Lmao

.... and gender.

- Believe me, prison changes people. - Yeah, how so? - I used to be white.

LOL :D :D

@@johnedwards8982 Red is the new black

well said

It's actually even worse; all Lord Renning was doing was wasting a bit of time by dissecting Tuk'ata, and it's clear that he found a way to properly control them and use them as war-beasts, since he fights alongside a bunch of Tuk'ata in Korriban Incursion. Malora? She's not just wasting time with the Mutant Geonosians, she's actively being detrimental to the mission; the Geonosians just decided to attack *both* sides, and have probably killed more Imperials than they have Colonists and Jedi. Yeah, fuck it. Lord Renning did nothing wrong. XD

no shit

Not only that, but dialogue on the republic side has he sounding like she believes as Renning used to. Not to mention he was right.

Isn't that what typical Sith does? Personal goals b4 everything else.

heheh

One year later you just dont get it. The whole game was written like that. Spoiler spare barras and he becomes a zildrog battery turn against the empire and quin try's to kill you whilst working for barras again. They wrote it this way so they can keep throwing 8 year old stuff back at the starwars fan base.

@@Vlkolak26 It wouldn't be much of a story if it didn't reference things that happened previously would it.

Lol!!!!

She came full circle, and now she understands

Like master, like apprentice.

The Apprentice replaces the Master and makes the same mistakes. It’s the Sith way.

They havent been enlightned by the High Ground.

​@@noxy4966 well, Maul had the high ground...

I do. And I'm curious what the hell happened to her. XD

mingled with pureblood sith genes?

In game 7 years passed, in life 7 years also... Game started in 2011. So 7 years in the story are true 7 years.

That joke is better than the whole of 5.10

Funny thing is she's pretty much the same no matter what you did on Korriban.

That would've been funny

seriously, that would have been my Sith Inquisitor, ZERO doubt lmao :D

I'm glad the vid included the original scene because yeah, I'm like: I've screwed over and killed so many people it's hard to keep track.

It took a bit of time just to remember what class I met her over as.

I actually mistook her with Darth Lachris from Balmorra.

Darth Iarnunvosk hahah I remember her. I killed her on my sorcerer but spared her on my juggernaut. If somehow survived our encounter I would love to see the difference in dialogue. The taris imperial side quest was my favorite one.

Kill off any more sith, and she'll be Emperors by process of elimination.

If Thana Vesh pops up it'll be the funniest shit ever.

I killed her on both my Sorcerer and Marauder...

@@ExeErdna Especially if I get to react like: "Hang on, weren't you that apprentice I killed on Taris because you wouldn't sleep with me?" At least on the toons where I actually did that.

@Ívarr hinn Beinlausi No, you had to become THE Apprentice to THE Sith Master

@Ívarr hinn Beinlausi I get what you mean but your argument kinda falls apart, since most of the people you mention didn't have the Darth title. On another note, the Banite Sith valued secrecy and wouldn't proclaim their titles publicly (Vader was the only one two do this as far as I know). So yeah, technically any two people could call themselves Darths in an emply room but if multible Sith pairs who called themself Darth met, they wouldn't just acknowledge each other but fight to the death, because there could only be two.

Just remember Darth Zhorrid.

Kinda I mean they weren't handing the title out like candy, it's more of I killed my master and did this thing so reward me or i'll try to kill you and then sometimes you die for that and sometimes you become a darth

@@casusbelli91 Zhorrid becoming a Darth was nepotism and she's most likely is a threat with her crazy self yet running into Wrath was just not gonna end in her favor.

in a way ':)

(Shev Palpatine voice)Ironic

Anakin you were like a brother to me

That's George Lucas in a nutshell.

@@melvinch: And yet we have Kennedy and Johnson at the helm, miss Lucas yet?

Zyron Yeah sometimes they don’t have any changes.

Yes it is impressive but I still wish there was more to give us a better illusion that our choices mattered more. I'm still very glad she is there though, I liked her.

More than enough. I'd rather they don't mess with 7-year-old decisions. I already lost Khem on one such case...

That's how a lot of choices in swtor are. They're worth a few dialogue changes at most

@@Easytoran SO sad you actually think one extra line is impressive, god I hope your being sarcastic.

a lot of time passed which makes it very interesting

It sure feels like 13 years have passed when I'm doing dailies lol

Meanwhile : Quinn still looks 30, kira and jaesa still look 20, your character still looks the same, satele shan at 80 or something finally looks liike what she would normally have looked at 60 at the beginning of the game when she looks 30.

Thanks! I was asking myself how many time takes each main quest and is really a lot of time

Damn, that means that (depending on Romance,) your Character’s S/O was looking for you for quite a while. That’s some real dedication right there.

Hopefully we get more backstory to what she did to herself. But she does look like the first generation of a Sith Pureblood-human hybrid.

I think she was a juvenile sith pure blood human mix whenever you meet her on korriban and once you meet her again it's been 7 years so her spikes grew.

I would love to have a character like her, human/ pureblood hybrid

Only took 7 years... :P

That's a reflex I constantly have each time I start a Sith character, I don't like being manipulated into doing the dirty job of others (Malora should have gone to the tomb herself, lazy bitch...).

Honestly is there any other way?

I get more invested in the story when I cause controversy like this haha

@@wargamesmaster thank the darkside of the force for you dark stranger. I feel the same way. I agree completely.

Same

I actually think this subversion makes sense for the Inquisitor storyline, which is about breaking paradigm that aliens and "low-born" creatures couldn't excel as Sith. For the Warrior, on the other hand, I think it makes a whole more lot of sense to stick with Renning like you said. As for the methods of Malora's ascension, well... Sith. They're not honest, and what she did is fairplay... unless they get caught. What makes no sense is that Malora is so forthright and honest about her intentions to a lousy acolyte. An actual Sith would use her standing (Malora outranked an Acolyte since she's already through her trials when you meet her) and demand the brains be brought to her instead, no questions asked.

I only did it so I could collect both rewards, I don’t really care about who’s in the right, makes more sense given that you’re a Sith as well

@@highonsugar6273 there's many ways you can look at it and have it look like a sith. Malora revealed to you a weaknes that you can take advantage of. either by eliminating her, or black mailing her for your own gain. or, from my perspective, viewing her ambitions as that of pursuing "fake" power. and me wanting to pursue true real power, would see her as a weak fool who doesn't deserve her station.

@@Drako2k0 You can also see it as fear of Lord Renning because your just an acolyte, you can also side with him because he’s a lord and can reward you better

@@kevray true, fear of Renning at first, but also being in his favor, as a higher ranked sith, has the ability to reward you better than a lowly no-name apprentice. You’re right.

Yeah, how can one go from a small, female Cathar to a large, male, Sith Pureblood? The power of the dark side is amazing indeed.

Exactly my thoughts!

Nah it would be the same like when fem trooper meets satele shan

I don’t get it.... what correlation is there between her and the female imperial agent?

@@benjaminbaird-kerr3500 They have the same voice actress, Jo Wyatt.

@@Stolpskott100 thats a call saying that they need new people to voice characters

what are you talking about? not the kindest to her?

@@jacebeleren113 not a fan of the spiky bits

oh i like malora she is hotter then ever now but you said those 7 years were not he kindest to her and I'm just wondering why they haven't i mean she gotten way better looking then for 7 years ago

@@jacebeleren113 Those mutations of her likely came from Lord Renning when he tortured her.

Keon Pinte That’s only for the bad choice.

Both attacks happens simultaneously according to the dialogues so while your imp char are in Korriban an Pub char is on Tython, so Renning dies defending Korriban from the Republic in all timelines and choices.

As soon as I saw this comment, I went to watch an old stream my mate did years ago when we did the flashpoint together where we did that quest and I actually say in the stream "Lord Renning? I'm sure I've heard his name before..." and now it's finally come full circle lol. Thanks for the pointer.

She literally never appeared for seven years of BW "storytelling". That's not detail, they're pulling old shit out of the ass to make their universe look continuous.

Wookipedia says 3630 BBY. So 13 years after being lvl 1 (3643 BBY) :O That means Jaesa is now 34 and Kira 33 years old. The class story is also supposed to be 2 years. Never occured to me.

@@Xerkrosis Yep, 2 years for class story, 4 for everything before KOTFE, 5 years being frozen in carbonite, and another 2 years fighting Zakuul and afterwards to now. I have to imagine that, generally speaking, the Sith/Jedi characters are around early to mid 20s at the start of the storyline, maybe mid to late. They done a lot of fighting since then. XP

@@tylerchurch1152 WHOA KIRA HAS NOT SEEN ME FOR 7 YEARS

@@familybossprimo Imagine my jedi knights reaction, if she'd return with a child less than 5 years old. :D

Xerkrosis it would be so cool if you could have a kid in this game. Maybe as a special dialogue option (they’d have to avoid being explicit) and only do it for Lana and Theron for male and female chars, respectively, that way the kids (one for Lana, one for Theron) can look the same (like Lana or Theron) and have the same name. Only problem I see is alien characters, who (most of them) couldn’t produce a human child. Maybe canonically it could be possible but the problem is they would have to animate a different character model for every hybrid. That would mean the child option is restricted to humans, cyborgs, and maybe a few others (a half-Rattataki or miraluka would still look human) which is unfair to non human characters. It’s never going to happen, but interesting to think about

Who wouldn't?

@@butitwasmedio yeah, I was going for full evil and didn't care about what she wanted.

Love the plural there, one time just isn't enough :D

You clearly don't have enough Sith characters

how ironic that this is around 7 years as well

@@floricel_112 It's been over a decade story-wise.

Damn time flies. I remember restarting my character because I dragged some abilities out of the quickbar (my first mmo lmao). Really want to pick it up again but think I lost the email I used

Wasn't the kotfe/whole frozen period like 10 years

Players were frozen in carbonite for 5 years. Now, if the numbers of Wookieepedia are to be believed (take it with a grain of salt), the game's prologue starts in 3643 BBY, while it's now supposedly 3630 BBY, meaning that this is *13* years later.

Voice and face, it would seem lol wonder if she spent years in a chrysalis too after Korriban

she is the swarm!

Kerrigan ❤️

Well she is playing with bugs...

and the customization options...

Be fucking better than a Khem Val romance...

@@fireblade295 HOW DARE YOU. KHEM VAL IS THE ULTIMATE ROMANCE

She scares me.

Lmao!

That’s whats I appreciates abouts youse.

we have all needed a halp at some point

@@erbgorre I'd say he needed a grammar teacher. "I need a halp"? Seriously?

I guess Darth Sidious set that rule in stone. You wanna be truly dark? Gotta look the part, too. The only exceptions to this seem to be Valkorion and Vaylin. Vaylin was a loose-ass evil cannon, but all that really changed for her were her eyes.

PolillaBenG To me it is very stupid. It reduces the sith to cartoon villains. Why are we evil just because. There’s no middle ground. My favorite Sith are those who are pragmatic and willing to use all aspects of the force for self advancements. For example Sith slavery makes no sense. They are in a society with robots. Why would you need slaves when robots are quicker more efficient and unlikely to complain. A slave would sabotage your operations if they could and they have no incentive to innovate. The only way it has some sort of rationalization is when there is prostitution like Star Wars has with Twileks. But they have robot sex dolls.Slavery is simply wasteful from a Sith’s perspective. Thanks to rebel hollowvid propaganda the Sith are seen as mustache twirling villains. There should be a Sith protagonists film or book series.

Even if current canon almost completely wipes the slate, there are plenty of Sith who aren't reduced to cartoon villains. Sidious was designed that way because George Lucas needed an obvious representation of evil/temptation to show that there was someone behind who we all thought was the main bad guy (Vader). But then you have Sith who take a more pragmatic approach to things. Darth Revan, Darth Malgus, Darth Bane, Darth Tyranus (Count Dooku), all of them weren't your average cookie-cutter Sith. Even Darth Vader mainly did his deeds out of self-shame, not always pure hatred. As for slaves, the Sith Empire believed in dominance over others they deemed inferior. That's why every Empire in Star Wars used slaves as a show of control over people who would oppose them. Plus, in this time period, there isn't as much of a reliance on droids since this is supposed to be 3000 years before the films.

For the Cartoon Villians thing, She was raised like Azula, minus the pampering for the Slaves thing, Sith THRIVE on misery and hate non Humans or Pureblooded Sith

What, are you saying I’m not pretty?

true

yes

Typical BioWare

Because romance is sensitive these days and not woke

I think it was to do with the fact of "Well what if I killed her in my play through?" How would the new charcter act in that role? What lines would they speak and how would the jouney change? I understand why but I think an off comment about her death leading a charge could of been a somewhat ok answer.

Thana was so arrogant she was funny, would be cool see her again

I'm assuming that given her masters obsession with darkside mutations he used her as a labrat for sith alchemy to test what he's learned.

We can't all grow an extra pair of toes.

@Ívarr hinn Beinlausi That's hot

Lol.

I've always found it extremely hard to believe the entire dark council was killed during the Zakkulian wars. It doesn't make sense that not a single member survived. They were all replaced by their apprentices, except for your two Sith characters obviously

hey!

yes

good luck

Is it done? xD

Yeah I felt the same :D

Oh the Kaggath is a thing, of course!

She got better

yes, same actress

She also voices the female Hawke in the Dragon Age 2 and Inquisition games. The main reason why I keep on going back to play those...

@@Stolpskott100 and imperial agent.

Bioware hasn't been great in years, da fuq r u smokin?

That loose canon? The Empire would be doomed.

yes

Quite creepy to see her face after 7 years....

if they hadn't reminded me that I had dealings with her and her master on Korriban I wouldn't have remembered as well

yep!