 jet! Your Dad must have been quite the fighter jet pilot

@billgund4532 10 ай бұрын

@@FishFlys Dad had a great career. He didn't rack up any aerial victories, but whatever he did, it was with skill & dedication. Half of his 20 yr career was instructing (F-86 & F-104) and the remaining 10 yrs saw him flying F-80, F-84, A-4 (Navy Exchange) O-1 & F-4. When he was in his 80's, I plied him with his favorite "tongue oil" and got him talking about flying for several hours. Sadly my Radio Shack cassette recorder chose to self terminate that night. Sadly, dad passed away in '21. I have his flight suit, helmet & spurs (you Starfighter fans will know what the spurs reference is about😉)

@b1646717 10 ай бұрын

I am a 2nd LT, and I have pooped inside my aircraft just a little bit. Good day.

@billgund4532 10 ай бұрын

@@b1646717 LOL! Dad did mention having had an "accident" or two. And a bunch of near misses.

@roykliffen9674 10 ай бұрын

Narrator: "[MiG-15] The USSR's first fighter jet" MiG-9: Am I a joke?

@SmoothieGR 10 ай бұрын

3 are known to survive, as in it was a death trap

@clc2328 10 ай бұрын

yea it really was.....shooting its guns caused it to malfunction in flight

@Master_Teaz 9 ай бұрын

@@clc2328 to be fair it was ad hoc and quickly thrown together, though the Yak-15 and 17 also exist and could fire its guns without malfunctioning, it was based on the Yak-3 airframe and had similar properties to a prop aircraft and not much higher of a top speed than said props

@Sacto1654 10 ай бұрын

Good as the MiG-15 was, it has one very dangerous fault: the plane became dangerously unstable flying above Mach 0.92 indicated air speed. Several pilots were killed trying to keep up with the F-86 in a dive as the plane went out of control. The MiG bureau solved the problem with the MiG-17, but that plane wasn't really ready for service until the Korean War ended.

@nikoladd 10 ай бұрын

pff in Soviet Russia pilots are consumables..

@SmoothieGR 10 ай бұрын

@@nikoladd yeap, in USSR the pilots are tools for the country, the mig23 didnt even have an oil pressure indicator and in a fighter its a must as in one bullet may kill your oil pressure

@mauricepowers8079 10 ай бұрын

If you lose your oil pressure, the engine will seize. Seems to me that is as good as a guage. Just one more thing to break.

@capitaljushman5756 10 ай бұрын

@@mauricepowers8079 you realize oil pressure can be lost in other ways other than combat, right?

@mauricepowers8079 10 ай бұрын

@@capitaljushman5756 with or without the guage...same result is all I'm saying.

@TraderDan58 10 ай бұрын

02:38 Stalin says “ What fool would sell us his secrets “. Great Britain raises their hands and say “we will!!!” Typical…

@talpark8796 10 ай бұрын

the French would have sold them whole jets

@DodAederen 10 ай бұрын

It was a Leftist, Liberal government in Britain that sold the engines in 1948. Never trust a Liberal.

@jeremymerrifield7244 10 ай бұрын

We Brits are so charming

@dalek3086 10 ай бұрын

was a Labour British goverment in 1948

@hellskitchen10036 10 ай бұрын

the Russians stole jet tech from the Brits.

@78Rudys 10 ай бұрын

Very well done!!! Better than most tv produced content

@major_kukri2430 10 ай бұрын

It isn't. There's so much wrong information.

@dalek3086 10 ай бұрын

Harold Wilson and the Attlee British Government sold the Rolls Royce engines to the USSR.

@raystory7059 10 ай бұрын

The Grumman F9F-5 Panther flown by U.S. Navy Lt. Royce Williams had it's first MiG-15 kill during an encounter with seven unmarked MiG-15's on November 18, 1952 and four were shot down by Williams and his Wingman Lt. (jg.) Dave Rowlands. The lack of any markings on these new jets and the fact that the enemy pilot talk was Russian made this turn into a highly classified mission even though a Silver Star was awarded Williams for his expert flying on that day. He was lucky also in that he managed to nurse his wounded Panther to a successful landing back on the USS Oriskany with 263 holes from a 37 mm shell strike .

@dukecraig2402 10 ай бұрын

Yep, guess the MIG15 wasn't all that was it.

@raystory7059 10 ай бұрын

I just found out that in 2023 Royce Williams was also awarded a Navy Cross for shooting those High Flying Russian Mig's.@@dukecraig2402 The deaths of all four MiG pilots that day were finally confirmed by records from the former USSR.

@philgiglio7922 10 ай бұрын

Later, much later, upgraded to the Navy Cross

@andyman8630 10 ай бұрын

i fell in love with the F-86 Sabre after watching Lee Majors/Burgess Meredith movie The Last Chase

@brandonkallenbach4412 10 ай бұрын

I’m quite certain that nato didn’t call them the “falcon”.

@lunacampbell7816 10 ай бұрын

lmao

@noneatall9060 10 ай бұрын

Yeah, I caught that too. Either he was scared of youtube, or he really messed up. By the way, those NATO names are random (but they do follow a code), and "Fagot" is spelled with one "g" in this case and means a bundle of sticks.

@daveogarf 10 ай бұрын

...Millennium or otherwise.

@Master_Teaz 9 ай бұрын

@@noneatall9060 yeah theres a system, Fighters begin with F, so fulcrum flanker fishbed fagot foxbat foxhound felon, and bombers start with B, Bear, Blackjack, brewer blinder etc only thing i dont know is why ground attack aircraft also start with F like the frogfoot and fitter

@uuzd4s 10 ай бұрын

Been waiting for a good "tell all" on the Mig-15. As w/ most folks I've met w/ a career in Aviation, I'm an avid R/C modeler. Most R/C Aircraft I owned were 1/5-1/4th scale models and all were Recip engine powered. One day I showed up at our local R/C flying field and there was only one person there who happened to have a 1/6th scale turbine powered Mig-15 he was trying to start. He told me later, he'd spent 5 yrs building the thing. Back then (late 90's) the R/C Turbines were started w/ LP gas (because the ignition systems weren't hot enough to light off the Kerosene) and then switched over to Refined Kerosene for self-sustaining idle & flight. The guy finally got the Turbine started just as I was walking up but when he switched over to Kerosene, he forgot to turn off the LP gas valve. The Turbine just became a pretty good sized Flame Thrower at that point, which immediately set the grass on fire for about 15ft behind the Jet. He couldn't let go of the model, so he yelled, "Get the Fire Extinguisher from my Truck!" I ran back and grabbed the extinguisher, put out the grass fire and handed it to him. He'd managed to shut down the Turbine at that point but the entire tail section was still on fire. He put that out and the only thing left of the tail was the Carbon Fiber Augmenter tube & Speed Brake doors, which still looked new, but w/o any resin to hold their shape. The guy took it pretty well and rebuilt the Mig-15 in about 18 months. It took "Best in Show" at a R/C Scale event. After flying the thing only a few times, he hung it from the ceiling in his shop.

@dodoubleg2356 10 ай бұрын

CORRECTION, @3:25, the ME-262 did NOT have a nose mounted intake. Minor detail but worth pointing out. ✈️😉✌️

@SmoothieGR 10 ай бұрын

he must have mixed up with Ta-183 cause that one has swept back wings whereas the me-262 doesnt have so much swept back wings

@dodoubleg2356 10 ай бұрын

@@SmoothieGR He's made mistakes like this before. Plus, seeing as how I'm not even sure the TA-183 even saw actual combat, I don't know how you make that mistake 🤔. Appreciate your reply though. 😉✌️

@NSAdonis 10 ай бұрын

Me P.1011 and the Ta-183 actually

@dodoubleg2356 10 ай бұрын

@@NSAdonis huh?? Not saying you're wrong, just don't understand your comment.

@NSAdonis 10 ай бұрын

@@dodoubleg2356 Both of those planes had influence on both the F-86 and MiG-15. Some here in comments say it's a copy or a ripoff which is just silly. Both have been influenced by German high speed aerodynamics studies and know-how which back then was in front of the rest.

@darrencorrigan8505 10 ай бұрын

Thanks, Dark.

@LetsFlyThere 8 ай бұрын

What's great is the brits gave them the RR engine for this, they were given the designs and an engine to examine the metals used. Years later it was shooting down western planes

@seanneal552 10 ай бұрын

Great video.

@bernieeod57 10 ай бұрын

The F-86 people claimed a 3 to one kill ratio against the MIG. MIG pilots were ordered to avoid dogfights with the F-86. The B-29 was their primary target. When one judges the F-86 not by the number of MIGs shot down but by the number of B-29's they failed to protect, the MIG was quite the success

@Basicallybaltic 10 ай бұрын

Love the MiG-15, but I’m a Sabre boy

@Scudboy17 10 ай бұрын

You are not alone.

@tonypoore440 10 ай бұрын

Yes, Sabre all the way. They're the best looking jets of their day, and beyond.

@0rien_ 10 ай бұрын

@@tonypoore440yes

@BroJiden 10 ай бұрын

So, you're a boy. 😂🎉

@mikepalmer2219 10 ай бұрын

That sounds so bad. Lol.

@CaptainQuark9 10 ай бұрын

I always enjoy these Dark Skies videos, and those on all of your other channels. You have a terse way of narrating that is instantly engaging, and you read well and fluently. But a little constructive criticism, if I may; I like that you begin verbatim quotes with "...quote...", but you should also end it with "...unquote," closing the verbal parenthesis. And also please try to get the pronunciation of Mikoyan and Gurevich right - Mee-kah-YAN (since an untressed O in Russian is pronounced as though it were an A) and Goo-REY-evitch. Listen to a clip or two from the Skyships Eng channel and you'll get it from the horses mouth. You can take it as a compliment that these are the only criticisms I have of your otherwise excellent output!

@alanaspurling6469 10 ай бұрын

The early MiG’s had a weakness that the US developed aircraft didn’t have. Due to the Bell X-1 program, the US learned that the key to maintaining aircraft control through the trans-sonic speeds was to use an all moving horizontal stabilizer. The use of a conventional fixed horizontal stabilizer on the MIG’s limited them to below trans-sonic speeds.

@spamhead 10 ай бұрын

As developed by Miles during WW2 for their M52.

@contessa.adella 10 ай бұрын

Or ‘tail plane’ for non-Americans…

@WanderfalkeAT 10 ай бұрын

Interrestingly the LATER constructed F-86 still had a non moving Stabilizer! Only later F-86D did (after Korea) So the weakness was everywhere! German Focke Wulf 190 had a electical system to move the sabilizer - That is what mader them able to pull out of a dive easily. And that was allready in the prototype in 1939! Not to mention MANY other technical advancements in that bird.

@Master_Teaz 9 ай бұрын

@@WanderfalkeAT the F-86E/F/H had an all moving horizontal stabiliser, it wasn't just the sabre dog only the early variants had a conventional static stabiliser

@turkey0165 9 ай бұрын

One question did they ever shoot down the Russians and capture alive? And interrogate a Russian pilot flying for the North Koreans.

@Scudboy17 10 ай бұрын

I had a neighbor that was a pilot at the end of WW2 before being seconded to the command staff of an officer in Korea. He was stationed in South Korea in 49 and used to stories about the early Soviet jets they'd see on radar or the occasional fly by in the distance. He said they always called them "Russian blowjobs" because of their jet engines. Funny how that nickname never makes it into the documentaries.

@ostrich67 10 ай бұрын

Chuck Yeager called the ME262 that in his autobiography, and said "...but you didn't want to be on the receiving end of one of those."

@jamesrussell7760 10 ай бұрын

Chuck Yeager broke the "sound barrier" in 1947 flying the X-1, but only because of a crude "all-flying tail" - the entire horizonal stabilizer was modified, ad hoc, to allow limited rotation instead of just the elevator. The F-86A had a conventional tail and a design top speed of Mach 0.93. In 1951, the F-86E was fitted with an "all-flying tail" or stabilator, making it the first US supersonic interceptor, at least in a dive. The MiG-15 had an operational top speed of Mach 0.92, not because of limiting engine power, but because it lacked a stabilator. At higher speeds the control surfaces became ineffective. Curiously, the Fokker Eindecker of WW1 had an "all-flying tail", AKA, a stabilator.

@headkickko609 10 ай бұрын

Ahhh yeah the design they stole from their allies, the Brits....

@jamesrussell7760 10 ай бұрын

@@headkickko609 Are you sure about that? After all, it's not as if it was a secret - having been used by the Dutch aircraft designer, Fokker, nearly 40 years earlier.

@headkickko609 10 ай бұрын

@@jamesrussell7760 As far as I know yes. Doesn't matter in the Fokkers, since it was about the application of it when approaching the sound barrier.

@jamesrussell7760 10 ай бұрын

@@headkickko609 Okay.

@toznerd6369 10 ай бұрын

Wing fences were added to improve the quality of the airflow over the wings, cleaning up turbulence and reducing drag.

@flexairz 10 ай бұрын

Almost, they stopped the stall from moving further to the wing tips.

@jeffslade1892 10 ай бұрын

the Me262 was the second operational jet fighter. The Meteor beat it into operational service by about 6 weeks.

@durg3sh 10 ай бұрын

Add a proof to your claims innit mate?

@jeffslade1892 10 ай бұрын

@@durg3sh public record of when the aircraft went to squadron and cleared for operational service. Both aircraft had been flown in training and development, even armed, before those dates. Meteor cleared for squadron operation 17 July 1944.

@edwardcook2973 10 ай бұрын

The Gloster Meteor Mk 1 was only capable of a top speed of 415mph, while the Meserschmitt Me 262 had a top speed of 540mph. It was not until the Mk 2 that the Meteor was capable of matching the speed of the Me 262, but this did not enter service until 1946. During World War Two the Meteor was restricted to action against the V1 buzz bombs, and did not enter service on the European continent until March of 1945. This was done to prevent the plane from suffering from friendly fire because of its resemblance to the Me 262. Therefore the first jet-powered fighter to see actual combat against enemy fighter planes was the Me 262. "Operational service" is therefore meaningless.

@jeffslade1892 10 ай бұрын

@@edwardcook2973 A Me262 from a training and development unit attacked a Mosquito 26(?) July 1944, the Mossie crashed on landing in Italy. This is after Meteor entered 616 Squadron service. Very few Me262 actually entered service (around 50? at any time), they did not have air brakes and tended to wreck the jets on each flight, which the Meteor did not do. The only jet on jet encounter in ww2 remains the Meteor v Ardado Ar234. The Meteor was not only used for V1 but was big enough to lift the NF radar. Attacking other fighters was not the main duty of a fighter but to take bombers out. The meteor was a very stable gun platform. Jet development was proceeding faster than aircraft could be built for them. The Mk.1A became obsolete very quickly but later models remained in service until the 70s. The Tempest was the first Allied plane to shoot down a Me262, and won a number of victories over these jet fighters.

@oswaldoramosferrusola5235 10 ай бұрын

That's showing some cheek! How many enemy aircraft did the Meteors shoot down?

@Rich77UK 10 ай бұрын

Never...EVER let it be said that us Brits are not "optimistic". FFS, what where they thinking?

@carlosmoyna62 10 ай бұрын

The ammount of wrong information is amazing

@HubertofLiege 10 ай бұрын

Ammmmmmmount?

@noneatall9060 10 ай бұрын

Par for the course. At least he didn't use a bunch of videos depicting the wrong aircraft this time (that I noticed anyway).

@kuri369kuri 10 ай бұрын

Huh, been watching your videos for a while now and I guess I just assumed I’d already subscribed. That’s what I get for assuming

@MrTimodon 10 ай бұрын

And what about the Swedish "Tunnan"? Barrel in english!

@capitaljushman5756 10 ай бұрын

The F-86 had completed development and entered service before the korean war even began

@DrJoy-cw7lt 10 ай бұрын

The MiG had little to do with the 362. The Ta 283 was the pattern.

@philiprobinson5821 10 ай бұрын

What most people fail to remember is that the post war labour government made a present of two dozen Whittle engines, as fitted to the meteor jets. Needless to say that the big problem was materials and the lies that they wouldn't be used for military aircraft but who was going to tell the soviets no, once they had the engines.

@m16colt1969 10 ай бұрын

The Mig-15 did not have hydraulic assist on the control surfaces, but the F-86 did. Mig-15 pilots became exhausted wrestling the stick and pressing the rudder pedals. Even though it had performance advantages, it was like a very quick boxer without the cardio fitness needed to last a round.

@JeepWrangler1957 10 ай бұрын

You’d think the US would have taken the hint with the ME262 and it’s swept wing?

@PantherBlitz 10 ай бұрын

The P-80 was rushed into development in 1943 when early Intel of the Me262 was obtained by the Allies. It was the best that could be done at the time.

@johnathondavis5208 10 ай бұрын

I really like and appreciate the squadron of Sabres used "F U" with their tail numbers :)

@pads-zr9ln 10 ай бұрын

What fool will sell them to us, well the labour party have never been known for their inteligence

@kellyswoodyard 10 ай бұрын

I remember watching a doco about Korea, and the Sabre pilot said he was startled, to be eye to eye, with a red headed Korean, flying a Mig 15.

@mhomero6117 10 ай бұрын

Watched an Egyptian MiG 15 start and take off at Cairo West air base in 1981. Very quiet compared to the more modern aircraft they had. Nimble little thing.

@curiousgeorge5992 10 ай бұрын

Everything is a trade-off I saw a dentist who flew one after acquiring it rebuilding it quite a little hot rod😮

@clc2328 10 ай бұрын

yup, no burner and low thrust = quiet.

@philiprobinson5821 9 ай бұрын

That was due to the engines, copied from the English ones. They learned some things about swept wing designs from their captured German scientists in the same way that the US learned all about rocketry from their captured German scientists. Without whom there would be massive bombers with dozens of guns for protection against mach3 missiles and the Miles Speedster would have Broken the Mach 1 barrier using jet not rocket power.

@nickoutram6939 9 ай бұрын

The decision by the UK Labour Government to allow the sale of these Rolls Royce engines to Russia was one of the worst decisions ever made. It tainted UK/USA relations for decades.

@REPOMAN24722 10 ай бұрын

I personally like the competitor to the mig-15 the la-15.

@glynluff2595 10 ай бұрын

The British PM asked the Cabinet if the Rolls engine was on the secret list ( it was already used as a pump engine) and on receiving the answer ‘No’ stated that it could be sold to anybody. He later claimed their was a Gentleman’s Agreement not to use it for military purposes! When has war been gentlemanly?

@censorthis-uu6cc 10 ай бұрын

There was no war at the time. Soviet Union had been an ally.

@glynluff2595 10 ай бұрын

@@censorthis-uu6cc Quite so but in 1950 there was and the back engineering had been done and the engines fitted in the Mig 15. However, Soviet technology was not adequate for the rotor formation and these would initially burst and later gave much shorter engine life than the Rolls product. You are quite correct the Soviet Union had been allied with us but that was already passing

@g6otu 10 ай бұрын

Me 262 does not have a nose intake.

@SmoothieGR 10 ай бұрын

Ta-183 also has back swept wings

@BrianAchterberg928 10 ай бұрын

The MIG-15 and MIG-17 are two good looking aircraft. They look fast and “sporty”.

@Master_Teaz 9 ай бұрын

also very barrely, and its tail configuration is, unnormal with its T tail with the elevator half way up the vertical stab

@JSFGuy 10 ай бұрын

Loaded up

@tereterevanakere2132 9 ай бұрын

As a kid in Soviet Union I had among others a plastic model of MiG-15 hanging from my ceiling. Back then such models were hard to come by. I think they were mostly of East German origin.

@bubbalo3388 10 ай бұрын

With all the body panels off you realize you're basically flying an engine.

@vasilije94 10 ай бұрын

Isn't that literally the same for any jet engine aircraft? Remove wings and all you got left is the engine. Most of the "body" is just a powerful engine and fuel. Wings, stabilizers and other shit is there just to help you "steer" that engine.

@fairussukarno1400 10 ай бұрын

Mig 15 is the best

@fredericksaxton3991 10 ай бұрын

Did the Mig15 defector get given his Bounty??

@ericstyles3724 10 ай бұрын

I see now, It was a dyson all this time, it never loses suction.

@rodolfohernandez3303 10 ай бұрын

The Legendary Duel Between F-86 Sabre vs MiG-15

@michaelsparrow8033 10 ай бұрын

An impressive nose intake on the ME262 feeding wing mounted engines! 🤣

@blackbirdpie217 10 ай бұрын

Why are you usin kph when aviators use knots to measure airspeed?

@yfelwulf 10 ай бұрын

US pilots declared the Mig15 was ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE to shoot down stating "you could empty your guns with no effect on a single aircraft.c while the Migs cannons were devastating.

@Master_Teaz 9 ай бұрын

exept you could acutally get the M3s on target due to their relatively high velocity and lead predicting gunsight, while the MiG-15s guns were very unweildy and slow in rate of fire and muzzle velocity, and combined with the limited visibility of the MiG-15 and static gunsight, made it harder to aim than the F-86s guns, though you are right a single solid .50 caliber bullet does nothing really while a 37mm HE round would just take a wing off, there is also the fact that the sabres ammo reached 300 per gun while the MiG-25 only had 80 round per gun for its 23mm and 40 for its 37mm though the M3 .50cal fires twice as fast as their 23mm and 3 times as fast as the 37mm (1200rpm on sabres M3s as opposed to 600rpm for the NS-23 and 400rpm for the N-37D)

@orcasea59 10 ай бұрын

The first Soviet jet fighter was the MiG 9, first flown in 1946.

@about10ninjas 10 ай бұрын

It's not something big, or massive, or chilling but it's definitely shocking.

@cavekritter1 10 ай бұрын

But it changed everything

@theelmonk 10 ай бұрын

Apparently all youtube presenters are shocked easily. Never merely surprised. I don't know how they survive.

@Mattif0 10 ай бұрын

I fucking love this videos, you need to talk about the polish LIM-5P (Mig17)

@markusmottus1686 10 ай бұрын

Never heard of this one so yes please! 🙏🏻

@Master_Teaz 9 ай бұрын

just an export MiG-17PF essensially

@cesarvidelac 10 ай бұрын

Good video, but I only disagree on a detail... The MIG design took more inspiration on the Focke Wulf T-183 designed by Kurt Tank near the end of the war. The russians took the prototype. Another similar prototype but with variable geometry was taken by the Americans and the development of it culminated in the F-14 Tomcat.

@HerrWimaniak 10 ай бұрын

No!

@robertmiller2173 10 ай бұрын

Thanks UK for giving the plans of how to make a Rolls Royce Jet Engine to the Commies!

@awwgordy 10 ай бұрын

this is essentially the Wikipedia article slightly reworded, which normally would be fine, but from what I gather the Wikipedia page for the mig-15 was written by a wehraboo with few references for a lot of his claims

@jamesmcdonald5026 9 ай бұрын

The F-86 was in production by 1948.

@Istandby666 10 ай бұрын

At North base in Groom Lake aka Area 51. The 4 hangers are nicknamed the red hats. This is where Soviet (red hats) aircraft where brought to reverse engineer (aka reverse alien technology).

@davidrivero7943 10 ай бұрын

Maybe 1st time, of the many other daily Migs Flights . Always 2 of them Flying fast & low East to West , in the lil Caribbean Island i grew up on. Once here & after sights of F4's over @ Homestead AFB , I knew those Migs were nothing but jelopies.

@catfishakaAMC 10 ай бұрын

Did anyone else catch the Soviet treachery with the British engines? Stalin: No way England will sell us engines! England: Oh, you need a couple? No problem! Just don't use them for military advancement. Stalin: Immediately has them installed on fighter aircraft.

@ottonormalverbrauch3794 10 ай бұрын

Nosemount intake of the 262?!

@SmoothieGR 10 ай бұрын

Ta-183 also has back swept wings

@saulocpp 10 ай бұрын

I have to say the MiG-15 is a sweet looking jet.

@clc2328 10 ай бұрын

if you like thicc girls....

@MichaelMcKinnon-jf1yy 10 ай бұрын

Not the first Soviet jet fighter just their first swept wing jet fighter

@JeOrtiz1 10 ай бұрын

The Lavochkin La-15 (1946) and the Mig-9 (1946) was the first Soviet fighter jets adopted, not the Mig-15 (1949).

@danherrick5785 10 ай бұрын

Ahhh - that inconvenient Warsaw Pact we forget today...Yet makes it's way into "historical" videos like this...

@censorthis-uu6cc 10 ай бұрын

Not inconvenient any longer - quite helpful for a narrative that seeks to conflate Russia with USSR.

@danherrick5785 10 ай бұрын

@@censorthis-uu6cc What your talking about is semantics and legalee's. Your point does not make any sense in a actual war. Reality is a bitch.

@adriaanels6568 9 ай бұрын

Pity that he did not mention the scores of the top adversaries.

@losonsrenoster 10 ай бұрын

With a kill ratio of about 1.7 to 1, (1100 kills to 660 own losses) was the Mig15 really that effective?

@americanrambler4972 10 ай бұрын

In two words. Yes, very! And so was the MiG 17. MiGs regularly chowed down on allied aircraft in a number of places. For all their faults, they still are very effective combat jets when flown with proper tactics and properly trained and experienced pilots. There are a number of good reasons they served long service lives in many air forces around the world.

@martincox4520 10 ай бұрын

The mig 15 was based on the ta 154. The shooting star also used rolls Royce derived engine

@russman3787 9 ай бұрын

Explain to me how the MiG-15 was based on a German copy of the Mosquito.

@martincox4520 9 ай бұрын

@@russman3787 sorry wrong number ta 183

@mathieugariepy2948 10 ай бұрын

-Promise ? -Promise. -Okay, then.

@felixu2309 10 ай бұрын

it was more a knock off of the focke-wulf ta 183, not so much me 262

@jenpsakiscousin4589 10 ай бұрын

One of the biggest advantages the Russians had was the development complex at TsAGI. The high speed wind tunnels and test chambers were vital for jet and rocket development

@alexprost7505 10 ай бұрын

8:30 anonymity , 9:17 😊

@ashleycrashdissinger8021 10 ай бұрын

But that voice!! Someone turned up the cadence knob on the ai narrator WAY too high. 🤨

@bongwelll 10 ай бұрын

The Soviets had all the titanium at the time. I don't even know if they new it yet.

@James-nl6fu 8 ай бұрын

The (stoopid?) British knew that the Centrifugal-flow Rolls Royce Nene engine was already out-moved by Axial-flow designs we still use today.

@gwhizz5878 10 ай бұрын

Thankyou Rolls Royce for giving fully working motors to the Soviets for reverse-engineering into the Mig15s. How many good people died for that "gentlemens pool game" ?

@tonyhill8300 10 ай бұрын

Yes our politicians and businesses have always been traitorous, they seem to only get more so.

@iumbo1234 10 ай бұрын

"The capitalists will sell us the rope with which we will hang them" -Lenin

@gwhizz5878 10 ай бұрын

@@iumbo1234 Sometimes we give it to them for "free"

@censorthis-uu6cc 10 ай бұрын

RR was a business, and weren't the first nor the last nor the most egregious example of profitting from trading with an adversary (eg IBM sold machines to the Nazi's that facilitated the holocaust, of which IBM were fully aware as their German subsidiary sent maintenance staff to the camps whose reports were sent back to NY Head office, reports that were later destroyed and all knowledge denied) - note also that there was no war on at the time and that USSR had been an ally. Foreign policy was not RR's responsibility. The obscene amount of money involved in the weapons & defence industry means that govt officials are reliably & regularly bought off going back decades at least - that Dutch investigator with a funny name did a great documentary on it, concluding that many western politicians make their fortunes facilitating arms deals. I remember a scandal involving Thatcher's son years ago. Britain has been one of the worlds largest arms dealers for decades, and the fate of 'good people' has never been an apparent consideration.

@Im_Not_From_Around_Here 10 ай бұрын

I remember my dad telling me how dumb and naive his government was in selling the jet engine, nothing has changed much today probably dumber.

@InFamousAlex209 10 ай бұрын

Whatever you guys do, do not look up the NATO designation of the MIG-15……

@tonyglenn8247 10 ай бұрын

Too late I've seen it.

@mikeorjimmy2885 10 ай бұрын

Of course, we did not learn anything from the Axis powers about surprise. Caught flat-footed again!

@duanepigden1337 10 ай бұрын

Didn’t the panther use the British engine too?

@jamesfarley4644 10 ай бұрын

What is meters to mph please

@peterfowler8044 10 ай бұрын

It's a few key strokes away on Google :) .

@EddyKorgo 10 ай бұрын

I anit no hitler fan but german war machines "were" very fascinating and so futuristic. I have no doubts they would turn into 21.century Galactic Empire

@rbattson7171 10 ай бұрын

In fairness, didn't the British give two crated jet engines to the Americans? But the jets they produced were very staid designs. Whereas the russian designs were not.

@Matthew_Holton 10 ай бұрын

The Me262 did not have a nose intake. I assume you just mispoke there.

@daveogarf 10 ай бұрын

(*Wally Shir-RAH).

@dingo8babym20 10 ай бұрын

..er, 'nose mounted intake'? ..on the 262? No. C'mon man.

@gunner678 10 ай бұрын

It is so stupid that Britain literally gave the USSR the jet engine for the MIG15.

@MrCateagle 10 ай бұрын

An argument could be made that the MiG-15 owes inspiration to the German Ta-183.

@roba4295 10 ай бұрын

Almost 4 decades of learning about military history, and I still cant understand the British licencing the RR engine. Various claims, none make sense. The Brits were under no illusions about the value of Russian promises. Were they being willfully ignorant?

@crabby7668 10 ай бұрын

Remember that Labour always had links to socialist countries including Russia. That's why it is so hilarious when the lefties claim everything they don't like is because of collusion with Russia. They were always the ones most likely to be colluding, I think its called projection.

@misterthemad994 10 ай бұрын

Mig 17s did not have a radar and their engines had no afterburner, it's the Lim 5 p that had those things, a mig 17 with a mig 19 engine and a mig 19 radar.

@Master_Teaz 9 ай бұрын

late MiG-17 models were refitted with such from F/PF/PM/PFU/R for afterburning and P/PF/PM/PFU for a basic radar set, the same as on the MiG-19 however the Lim-5p did not have the same engine as the MiG-19 as the Lims had the VK-1F engine while the MiG-19s had the RD-9 engine

@davidbabcock5172 10 ай бұрын

It’s sad to think that except for someone stupid enough to think the Soviet Union would not use the engine for their military they got a good engine so easily and early. Was that decision made by Chamberlain?

@naradaian 10 ай бұрын

No it was the post war Labour Socialist Government led by Clement Attlee ….it’s possible the mil opposed the idea - chamberlain was replaced by Churchill very early in the war

@coastie1961 10 ай бұрын

Clement Atlee was the man in charge at the time. Bear in mind the Yanks had just pulled the plug on lend-lease and also screwed us over on the Manhattan program so it made sense to sell the Nene to Russia for real gold.

@kimvibk9242 10 ай бұрын

It was probably Clement Atlee's Labour government - they were forever sucking up to Stalin.

@user-um3wv9hs5r 10 ай бұрын

Leave Chamberlain out of it...Who declared war on Germany.. Genius..

@kimvibk9242 10 ай бұрын

@@user-um3wv9hs5r His 'genius' moment was thinking that you can trust socialists. Not much better than Atlee on that count.

@arthurwilliamson 10 ай бұрын

Thanks. By the way, please learn to correctly pronounce the name Mikoyan. It's "Micko-Yun", not "Mi-COYen". Most of the how-to pronunciation sites get it wrong as well, mainly because they allow the ignorant to proliferate and perpetuate their errors.

@jameshafner1442 10 ай бұрын

What ? They allow the ignorant to reproduce ?

@JohnJohansen2 10 ай бұрын

Why do you insist using imperial measurements for metric planes???

@steventaylor8723 10 ай бұрын

@4:35 But what did NATO eventually call it? I need to know...

@klaus-peterborn1370 10 ай бұрын

The russian copy of a german plane (TA 183 V2) with a british engine that was countered by an other version of a US copy of a german Plane (Ta 183 V4).

@ronsteiner1637 10 ай бұрын

I didn’t know the Americans had a fw 183… I thought they captured advanced Messerschmitt jet designs & technology.

@CaptainQuark9 10 ай бұрын

@@ronsteiner1637 Kurt Tank was a busy boy after the war, running advanced jet programmes for several countries, including an Argentinian affair, and at India's Hindustan Aeronautics.

@user-lh5pf4ji3q 10 ай бұрын

it's very stupid to call any plane a copy of another one just because they kinda look similar, especially if its an unfinished prototype that was never flown. Most of the engineering work while making an aircraft goes into internal componets and they are often dictated by goverment requirements and technological limitations which vary significantly between nations and result in completely different aircraft. While it's fair to call certain systems as copies it's wrong to call a plane as such (most of the time)

@klaus-peterborn1370 10 ай бұрын

@@user-lh5pf4ji3q How many german patents where stolen( or borrowed, without giving back) by the allied forces, 27000 - 35000? I think there was something for every need. Especialy Hull and Wingconstruction, electric components and many other things changed rapidely in the late 40th. Why?

@user-lh5pf4ji3q 10 ай бұрын

@@klaus-peterborn1370 cuz everyone moved to jets, which are faster and faster aircraft require more wing sweep to reduce drag. Having an engine sticking outside of the plane also affects drag so moving it inside fuselage is also an obvious solution. And for MiG-15 it's very short so elevator was placed on top of the stabilizer to prevent air flow caused by the wing to interfere with it's operation . A lot of engeneering solutions are pretty obvius when designing an aircraft, so having them match somewhat is more likely explained by aircraft requirements rather than sikrit dokumints