She essentially wanted to kill the force, I fully agree that she's the most fleshed out character in SW

Agreed! It's so sad we'll never get her in a movie. She would have gone down as not only one of the best Star Wars anatagonists, but one of the best antagonists of all time.

like a sith version of qui gon jinn

Kotor 2 did such a good job for how incredibly rushed it was. The story is the best in star wars imo. As well as the atmosphere of the game.

@@zacharycrater2588 Its the Fallout New Vegas of Star Wars games. Rushed, yet loved.

Better than the first?! No I’m actually curious because I’ve yet to play the second one, only played the first.

@@blootube97 if you play it, make sure to get the restored content mod. The game was released unfinished so it basically fixes the game and the story.

@@blootube97 Much better imo...

Yah i need a remake

@@blootube97 You should most definitely play the second! imo its even better than the first.

For me more interesting are characters that created those scrolls she read than Traya herself.

As long as Favreau and Filoni are in charge, fine by me.

We definitely need a Mandalorian Wars TV series taking place in the Old republic era for sure. Either that or we have the Old republic trilogy centering around the Mandalorian Wars and introducing us to Revan and Malak as the lead characters

With bri larson as.......revan /s

If the writers of the Mandalorian are on it, and provided they take more inspiration from the KOTOR games regarding Revan instead of the Novel or TOR, I could live with a series on that era. The only thing I'd be wary of is if they'd understand Kreia's character well enough to do her justice.

Josh Delaney, you’re not funny, I was kidding but ok 👌

You’re*

I find your lack of grammar disturbing

I thought I would get first comment because I got here seconds after it was posted but ended up third so I thought I’d make that my comment.

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Great quote

When I first heard that I felt almost...betrayed. Another successful betrayal of Darth Traya :)

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@Vinicius Raposo Both factions contradict what it means to be human.

*Kreia was still Arren Kae* hahaha

@@FamilyGuyRoks6 revan haven't worn a mask

Darth Keanu was a badass lord of the sith so cool and so epic he could use his swag to influence the midichlorians to give you the finger and then demand a call to his lawyer...

Darth Keanu the Vengeful is a Sith of focus, commitment and sheer will

@@quodterminosjustifyquodmed6616 Imagine if John wick was a sith lord.

Revolver Ocelot imagine implying he isnt already

@@thepurpleshade486 He ain't though? A sith strong in the force and with that much martial skill and luck would be too OP for star wars.

Wait what?

@@cameronprice4922 Halsey from Halo has done some really fucked up stuff, mainly the Spartan-II Program, but most of the time she is so well written that we overlook it (apart from the Kilo-Five Trilogy, but we don't like to talk about that). Also I'm pretty sure that the KZfaqr Halo Canon said "As a character, I love her but as a person, she is a monster."

@@Jedi_Spartan_38 I never thought Halsey was all that well written. Kind of interesting but predictable. Not like Kreia is interesting.

@@Jedi_Spartan_38 Ah yes dr halsey, brilliant scientist, pretty much humanities saviour and well written character.

She sounds insane and terrifying, but she simultaneously kinda makes sense sometimes...which is what makes her so terrifying

@@BlargeMan I think her plan to detach everyone form force would be peaceful for SW Universe. No more Jedi and Sith BS and Galaxy can live in peace

Chill that's Meetra Surik, then Traya

@@AmirianoAvenicci Surik is just someone who is easy to fill in by the player playing the game. I don't see how that's more interesting than the only character in the franchise that basically turns the whole story on its head. The backstory of Meetra is pretty cool in itself but ultimately she just ends up being a tool in a larger story. And SWTOR really ruined her and Revan...

Mara Jade wasn't in this video... 😕

@@MrEdweird MrEdweird true, in terms of sheer manipulation Traya is the GOAT. But to defeat Nihilus, Sion and Traya, Meetra needs some respect.

@@AmirianoAvenicci Defeating the big baddies are a given with any game that throws you into the "Chosen One" role. Traya is a whole different beast. She tosses facts, logic and she challenges the entirety of Star Wars itself. That's something no other character has done before or since. Watch the youtube video "The Philosophy of Kreia". Trust me, if a fictional character can have you question your own reality in real life. That's a monster incomparable to Meetra, Revan or whoever else.

wE hAVe nO SOurCe mATeriAl - Kathleen Kennedy What a cruel, pathological liar, bitch...

Kennedy is so fcking annoying

Ryan Espinoza I took that differently than you did. I’m pretty sure he was saying that they took this and used it as an inspiration for reylo.

@@iamhector24 Yes but he said from Reylo not for Reylo. Im sure it was a misspeak from his script but it does mean the opposite

DaHTrain 24 its the way he says it. like the other person said.

Kristophe Ramdeen lol me:(sends pic)you mean these both dead

Kristophe Ramdeen not really funny tbh

@@prujckn2586 at least 73 people disagree with you

@@josephleece682 then those 73 people have a bad sense of humour

Offer her to join you in ruling the galaxy

Canon doesn't matter much to me, I stopped watching Disney star wars after seeing The last Jedi. Over all, I think legends is better

Who cares what Disney says it's still Canon Disney can fuck off.

It is canon..it exist. Disney can blow it..

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@@ReaZeqaj Ok folks, but originally Kreia isn't from any novel, she was the main boss of Kotor 2. Kotor 1 and 2 difference is that in the first game the plot twist is amazing, while the second doesn't have a direct connection the only characters present in both games are Canderous and the droids, theres no big plot twist, but my good, what an amazing journey it was. So yeah, if folks want to know more about Kreia, and this characters, my suggestion is play the games, they are a bit outdated in terms of graphics and mechanics but the story is still worthy.

i think that's already well explained in "the kreia video" and there isn't much to add.

Ubeogesh It isn’t really touched on at all.

She has a utterly fucking lazy EXCUSE she uses lol aka Traya: Ohh I hate Fate...and Balance...Lucas is a fool for adding it as it makes the Force a pendulum (infantile simplification of the divine) vs The Divine. (Granting: Avellone is mocking the PTs "balance" lore the entire time. As it well...look around...it doesnt sell lol.) Exile: You've admitted you've been dead in your mind and soul since...hell since our first time on the ebon hawk...stop pretending... Traya: YOU WILL FIGHT! Exile: Yes: (Mind Tricks one of Traya's sabers): two flurries: two flurries: two flurries: so yeah that's over... Traya: I love you...and want to die... Exile: I know...so just do it. Traya: (does it) Real reason if you're paying attention kids: she wants to die: and if her "teachings" (you) cant "prove to her they're worth a fuck" (you beating her) she'll take 95% of the galaxy into death: WITH HER. Hell the WHOLE reason on a darkside play through she even JUSTIFIES STAYING IS SAYING IF YOU LEAVE ME ILL KILL MYSELF.

@@benjaminkeith1417 Exactly, Kreia is just a pissed off manipulative old bitch. Pretty much like any female politician over 60

@@benjaminkeith1417 she hate it as it seems to make everyone minus the wounds in the force to have there history set astone as it seems to have a will on its own for example is anakin being the chosen one to balance the force kill most of the jedi in order 66 a a prophecy by the force it is like a god that can meddle in your life changing it no matter what you do you cannot prevent it she hates it and anybody who is like her will certainly would and she has a desire to destroy the force even the galaxy with it and she loved the exiled and even nihilus before he turned into a ghost due to them being the one that the force cannot control a wildcard in a master plan she loves it due to her wanting to see the force being denied on what it wants

What happened to her?

@@allusive2903 Ask Bob Iger

She was close in her own right but if she knew what the The Force really was she'd have had the biggest guilt trip ever...

I wouldn't say the greatest but she's definitely one of the wisest.

"one who got closer than anyone to the truth about the force" That Lucas adding the concept of Balance in the PT: would slowly kill the IP and force its sale... And she and via proxy Chris Avellone...was right.

Then I have a great video recommendation for you: The Philosophy of Kreia: A Critical Examination of Star Wars

Another very good video to watch (this one shorter) would be this one: Why KOTOR 2 is Star Wars Criticism Done Well

There's also the "Kreia's Conundrums" series of videos that are very interesting in how they explore aspects of her beliefs.

@@dreadrath Oh, I didn't know those. I just watched the first one, and onto the others! They're great!

MG16NCP dude chill.

@MG16NCP Honestly, you should take a chill pill dude, honestly.

Why do you guys put so much emphasis on gender? Why cant she just be a good character? It just seems really weird given her gender doesnt determine whether the writing is good or bad.

@@blindeagleace3629 Because Rey is hot garbage when it comes to writing and character development.

@@XxSgtSkittlesxX Okay. But so many other characters have bad writing and no character development. Male or Female. But whenever it's a bad written female character then you guys go out of your way to mention her gender. Why? If it's a bad written character. Then it's a bad written character. Why so much emphasis on gender?

BlindEagle Ace Bc all of the females in the last Jedi were written shitty

@@blindeagleace3629 Because Rey was a bad character because they put too much emphasis on gender. How dare could a women not succeed.

I've replayed KOTOR 2 a couple times, once recently a couple years ago. KOTOR 1 is pretty cut and dry, once you find out the twist and beat it, I've never really had a desire to play it again. It's definitely an amazing game, but there is SO MUCH material in KOTOR 2 that is deep and dark. I could listen to Kreia's monologues over and over. It has a lot more substance than the first game, even though the ending isn't as satisfying at KOTOR 1.

Fallen Order's story and characterization is as shallow as a kiddy pool compared to KOTOR 1 and 2. That's not to say it's *bad*, but Cal Kestis has nothing on Revan or Meetra Surik. Not nearly enough effort was put into him.

Hello There. Nice videos by the way.

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true, however the Kreia / Treya char was originally from the game KOTOR 2 not a novel.

Exactly the video I watched a few days ago

Yes! Its such an excellent video.

Then you would be greatly disappointed because her sole purpose was to destroy the force.

I respect your opinion but in my opinion rogue one sucks heres why as a ten year seeing it for the first time I didnt like the fact the all the characters were unknown and all died anyways it was an interesting story the darth vader scene made me have a better admiration for him but I thought the force awakens was good but tlj was a train wreck have a nice day

@@SullivanSummers I of course do respect your reply. Everyone is different.

@@samuelnicholls1811 thank you

@@samuelnicholls1811 don't get me wrong rogue one is good but people always were saying it was the best starwars movie and that made me kinda mad