Important clarification about the sword logic perk: ANY kill will keep your current stack level. Killing a yellow bar gives you x3, and any red bar kill will keep x3 up as long as that timer never hits zero. One good kill can give a lot of mileage.

Just FYI for anyone looking to use Sword Logic in Crucible, it’s damage value is different than in PvE. It’s a 20% damage buff instead of a 25% damage buff, and you’ll get tier 3 Sword Logic for killing a guardian in their super, which is a 30% damage buff in the crucible.

The shotgun + origin trait combined with the new banner of war builds immediately stood out to me as a natural combo.

Word of Crota with Repulsor Brace + Destabilizing Rounds is SO MUCH FUN. Being able to consistently maintain an overshield WITHOUT being on a Void subclass is absolutely baller. Ran it in Maze & Bridge as Solar Titan and had a blast

Personally the only thing I think you missed was demo + swash on the pulse. A melee kill gives you the origin trait and x5 swash then you could easily get a bunch of kills to get more grenade energy.

hear the "this was fun" at the end was a fantastic thing. This raid has brought more enjoyment than I would of thought to the Destiny community.

Fun fact: amplified doesn’t give you reload speed unless you have the aspect flow state on hunter. Love the coverage of weapons and glad they all kinda bangers cause i love the origin trait

Abyss Defiant and Age old bond are my 2 exceptions for 360rpms. They have absolutely juiced perk pools and utility. My roll for Abyss is arrowhead, flared, heal clip, incandescent, stability mw, pair it up with radiant and slap on some surges and shred from a distance

I think the best part about bait n' switch on an MG vs. something like a rocket is that all you need to get the buff is one bullet. After that first shot, the rest of the potentially 200 round deep magazine is buffed, unlike a rocket or linear where you'll probably have reload at some point within the buff's duration.

Fun note about word of crota, put mesoplaegic from last season on it and it'll turn the hive on it into sapphire dragon scales.

Great video, Datto! I have one teeny tiny editing/production feedback note. I am red/green colorblind and in the video when listing all the perks on screen, I can't tell the difference between the green words and the (I think) gold words. e.g., at 2:49 "Precision Instr." and "Golden Tricorn" look like the same color unless I get right up to my screen and squint.

Papa Datto’s got some new tools to play with

I got my first Abyss Defiant drop the other day with Heal Clip and Sword Logic and it makes for a great ad clear support weapon for my solar Warlock build i usually run in high end PvE stuff. Definitely looking forward to Sword Logic on more guns. Also Swordbreaker with Demo/Barrel Constrictor is surprisingly fun with Weaver’s Trance. Consume the nade, get a kill, kill some suspended dinguses, get your nade back, repeat.

Destabilizing rounds and Repulsor brace on Word of Crota paired with Gyrfalcon is my favourite go-to as of right now, It's insanely fun watching everything explode into pop rocks and constantly being gifted an overshield just for shooting the bad guys, HIGHLY recommend trying it out it's insanely fun

If you played D1 and remember Grasp of Malok, allow me to introduce you to its twin brother oversoul edict.

Something to mention when it comes to Abyss Defiant for PvP, being a massive fan of Age Old Bond I def recommend people give high impact autos a try, and even though they weren’t highlighted, a perk combo of Zen + Eye of the Storm is godly

Never thought wed see the day datto suggests headseeker on a gun. The game has come full circle

Abyss defiant is crazy with incandescent and the cursed thrall explosion

Cursed Thrall would be so much fun on my Knife go Boom build since I get the melee refresh with a knife kill. Hopefully it can count for the explosion as well and not just the base melee hit

Just a note for anyone wanting fang, golden tricorn on strand warlock prove BOTH the ability kill and weapon kill when you have weavers trance active, it’s pretty much a free 50% damage bonus and all you have to do is eat your nade

Datto didn’t mention this, but a kill on a hive guardian procs Sword Logic x4 as well as bosses. So in GMs like Lightblade, Sword Logic might be really good as there are plenty of Lucent Hive to go around.

Destabilizing Rounds is also on Targeted Redaction from season 21.

Abyss Defiant in PvP can get a faster TTK with Target lock if you can hit all your shots. Certainly a roll to look out for if you want a good PvP auto since we’re heading straight into an Auto Rifle meta

My first roll of Word of Crota was Hammer-Forged, Accurized, Repulsor Brace, Adrenaline Junkie, and a range MW. first 180 ive enjoyed using in a LOOOOONG time

I woke up from my nap because Datto uploaded

Precision Instrument on Word of Crota seems like the play for Lucky Pants Hunters

Reconstruction and Bait and Switch on the machine gun has been pretty fun.

Shotgun might be a nice fit on solar hunter. Looking forward to using all of these weapons to some extent

I was able to get a Song or Ir Yut MG with Bait & Switch and Rewind Rounds and I honestly really like it.

THIS lightweight shotty will likely be best in class due to its INSANE stats, it can hit 100 range without opening and it has possible the one perk to make up for the lightweight spread: Barrel Constrictor. Lightweights may not be meta in PvP but that shotty is definitely strong as fug Edit: 180s in PvE are actually pretty spicy right now and Word of Crota is probably top of that list, they don't do much less than the other frames and they always have vertical recoil, ik they arent popular but if you even slightly like 180s this is a MONSTER

Got a recon, target lock song of or yut as my very first drop of the raid and I haven’t put it away yet. It’s so good

Been running a Abyss Defiant with Subsistence and Incandescent with my Bonk hammer build. It might fully replace my mini tool once I get it crafted

Another banger weapon vid 👍

Got a Rewind/Target Lock Song of Ir Yut and it feels fantastic. Still looking for Reconstruction/Bait.

I got a Word of Crota with Dragonfly + Destabilizing Rounds, and by god it's some of the most fun I've had with a Hand Cannon in a while

Fang actually goes crazy on strand hunter or warlock because of their long range melees. Before an engagement I just melee a trash mob from far away then I get to plink plonk away at medium to long range with great ad clear capabilities. I’d be surprised if hatchling’s threadling kills trigger cursed thrall too

I crafted song of ir yut already. Got 3 reds to drop than 2 more and used my harmonics. I like how you said its up to u instead of me telling you what to put. Its all about playstyle. I went with recon and target. I thought about BnS but it doesnt fit my play style. I pull it out on big groups of minors and they dont need a damage perk to kill. Than i can kill a champ with no prerequisites i just gotta stay on shot and get extra damage. Than it still usefull on a boss. Not the best damage but still has a damage modify on it. So best of all world's for me.

You can get destabilizing rounds on The Heroes Burden Iron Banner smg, tho it isn’t craftable

Finally, the rolls I have to chase and the reason I chase them **I'm an independent thinker**

Datto I ran into you in this video it was nice running with you I'm glad you didn't use any embarrassing footage😂

I’ve actually been loving abyss defiant in pve kill clip + heal clip is lots of fun always healing and always slaying

I’m loving word of crota with dragonfly sword logic

i need to do this raid so badly

When I got Song of Ir Yut to drop on my first Crota’s End run with Recon and Bait and Switch, I knew this Gun was going to be highly sought after

Datto: “the other weapons were not thy memorable.” Me: *laughs in Hunger of Crota

These weapons are perfect for healer builds since healers are best in add clear because add clear generally stays in one spot and has others running past them. Cursed thrall does a lot to make up for the fact that full time healers have had to give up their grenades ever since the Solar 3.0 rework, and running boots of the assembler with ember of benevolence gets you back a celestial fire melee really quickly. Also the shotgun is the best pve shotgun hands down because of cursed thrall. Tears groups of enemies apart like nothing

Song of ir yut makes my deathsinger sing

@1:52 that Phalanx is the type of shit that makes me yell at the tv, “I BEG YOUR PARDON”

I actually jumped for joy when I heard the lmg was gonna be an adaptive

I'm gunning to craft word of crota, it feels great for a 180

I liked the rocket, getting 3 in the tube was great

hey real quick can we talk about the gameplay at 1:52? I don't think I've ever seen that in my life.

Holy shit dragonfly on the hand cannon...combine that with the origin trait for many big boom

great vid

I wonder if we’ll ever get a perk called Bomb Logic that gets stronger with team work in some way?

I crafted the hc and mg. Next is the pulse for pvp - it shredddddss...

I’ve been waiting for this video 😂

Pugilist and Incandescent on Abyss Defiant tho It feels like all these perk choices aren't made with the origin trait in mind

I mean I got a Killing Wind/Rampage Word of Crota. Pretty Solid hand cannon.

God I am so glad that word of crota is so cool. Finally a gun to fit in my void build and it even might be a good void counterpart to my beloved Trust or Prosperity

I have not touched Crotas end in d2 yet. But it’s good to know the weapons have godrolls. The weapons auto rifle, sniper, and rocket launcher were the best imo back in d1

When I saw the perks and rpm of song, I immediately went to my clan chat and we all spent about 15 minutes celebrating a good arc machine gun :p it’s been *such* a long time coming, very excited to bring it into GMs and master raids

imagine if Sword Logic in scaled in PVP based on how high the guardian you killed was on the scoreboard

Does the Cursed Thrall explosion proc shoot to loot?

Also heal clip sword logic went crazy in pvp

Swordbreaker has to be BIS for strand titan banner build. Procs monochromatic + enhanced 1/2 punch and they are the best feeling shotguns in PvE.

I still want Bungie to clarify if we will be able to enhance the adept weapons if/when they come out. I was just going to look at the adept weapons in the database or in collections to see if they had the enhancement mod slot, but joke's on me, they aren't even in there. Also, lightweight shotguns did get their much-needed pellet spread buff recently. This shotgun is almost certainly the new best in slot for top slot lightweights, although that slot will continue to be dominated by Conditional Finality until Antaeus Wards get get nerfed into oblivion.

Sword logic goes hard with the Word of crota in PVP

Cursed thrall should synergize well with titan hammer kills and hunter caliban's hand melee kills

song of ir Yut is the first thing i'm crafting. DSC one is amazing and i almost use it in every activity having an arc one is good for my arc build ionic traces and all and the trait on crota weapons are disgusting for add clear and it fits a machine gun so well.

If only one of these had vorpal with sword logic. That would be a Mayhem nightmare considering you get x4 on kills from Super'd guardians

Void auto from vanguard positive outlook also has destabilizing rounds

Datto enjoying a weapon review video? Damn they must actually be good this time

The hand cannon is the GOAT.

Abyss Defiant’s best roll is Pugilist and Incandescent. It’s just a better Monte Carlo cause it can have crazy good ad clear, provide a similar if only a smidge weaker melee benefit, and can allow for an exotic to be used in either of the other slots like conditional finality or lament, both of which would let you stack solar surges to make up the damage difference per bullet against red bars. Don’t sleep on Pugilist + Incandescent, it tears

Have word of crota with subsistence and sword logic. As a hunter, use lucky pants.

I got stupid lucky and got all 5 deep sights for song of ir yut, and enhanced BnS absolutely slaps at Master lost sectors,and as a side note recon/BnS put up very close numbers to Rerrofit on Nez ( my raid team does Div/Retrofit for damage on close bosses)

Someone needs to try song of irut on Ghalron because I’m 90% sure that each of the shadows of ghalron count as a boss which would make that encounter a cake walk.

They forgot the missle laucher and im sad they jumped over the black hanmer again, id love if they gave it another perk to replace black hammers perk like lucky round or anti barrier against hive

While Abyss is a 360. I crafted mine with Incandescent and Pugilist. Combined with my Sunbracer build, it's loads of fun. Basically infinite uptime on Snap and Cursed Thrall Explosion overlaps with Incandescent. Everything dies.

Rewind + cascade is wild with actium warrig, shit literally goes brrrrr

LUCKY PANTS AND PRECISION INSTRUMENT!

Opinion obtained. Thank you

Finally a good arc machine gun

About Lightweight shotties in PVP, Riiswalker and CQC-12 are both still very good IMHO. I don't have any God roll Precisions, and both of these do great. My Riis has 85 range and my CQC has 70. Also, I was just in a lobby with a guy running Without Remorse, and he was doing great.

Word of crota looks so wonk with new sights and recoil pattern

6:41 better tell cheese forever bout this one

Play sleeping on hatchling on that shotgun I love it

Can u craft these weapons then??

Look at all these great weapons I will never get!

I’m so tempted to use Harmonizers to craft Song of Ir Yut right now, it’s definitely a waste but I really want that gun

Bro had no idea how good heal clip incan was about to be on that auto rifle😂

The Crota Rocket launcher was the ghetto Ghorn. I had it and I was barely considered good enough to raid with even though I had all the raid armour ornaments.

Idk if im colorblind or what, but i cant tell the difference between orange and yellow bar enemies 😢.. i thought youtubers all were referring to the same enemy

Abyss Defiant was the first piece of raid loot I ever got in destiny, and I am so happy it is such a banger now since it hold such a spot in my heart.

@0:13 They were ways to get elemental damage on a primary, no?

Late but abyss defiant is phenomenal in PvP with zen moment and a damage perk. I’d say it’s better than ammit after the precision frame range change and the ammit zoom nerf.

People used to talk shit about Crota's End in D1, but it had one of the best selection of guns from a raid, one of the best looking armour, a decent exotic...and Glowhoo...

I have seen alot of hype around cursed thrall, and while its a fun perk it's situational imo. First off the damage is not very great when in higher tiers of content. 2nd you need to get a melee kill. this can be uncharge aswell as charged this is good. if the only way for you to active cursed thrall is uncharged you are better off using another gun that fits better into your build. Then we have charged melee, this makes it way easier to have good uptime, however you need a good melee. i would say all strand, solar hunter, all stasis, void titan, arc titan maybe would be the most compelling options. Some might argue that arc hunter has great melee builds, and they do, but do you really wanna stop the melee chain to shoot your gun so that you can get explotions? I would not. so all builds that just wanna focus on melee is not that viable. there is also competion from other builds, you can make fun builds thats not 100% optimal but then i don't feel like you can at the same time hype up cursed thrall as something good, when it's just some free damage in fun builds. This is just my opinion, feel free to use whatever you want

I was hoping swordbreaker shotgun was an arc. We dont have any arc craftable shotguns.