Thanks for tuning in 😁😁😁

The way Darrell can slip jabs in while still speaking like it's a compliment. He's approaching mother-in-law skill levels.

I feel like these are a solution to a problem no one has.

I love that companies are trying new stuff and thinking outside the box, but these seem like more trouble than they're worth...

I got a set of brass ones after watching this video and all I can say I'm filled with regret. One tuner had a bad bearing so I emailed them with the issue asking for a new bearing cause I'm handy and understanding. They offered a new tuner but never followed through. I ordered a single tuner to try and move forward on my build but they sent the wrong one. Another email back and forth resulting in an apology and a refund for the wrong tuner but no replacement so far. Stick with steinberger people!

Break string on stage...”hold on guys can’t find my Allen wrench!”

I'm picturing those bottoming out inside a lot of hard cases and fitting really weird inside of soft cases.

One thing he didn't mention, but looks like a possible advantage is that the break angle of the strings may be sharper since the string practically goes straight into the headstock.

I was looking for something like this- a tuner that wasn't limited by having to go along the edge of the headstock! You can take a blank headstock, put the tuners EXACTLY in line with the strings, and make the headstock any shape you want to! 😎

I honestly can't see how this would be more pratical than any other kind of tuning machine lol

Another refined gimmick. The Allen key is like mom reminding you to 'dont forget to take your little brother'

I would be afraid that the strings would break faster at the point where they are bent in a rather small radius around the entrance hole rim. On standard tuning machines that bend radius is way larger.

The need for the Allen key is a deal breaker. Really cool other that that though. Maybe if they were to add a small thumbwheel and ditch the allen key I would be willing to try them.

Man does that actually fit back in the case? They stick out so far!

I cannot imagine any time these would be a good idea, except a serious dedication to an industrial aesthetic.

Interesting, but I agree with other commenters here: - they don't look as nice as a good set of normal locking tuners - they don't fit in guitar cases as easily as normal locking tuners - they require a hex key, unlike normal locking tuners - they require an extra looping of the unwound strings, which is a hassle compared to normal locking tuners Against all those inconveniences, the only advantage appears to be that they're slightly lighter than the tuners they replaced, and maybe that the position on the back of the headstock is a bit more convenient to your hand while you're tuning them. That's just not enough of a benefit to overcome the drawbacks. Not dissing the video, of course! Darrell, your stuff is always fun and informative; this vid is no exception. But when I say it's "informative," well...the information I'm taking away is that I'll pass on these tuners.

I guess you can call it a “Frankenstrat” now!

If you turn your volume really low on this you’ll end up with a “Quiet Riot”

"...or Gibson without pissing off the entire guitar community at least once a year" :-D

3:05 I checked the website; the thickest gauge you can use with these is a 56!

The way you call out Gibson all the time is AMAZING!!!!!!

Gibson jokes never get old!

EPIC! This is the kind of cutting edge "wish I had thought of that" wonderful reviews this channel is well known for. I only hope Darrell never ever runs out of material, Amen.

I could see these being useful on the lower neck of a double-neck, where the buttons of standard tuners might be too close to the other headstock. I don't think I want to pay a hundred bucks for that convenience though.

It wouldn't be a Fender-based video without a Gibson jab 😂😂😂

Had these for months now. They've exhibited some of the best tuning stability I've ever experienced.

I thought of this before since I'm a small custom guitar tuner maker called Perona. It wasn't new either, same concept had been marketed by Steinberg and another company I can't recall the brand name. Did a concept design and nah, decided it really didn't offer any advantage over a standard 18:1 worm gear design. But it's always inspiring to see new concepts being brought to market. 😀

Third disadvantage, the back fo the headstock looks like hell.

So....giveaway coming up on the channel soon, slightly-used set of Riot tuners. 😂

It was a pleasure to "tune" in to this one man!

They look like they've been put together from that bucket of junk every bloke has in his garage :)

I love your reviews. Always so refreshing and BS free!

Really like this idea as a firebird tuner .

Needing to keep track of a hex key makes it a non-starter for me. Looks *sorta* cool from the front I guess, but really seems to be trying to solve a problem that doesn’t exist. I can think of lots of better stuff to spend $100 bucks on.

Thanks for reviewing this product. These are a similar concept to Steinberger tuners which I installed on my last build. Steinberger's are slightly lighter at 29.5 grams and much faster to change strings. These riot tuners look great from the front (very neat). They look industrial from the back. The Steinbergers are neat at the back but more industrial from the front ..... but .... thats what enables the faster string change.

I was a little nervous that you were doing this to a real American Strat. But yet this is so cool, even as a purist, I'm in!!!

That “not sure that’s the best slogan considering our political climate” cracked me up man. Great vid

Are these gonna cause my strat to rest on it’s headstock in the case? Like they seem much taller than the Klusons

I’ll never forget in the early 1980’s after I designed the Genesis G-6 Illusion model guitar for Schecter in Dallas. As part of our deal they gave me a Schecter Strat with their Schaller made locking bridge Floyd style whammy with a locking nut. It was a beautiful Mary Kay style Strat, only it had the latest floating locking whammy system. My very first gig where I used it was at Mother Blues, in Dallas, and that night guitar legend Bugs Henderson stopped by to sit in with my band. I was so excited and he got on stage and we started ripping it up. About halfway through the first tune my high E string had somehow slipped beyond the range of the fine tuner do I got out the Allen wrench to readjust it. I instantly dropped the Allen wrench onto a stage covered with old beer drenched and gaffer taped up shag carpet and it was dark in the club and onstage. I spent the next 20 minutes crawling around on this nasty carpet looking for the tiny black Allen wrench. I sold that guitar the next day. Any tuning gear that requires a separate tool to adjust is stupid AF.

Very cool! I appreciate the concept at first look, they are almost like a "Space Age Banjo Tuner!" They should sell the tuners with a bracket to hold the Allen key on the back of the headstock like the guitars with a Floyd Rose trem

Based on the thumbnail I assumed I wouldn’t dig these tuners, but after the vid, I really like em. I hope you do a long term review. Thanks for sharing these.

"Using mah full strength there..." How many guitar strings have you hand pulled out of locking tuners?

I'm gonna need an update on those just to ensure that stay in tune, sir. I was hopping for a demo there, nice job putinng gibson on tune too.

Great video! 2 thoughts: - An advantage of this design that I didn't hear you cover is that the break angle will basically be as low as possible (barring slotted designs), so on non-angled headstocks this should help out immensely with regards to break angles and such. - I think Firebird enthusiasts would really enjoy these tuners! They would probably mean less neck-diving, for sure, as they are lighter, and also fit the general aesthetic, as the buttons themselves aren't visible from the front, just like on banjo tuners.

It would be kinda cool if you taped yourself tuning it up filming your tuner to see just how precise they are.

Cool, weird, funky....but I like the ones you took off better.

Hard pass from this builder. Esthetically speaking, cool concept. The break angle is slightly improved on a flat headstock design, but might be too much on an angled design. And as you pointed out... Changing strings in a hurry on the side of the stage would be impossible. They are an interesting concept though.

They look neat but as soon as I'm required to have have a hex key to change my strings, I'm out

Pokiness is a word I didn't know I needed.

I spat my drink out when you made the "incite a riot comment" 😂😂

A Fender Stratocaster is like a “Honda Civic” or a “Jeep Wrangler”!! That was a Great comparison, Loved it!! Lol Always enjoy your video’s!!!

How well do they hold the intonation of your guitar, being that the string can float in the barrel? I'm seriously interested in purchasing these!

I think I can also see a potential issue where the strings pass over the metal edge of the tuner front string insertion hole, as the string at this point Is having to bend 90 degrees where it enters the hole to the tuner; thus potentially creating a friction point/sticking point.

Always love your videos, Braun. 😁

This is scary Darrell :D this is plain scary hahaha Very interesting tuners btw.

1:15 "Not sure we're on a last name basis, yet, but anyway..." LOl, I think "Chris" mistook your last name as your first name. Good quip, tough!

Really like your more obscure gear reviews! 👍

You have such an infectious happy attitude!

This is a good idea work-in-progress marred by the Allen key and hopefully the future evolutions will make things alot faster and better

This type of solution opens up more options for headstock shapes 👍but admittedly I think they need to be shallower

40:1 ratio brings a tear to my eye. Also, right as I begin to wonder about the weight, Darrell busts out the scale. As expected! You're the man.

Good luck with that little Allen wrench on stage. ;)

Something else I noticed that you didn't mention is, unlike with standard tuning machines on a strat, the strings are perfectly straight from the nut to the tuners, meaning that there's no bend. With standard tuners, the strings will have a slight bend sideways at the nut. That lack of a bend is going to increase your tuning stability, especially if you use the vibrato bar, since it reduces friction. I like these. May need to consider these for a couple of my guitars.

"... or Gibson not pissing off..." You, sir, have won the internet!

I would have loved to hear a demonstration of how they tune :(

I've had these on my Rooster "Firebasterd" build, for about 6 years. That's my headstock, on their website! They are perfect! Unbeatable quality.

I wanted to buy a nut buster, which you already reviewed. would you recommend these tuners ($100)...or the nut buster ($175) for tuning stability, especially when using the tremolo?

@DarrellBraunGuitar simple question: did you ever do a follow-up video on these tuners? Also: would you put these on a Telecaster or recommend against it? I just picked up the $799 Fender HH Special Edition... AND got a FomoFX Jeff Pro to mount on it, so you know where I'm going here.

Darrell, the only thing missing on this episode is your incredible playing , I know that it should not drastically change or alter the tone or Sustain , still love to hear you play.

Very cool product, but being tethered to an allen wrench is a deal breaker for me. Nice video though Darrell!

Great show! Those look kinda neat/different on a strat.

How does the headstock fit back into the hardshell case?...do the tuners hit the bottom before the headstock rests in the neck slot??.

How does the lower break angle against the nut affect things? Could you do away with the string tree?

Yep, this solves those tuning questions that nobody asked, like..."could you make a Tuning Machine where you have to have a little tool to change out the string, because I like looking for a small item while I'm onstage when I break a string." , "I would like a Tuning Machine that will make my String Trees completely useless, oh yeah and make them cost twice as much as everything else on the market."

I see the tuners hitting the wall when I hang up the guitar.

What about the increased break angle of the string going into the tuner? Have you noticed that being a problem or causing any issues with tuning stability using the term?

On a Gibson 3 + 3 headstock would probably make the tuning stability worse since you can't wind the D & G strings "up" the post to alleviate some of that break angle.

Things that the world don't need. I'm still looking for the meaning 🦧ööööö🤔😄

What about putting it in the case. Is there enough clearance on the back or is it going to push into the padding?

Hey Darrell! Always a blessing to watch your show!! Quick question, did the tuner eliminate the need for a string tree?

Lol.. I literally turned around and looked at my Kiesel 5 secs before u said it .. 🤣

omg that gibson roast ahahaha

great video, I appreciate how you are not trying to be funny like most people on YT.

Hey, I've got a set of those that I have yet to install. I purchased mine back before Riot tuners had that name. He was only using them on his travel guitar builds at that time. Surprised you didn't show tuning up process to demonstrate how the low-ratio tuners work. Either way, nice video, "Braun!"

Glad to see some company bringing back the Steinberger tuners now that Gibson has locked them down for purchase

This style reminds me a lot of classical guitar tuners, easier to tune because its from the back, instead of side

How does it fit in cases and gigbags? Any worries it might make it easier to snap the headstock like the banjo tuners on a Gibson Firebird are notorious for?

I just watched this until the end, I'm not a guitar player but found this very interesting!

Needing a tool seems like inviting the hassle of losing it. I’m not even crazy about locking a guitar nut

That's innovative for sure! I'm pretty impressed by the weight, they looked way heavier than the standard locking tuners. Maybe I'm wrong but it feels like it might me too easy to accidentally turn the barrel and put your guitar out of tube? It kinda looked like it needed way less than a regular tuning key to turn.

Darrell Braun Guitar, do these increase the bend angle at the nut..binding..etc...how much farther do they stick out from the backside of the headstock..will the headstock be more likely to do the Gibson thing if it falls on the floor?Thanks

One of my guitars is a 1975 Ibanez. It has the best "standard style" tuning machines I've used or have seen.. Two reasons:. 1) The posts are not round, they are hexagons so slipping has never been an issue. 2) Behind / below the tuning key is a knurled collar that is the drag adjustment for the machine. I always thought they were great and wish I could find similar new machines with these features.

I was very interested in what these tuners seemed to promise, right up until you pulled out the Allen key. I didn't see any point watching beyond that point. What kind of lazy designer would be satisfied with requiring an allen key set screw to install a set of strings? .

Never been this early but oh man a little Darrell Braun is just what I needed rn

After making my comment I went over to the website and I'm placing an order right now. I'm going to try the black ones. I like the dark look

Will these tuners twist the strings as you're tuning your guitar? I don't think I would like my tuners to twist the strings, it feels to me like it will make them more prone to breaking.

I think with these, aesthetics are probably the last thing that'd come to mind. Seems like they'd go well with certain headless guitar designs, and I do appreciate the 40:1 ratio.

I have Steinberger tunes that work in a similar way. Interesting.

Would that guitar still fit in a flat hard case with the tuners sticking out of the back?

Lately I’ve doing a deep dive into the life of Eddie VanHalen and I have this crazy notion that had he not pass,that these two would of got along amazingly as they both seem to do all sorts of crazy things with guitars to see what sorta tones they can create.